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kaylan80
post Aug 1 2012, 11:20 PM
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Hi Kvee,

I don;t think your boyfriend saying you smell is enough to know for sure what the problem is. How did your doctor diagnose you? i wouldn't worry about cranberry doing anything, I would worry that your home vaginal treatment is going to make the problem worse. I would make another appointment ASAP, have an exam and if you get antibiotics, get pills not a gel, and ask to have some for your boyfriend too. I think metro-gel gives a lot of problems with BV coming back, but try the antibiotics again and take them just as prescribed. IF you truely have BV you need to try medication a few times, it SHOULD clear it up. Good luck

Kayla

QUOTE(kvee @ Aug 1 2012, 12:45 PM) *
[b]Hello everyone.

I am not sure for how long I have been suffering from BV. My only symptom is the fishy smell. I have congenital anosmia (no sense of smell). My boyfriend told me a few months ago about the smell, made an appt with my gyno and she Rx Metro Gel, the smell went away from March til July. I am a stinker again. A few days ago, the boyfriend told me that he had noticed the smell since we started dating (3 years ago) but always connected it to sweat and hot climate. That's why I say that I have no idea for how long Ive been dealing with this, if none of my other partners before him thought much about it..

So, I do not really want to get on antibiotics again so Ive been doing research on this topic and it's humbling to see how many of us suffer from this, some are stories with happy endings and others no to much.

This is my second day on this home remedy ordeal.
I bought some cranberry pills ( cranberry is supposed to acts as a barrier to bacteria)
I also started introduced probiotics to my diet (Kefir and good ol' plain yogurt - make sure they have live cultures)
As a vaginal treatment. I bought cheap probiotics at walmart (non refrigerated) and pulverized them. Then I mixed them with this milk-based probiotic super liquid (Found in the vitamin refrigerated section at Sprouts). Made I paste and applied it with the applicator I got with the MetroGel.

I am wondering, though.. if I am doing something stupid here. I am taking cranberry ( which is a barrier to all bacteria?) and then introducing bacteria.. that might not stay in because of the cranberry.

My question is, does cranberry works for good and bad bacteria. I am aware that BV is an imbalance of bacteria, and the bad boys are taking ove
Thank you much!
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post Aug 1 2012, 12:45 PM
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[b]Hello everyone.

I am not sure for how long I have been suffering from BV. My only symptom is the fishy smell. I have congenital anosmia (no sense of smell). My boyfriend told me a few months ago about the smell, made an appt with my gyno and she Rx Metro Gel, the smell went away from March til July. I am a stinker again. A few days ago, the boyfriend told me that he had noticed the smell since we started dating (3 years ago) but always connected it to sweat and hot climate. That's why I say that I have no idea for how long Ive been dealing with this, if none of my other partners before him thought much about it..

So, I do not really want to get on antibiotics again so Ive been doing research on this topic and it's humbling to see how many of us suffer from this, some are stories with happy endings and others no to much.

This is my second day on this home remedy ordeal.
I bought some cranberry pills ( cranberry is supposed to acts as a barrier to bacteria)
I also started introduced probiotics to my diet (Kefir and good ol' plain yogurt - make sure they have live cultures)
As a vaginal treatment. I bought cheap probiotics at walmart (non refrigerated) and pulverized them. Then I mixed them with this milk-based probiotic super liquid (Found in the vitamin refrigerated section at Sprouts). Made I paste and applied it with the applicator I got with the MetroGel.

I am wondering, though.. if I am doing something stupid here. I am taking cranberry ( which is a barrier to all bacteria?) and then introducing bacteria.. that might not stay in because of the cranberry.

