[oceangirl]

I haven't been following this thread for quite a while but I was wondering if anyone can help me out.

I lost a lot of weight and none of my bras fit me (I was up to a full A and now I am down to well less than an A).

The only thing that I have found that I like is a seamless "bra" (more like a microfiber crop top) made by Bestform (comes in small, medium, and large). I used to buy them at Walmart but they don't sell them anymore. All they sell are "petite" bras (aka bras that don't fit at all, are massively uncomfortable and padded).

SOOO my question is anyone know where I can order the microfiber Bestform crop tops? It is not like a bra in the sense that there is no clasp. It is not the sexiest thing by far but it is comfortable and for a girl who doesn't really "need" a bra it works for me (if you know what I mean).

I will re-pay you all by designing a line of lingerie (comfortable AND sexy) one day - I swear. I'm not kidding.

Until that day I am looking to find some place to order seamless microfiber bestform bras online. any help is appreciated.

thank you!

[pherber]

Back to boob talk - did any of you see the June issue of Playboy? There are some awesome small-titted hotties in there. Two pages of pics of the new French first lady, Carla Bruni, former supermodel and now successful singer (her music is waaay cool too). She's gorgeous, probably an A or AA cup, and has an impressive resume of ex-lovers from Mick Jagger to Eric Clapton.

And a spread on the dancers in Crazy Horse, a French review that is now playing in Vegas. Hot little titties, from AA to maybe a B cup, but none that could keep the pencil off the floor.

If Playboy can celebrate small tits, surely we can love and enjoy the ones on our own bodies?

Oh, I can see how reading playboy works wonders for developing a feminist attitude.

Seriously, I don't know a single guy, who has the audacity to describe women in such a disrespectful and chauvinistic way, and if one did so in my presence, I'd bitchslap him into oblivion.

...and this, AFTER we've taken it outside and agreed, that freedom of speech should maybe include a minimum of respect for other women.


PS:
Oh, and seriously- Carla fucking Bruni????
The one who chased a much older married man, because in her own words, she "wants a man with nuclear power"?
The one who compared her fate of being of public interest to the "denounced jews" in the second world war?
pfffff

[strongirl]

Back to boob talk - did any of you see the June issue of Playboy? There are some awesome small-titted hotties in there. Two pages of pics of the new French first lady, Carla Bruni, former supermodel and now successful singer (her music is waaay cool too). She's gorgeous, probably an A or AA cup, and has an impressive resume of ex-lovers from Mick Jagger to Eric Clapton.

And a spread on the dancers in Crazy Horse, a French review that is now playing in Vegas. Hot little titties, from AA to maybe a B cup, but none that could keep the pencil off the floor.

If Playboy can celebrate small tits, surely we can love and enjoy the ones on our own bodies?

[strongirl]

I hope no one interpreted my comments as urging self-censorship. I love the open dialogue of this forum and think that is a big part of the benefit - you can say what you think and get equally honest feedback in return. Part of what I get out of this is a way to fine-tune and develop my own thoughts - by viewing my own opinions through the lens of other people's perspectives.

I am reminded of the words of a wonderful therapist I went to years ago. He encouraged me to express myself "freely and fully...with harm to none". It can be a tricky dance but I do think it's an important thing to factor into not just our comments but our own inner thoughts and ideas. I want to be kind, tolerant, and generous to others...and to my own self! And I want to question my own assumptions and not get locked in and calcified in rigid ways of thinking.

So deep appreciation and thanks to everyone who posts in all the Bust forums! You are an amazing, intelligent, and fascinating bunch of women!

[anna k]

this cute little mixed girl who was right at my feet looked up at me and said, 'your boobies are pretty!' i was slightly mortified, but blushing was out of embarassment and joy. just thought i'd share.

That's so cute. That's much better from when I was about 11 and an obnoxious little girl teased me for having bigger breasts than her.

