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post Feb 11 2009, 03:51 PM
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haha as a fellow fair-skinned girl, 'paleness' was the first thing i picked up on too
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post Feb 11 2009, 02:29 PM
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everyone has interesting points.

karate- I know I'm disgusted by it, so I imagine many other people would be too. But the "paleness" of the women? I'm naturally ghost-white, and from what I've seen of porn it's chock full of fake tans. I guess I just don't know what "paleness" you're referring to?


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post Feb 11 2009, 12:06 PM
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strongirl and dj, this is really interesting. Quite true that it's not the object itself that's actually a turn-on, but what we attach to it mentally. What are breasts, anyway? Some mammary tissue and fat, with a nipple (the latter of which men have, too, BTW). Not to minimize the beauty of the human body, but when you think about it, that's really all breasts are. But fetish-ize the breast, make it something that peeks out in men's magazines, we cover up with tiny swatches of fabric at the beach, and go to great lengths to have "bigger and better" versions of (I'm talking about breast augmentation surgery) and all of a sudden there's a whole new meaning attached to it. I wonder what the residents of some tribal cultures would think if we showed them some western-produced porn. Would they be disgusted at the slim hips and paleness of the women? Would they wonder what the big deal is with the breasts when they see naked breasts flopping around all the time in their tribes?
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post Feb 10 2009, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(strongirl @ Feb 10 2009, 12:52 PM) *
On the "Why?" question below, something that occurred to me recently is that we (Western pop culture) have fetishized breasts. I don't mean that in the casual slang sense, I mean it in the psychological diagnosis sense. You can't fuck a breast...or a shoe...or a whip...or whatever. You can't achieve union that way. So it's constant unfulfilled desire. And I think a lot of people - men and women - are in this state regarding breasts. So implants make sense in that context - they don't make a whole woman more attractive or sexy - they ARE sex to the person with the fetish, so the bigger the better and it doesn't matter if it's unhealthy or unnatural. The woman becomes peripheral, just a delivery system for the fetish, the breasts.

I also don't think it's coincidental that the most breast obsessed cultures - US and UK - are the ones least likely to nurse their babies and wean the earliest, providing that early sense of denial and unfulfillment that sets up a fetish.


i think this is absolutely spot on and i am convinced this is at the heart of the problem. we never see bare breasts in a nonsexual way. we never see them for their intended, natural purpose. people don't understand that a breast is like a cow's udder. maybe not the most beautiful image, but an accurate one. cod forbid that any part of woman's body be for a purpose OTHER than pleasing a man. sacrilege!

i got in a drunken argument a couple weeks ago about the woman who was nursing her kid up until age 8. i think that is a bit late to be nursing (the WHO recommends 'til age 2), but the reaction from the group of people i was with was complete disgust, not just at that woman, but breastfeeding in general! this one lady actually said, 'why should you do it if they make formula?'

are you kidding? why would you pay for an inferior product when you can make something better. for free. plus it's better for mom and baby (higher iq's, fewer infections, reduced risk of cancer, obesity and the list goes on and on and on). i understand that some women are physically incapable of breastfeeding and for them, formula is a great alternative.

we need to see breasts for what they really are. i'm not saying they aren't sexual, because the obviously, most definitely are, but our culture needs to see and accept the duality of their purpose.

grrrr. this really just gets my hackles up.


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post Feb 10 2009, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE(honeybunch @ Feb 10 2009, 07:20 PM) *
I do agree it's a fetish. It's like people will think all these things about you if you have large breasts, including the idea that you'll make more milk. I wouldn't be surprised if some people think larger breasts=bigger sex drive.

UGH, this totally brought back a memory from middle school, of two big-chested friends laughing that they were big b/c they drank so much milk. There I was, guzzling it down since childhood, and I had no such luck. I was too embarrassed to say that, though, and therefore draw attention to myself and my smallness. If only it were that easy to have bigger breasts!
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post Feb 10 2009, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(strongirl @ Feb 10 2009, 12:52 PM) *
On the "Why?" question below, something that occurred to me recently is that we (Western pop culture) have fetishized breasts. I don't mean that in the casual slang sense, I mean it in the psychological diagnosis sense. Fetishism is fascinating to read about - the sexual impulse is suppressed then redirected onto something that is not directly sexual. Shoes, feet, lingerie, wigs, whatever. I think as a culture we've done that with breasts. And once the fetishism is complete, the object BECOMES the focus of the sexuality - it's no longer about relationship, or a whole person, or achieving orgasm, or intercourse. It's about the THING...and it becomes obsessive because you can't ever really connect with it and be complete. You can't fuck a breast...or a shoe...or a whip...or whatever. You can't achieve union that way. So it's constant unfulfilled desire. And I think a lot of people - men and women - are in this state regarding breasts. So implants make sense in that context - they don't make a whole woman more attractive or sexy - they ARE sex to the person with the fetish, so the bigger the better and it doesn't matter if it's unhealthy or unnatural. The woman becomes peripheral, just a delivery system for the fetish, the breasts.

