Comments for Hot Mormon Muffins?! at http://www.bust.com , comment 1 to 14 out of 14 comments http://www.bust.com Sun, 12 Feb 2012 14:27:48 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11236 I just wish organized religions would wise up and wake up in the 21st Century and start realizing that women need to able to control their reproductive systems and their lives - Toongrrl Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:11:49 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11216 Is it a spoof? I can't decide. But the merchandise, particularly the stickers remind me of the stuff you can buy on on bettybowers.com - Jane Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:04:43 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11215 I think the women have a right to express themselves. Every woman wants to feel beautiful and sexy. Maybe this was there way. Also, I think it shows a good sense of humor for the women, who stereotypically might not be seen that way because of their religion. http://www.newsy.com/videos/calendar_puts_mormons_in_hot_water - Stephanie Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:43:35 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11214 Adela - there are Mormon women who model and do not wear garments during shoots or shows, and as far as I know this is considered okay for them. BYU ballroom dance team doesn't wear garments during shows either. I'm not sure why everyone thinks it's feminist to speak on behalf of other people... - Eva Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:48:00 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11213 For some actual Mormon opinions on the Hot Mormon Muffins Calendar: http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.php/discussions/viewthread/12794/ If you want to hear more about what actual Postmormons (and also links to Mormon writings) are saying about any of these calendars, Chad Hardy, and so on, just do a search on the above website. It's pretty easy to go directly to the source in this case and not wonder about motives and so on. Or to hear from Chad himself: http://www.chadhardy.com/links.html I linked to his links page because he's obviously okay with members visiting sites such a Postmormon, even though reading things at are "not faith promoting" is *very strongly* discouraged and sometimes forbidden. He also was against Prop 8, which is committing apostasy since the church took a formal stance in support of it. And yes, he is definitely familiar with church doctrine, beliefs, culture, and so on, as he has served a mission himself. I don't know these people personally, I'm just trying to point out that this isn't a very big mystery if one does some minimal research. I also wonder how feminist it is to assume things about someone's identity, such as "these women must..." and "the author must not know..." and so on. If there's one thing I believe, it's everyone's right to their individual experience. - Eva Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:44:55 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11212 As a former Mormon myself, I absolutely agree with El - this completely goes against the modesty standards of the Mormon church. If these women were married in the Church, then they wear garments. I'm here to tell you - there's no way to pin garments so they wouldn't show in these pictures. That means they took them off for the shoot. Um, that's pretty bad, in LDS terms. I also wonder about the idea of each woman discussing her "muffin" recipe...either these women have no idea what the term "muffin" is slang for (hard to believe), or they are knowingly allowing men to use their recipes to discuss them sexually in a revoltingly coy sort of way. Either way, it's problematic. - Adela Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:38:17 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11211 Anyone can do what they want, but don't use the excuse of vintage to bear your bod. My grandmother was a welder during WWII at the Charlestown Navy Yard and was voted "Pin-Up Girl of the Plate Field" by her male & female co-workers, and in huge chalk letters on the side of a ship. And, she was wearing 'vintage' clothing. Blue denim overalls, a long sleeve button up shirt and her entire head of hair was in a hankercheif. Her competition were the ladies in the office, who all wore skirts, dresses and high-heels. Be a Mormon, bake your muffins, pose un-modestly, but don't use fashion or a bygone era as an excuse or a justification. Just do it and say you did it because you WANTED to. - Jennifer Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:33:28 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11210 I think you're missing the point - if you look at the other things for sale on the site, it is all *certainly* in jest and made in satire. El, Mormon women are allowed to have a single piercing in each year, unless that changed in the last few years since I've no longer been a Mormon. I even know a couple devout Mormon women who wear two-piece swimsuits (cognitive dissonance?), so even though it's not allowed I don't think you can claim that anyone who does something isn't devout. It's also true that the makers *are* familiar with Mormonism. I don't think they are trying to represent the Mormon church accurately; that's not their point. A creator was excommunicated and even had his BYU degree revoked over this last year - if you attend BYU, you must take religion classes (and pass!) and attend church regularly to graduate, not to mention you live around Mormons. Anyone who would produce a second shirtless missionary calendar after being excommunicated for the first is clearly not supporting trying to represent Mormons well or be faithful because if anything is absolutely not allowed, it's disobeying your leaders, *especially* if they have disciplined you. This is considered serious sinning. Also, it's clear from the vocabulary use, taken from church teachings, that they're mocking these sacred terms as well. - Eva Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:21:19 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11209 These women can't be actual devout Mormons. As I former Mormon, I can tell you that the church has very strict modesty standards. Women are not allowed to wear sleeveless shirts, 2-piece swimsuits, or any shorts or skirts above the knee. They're not even allowed to get their ears pierced. This has to be made to mock Mormons, and made by someone who doesn't know or isn't familiar with the tenets of MOrmanisn. - El Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:22:44 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11208 I think that he was excommunicated because he released that first Men on a Mission calendar and wouldn't stop the production of subsequent calendars. While I don't feel qualified to state whether he is mocking the mormon church or not, as I don't know the guy, but he doesnt seem to have any animosity towards the faith, just to the church's stance on certain issues. - jmkick Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:00:22 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11207 OK, isn't this supposed to be funny? I went to the site that sells these calendars http://mormonsexposed.com/ and I believe these folks are mocking the LDS church. At the bottom of the page it states that they are not affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The man who started the calendar, Chad Hardy, claims he did it to raise awareness and acceptance of differences in culture and religion. However, since he was excommunicated from the church and had his degree from Mormon-owned Brigham Young University revoked, I tend to think he may have a bit of animosity towards the church. Don't you? - VB Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:25:11 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11206 I'm not sure what the point is! - Molly Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:15:56 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11205 check out the site.... do you think these products really aim to spread the message? Seems to me the calendars et al are satire... - Cindy Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:14:06 +0100 http://www.bust.com/blog/2009/10/28/hot-mormon-muffins.html#comment-11204 I'm all for these ladies doing what they want, but I find it disturbing that the calendar goes against what every mormon woman that I've known talks about: Modesty. I agree with nicole, as I'm not convinced that a few women posing in kitchy vintage wear making baked goods symbolizes a tidal change for the religion. I also don't think that they need to justify their beliefs or try to be more 'hip' as a religious group. Are they trying to convert people by showing another side? We already know that in this religion being a mother is of top importance. Which is fine, I just don't need to know that these mothers can be sexy. Of course they can.I also don't care that they can bake muffins while looking sexy. Of course they can. - Molly Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:02:57 +0100