My question is, does cranberry works for good and bad bacteria. I am aware that BV is an imbalance of bacteria, and the bad boys are taking ove


Thank you much!
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iwillsurvive
post Jun 26 2012, 10:52 AM
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I have been dealing with this imbalance for over 12 years! Just two years ago I researched the boric acid and it cleared up for about a year. I used y. arrest and it worked but when they changed the formula--it now does not work. I make my own boric acid suppositories & just last week I started using a liquid acidophilus filling suppositories up with it and using it along with my boric acid. After using the boric acid alone for 3 weeks(it cleared up after 3 days on the boric acid)but two days after I stopped it came back. So I restarted again this time including the acidophilus & garlic pills. I was inserting the acidophilus suppositories during the day & orally taking it with meals. Then at night the boric acid suppositories. Did this for another week. So a total of 4 weeks this time around. After a few days I smell the ammonia coming back and that alerts me that my bv is about to begin again. So I am starting back... AGAIN! The thing with chronic bv is that (well how I feel about it ) is that you will always have to monitor it and get on a maintenance program. Like dieting. As a matter of fact I know sugar can affect bv negatively but also vitamin deficiencies can make you susceptible to chronic bv. I am still researching methods & also checking into my own vitamin deficiencies .... Still after all these years. I do not want to smell unpleasant around the one I love or anyone even myself! I really hate hate dealing with this and worrying about it. The fishy smell used to be so so so bad. Like when I workout not even a bulky pad could mask the stink but I have to be thankful that at least I can control it before it gets that far but I cannot even be off the boric acid for too long(like two days) before the smell starts. Chronic ! I hate this with a passion! I am still experimenting. I cannot use any of the perioxide stuff because it burns(didnt work anyways). I think they say if we are low in zinc we may be setting ourselves up for chronic bv but if you researching other vitamins they list others too. I have learned more about my condition in the past two months. Really it should be called an imbalance and you cannot treat with only antibiotics. Antibiotics kill off good bacteria(I dont know how much) but thats kinda defeating the purpose of the vagina in need of good bacteria. I also can state that my diet has been the best in years.... I do low carbs (under 30 mg per day) & no bread or pasta no wheat. I drink 140 + ounces of water per day and have been for the last 6 months. So I can rule out my diet being a contributor of this chronic bv. Just keep on tweeking your maintenance program or get on one and also keep researching other methods. I have never had my ph checked I may do that too just so I can know what it is. Just keep on keeping on. I wished that the y.a I used before never had changed their formula. It cleared up my bv for months. The boric acid I use know is what you get at the pharmacy but maybe it is just not strong enough for me like the y.a was. I hate that! I will keep trying so should you all. I will keep you informed of my progress and also the treatments I am using. If more details are needed I will provide them for anyone. If anyone has any questions that I can answer from my experience of this chronic bv I will be more than happy to answer them. By the way even though I am somewhat controlling my bv with the boric acid I still never got rid of the slight brown discharge. So that gives me a hint that this boric acid may be too weak for me because with the original formula of the y.a it cleared up the odor and discharge. Also, it left me dry! I missed that formula. I am thinking not all boric acid strengths are alike.

UPDATE: I called the pharmacy and asked if there is a such thing as prescription strength boric acid or if some people do better with a different brand. She totally missed my question. She states that there are 400 or 600 mg suppository capsules that they can make for customers. I checked the MSDS and it states what I have is nearly 100% boric acid then that is what you get. I wonder if it is true that boric acid can maybe deplete the good bacteria and or maybe I need to develop a better boric acid & probiotic system. Like I stated earlier the y.a worked (the old formula) and kept the bv away for a while. This boric acid I am using(I bought it off of Ebay) Humco seems not to be working for me in that it only works when I am taking it but as soon as I am off of it within two days bv ammonia smell starts coming back. I have to do a lot of trial in error with maybe some other products.
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post Jun 25 2012, 08:58 PM
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Girl, YES, ten plus years. It started out with a rotten stench, then became fishy, then musty, now its Sourdough/ trash. Gosh, gotta get a check up soon but yeah, i've been chronic and its returned and yes it may began to be chronic again.