I also don't think it's coincidental that the most breast obsessed cultures - US and UK - are the ones least likely to nurse their babies and wean the earliest, providing that early sense of denial and unfulfillment that sets up a fetish.

My latest theory.


I was pondering that today, and you are reading my mind strongirl, right down to the last sentence.

I've heard and read that kids who are nursed longer go thru a serious stage of booby love, and that's completely normal.

I do agree it's a fetish. It's like people will think all these things about you if you have large breasts, including the idea that you'll make more milk. I wouldn't be surprised if some people think larger breasts=bigger sex drive. And I wouldn't be surprised if large breasted girls felt like people reduce them to being a pair of breasts-which is one reason I don't think I could stand anything larger than a c-cup for the long haul.
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post Feb 10 2009, 01:52 PM
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On the "Why?" question below, something that occurred to me recently is that we (Western pop culture) have fetishized breasts. I don't mean that in the casual slang sense, I mean it in the psychological diagnosis sense. Fetishism is fascinating to read about - the sexual impulse is suppressed then redirected onto something that is not directly sexual. Shoes, feet, lingerie, wigs, whatever. I think as a culture we've done that with breasts. And once the fetishism is complete, the object BECOMES the focus of the sexuality - it's no longer about relationship, or a whole person, or achieving orgasm, or intercourse. It's about the THING...and it becomes obsessive because you can't ever really connect with it and be complete. You can't fuck a breast...or a shoe...or a whip...or whatever. You can't achieve union that way. So it's constant unfulfilled desire. And I think a lot of people - men and women - are in this state regarding breasts. So implants make sense in that context - they don't make a whole woman more attractive or sexy - they ARE sex to the person with the fetish, so the bigger the better and it doesn't matter if it's unhealthy or unnatural. The woman becomes peripheral, just a delivery system for the fetish, the breasts.

I also don't think it's coincidental that the most breast obsessed cultures - US and UK - are the ones least likely to nurse their babies and wean the earliest, providing that early sense of denial and unfulfillment that sets up a fetish.

My latest theory.
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post Feb 10 2009, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE(starship @ Feb 10 2009, 11:41 AM) *
i remember this documentary made me sad too, for different reasons-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnCZDjkJoR4...feature=related
You cant really get a good idea of the girl from that clip, i dont think. some of the stuff she said before the operation reminded me alot of things said on this forum and i could actually really identify with her. its just a shame she couldnt find another way through it. im sure an increasing number of young girls are feeling this way and taking this option

im so sick of having boobs on the brain

Thanks for the clip, I'll watch it when my youtube stops acting funny. mad.gif

One thing I do like about the English documentaries is that the show the full breasts. I'm sorry if that comes across creepy.
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post Feb 10 2009, 01:15 PM
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I found My Big Breasts and Me and Google video, but I couldn't find the one about small breasts. sad.gif
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post Feb 10 2009, 12:41 PM
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I saw the BBC doc' when it was on here originally. I can't remember why but I remember crying at one point. perhaps i was just having a low day boobs-wise. Although I usually get slightly emotional in one way or another during any program discussing breasts.kinda stupid. I found a clip of it but not the whole thingg http://www.bbcamerica.com/videoplayer/player.jsp?ID=578

i remember this documentary made me sad too, for different reasons-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnCZDjkJoR4...feature=related
You cant really get a good idea of the girl from that clip, i dont think. some of the stuff she said before the operation reminded me alot of things said on this forum and i could actually really identify with her. its just a shame she couldnt find another way through it. im sure an increasing number of young girls are feeling this way and taking this option

im so sick of having boobs on the brain
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post Feb 10 2009, 10:38 AM
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QUOTE(honeybunch @ Feb 10 2009, 12:28 AM) *
I'm still trying to understand as far as guys go. I'm sure there are some guys who drool over it if women are doing it. I guess. blink.gif