[dj-bizmonkey]

wow. i don't even really know where to begin. i feel like the words have been taken out of my mouth by some and twisted by others.

pherber, thanks for posting and the reality check. you obviously have a very well-balanced perspective and i certainly appreciate hearing it.

suffice to say, to all the regulars in this thread, i'm sorry i wasn't paying attention as this back and forth was happening. i'm hurt, more than anything, that we were all painted with a glib and insulting brush.

people are going to read into posts how they see fit. i see this happening on bust all of the time. one post, one comment, becomes a federal case and spins out of control. it's really a shame. i for one am sorry for ever participating in a situation like that. i am also sorry if anything i ever wrote was misunderstood or was hurtful to other busties for whatever reason. i refuse to censor myself, but i can certainly learn to express myself in a more sensitive and thoughtful manner.

can we move on? i think we have all acknowledged where we were insensitive, bigoted or just plain mean. we are human beings, bound to say and do ugly things. if we can't vent here, in a semi-anonymous online forum, then where CAN we vent?

ANYWAY

here is an uplifting story. i was in the gym locker room the other day and there was a huge swarm of young girls who had just gotten out of the pool. i literally had to wade through them to get to my locker after my shower. i was changing, and trying to modest in front of the little girls, but they were all around me. this cute little mixed girl who was right at my feet looked up at me and said, 'your boobies are pretty!' i was slightly mortified, but blushing was out of embarassment and joy. just thought i'd share.


((((busties)))) thanks for all the love and encouragement!

[knorl05]

i'm gonna have to agree with karategrrl on this one........"I love the discussions going on here, and especially all the new and old friends chiming in, but ladies, I feel like I spend an awful lot of time re-stating what I meant and correcting people who misinterpret my posts." i mean seriously. i know for myself, i do not intend to hurt or disrespect anyone... so i think we should try to check our emotional response before we post. just because some one doesnt agree with what i have to say doesnt mean i should censor myself, especially considering my character is not one that is insensitive or thoughtless, as with most other busties.

and good point pherber... regarding lowbrow rock culture vs clueless bad taste. i guess my thing has always been...time and place. most people will agree that being loud and outspoken about (the war, abortion, animal rights, great music, etc) isnt exactly appropriate in say a buddhist temple. i have no problem with women who do what they do, when they do, with whomever they do it.... i am just annoyed by the general public and the hypocritical morality that seems to ooze from the mind of the masses. specifically women and men whose only angle is that of which they see in the media or learn within the dynamic of their sheltered lives. again, IRL i am beyond tolerant, but when discussing my ideas with others who understand and share my views, i'm a bit more inclined to express my discernment.

[pherber]

Thanks NN! That was very kind.

I wasn't so much offended at anything that's been said here, btw, I just thought, that there were maybe some misunderstandings.
Glad noone took offence.

I wasn't saying anyone should cover up completely--turtlenecks and burkas and such...I said, "a shirt with more coverage" than what the other person who posted described. Yes, we should all wear stuff that is flattering, makes us look and feel good, and that highlights our best features. I am one of those with awesome legs. I could wear skirts up to my buttcheek crease but I prefer to be a little more modest with anyone besides my husband because the shorter the skirt, the less tasteful the attention is that I seem to get, and I prefer to not be treated like an object. That's just me.

I totally dig your point.
Of course HOW far I go depends on the situation, i.e. date or work, and how extroverted I feel.
The difference between legs and boobs is, just like HT said, you can't hide big boobs, they're always obvious no matter how modest I dress.
So on days where I feel introverted it really sucks.

The thing that you were discussing might actually be more of a CoF subject:
That huge difference between cool rock'n roll bad taste and just plain bad taste, or glamour vs. 'Lil Kim, or Marilyn vs. Porno star so-and-so...
In other words, the trashy aspect might not come from the cleavage, or how low it is, but from the general styling.

[dj-bizmonkey]

wow, alot of action in here! i am going to read, but i am a slow reader.......i have been buried under a mountain of work, tons of time in front of the computer, no time for BUST!

