[Vendetta]

So there we are, being intimate, and he is paying way more attention to my boobies than he has ever had before. Probably because we talked about it a few days ago. And he's grabing and grabing and I change my position so that he can grab a little bit more, my boobie is slipping from his hand and he keeps trying. My skin is turning red and I'm kinda hurt but too ashamed to say anything, so he grabs my two boobies in one hand and I feel even worse. Both of them fit perfectly in just one of his hands. But then he hurts me even more and I have to ask him to be more careful with them, so he goes back to just one boobie that keeps slipping away from his hand, constantly. He comes. I look in the closet mirror and I still don't recognize my reflection anymore.

I can't force him to love' em. He says he loves them, that I'm perfect but he has once wished I was bigger. So he can't convince me that he doesn't anymore. I know that when there is love, those things don't matter. But I've seen his eyes glow with a glance at a big chest. His eyes never did that with mine and never will. I guess I'm just gonna have to learn to live with that.

XXX

[karategrrl]

Hi ladies, thought I'd pass this on:

The new itty bitty bra company specializes in AA, A and B sizes ONLY. They were mentioned in Redbook magazine.

The down side is, they are currently only sold in just a few U.S. stores and they don't have internet ordering up yet (they say they're going to have that function soon). they should really move their asses with that because I'm dying to try these. The cute leopard print bra is $55,--way more than I'd usually pay for a damn bra--but still, it's nice to see a company trying to cater to us for a change.

http://www.ittybittybra.com/

[starship]

Where are you alllll
Ive noticed I only post in here when Im having a low moment boob-wise (with the exception of now). Although I still read up whenever Im online
Not really thought about boobs much lately. The only moments that come to mind are the odd jealous glare at various blessed chests. Im pretty sure an extra cup or two would perfect me. Well, imperfectly perfect

A rather large breasted lady was on tv and the person watching with me said "look how huge her boobs are. Disgusting". I know there are many things wrong with the comment etc etc but I have to confess it made me feel a tiny bit good. (And then guilty...)

Hi Kat! please come again:)

Even though you described what that picture is Knorl, I still find myself squinting at it thinking 'what the hell'. Looks like an actual breast exploded rather than the bra:/

Im a little tipsy, sorry

[karategrrl]

Welcome, little kat!! Come on out and play!

[crinoline]

Welcome, little kat! You should go ahead and introduce yourself in the Newbie Thread .

[little kat]

Hi
I'm new here, can I join your thread? I am sick of feeling so down on myself and would love a bit of support from some like minded people.
xxx

[neurotic.nelly]

Gross out!

Check these stats:

More than 300,000 women in the U.S. had implants last year, that's around 30,000 per month, most of these women are under the age of 21 years old. This surgery has become a very popular graduation present for young women.

Not that there is anything wrong with breast implants, I mean, If you don't mind having something like gross out in your body, by all means.

[Vendetta]

What the hell is that?! lol

[karategrrl]

Hey Knorl,

Ew is right!

Not to implant-bash, but this pic is very similar to ones I've seen of implants gone wrong--all can look well on the outside, but inside there could be fungus, a capsule forming, leaks, etc. At least this was only inside your bra, not your body.

[knorl05]

havent done my reading in this thread yet this week.
but just wanted to share something rather or slightly disturbing.
my recently trashed 3-yo waterbra... after being washed and worn one too many times (the inner pocket broke and the "liquid" oozed out). i cut the back off to see what was going on inside... well, see for yourselves. ewww.

[Vendetta]

I've been trying to go back time and once in a while my boobs had been part of our sex life. I expected some excitement, like, i haven't seen your boobs for ages and i'm so glad i do now, but... nop. We talked about it today, he says he was just being patient when I expected him to be crazy about it. So he thinks we have to start over again. Yep, maybe he's right. I'll probably think he's just doing that cause I asked him to.

[strongirl]

I'm somewhat bi also and my last sexual encounter with women gave me an interesting insight on the boob size issue. My boyfriend has always said that for him, it's not the size of the breast that is sexy but the way the woman responds when they are being stimulated that turns him on. (That's part of what he likes about me - I have extremely sensitive and responsive tits and can occasionally come just from breast stim.)

