[neurotic.nelly]

I always liked her voice, but I never liked her body—boobs or no boobs. I'm just glad she's at least out of that "big-hair, Mardi Gras-mask makeup" phase. In the Moulin Rouge video, she looked like a bowlegged mop head.

(And speaking of Moulin Rouge, P!nk looked totally HOT in that video. Hold me back. Now.

that's so awesome, "Hold me back. Now!" I love it!

women of all shapes and sizes are living goddesses! that is all.

[karategrrl]

I remember that too Vendetta. That's back when I liked her. She has a voice, but I just do. not. respect. the spectacle that she is now.

I always liked her voice, but I never liked her body—boobs or no boobs. I'm just glad she's at least out of that "big-hair, Mardi Gras-mask makeup" phase. In the Moulin Rouge video, she looked like a bowlegged mop head.

(And speaking of Moulin Rouge, P!nk looked totally HOT in that video. Hold me back. Now.

[neurotic.nelly]

I remember that too Vendetta. That's back when I liked her. She has a voice, but I just do. not. respect. the spectacle that she is now.

[Vendetta]

They may be even bigger now that she's breastfeeding but when she appeared she didn't have all that, she was like a B cup.

[neurotic.nelly]

no lapis, i am not sure. i recall noticing a sizable difference in her breasts before she got pregnant. but i am not 100%. either way, i feel the same way about her, and this is how i feel about breasts in general, just because they are large does not mean they are in charge (ya know, =P).

[lapis]

Are you sure she's had implants? As a formerly small-boobied bustie who's breast feeding (and who will likely return to this thread upon weaning), I totally believe she could be wearing her own goods. Breast feeding has been like months of having impressive implants...

She's at it again, her whole look is trashy, but the breast implants take it over the top, don't ya think?...but she bought em', so she's flaunting em'. I am not mad at her, just mesmerized by the mess.

[Vendetta]

argh I hate Christina's breasts... they look so veined and unproportioned to her... José Fidalgo is a good actor and one of the oh-my-God-of-the-girls around here eheheh

[crinoline]

yeah, that's him. He's HOTT!! I just heard of him for the first time the other day.

[neurotic.nelly]

She's at it again, her whole look is trashy, but the breast implants take it over the top, don't ya think?...but she bought em', so she's flaunting em'. I am not mad at her, just mesmerized by the mess.

[Vendetta]

I know a José Fidalgo but he's an actor. Is it him? He's cute. I've never ordered anything from the internet, usually they don't ship to Portugal or I'm afraid to buy it if I haven't tried it on. And I don't have a credit card or intend to. I have to try to order something someday as it may be my only chance but it's frustrating to order bras from the internet not knowing how's it gonna look like on me.

[karategrrl]

Karate- Here is the book. I don't have the DVD, though (wish I did).

Thanks!

[crinoline]

V- how about something like this ? It's cute, and not a bad price. And if you live in Portugal, do you know who Jose Fidalgo is?

Karate- Here is the book. I don't have the DVD, though (wish I did).

[Vendetta]

I bought one of those non-underwired bras once at Women's Secret and I hate to see myself in it. I look totally flat and when I move my nipples show because there's a lot of space between them and the bra. Argh. Those are size 1 too and I gave up from them.

[karategrrl]

- I agree that there are some women who are perfectly mentally and emotionally secure who still undergo implant surgery because of professional or other reasons. But a woman who feels she needs breast implants to feel "complete" is not one of those women.

Crinoline, I stumbled over that comment, too, but I wasn't going to say anything!

Karategrrl- that father's attitude is horrifying, I hope that his daughter grows up strong enough to overcome such macho negativity.

I thought so, too. I wonder what became of that. That was many years ago, and I know the girl must be past her teens now.

I am going to look for that massage book. Thanks!

[crinoline]

Sometimes there's really no need to over analyze people. Sometimes a person who wants breast implants just... wants some breast. Sometimes people don't have underlying problems like past traumas or a history of self-hate or something. Sometimes there's people who are mentally healthy, educated and caring and just want to feel complete.

I don't know why they only sell B cup and up on Intimissimi. Well, they only sell B cup and up at very store around here. I've only found an A cup at DIM once, and it was too big since I'm an AA cup. There are no A and AA cups in Portugal, at all.

- I agree that there are some women who are perfectly mentally and emotionally secure who still undergo implant surgery because of professional or other reasons. But a woman who feels she needs breast implants to feel "complete" is not one of those women. I'm not saying there is necessarily a history of trauma, but there is a vital level of self-love and self-worth that is missing, if someone feels incomplete as they are naturally.
I'm not making judgments, I just know that the brain is a very powerful organ, and once someone has examined their feeling of incompleteness (preferably with professional assistance) these negative feelings can be overcome without invasive and dangerous surgery.