I have been dealing with this imbalance for over 12 years! Just two years ago I researched the boric acid and it cleared up for about a year. I used y. arrest and it worked but when they changed the formula--it now does not work. I make my own boric acid suppositories & just last week I started using a liquid acidophilus filling suppositories up with it and using it along with my boric acid. After using the boric acid alone for 3 weeks(it cleared up after 3 days on the boric acid)but two days after I stopped it came back. So I restarted again this time including the acidophilus & garlic pills. I was inserting the acidophilus suppositories during the day & orally taking it with meals. Then at night the boric acid suppositories. Did this for another week. So a total of 4 weeks this time around. After a few days I smell the ammonia coming back and that alerts me that my bv is about to begin again. So I am starting back... AGAIN! The thing with chronic bv is that (well how I feel about it ) is that you will always have to monitor it and get on a maintenance program. Like dieting. As a matter of fact I know sugar can affect bv negatively but also vitamin deficiencies can make you susceptible to chronic bv. I am still researching methods & also checking into my own vitamin deficiencies .... Still after all these years. I do not want to smell unpleasant around the one I love or anyone even myself! I really hate hate dealing with this and worrying about it. The fishy smell used to be so so so bad. Like when I workout not even a bulky pad could mask the stink but I have to be thankful that at least I can control it before it gets that far but I cannot even be off the boric acid for too long(like two days) before the smell starts. Chronic ! I hate this with a passion! I am still experimenting. I cannot use any of the perioxide stuff because it burns(didnt work anyways). I think they say if we are low in zinc we may be setting ourselves up for chronic bv but if you researching other vitamins they list others too. I have learned more about my condition in the past two months. Really it should be called an imbalance and you cannot treat with only antibiotics. Antibiotics kill off good bacteria(I dont know how much) but thats kinda defeating the purpose of the vagina in need of good bacteria. I also can state that my diet has been the best in years.... I do low carbs (under 30 mg per day) & no bread or pasta no wheat. I drink 140 + ounces of water per day and have been for the last 6 months. So I can rule out my diet being a contributor of this chronic bv. Just keep on tweeking your maintenance program or get on one and also keep researching other methods. I have never had my ph checked I may do that too just so I can know what it is. Just keep on keeping on. I wished that the y.a I used before never had changed their formula. It cleared up my bv for months. The boric acid I use know is what you get at the pharmacy but maybe it is just not strong enough for me like the y.a was. I hate that! I will keep trying so should you all. I will keep you informed of my progress and also the treatments I am using. If more details are needed I will provide them for anyone. If anyone has any questions that I can answer from my experience of this chronic bv I will be more than happy to answer them. By the way even though I am somewhat controlling my bv with the boric acid I still never got rid of the slight brown discharge. So that gives me a hint that this boric acid may be too weak for me because with the original formula of the y.a it cleared up the odor and discharge. Also, it left me dry! I missed that formula. I am thinking not all boric acid strengths are alike.
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kaylan80
post Jun 21 2012, 06:33 PM
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Yeah i have all that, the fishy smell mostly. the last time i went to the doc was probably the worst mine had gotten, high ph, lots of bacteria, she said i had almost no good bacteria. I took anti-bs but after my period it came back strong again, this is definitely chronic bv... sigh any ideas on ways to control the smell or discharge. I don't think antibiotics are going to work for me right now
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post Jun 20 2012, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(kaylan80 @ Jun 19 2012, 12:02 AM) *
omg ten years that is awful! I'm worried that my bv has become chronic, I've been dealing with it for almost a year, and have been treated several times and now had about 4 recurrences. How do you tell chronic BV from a regular infection??

Girl, YES, ten plus years. It started out with a rotten stench, then became fishy, then musty, now its Sourdough/ trash. Gosh, gotta get a check up soon but yeah, i've been chronic and its returned and yes it may began to be chronic again.
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post Jun 18 2012, 07:02 PM
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So Gosh, I must have jinxed myself cause today i smelled kinda sourdough. Sheesh so I did a finger check and it wasnt good. mind you i just went through 10years of chronic bv. now its coming back. ughhhhhhh.........


omg ten years that is awful! I'm worried that my bv has become chronic, I've been dealing with it for almost a year, and have been treated several times and now had about 4 recurrences. How do you tell chronic BV from a regular infection??
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post Jun 16 2012, 10:23 PM
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So Gosh, I must have jinxed myself cause today i smelled kinda sourdough. Sheesh so I did a finger check and it wasnt good. mind you i just went through 10years of chronic bv. now its coming back. ughhhhhhh.........
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kaylan80
post Jun 14 2012, 07:59 AM
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Hey everyone,