I'm going to take a guess and say that I think many men (and women, in fact) just don't think it's a big deal. Of course, I think this is due to that fact that most people just don't know what is actually involved in the surgery, nor the risks. I told my hubby about the woman in the supermarket and I think he just didn't get it. I told him about the risks of implants--even those with only the silicone shell and saline filling--and how the 'net is full of women posting stories about how the implants have caused them all sorts of mysterious autoimmune problems. He totally didn't know. It's the kind of thing that just doesn't seem to be publicized, so you don't stumble upon the info unless you actively seek it out. Having BRIEFLY considered implants, I did seek out info about the risks, and was horrified at what I found. That instantly ended any interest whatsoever in implants for myself.

I think many people think it's just a relatively simple, one-time procedure--like, you just get those sacks stuck in you, you jump off the operating table, and you're good to go forever. NOT.

purplestain, I would love to see that BBC documentary. I don't have cable and it wasn't on youtube. sad.gif
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post Feb 9 2009, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(karategrrl @ Feb 9 2009, 05:42 PM) *
I saw this woman in the grocery story the other night with a pair of those unbelievably fake/huge breasts. Think Lolo Ferrari:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lolo_Fer...ter_Courage.JPG

They were ridiculous. As she walked, they bounced like tight balloons. That just can't be comfortable. I felt bad for her son, who was with her (probably about 10 or 11). I could only imagine the comments the kid gets from friends, and how he feels about the looks she must get. I figure she must be some kind of sex worker (stripper/porn/???) or just someone with a verry botched self-image. strongirl, I think it's great your son and friend are being exposed (heh, pun not intended, but it works!) to normal women's bodies.

"Sillycone," hahaha! laugh.gif

When I see ridiculous things like that I can only ask "WHY?"
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post Feb 9 2009, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(angie_21 @ Feb 9 2009, 09:55 AM) *
hee hee huneybunch, "sillycone." Being in Vegas last year was another cure for my insecurities about my own size. Seeing so many women who had been outright butchered with plastic surgery was so sad, and so weird. While I also had twinges seeing so many gigantic chests all over the place, most of them looked so odd and unattractive due to stretch marks and bubble-shaped cleavage that I just kind of had to laugh. These are the big boobs guys love so much? Well, not the guys I was with, they were pretty unimpressed.


I don't remember seeing too many fake breasts when I was there, but then again I locked myself in my hotel room most of the time!

I think sometimes the augmented breasts look good in tops, but when they are naked it looks like there is a grape fruit or cantalope under her skin. They definitely have an abnormal shape. Also, it's not natural to have a pair of DDs up to your chin (though I have some pert naturally large breasts) !

I'm still trying to understand as far as guys go. I'm sure there are some guys who drool over it if women are doing it. I guess. blink.gif
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post Feb 9 2009, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(strongirl @ Feb 9 2009, 05:24 PM) *
He responded with a big surge in desire and we've made love 9 times in 5 days. My breasts have been fondled, caressed, kissed, sucked, bitten, licked, exposed, squeezed, pinched, and I'm sure other things for which there are no words. I don't know how much he is motivated by wanting to make sure I feel loved despite my physical changes, and how much is that he just gets turned on by small tits and by having something different. But he can't fake his physical reaction to them, that's for sure.


OMG, that's incredible. I, for one, do not mind your stories! They are inspiring!!

I will check out those links, purplestain.

I saw this woman in the grocery story the other night with a pair of those unbelievably fake/huge breasts. Think Lolo Ferrari:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lolo_Fer...ter_Courage.JPG

They were ridiculous. As she walked, they bounced like tight balloons. That just can't be comfortable. I felt bad for her son, who was with her (probably about 10 or 11). I could only imagine the comments the kid gets from friends, and how he feels about the looks she must get. I figure she must be some kind of sex worker (stripper/porn/???) or just someone with a verry botched self-image. strongirl, I think it's great your son and friend are being exposed (heh, pun not intended, but it works!) to normal women's bodies.

"Sillycone," hahaha! laugh.gif
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post Feb 9 2009, 12:24 PM
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I know you all probably get tired of me extolling the virtues of my awesome bf but I share this mainly so that those of you who have been hurt by men in regards to your breasts recognize that it is the men who are inadequate and not your breasts.

Mine go up and down in size a lot due to hormonal weirdness (they've always done that but it's worse now with perimenopause). I recently mentioned this to bf in a long list of concerns that I have about my body's current changes and he said very sincerely "I absolutely love your breasts, at any size".

