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post Nov 14 2008, 01:49 PM
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I worry about this too, but if I didn't use boric acid, I wouldn't have any relief. I've tried everything else and this is the only thing that has helped me at all.

Have you tried fem-dophilus?

I recall you said that you wouldn't take it because you were vegetarian/vegan. I respect that decision, by the way. But if you haven't tried it, then you can't know if it works for you or not.


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post Nov 14 2008, 01:35 PM
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Wow. That's all I can say. I just came back from the GYN and was told I have trich. I've been in the same relationship for 3 and a half years and I am sure we've both been faithful. I've been having these discharge and itch symptoms for too long now and have been tested over and over and over. I've got the labwork in my hands all saying negative for trich. Do you know that the PA said that if the samples she's taken in the past were not samples carrying the virus it wouldn't have shown up? On one hand, I'm disgusted and embarassed. On the other, I'm glad she found it and hoping maybe the oral flagyl (first time my man and I'll be taking it) will do the trick and end this madness. Ladies, keep getting tested, you never know.

There's no need to be disgusted and embarassed. Now that you know what the problem is, you're better off. I'm really glad for you.

BUT LADIES! This is something that I've brought up in this thread many times, and have detailed in my blog. Ladies need a Trich-specific test!

A quick rundown:
- Trich has similar symptoms as BV
- Trich is cured by oral flagyl; but if your partner has it, too, you will be re-infected
- pap smears & wet preps only detect Trich 60% of the time
- So? You need to get a Trich-specific test! (list of types and their accuracy rates are in my blog)

This occurred to me during my research and when I brought it up in here, some people treated me like it was stupid. Because they knew everything there was to know about BV or something. Well, guess what? You were fucking wrong, weren't you? Think about how such ignorance is hurting people and keeping them from getting helpful, even essential information.

God, this thread used to be so full of ignorance and retarded advice, it's not even funny. Sorry about the morning bitterness, but I think about all the time I've wasted in this cesspool fighting with some of you fucking thick-headed morons just to make sure my theories are not dumped on, and it pisses me off.


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post Nov 14 2008, 11:35 AM
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Wow. That's all I can say. I just came back from the GYN and was told I have trich. I've been in the same relationship for 3 and a half years and I am sure we've both been faithful. I've been having these discharge and itch symptoms for too long now and have been tested over and over and over. I've got the labwork in my hands all saying negative for trich. Do you know that the PA said that if the samples she's taken in the past were not samples carrying the virus it wouldn't have shown up? On one hand, I'm disgusted and embarassed. On the other, I'm glad she found it and hoping maybe the oral flagyl (first time my man and I'll be taking it) will do the trick and end this madness. Ladies, keep getting tested, you never know.
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post Nov 14 2008, 12:32 AM
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This is why I heart busties, because you gals always find the information I'm looking for but can't find. I've been trying to find info on the prolonged boric acid use, and couldn't seem to get anything on it. NO wonder I'm having dryness problems. I chalked it up to my hormones being jacked. But maybe it IS the boric acid. However, I'm like Sassy, it is the only thing that keeps my issues check (even if it's just temporarily). I don't have the money to run to the drug store or gyn every time I get a hint of an infection.



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post Nov 13 2008, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(sassy @ Nov 13 2008, 05:31 AM) *
I worry about this too, but if I didn't use boric acid, I wouldn't have any relief. I've tried everything else and this is the only thing that has helped me at all.


My gynecologist said the main thing to watch for, side-effectwise, when using boric acid long-term is vaginal dryness. He recommended using estrogen cream when not "on" boric acid. Also, since boric acid kills off at least some of the good bacteria as well as bad, it's a good idea to take/use probiotics, such as FemDophilus. (I took it orally when using boric acid. I think if using it vaginally, I'd do it 24 hours away from using the boric acid. Just my idea.)

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post Nov 13 2008, 05:31 AM
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i don't know about that. i've tried to do research about it but nothing came up. i've read some blogs where women have used it for years. not continuously but on and off, only when needed. i've came to the conclusion that if this is what i need to do to feel normal...... it's just what i have to do. i've tried everything and nothing seems to help but the boric acid.......i'm gonna add tto to my routine soon too. i wish i didn't have to shove shit up there all the time but it does help with the symptoms of itching, burning, and gross discharge.

sooo sad


I worry about this too, but if I didn't use boric acid, I wouldn't have any relief. I've tried everything else and this is the only thing that has helped me at all.
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post Nov 12 2008, 08:37 PM
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Aren't there any affects of using Boric Acid over a long period of time?



i don't know about that. i've tried to do research about it but nothing came up. i've read some blogs where women have used it for years. not continuously but on and off, only when needed. i've came to the conclusion that if this is what i need to do to feel normal...... it's just what i have to do. i've tried everything and nothing seems to help but the boric acid.......i'm gonna add tto to my routine soon too. i wish i didn't have to shove shit up there all the time but it does help with the symptoms of itching, burning, and gross discharge.