I'm super frustrated at the moment, my current episode of bv is really bad and is not going away. I've had it several times now,and each time it gets worse and harder to treat sad.gif I've been trying yogurt directly in the vagina and taking supplements, also washing with hydrogen peroxide. but it hasnt worked and now I feel like such a mess with all these treatments on top of my regular bv issues.. can you reccommend something that has worked for you? Help! sad.gif
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LJS
post May 24 2012, 12:11 PM
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Varginia,
Yes, I do have BV. I was tested at my Gyno for STD's, yeast, and BV. Came out negative for everything except BV. I started having the symtoms again, so purchased the Femanol. I have been using it for 11 days, and am hoping it is not just wishful thinking but I believe I am just now starting to notice a positive change. Thank you.
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post May 14 2012, 08:33 AM
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LJS,

Just to be clear, Femanol is not my product but just one I recommend. Are you sure BV is your problem as it is normally accompanied by a fishy vaginal smell, although there are exceptions.

There are numerous causes of vaginal burning and if it is caused by Candida albicans or a bacterial imbalance it is a likely Femanol could help. However if it turns out to be a STD or hormonal issue then no.

Hope this helps.

Varginia,

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Varginia,
My main problem is the constant burn. I don't have the problem with odor. At least not so far. I had a hysterectomy at a young age and I don't know if that's why some of my symptoms were different or not. My daughter is 26 and also suffers from BV but has the more common symptoms. That's how mine got out of control at the beginning because I was misdiagnosed by 2 different doctors. I will keep the name of your probiotic as my body resists most medicines and also builds up a resistance to them very fast. Thanks for responding.
LJS

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Varginia,
My main problem is the constant burn. I don't have the problem with odor. At least not so far. I had a hysterectomy at a young age and I don't know if that's why some of my symptoms were different or not. My daughter is 26 and also suffers from BV but has the more common symptoms. That's how mine got out of control at the beginning because I was misdiagnosed by 2 different doctors. I will keep the name of your probiotic as my body resists most medicines and also builds up a resistance to them very fast. Thanks for responding.
LJS
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post May 6 2012, 03:48 PM
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LJS,

I have not tried the one you mentioned but have used a product called Femanol and was very pleased with the results. It took about a week to totally eliminate the odor but it started getting better in 3-4 days. I bought a 3 month supply and am almost done and I have no odor at all. I will order more just because I am scared to stop taking it as I have had this problem for almost a year and am so happy it is gone.

I just don't want to risk it coming back. Good luck to you, I know how this can mess with your mind.

Varginia,
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post May 5 2012, 07:47 PM
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I have been fighting a BV infection since January and even the Dr seems to have given up. Like everyone else the antibiotic gives me a yeast infection and shortly after that is gone the BV returns again anyway. The nurse said and this is exactly what she said "your vag is so F'd up, just don't put anything in it for 2 weeks. Nothing, don't even use soap to shower, just water. We don't know what else to do. Just see if it will clear up on it's own."