Anyway, in this encounter I was with two women, one of whom has large natural breasts. I'd never been with a woman with big boobs before and I was curious how I'd react - hugest turn on ever? ho-hum? icky gross? - I had no idea beforehand. It was exactly like he says! At first I was sort of curious about them, kind of just working them over with more of a scientific interest than anything. But as we both got more turned on I completely forgot about their size. It just wasn't an issue! What mattered, and what was turning me on, was figuring out what she liked and doing more of it. Biting? Oh she doesn't like biting, I'll stop. Sucking like a baby? Ooooh, she's grooving on that, I'll do more. Oh yeah, she really likes that. Ohhhh, yeah, mmmmm....

Exactly like my boyfriend says. It's not the size. It's the woman's response.

[karategrrl]

"i participated in some research on body image and bi/gay women recently - anyone got any thoughts on whether being bi or gay helps you to distance yourself somewhat from societal pressure to look a certain way?"

I'm bi and I absolutely have not felt with women the pressure to look a certain way--as I have with men my whole life. Especially, I noticed this with the breast size issue--I definetely feel women (whether they themselves had small or larger breasts), appreciated my breasts generally more than any man ever did. One woman was constantly down or up my shirt the second we were alone--whenever, wherever. It stroked my ego in a huge way! No man was ever so enthused about them.

It was women who gave me a couple of the biggest physical compliments of my entire life: "I love your breasts," and "Your body is a work of art!"

The "out" gay/bi women I knew, I would say, were generally more accepting of their bodies than most straight women I've known. It was refreshing, and I wonder if it was at least in part due to already embracing a sexual orientation and overall lifestyle that challenged the norm; to go one step further and accept the whole physical package was just part of accepting the whole self and basically telling the world, "Fuck it, this is who I am!"

I also think women who love women are much more accepting of body types--heavy, etc--and therefore those within that community must not feel as much pressure to look a certain way as stright women do. I think gay women generally are more accepting of variations in women's bodies than men, and find many more female body types beautiful. I never saw one implanted women in the gay clubs, as least that I could tell. (Go to any meat-market straight club and it's all around.)

But just to confuse the issue, I will, however, say that I have noticed some pressure within the gay/bi community, surprisingly, to look a certain way--to adhere to a "butch" look if you are lesbian, for example. One gay aquaintance was pretty feminine and she told me she was often criticized by other lesbians for wearing pretty jewelry, feminine clothing, that sort of thing. As someone new to the gay scene at that time, I found it surprising that among gay people--who I thought would have had enough being judged--would judge others within the gay community like that.

Sorry for rambling--I'm a little hung over.

[dj-bizmonkey]

here's a slightly disjointed clip of that documentary that vendetta mentioned: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=flat...mp;sitesearch=#

[juliaolive]

umm percentages... I'm sorry to say that it took a man (crinoboy) to bring me up to where I am now, self-esteem wise. He taught me to love myself and overcome years of negative thinking and self-loathing. So nowadays I'm about 50% okay, 30% omg I am hideous, 19% I look pretty good, and 1% I am hot.

Crino, I'm the exact same way! When my bf and I began dating I had an eating disorder and really really hated my body. Now, almost a year later, I'm really starting to come around, largely because he is so sweet and doesn't hold me to any of the ridiculous standards that I do. I used to get really angry when he would say sweet things (which is totally messed, I know), but I'm no longer tossing my cookies or foregoing food entirely. I hate thinking that I needed a man to do this, and I really believe that people cannot fix us, that we need to heal ourselves yadda yadda, but you know, I think it really helped having a voice saying sweet things to counter all of the negative self-talk I had going on (like "oh my god, my grandfather has bigger breasts than me." which, lol, is true ).

Aha, last night my bff and I were reminiscing about our first bra buying experience, we bought matching ones, and she was going on about how she had just found hers and how small and cute it looked, etc. I think she felt kind of bad when I told her I still hadn't (and probably won't ever) grown into mine. Aha, I felt so cheated by life when I realized that I was never going to grow "real" breasts

[crinoline]

I haven't posted in a while, not much to add to the convo I guess. I am soo feelin y'all on the wide feet! It sucks cuz mine are also really short, so good luck to me finding a size 5 1/2 wide (they're practically square, lol)!

dj- You're right about our build being found in gymnasts. When I was a gymnast there were many girls with my same build (bulky ass/thighs, tee-tiny top), it may be from the way we train our muscles, I dunno. It took me years to get my thighs down to where my quads didn't stick out.

V- congrats on your progress!! I'm so proud of you for the steps you're taking to love yourself, you rock!!!