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post Nov 12 2008, 05:36 PM
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lovelyladyluck

hey hon............

yes, i'm getting relief from my routine but i think i'm gonna start doing boric acid every other day now and tto in between. i wanna fit in femd vaginally too, but i don't know how yet. i think i've been doing boric acid too much cause i'm kinda getting irritated down there now, but not too bad. my period started and i didn't do the boric acid and the irritation has died down now......thank GOD!!!! always one thing right after another!!! how are you coming along? what are you doing to cope with this darn thing? hopefully we will all get rid of this horid devil!!!!

sooo sad


Aren't there any affects of using Boric Acid over a long period of time?

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post Nov 10 2008, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(LovelyLadyLuck @ Nov 6 2008, 11:07 PM) *
damsel: i did the hydro wash, too. but i ran out. it definitely was working though. i got my femd today, and im going to cvs to get some more HP tomorrow. so those ph test kits work? maybe i should get one of those too. ill keep you ladies posted on my progress! and thanks for responding so quickly!

soooosad: girl im right there with ya. if i gotta do this every day to keep my vag healthy, then so be it. im sick of not having a normal sex life, its affected my relationships and my self esteem. i just wanna be normal! i know you had smell probs like i did, are you getting any relief from your routine? you must be since you are having sex. im officially jealous. and youre right about those condoms! when i was younger and didnt know better i would continue to use them and my bv would come right back.... luckily i wasnt that sexually active so there would be long periods of relief in between treatment and sex. i feel bad for younger sexually active females who have this problem, we all know how mean teenage guys can be. i had a friend who had the meanest things said about her in this regard, and now im sure that she was suffering from chronic BV for all those years. its so unfair for any female to have to deal with the stigma of being "dirty" because of her BV when it has nothing to do with that!


lovelyladyluck

hey hon............

yes, i'm getting relief from my routine but i think i'm gonna start doing boric acid every other day now and tto in between. i wanna fit in femd vaginally too, but i don't know how yet. i think i've been doing boric acid too much cause i'm kinda getting irritated down there now, but not too bad. my period started and i didn't do the boric acid and the irritation has died down now......thank GOD!!!! always one thing right after another!!! how are you coming along? what are you doing to cope with this darn thing? hopefully we will all get rid of this horid devil!!!!

sooo sad
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post Nov 9 2008, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(damselindistress @ Nov 7 2008, 07:48 AM) *
Those PH test kits DO work, but they're expensive (the ones made specifically for testing VAGINAL PH). On Lori's blog, there's a link to buy a dispenser with tear-off strips. It's SO much cheaper to do it that way. Unfortunately, the strips only check for 5.0 and above. I believe 5.0 and ABOVE can signify BV. I figure if my PH checks in at 5, the lowest, it's probably yeast, not BV. I was so sick of going to the doctor unsure which infection I had. This way, I can see if my discharge is normal right at home and it's great. I just tear off a little strip, stick it on my finger and put right inside my vagina for a second like it says, coats the strip and then read it according to the color guide on the dispenser. The hydrogen peroxide is cheap, distilled water is cheap and I got a cheap 30CC syringe online too (link on gentlebirth to buy it). I feel so clean after I do that. I don't put it up there too far, don't want to use it like a douche, but a "wash" like the instructions say. With the wash, I think I'm not pushing all that air up there like you do with a douche. I hope it's okay to do, but so far, I'm golden. Yeah. Good luck everybody. I'm crossing my fingers!

Hi. Try pH ion pH stix. they go as low as 4.5 pH. you can order them online. www.pH-ion.com or amazon
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post Nov 9 2008, 08:37 PM
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Thanks, Maggie.

I shoulda figured that an INSECTICIDE would be much more of a killer than an acidifier rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 9 2008, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE(Lolasaurus @ Nov 9 2008, 07:40 PM) *
Hey, ladies...

Does anyone out there know what, exactly, boric acid does to the vagina? Meaning, does it actually KILL bacteria, or just acidify things? Google's not helping me out.