This past week he totally put his money where his mouth is, so to speak. They have gone to the very small side. He responded with a big surge in desire and we've made love 9 times in 5 days. My breasts have been fondled, caressed, kissed, sucked, bitten, licked, exposed, squeezed, pinched, and I'm sure other things for which there are no words. I don't know how much he is motivated by wanting to make sure I feel loved despite my physical changes, and how much is that he just gets turned on by small tits and by having something different. But he can't fake his physical reaction to them, that's for sure.

Any guys who read this: don't post here, your comments would not be welcome. But take notes. Take very good notes.

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post Feb 9 2009, 10:55 AM
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hee hee huneybunch, "sillycone." Being in Vegas last year was another cure for my insecurities about my own size. Seeing so many women who had been outright butchered with plastic surgery was so sad, and so weird. While I also had twinges seeing so many gigantic chests all over the place, most of them looked so odd and unattractive due to stretch marks and bubble-shaped cleavage that I just kind of had to laugh. These are the big boobs guys love so much? Well, not the guys I was with, they were pretty unimpressed.

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I caught a really good True Life-esque rerun on BBC America called "My Small Breasts and I." It features three women with small breasts and the different ways they deal with them. One woman takes herbal supplements and uses a suction pump thing on them every night for months... another gets a surgery consultation and does implant research (which involves interviewing one of the, uh, "success stories" from MyFreeImplants.com)... the last girl was my favorite, she goes to a photo-therapist. I liked it a lot because unlike True Life, it seemed fairly candid and nonjudgmental of the women. Link and reviews below:

http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/285/index.jsp
http://www.tvscoop.tv/2006/08/review_my_small.html
http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/200...e-of-woman.html
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Strongirl, San Luis Valley, I'm taking note!!!

No implants? Wow! The place I booked at, yeah, I think there's some sillycone going on. I was looking for a place that's all female, but I couldn't find one. I did find this very luxurious female and couples only resort. biggrin.gif It is lifestyles friendly, though that's not really what I wanted. I mean geez, I'm already getting hit on!

I just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one here going!

I found a more family friendly place in FL that I'm very interested in. I want to go there if my partner and I can't make it to Disney.

Karategrrl, I went to the spa at Luxor. Very few women wore anything in the whirlpool, no matter what their shape. I found that very inspiring. Eventually, I even inspired one lady to jump in nude. It felt really good to be in the water with no clothes. That's a huge reason why I want to go. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 6 2009, 04:06 PM
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Honeybunch, you may be more recent to this forum than my previous posts about clothes-optional hot springs and spa's, but I have been going to a variety of them for about 3 decades. I love them! Both the co-ed and women-only kind. I do the "naturist, family-friendly" variety, not the "nudist, swinger" type places.

If most of your images of naked bodies come from popular media, you are bound to have a distorted view indeed!

And when you go to a clothes-optional place, you are going to get a wonderful, life-affirming, joyous education in the amazing variety and infinite beauty of the human body. Please enter with an open and accepting mind yourself, not a critical, negative, competitive perspective. I wish I could take you to my favorite place, a clothes-optional hot springs in the San Luis Valley of Colorado. It is a haven of tolerance, acceptance, peace, and nature. I have seen hundreds of breasts there over time, and not one woman with implants. Amazing, huh? It is kind of a hippie haven, but people of all ages go there. I took my son for the first time when he was 4 months old and I'll be taking him and his best friend in March for the 3rd year in a row for their spring break - they're 13 now. I'm really happy that I can help them get an idea of what normal women's bodies look like to offset the airbrushed, implanted, super-sized McBoobie images they will get from porn.



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QUOTE(Aithinne @ Feb 6 2009, 05:16 AM) *
On the subject of MTV's True Life show, I hear that they are going to have a small boob one. Don't know when they will air it, but last I checked, they were still recruiting people for that show.


OMG, let's all get together and watch it. I'll make the popcorn.

honeybunch, the closest I've come to clothing optional is a yoga center where, in the women's jacuzzi, NO ONE wears a bathing suit--like, it stands out to actually be the only one with one on! It's been very healing to be in there and be accepted, and to see other normal bodies in all their wondrous beautiful diversity. I felt honored to be of the female species in there--one of the feminine goddess bathing in the steam.

aithinne, you can read this about totem animals:
http://www.animaltotem.com/find-your-totem.html
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