They had me using vaginal probiotics also. Well, I found one on my own that I thought I would pass along because it seems to be working. I was not waiting 2 weeks and doing nothing and finding out I would just get worse. This one is made by "Jarrow Formulas" called fem dophilus. You can purchase it at The Vitamin Shoppe but it is cheaper thru Amazon.com. I have to use way more than the recommened dosage. I am now taking 2 pills every 4 hours, but hope to cut back as I stabilize. It's been 2 weeks and no burn or other BV symptoms.
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post Apr 27 2012, 07:42 PM
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I know its been forever and ever since I have posted but as an update I am still BV free. Vh Essential BV capsules seem to work for me. I see they have additional follow up pills for BV now as well, I have not tried thise yet but I plan to. The line is Homeopathy so its not exactly a medicine, it just get your body to do it job to clear up the madness going on there.
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post Apr 26 2012, 05:26 PM
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I am back, and a week later.. with oral and vaginal colloidial silver.. I am better. like, all better. And BTW, to all the naysayers..are YOU medical doctors? No? well then my method is just as safe as yours. For all the new ladies, boric acid in your vagina, which is toxic taken internally is NOT any "safer" than a product that is non toxic to your entire body...I also have been using a peri bottle with betadine solution, just on the outside after I pee...anyways..one week later and my pussy is happy again! yayyyyy.. also, just wanted to say sugar is the worst thing for BV, for me...like..it's immediate almost..drink a soda (even a natural soda) and bam! itchy town. peace, love and non smelly vaginas!!
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I'm back after mentioning what worked for me and being shot down. After reading more I'm sorry I ever let ya'll make me think I'M NUTS for using colloidal silver to help with this problem. (I use it in my vagina as well as ingest it..it's not toxic unless you drink like an entire bottle at once or take tons for years and years, esp. Sovereign Silver, which I use. No one had mentioned, that I read at first when this was developing about using boric acid and that people who are allergic to sulfer and or sulfa drugs should not use it. God only knows what happens to THOSE unfortunate souls. When I ingest any amount of it I vomit for days, I can only imagine what it would do in "there".

Anyways, I'm back b/c I have it again after over a year without. It came back when I got food poisoning from shellfish. I thought that was super strange. Also, I'm pregnant and my midwife said I should use betadine. I'm going to try it this time b/c she is a wise woman too. Anyway, just wanted to say I been doing really good and stopped taking all the stuff I was taking but now I'm back on all of it and going to try new things, so so so glad I did not use the boric acid or hydrogen peroxide...I think silver is actually less scary and even it some of you don't agree (having not ever tried it. no less) and the OMG! people when you say that, a very trusted holistic Dr. friend told me to do it- he was right. Hell, I could not have a baby till I took a homeopathic remedy he gave me- he's totally awesome... I think it's a useful thing, esp. for those of us who ARE allergic to sulfer...and I'll let ya'll know how it goes with my same method, plus betadine.


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post Mar 19 2012, 07:39 PM
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I figured it out but thanks anyway lol. And thanks for everyones advice, I have high hopes for these home remedies & will make an update in a couple weeks.
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I just started taking folic acid & am going to test the apple cider vinegar bath & plain yogurt theories tonight & I just got boric acid but its in powder form so how would I use it? Any answers would be greatly appreciated! Oh btw I'm new @ this but Ive suffered from BV 3 times in the past 3 years & I dont want to take the antibiotics again since they're obviously a waste of time. Hope to hear from someone soon since the boric acid seems to help alot of women smile.gif
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Hi Swt Simplicity, from quick reading my chart, there is a way for a woman to find out what kind of bacteria that is in the vagina, but it only comes with the full culture. It is almost like a pie chart with the percentages of flora, what kind it is, and these boxes with describing the type of flora that's contained in the chart. For instance, my chart only showed a little bit of l. Gasseri, and the rest of it was blank, there was no other flora, showing a major imbalance. Have you gotten rid of your vaginosis? If so, how did you do it? I am currently on the nuvaring because it was suggested on this forum, and during my research I found that it probably would help to replenish the lactobacillus to the vagina. The only problem I have with it is that I really don't want to be on birth control anymore. I am 35, and I would like to have more children one day, and I don't see that happening with the birth control. At this point I am willing to try the estriol and progeseterone cream to see if I can balance things out on my own, because doctors have certainly been no help to me. I know they will give me grief if I ask them for hormones because of my age, but just like you said in your post, something is definitely not right on this end either. I have hair on my face, chin, a light mustache, I am sweating a lot more than I used to, and sometimes I get so musty, I smell like I've been working on a construction sight but only under my right arm, that's weird. On top of all that I have extreme vaginal odor, that I can't keep to myself. I overheard one of my co workers say that they can smell me from at least 25 yards away, that is so not cool. My periods are also jumping all over the calendar, something is amiss here, and honestly, I am at a loss about what to do. I have done everything that I know how to do, except the over the counter hormones. I will not take anymore antibiotics, my doctor even put me on low dose antibiotics to take every day, I will not do that because it's not helping, and I'm probably doing more harm than good to the rest of my body. As far as crazy goes, if I ever get over this, I don't need any help from them with mental help, I'll seek my own, because of everything this has taken away from me, I know some counsel will mor than likely do some good with me moving forward with my life. Ohh the horror!