[karategrrl]

"You don't like being pointed out because you have boobs and we don't like being pointed out because we don't have them. The grass is always greener."

Ha, good point!!!!

"I'm shy and sensitive and I dislike any male attention if it's not from my boyfriend. It makes me intensely uncomfortable, but I still don't want to go around looking like total crap all the time either."

I feel ya, girl. I don't mind attention if it's tasteful--a smile, a hello, a look IN THE EYE. But, as probably most of us do, I hate the leering, whistling, inappropriate comments about how I should have surgery, etc.

"By the way, I'm one of those who shamelessly flaunts her boobs in low cut tops. Why the hell should I hide them in turtle neck jumpers? They look horrible on me! A woman with lovely legs might wear a mini skirt. I can't! I don't care, that my legs are too heavy for short skirts, but I have an ugly varicose vein."

I wasn't saying anyone should cover up completely--turtlenecks and burkas and such...I said, "a shirt with more coverage" than what the other person who posted described. Yes, we should all wear stuff that is flattering, makes us look and feel good, and that highlights our best features. I am one of those with awesome legs. I could wear skirts up to my buttcheek crease but I prefer to be a little more modest with anyone besides my husband because the shorter the skirt, the less tasteful the attention is that I seem to get, and I prefer to not be treated like an object, which is the way I feel with that kind of attention. That's just me. Also, I work in a corporate environment, so I surely can't do that during the week.

I love the discussions going on here, and especially all the new and old friends chiming in, but ladies, I feel like I spend an awful lot of time re-stating what I meant and correcting people who misinterpret my posts. Makes me not want to post. Or at least not as much.

[karategrrl]

"You don't like being pointed out because you have boobs and we don't like being pointed out because we don't have them. The grass is always greener."

Ha, good point!!!!

"I'm shy and sensitive and I dislike any male attention if it's not from my boyfriend. It makes me intensely uncomfortable, but I still don't want to go around looking like total crap all the time either."

I feel ya, girl. I don't mind attention if it's tasteful--a smile, a hello, a look IN THE EYE. But, as probably most of us do, I hate the leering, whistling, inappropriate comments about how I should have surgery, etc.

"By the way, I'm one of those who shamelessly flaunts her boobs in low cut tops. Why the hell should I hide them in turtle neck jumpers? They look horrible on me! A woman with lovely legs might wear a mini skirt. I can't! I don't care, that my legs are too heavy for short skirts, but I have an ugly varicose vein."

I wasn't saying anyone should cover up completely--turtlenecks and burkas and such...I said, "a shirt with more coverage" than what the other person who posted described. Yes, we should all wear stuff that is flattering, makes us look and feel good, and that highlights our best features. I am one of those with awesome legs. I could wear skirts up to my buttcheek crease but I prefer to be a little more modest with anyone besides my husband because the shorter the skirt, the less tasteful the attention is that I seem to get, and I prefer to not be treated like an object. That's just me.

I love the discussions going on here, and especially all the new and old friends chiming in, but ladies, I feel like I spend an awful lot of time re-stating what I meant and correcting people who misinterpret my posts. Makes me not want to post. Or at least not as much.

[Vendetta]

You don't like being pointed out because you have boobs and we don't like being pointed out because we don't have them. The grass is always greener.

And we shouldn't go that wrong way of making assumptions about other women. You're welcome in here.

[hellotampon]

"See, I'm not about body fascism, but a general aesthetic, that women of the most different shapes can look nice in clothes that suit them."

The clothes that happen to suit me personally are low-cut. As I said in the large thread before, I actually think I look more proportional that way. You see cleavage, but my chest itself doesn't look all huge and slopey. I'm sure a lot of people see that as in invitation to stare or think that's I'm showing them off, but what the hell, they're going to stare anyway, if they're rude. And I have nothing else to show off. I pretty much hate the rest of my body.