I'm about to guinea pig a combination of BA and probiotic, and am wondering if it'll be a waste (BA killing the good bacteria, etc), or a good idea (bringing the vag to a Ph in which they will be more likely to flourish).

In any case, I'll let you guys know what happens.


To the best of my knowledge, it kills both good and bad bacteria, plus Candida species.
I would use the probiotic after finishing a course of boric acid.

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post Nov 9 2008, 07:40 PM
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Hey, ladies...

Does anyone out there know what, exactly, boric acid does to the vagina? Meaning, does it actually KILL bacteria, or just acidify things? Google's not helping me out.

I'm about to guinea pig a combination of BA and probiotic, and am wondering if it'll be a waste (BA killing the good bacteria, etc), or a good idea (bringing the vag to a Ph in which they will be more likely to flourish).

In any case, I'll let you guys know what happens.
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post Nov 7 2008, 06:14 PM
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Hi, I am a newbie here, and I was wondering if anyone has used relagard? I dont know if i have BV or if my ph is just out of balance, my gyno gave me refillable rx's for relagard and told me that sometimes the ph gets out of balance and that there is nothing I can do to prevent it but I could use relagard when it happens. Is this the same thing as BV?

I was also wondering if you can still have sex while using relagard?

and also how does having oral sex affect the ph balance and what are some things you can do to prevent it from happening? The smell is of course is affecting my sex life, my husband is very understanding but he loves to give me oral so how can i have a healthy and happy sex life? Any tips would be helpful.
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post Nov 7 2008, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(sassy @ Nov 7 2008, 05:40 AM) *
damsel: I use the boric acid too so I can have a normal sex life. No, it's not a cure, but it helps me stay normal.

LovelyLady: I've been having BV issues since I was about 14. Though my smell has never been really bad, I have had boyfriends comment on it and it's humiliating. I once had a roommate in college who had never even had a yeast infection and she had a lot of sexual partners. Whereas I have only had 3 sexual partners ever (I'm married now) and I have all these vagina issues. It doesn't seem fair. mad.gif

Those PH test kits DO work, but they're expensive (the ones made specifically for testing VAGINAL PH). On Lori's blog, there's a link to buy a dispenser with tear-off strips. It's SO much cheaper to do it that way. Unfortunately, the strips only check for 5.0 and above. I believe 5.0 and ABOVE can signify BV. I figure if my PH checks in at 5, the lowest, it's probably yeast, not BV. I was so sick of going to the doctor unsure which infection I had. This way, I can see if my discharge is normal right at home and it's great. I just tear off a little strip, stick it on my finger and put right inside my vagina for a second like it says, coats the strip and then read it according to the color guide on the dispenser. The hydrogen peroxide is cheap, distilled water is cheap and I got a cheap 30CC syringe online too (link on gentlebirth to buy it). I feel so clean after I do that. I don't put it up there too far, don't want to use it like a douche, but a "wash" like the instructions say. With the wash, I think I'm not pushing all that air up there like you do with a douche. I hope it's okay to do, but so far, I'm golden. Yeah. Good luck everybody. I'm crossing my fingers!
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post Nov 7 2008, 05:40 AM
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damsel: I use the boric acid too so I can have a normal sex life. No, it's not a cure, but it helps me stay normal.

LovelyLady: I've been having BV issues since I was about 14. Though my smell has never been really bad, I have had boyfriends comment on it and it's humiliating. I once had a roommate in college who had never even had a yeast infection and she had a lot of sexual partners. Whereas I have only had 3 sexual partners ever (I'm married now) and I have all these vagina issues. It doesn't seem fair. mad.gif
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post Nov 6 2008, 11:07 PM
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damsel: i did the hydro wash, too. but i ran out. it definitely was working though. i got my femd today, and im going to cvs to get some more HP tomorrow. so those ph test kits work? maybe i should get one of those too. ill keep you ladies posted on my progress! and thanks for responding so quickly!