The whole time I was dealing with the vaginal odor and discharge, I had a pH of about 4.4 and 4.5. My gynecologist even stated that my lactobacilli were normal. One day she swabbed me "around that time of the month" and she noticed strange yeasts in my cultures. It wasn't until I was doing regular boric acid suppositories that my flora was gone and she didn't see anything "swimming" under the microscope. The boric acid also helped kill what ever bacteria or yeast was causing the odor. I think in my case, I had a good amount of bacteria, but I also had a decent amount of yeast or bacteria that was causing trouble. What really helped was taking RepHresh Pro-B everyday (even though it's super expensive). The fact that the odor dissipated when I took the RepHresh Pro-B everyday proved that it was some kind of microflora imbalance.

I think my vaginitis could also have to do with the fact that I have an intestinal imbalance (IBS) as well. Some women with IBS have developed bacterial vaginosis or various vaginal infections around the time they developed IBS. It makes sense since the bacteria that makes up the vaginal flora descends from the small intestine.

My vaginal odor would change throughout the month---one day it would be musty, another day it would be stale, the next day it could be more fecal smelling, regardless of the fact that I was really hygenic and did everything that I could possibly do. I also noticed that the smell of my vaginal odor would change depending on what I ate. Sugar would cause a musty smell, milk would cause a sort of fishy smell, bread would cause a stale and musty smell ... I didn't have trouble with vegetables, meat or whole grains like oatmeal etc. Certain fruits would also cause a musty smell as well because most fruits are high in fructose (with the exception of citrus fruits and berries). Fructose is basically another word for sugar. Sugar often makes IBS worse because it causes an overgrowth of harmful bacteria in the small intestine because most fruits have a higher fructose to glucose ration. If the ratio of glucose to fructose is equal, then there won't be any digestive upsets, but if the ratio of fructose is higher, it goes to the small intestine where it wreaks havoc in people with IBS.

So, I have changed the way I eat. I limit my intake of FODMAPS (sugars). It's nearly impossible to eliminate all FODMAPS, but most people can handle a reasonable amount without getting a reaction such as bloating, cramping ect. That alone made a huge difference in my wellbeing, IBS and vaginal health. It seems like my IBS was causing all of the trouble which in turn caused a vaginal imbalance. Maybe I wasn't getting the bacteria I needed because of what was going on.

I feel as though I'm not producing enough estrogen. Just like you, I'm sort of "hairy" in the wrong places. My parents aren't hairy people, and all of the women in my family (with the exception of my aunt with her hairy legs) have virtually unnoticable amounts of body hair compared to me ... hairy legs, arms, fine hair on my back, a moustache etc. It's not like a case of hypertrichosis but I would say it's more hair than is typical on a female.

I also do experience a musty odor, especially if I feel very hot, but eliminating bread from my diet has controlled this considerably, but after I cool off, the odor goes away. Most of the odor is coming from my groin area, but I also think it's coming from my other apocrine glands (under arms maybe). The interesting thing is, even when I'm really hot, I rarely sweat, and if I do, it's in small amounts. I always thought this was unusual. I stay hydrated on water throughout the day, yet I'm still not able to sweat much ... it kind of makes me wonder.

My periods are regular, although, they are about 22 days apart, which seems pretty close in my opinion.

I plan on consulting with an endocrinologist in the future. I'm pretty sure I'm not producing enough hormones. I can assume I'll go on a low estrogen pill.
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Is the NuvaRing helping you become more regular? Doing hormonal treatments/remedies on your own can cause trouble simply because hormones play such a huge role in the body, and too much of a certain hormone can cause problems ... maybe increase your risk of certain reproductive cancers. Sometimes you only need small trace amounts (parts per billion) of a hormone in order to get things working properly.


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