"IA. I've never known a big breasted girl who disliked the breasts themselves although they may have disliked having back problems or difficulty finding the right size bra."
Well, back problems suck And so does not being able to do most exercises, and the staring and the snide comments from complete strangers and men who think they are entitled to undress you with their eyes or act in other aggressive ways just because you have large breasts thru no fault of your own... I'm shy and sensitive and I dislike any male attention if it's not from my boyfriend. It makes me intensely uncomfortable, but I still don't want to go around looking like total crap all the time either.

I just re-read my post and I hope it doesn't sound argumentative. I just wanted to chime in from the other side of things. I was a late bloomer and always assumed I would take after my very small-breasted grandmother. For most of high school I just wore padded bras and as soon as I accepted my small comfy boobs for what they were, they grew.

[neurotic.nelly]

pherber,Tthank you! for your post. I think we needed it here, everything you wrote is so right on! Thank you for the reality check!!!

As far as showing off our assets whatever they maybe as women, you say,
"If this is considered desperate attention seeking, you might as well get the burkas out." I think that women are controlled/oppressed in two ways, one way is to suppress, oppress, and control the feminine body completely i.e. burkas and the other is to completely expose, objectify, and make a commodity of the female form.

I think it is important to point out that some women who rock burka's wear them because it makes them feel proud and beautiful. And I agree!

I so appreciate what you said here pherpher,
"See, I'm not about body fascism, but a general aesthetic, that women of the most different shapes can look nice in clothes that suit them."
That's awesome!

[honeybunch]

why do people thinnk its ok to just point out that im flat chested and remark on my body.grrr.I need to become more resilliant to insensitive comments or im never going to get over this boob issue

i found myself cringing slightly when my bf touched me the other day.total mood killer

not sure why because he always tries to reassure me. He called me a trophy gf..i said i was more like the booby prize, without the booby...he said i was the booty prize and thats good enough for him:)

I know large breasts have problems too but ive noticed that the large breast forum tends to deal more with practicalities whereas our problems revolve around the psychological, not physical, difficulties

((Vendetta))

IA. I've never known a big breasted girl who disliked the breasts themselves although they may have disliked having back problems or difficulty finding the right size bra.

[strongirl]

This back and forth between the small and big boobs threads is pretty fascinating and touches on something I've mentioned before in here, which is the importance of tolerance and support for other women, rather than making assumptions and criticizing.

Why shouldn't a girl with big tits enjoy flaunting them? I enjoy flaunting my cute little ones! And I don't see "wanting attention" as being a character flaw or impure motive. While it is totally legit to prefer modesty as a personal aesthetic, I personally am very visual and love to see other people's bodies and share my own. I don't think that makes me a worse or better person than one who prefers a more demure presentation.

We should all learn to love and appreciate our own bodies, and wherever we can help others to do likewise, by appreciating their beauty and appeal even if it differs from ours, let's do that too!

[starship]

If this is considered desperate attention seeking, you might as well get the burkas out.

ahah. Id probably flaunt them too. Everyone tries to wear clothes that show them to their best, right:/

There should just be one big merged 'Boobs' thread

[pherber]

Sorry for jumping in.
I have 36DD (probably more, because all my bras are too tight, but I can't afford even bigger ones)
A debate in the "big" thread got my curiosity, now...

I'd like to assure you, that I have no "power" because of my big boobs, this probably only applies to women in showbiz, and has nothing to do with reality.
My reality is, whenever I have a crush on a guy, he seems to prefer more modestly shaped girls. Yes, the irony...
I also work in a male dominated field, where my technichal knowledge is appreciated, having big boobs is no problem, but also of ZERO advantage!

...and I'd like to add something I've also posted in the big boob thread:
Actually the irony is, if you have very big boobs, you also get insensitive comments. I.e "How much did they cost?"
Another popular insult is the assumption, they must be saggy, by people, who haven't even seen me naked.