I also think there is beauty in imperfection, if something is too perfect, it isn't interesting visually or otherwise. Look at the Mona Lisa, which is famous in part because her face is slightly imperfect, it makes people want to look at it.

umm percentages... I'm sorry to say that it took a man (crinoboy) to bring me up to where I am now, self-esteem wise. He taught me to love myself and overcome years of negative thinking and self-loathing. So nowadays I'm about 50% okay, 30% omg I am hideous, 19% I look pretty good, and 1% I am hot.

[Vendetta]

hmmm yeah, I'm bisexual and I'm more tolerant towards alternative beauty in women and probably will allways be more than some straight women, I guess. Until I had this boob issue I had never seen a woman and had thoughts like "I wish I was like her or I wish I had that something", I would just appreciate her for the whole package. I used to go to this strip club with my ex-bf and we used it as a turn on on our relationship, and it worked miracles. I had spent hours surfing on suicidegirls.com (I've got a login lended from a great friend lol) and appreciated women from all kinds and shapes. And that's great.

[dj-bizmonkey]

i participated in some research on body image and bi/gay women recently - anyone got any thoughts on whether being bi or gay helps you to distance yourself somewhat from societal pressure to look a certain way?

i am as straight as they come, but i have often wondered about this too. a looooooong time ago, when lux still posted in here, she mentioned how awful her girlfriend was to her about her small breasts. this kind of surprised me. i suppose my dime store analysis would be that lesbians/bi women share a common perspective in the world. maybe women's ability to see past the superficial in others translates to bi/lesbian relationships. one would think that these women would be more sympathetic to the societal pressures put on women and therefore more open and accepting of different physical forms. however, all women are subject to the same conditioning. i, like anarch, have more difficulty forgiving the bodily 'transgressions' of women than i do of men. in my mind, men aren't supposed to be beautiful in the way that women are. so, to answer your question beck, i don't know. those are just some thought.......

i'm glad that some of you echoed the big girl/small breasts sentiment. i feel like it can go the other way too, as in, it's okay to have small breasts if you are super skinny (i'm not ragging on you bean poles out there, i know that is the way nature made you! ) i am always looking for a celebrity/athlete example of a bigger woman with small breasts. i think the best examples must come from athletes, tennis players, soccer players, gymnists (karate peeps, wink wink).

((((small-busted busties))))

[beck]

on the percentage thing - 70% of the time I don't think about it at all, 20% I like what I see, 10% I don't. The 10% is not generally boob-related though, more when my skin flares up - i mostly like my small boobs and big butt but i am bothered by the bad skin on my chest. i'm all for variation and different shapes but let's face it, acne is never going to be sexy

the other things i don't like so much are my very pale skin (i practically glow in the dark) and my teeth, due to a slight misunderstanding between me and a wall when i was little...

but most of the time i think what the hell, i look alright - and if i don't, tough shit, i'm a smart and interesting person (on a good day) and would rather be judged on that - if someone misses out because they don't like my face, their loss. my beef is more about finding stuff that fits properly than dealing with self-esteem problems. i think it would be harder if i lived in the US as i get the impression people are better-groomed generally? (or am i just basing that on what i see on TV?)

i participated in some research on body image and bi/gay women recently - anyone got any thoughts on whether being bi or gay helps you to distance yourself somewhat from societal pressure to look a certain way?

i'm so with the big-footed Busties - it is such a pain (literally) finding shoes to fit my wide feet.

ETA: clearly not as smart as i like to think, at least not at maths, as i realised this morning that with those %s, i would be spending a crazy 5 and a half hours a day thinking about my appearance, and close to 2 hours a day mired in self-loathing. Probably more like 5 and a half minutes, and 2 minutes. but i can't possibly work out those as percentages...

Sorry for crazy long post!

[Vendetta]

I'm not trying to fit any society's mold by thinking about surgery or anything, I pretty much love the rest of my body and when "I loved myself" I would just put on a padded bra and focus on the rest of my to-my-eyes perfect body. I never dealt with my flat-chest cause I didn't wanted to and I never saw myself as a flat-chested gal cause I didn't wanted to either and when I'm dressed up with my padded bra I'm perfect. The guys I've been with never mentioned it before. Now that someone has pointed out my "fault" I had to start dealing with it at 24 years-old when I'm trying more than never to be the woman I feel inside and realised the padded bras were the breasts I never had and somehow believed I did had them. Go figure. I have got nothing against flat-chests but I just don't see myself that way. That is not the way I dress up, that is not the way I behave and that is not the way I see myself. I have been avoiding reality since my 11 years old.