soooosad: girl im right there with ya. if i gotta do this every day to keep my vag healthy, then so be it. im sick of not having a normal sex life, its affected my relationships and my self esteem. i just wanna be normal! i know you had smell probs like i did, are you getting any relief from your routine? you must be since you are having sex. im officially jealous. and youre right about those condoms! when i was younger and didnt know better i would continue to use them and my bv would come right back.... luckily i wasnt that sexually active so there would be long periods of relief in between treatment and sex. i feel bad for younger sexually active females who have this problem, we all know how mean teenage guys can be. i had a friend who had the meanest things said about her in this regard, and now im sure that she was suffering from chronic BV for all those years. its so unfair for any female to have to deal with the stigma of being "dirty" because of her BV when it has nothing to do with that!
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post Nov 6 2008, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(damselindistress @ Nov 6 2008, 10:32 AM) *
Well.....
I was told I had a mild case of BV, mild yeast issues, Group B, etc. I never had a smell, just yellow or thick or clumpy discharge and sometimes it would itch. I made up my own TTO suppositories and those worked, but it would come back. I've used garlic up there - also worked, but would come back. Finally, I started making up a hydrogen peroxide wash like was recommended on the gentlebirth website (there's a link on here by the way). I did this the day after I finished up my period, then started inserting the FemD vaginally and all has been well, no itch, no discharge, all good. Sometimes a little fluid/residue comes out of me, only once in a while, but I think it's just from the capsule b/c it's white and not at all itchy. I came to the conclusion that the yeast was causing most of my issues b/c I bought the PH test strips and my vagina was testing very low, like 5.0, meaning it WAS acidic, so probably not BV. I think I'm going to do the peroxide rinse after sex and after my period as a precaution and use a FemD capsule after the wash, just one and see what happens. So far, though, I'm thrilled!


wow!! i'm soo happy for you! i'm kinda doing something like you but instead of peroxide rinse, i'm doing boric acid. i might switch if need be. keep us posted! YAY for you again!!!!! wink.gif

btw.....i'm thinking that maybe if us ladies have tried everything and nothing works, this is probably the best thing to do so we can have a somewhat normal life. it takes time and effort but it's worth it to keep the symtoms away. maybe if we keep up with the routine then eventually the bad bacterial will die off for good and the good bacterial will stay around and flourish so we will have a normal vagina again!!!!

what i'm doing.....boric acid-1 capsule in the a.m. and one capsule at night to kill the bacteria, for about 4-5 days, then femd vaginally(2) at night for about 3-4 days and then repeat again. when my period comes i just do boric acid when the flow is lighter and i will do it for about 6-8 days instead of the normal 4-5 days. when i do the femd vaginally no discharge at all except for a little whitsh discharge in the middle of the next day but it's just for a little while and i believe that it's the capsule b/c it doesn't dissolve in the vagina ....of course. i also take femd orally in a.m. and p.m. and in the middle of the day i take nature's reuteri... this femd is espensive for real. hopefully i can go down after i feel like i'm totally bv free. i also use sylk and trojan ultra thin condoms when having sex.....don't use condoms with spermicide b/c it is not good for our sensative vaginas!!!!
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post Nov 6 2008, 10:32 AM
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so you didnt use flagyl or anything like that to kill the infection first? im asking because i did the same thing you seem to be doing up until i ran out of femd. so of course my symptoms came back. if you have only been using femd to treat thats really great that you have no symptoms. im correct in assuming your symptoms are completely gone right?.. i mean your discharge, smell, everything is totally back to normal, yes?

Well.....
I was told I had a mild case of BV, mild yeast issues, Group B, etc. I never had a smell, just yellow or thick or clumpy discharge and sometimes it would itch. I made up my own TTO suppositories and those worked, but it would come back. I've used garlic up there - also worked, but would come back. Finally, I started making up a hydrogen peroxide wash like was recommended on the gentlebirth website (there's a link on here by the way). I did this the day after I finished up my period, then started inserting the FemD vaginally and all has been well, no itch, no discharge, all good. Sometimes a little fluid/residue comes out of me, only once in a while, but I think it's just from the capsule b/c it's white and not at all itchy. I came to the conclusion that the yeast was causing most of my issues b/c I bought the PH test strips and my vagina was testing very low, like 5.0, meaning it WAS acidic, so probably not BV. I think I'm going to do the peroxide rinse after sex and after my period as a precaution and use a FemD capsule after the wash, just one and see what happens. So far, though, I'm thrilled!
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I've only used it through two periods now with success, but we'll see. I'm hoping to get down to using a pill vaginally for a few days after my menses and a pill after sex. Otherwise, I'll continue with my daily yogurt diet and perhaps a cheaper probiotic orally. The FemD once a day is an expensive habit! I'll let ya know if that regimen will be good enough or if it comes back!! Good luck!



so you didnt use flagyl or anything like that to kill the infection first? im asking because i did the same thing you seem to be doing up until i ran out of femd. so of course my symptoms came back. if you have only been using femd to treat thats really great that you have no symptoms. im correct in assuming your symptoms are completely gone right?.. i mean your discharge, smell, everything is totally back to normal, yes?
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