I believe that natural breasts are inherently perfect and beautiful, no matter how small. I recently got a massage book (gordon inkeles sensual massage for couples) and there are many nude photos of people giving and receiving massage, showing breasts of all shapes and sizes. One of these women has breasts so small that they are almost nipple buds. And she is sexy, womanly, and gorgeous. She actually made me feel that I have too much breast tissue, because she was so elegant and beautiful (not a feeling I'm used to having, lol).

The size 1 bras i got at Intimissimi were equivalent to a 32 A, the sizing is very different from American lingerie, a 32 A at victorias secret is often too big for me. I think the unlined, wire free bras could fit a AA, but you'd have to try them on to know for sure.

Karategrrl- that father's attitude is horrifying, I hope that his daughter grows up strong enough to overcome such macho negativity.

(((more love for Busties of all shapes and sizes)))

[karategrrl]

I forgot to mention, the June issue of the Oprah mag is all about beauty and body image (big close-up of Oprah's face on the cover). I've only read a few articles as yet, but so far it looks like they're tackling a lot of the things we talk about here. Interesting reading.

[karategrrl]

As for implants, I agree with your reasons, stronggirl, but I would add that it is very likely a daughter of mine would be built the same, and I would not want to have her feel that she is in any way less. I think that if I got implants, it would send the message that I wasn't good enough before, and thus she is not good enough. It would set a bad example, and be damaging psychologically.

I do agree. I once worked for a man who bought his wife implants. She was very, very small before them. He had a daughter who at the time was about 8. I asked him how they were going to explain to the girl, when she went through puberty and grew small breasts, why she had small breasts while mom had large ones. He said that implants would be an option for her, too. He was so matter-of-fact about it.

When he was in his testosterone, chest-pounding mood and talking to other guys we worked with, he would talk about how "perfect" his wife's new breasts were, but when he was in a frustrated mood (they had some relationship issues), he would tell me how he loved her "old" breasts and talk about removing them, and how they couldn't hug as close anymore. ...Not to mention he was constantly trying to get in my pants, with my A-cup breasts and all. Quite an interesting scenario, as I remember....egads.

[Vendetta]

Sometimes there's really no need to over analyze people. Sometimes a person who wants breast implants just... wants some breast. Sometimes people don't have underlying problems like past traumas or a history of self-hate or something. Sometimes there's people who are mentally healthy, educated and caring and just want to feel complete.

I don't know why they only sell B cup and up on Intimissimi. Well, they only sell B cup and up at very store around here. I've only found an A cup at DIM once, and it was too big since I'm an AA cup. There are no A and AA cups in Portugal, at all.

[neurotic.nelly]

I was just looking at Angelina Jolie's photos, she's pregnant with twins n' all. Her breasts look great, she looks classy etc. I got to thinking about how Christina Aguilera's breasts looked in a close up picture - it was in techni-color, mind you. She has breast implants, right? In the picture, she was flaunting those implants even though it wasn't at all attractive IMO, they looked painfully swollen and veiny ( I have a thing about veins, no offense to anyone ). But, that's what you do, once you've bought and paid for them, you flaunt them, even if they look...terrible.

Lately, since reading here, I feel like an in-betweeny. I am a large A cup/ small B, so I have some breast tissue but not enough for an impress people with my cleavage. Its like I have the hint of cleavage, but I could never give my boy a tittie fuck.

I also feel that it is really important to surround yourself with positive images of women who look like you do, it boosts the self-esteem. Awhile back, I took a cartoony drawing of an Indian girl sitting in meditation with a-symmetrical small in-betweeny breasts like mine, and I posted it on my journal. It was really pretty.

[crinoline]

OT - DJ, thank you thank you for the tip about Intimissimi bras!! I went to victorias secret (yes, evil, I know) and they had a whole bin of size 1s on sale! I got a whole new bra wardrobe in pink, ivory, white, black, and blue. They are all lightly lined, so no show through, but no padding either, and half of them are pretty and lacey. The feature I was most impressed with, is that the band is completely adjustable, like a strap! This is great for me, because I need a 30 band, which is impossible to find. So now I have delicate, grown-up lingerie, and I can throw out my carebear print preteen bras! hooray!!

As for implants, I agree with your reasons, stronggirl, but I would add that it is very likely a daughter of mine would be built the same, and I would not want to have her feel that she is in any way less. I think that if I got implants, it would send the message that I wasn't good enough before, and thus she is not good enough. It would set a bad example, and be damaging psychologically.
(also, it's adorable that your lover said that)

As a psychology major, I would also think that anyone seriously considering breast implants should definitely go through therapy first to examine their true reasons for doing this to themselves. The level of self-doubt needed to undergo major surgery of this nature should really be explored and worked through. I think that for many women, getting breast implants is just an unhealthy way of dealing with the symptoms of a much larger problem.

(((all breasty busties)))