In our stupid porno culture, and obsession with breast implants, people don't always realize, that for women, who have naturally big boobs, this was not a choice we made, and we have to learn to accept our bodies just the same way women with small boobs have to.

PS:
By the way, I'm one of those who shamelessly flaunts her boobs in low cut tops. Why the hell should I hide them in turtle neck jumpers? They look horrible on me!
A woman with lovely legs might wear a mini skirt. I can't! I don't care, that my legs are too heavy for short skirts, but I have an ugly varicose vein.
See, I'm not about body fascism, but a general aesthetic, that women of the most different shapes can look nice in clothes that suit them.
If this is considered desperate attention seeking, you might as well get the burkas out.

[Vendetta]

I commented with the boy that I had less than half men looking at me when I went braless. Answer: Of course, men like staring at things like that. Ain't I dating an idiot or what?

[karategrrl]

Hey ladies,

I'm glad my comments were understood. Sometimes I think maybe I'm being too analytical or sensitive, but since many of you agree, I guess I'm not.

but there is a profound difference in the way men (and women) respond to larger breasts as opposed to an average size bust. an example to this: the other night i met a friend at the bar. he was sitting with some people i had not met, one of them being a woman with a shirt down to there and a push up bra that made her tatas the first thing you notice about her. the way the men reacted to her was in a flirty and jocular manner; the bartender brought attention to himself to say, "hey hey, i asked her if she likes milk" or something equally juvenile, followed by a round of chuckles. i mean. geez. i had to stop myself from rolling my eyes something hard, just so i wouldnt look bitter. but the whole situation was annoying. it's like, great she's got big boobs, get over it.

Oh Goddess, I SO understand!!!! I have been accused of being jealous in situations like that, when I didn't hold back the eye rolls myself. One could probably have been able to tell she had large knockers even if she were wearing a shirt with more coverage, so why go overboard and bring even more attention to it? It reminds me of men who are all into the bodybuilding scene and will wear (undersize, to makes them look like they are busting out) tank tops in the freaking winter. It, to me, only makes one appear desperate for recognition/attention. If a guy has nice muscles, you can still tell in a button-down shirt. Add to that the added allure of a man who doesn't look like he needs to flaunt it. Also leaves something to the imagination, no?

Yep, she's got big boobs, get over it. Move on. What I constantly find amusing (in a way that does annoy me, though) is how men will say nudity or big breasts or whatever are "no big deal," yet they respond like that. (Warning: me possibly being overanalytical: Is it conditioning? Do guys just say shit like that b/c they're in groups and it's "expected?" Or do they figure they should give the woman what they want--attention/a reaction?)

in the past i've had guys suggest to me that i get my tits done, with the only argument being to get more attention. but what type of attention would that be? is it really something i need in my life? would larger breasts create experiences in which men (people) respect me for my mind? in the end, we really have to determine what is important to us. again, large breasts, small breasts, it doesnt matter.. what matters is how we treat ourselves, and the dynamic we are looking to create between ourselves and those around us.

Wow, you hit it right on. I had some asshat at the gym where I used to work tell me that too, and it was a totally "from left field" kind of comment--like, it barely related to what we had been talking about. Gee, thanks for telling me, an almost-stranger what I should do with my body...and for what purpose, exactly?? Duh. I mean, if I had larger breasts, I still wouldn't see myself "using" them or showing them off for anyone but my hubby.

"I like being feminine but I do not like lording it over men, it feels oppressive, and if it is what the larger male dominated media/society is telling me to do, then it probably is a form of oppression."

Very well said!


Okay...what I find attractive about women...

Must I narrow it down to one thing? I think most everyone has something beautiful about them. I dunno, but as you night have guessed, I find women most attractive when they have a depth to them. I'd definitely be more attracted to the woman who's a bit more physically modest but great personality, intelligent, etc. vs. one who has her tits pushed up and hanging out in public. <yawn.>