[kittenb]

I just loved that the first thing Danielle said to her daughter was "Let's tie your father up."

[zillahgirl]

Aw, that sucks. I could hardly watch it--drowning terrifies me.

[zillahgirl]

I think that Naomi said that she had been sent by Penny to find Desmond. Yeah, because she specifically said that she hadn't been sent for the 815 survivors since the world thought that they were dead; she said she was there for Desmond.

My friend actually called it being a flash-forward, but he was really surprised to be right! I was going to say something when I saw Jack's cellphone, but I thought I would have just been being nit picky, so I didn't. Darn! I could have called it!

I wondered why Charlie didn't run out of the room too, but I think that he had accepted dying, really, and that he still believed in Desmond's vision: he drowns so that Claire and Aaron can be saved.

I really hope that Claire finds Charlie's ring, or that will be really sad, especially since Desmond dived in the water and ruined Charlie's list!

[erinjane]

I liked that theory, daisyjane, but I feel like it doesn't quite work now with last nights episode.

[mermaidgirl13]

The dad thing threw me off too. With the prescription, I figure he was just making that up to cover himself, but when he asked for his dad at the hospital, that's just weird. Maybe it does have to do with time travel and that has him all messed up?

When we realized it was a flash forward, it was really chilling and devastatingly sad.

We got mad because Charlie thought he had to die and so he let himsefl die to save Desmond, but it seems like he could have run out the door and closed it, right? Or does it not close from the outside?

I figured that Penny just had something set up so that something would indicate to her that something had changed and she could run over to her TV. It's far-fetched, but I didn't have brain space to think too much about that.

I loved how Ben was all, "Alex, this is your mother." It's weird how he nonchalantly decides to reveal things he's worked hard to conceal.

I assume the funeral was Ben's. And I guess that means Kate is with Sawyer, huh? I wonder if they have a baby. I wonder if Jack and Kate ever get together at all.

Did Naomi ever say she was from Penny's boat or did they just assume it because she had a photo of Penny?

[zillahgirl]

Because my brain works this way, I was all "Wait, so young Ben ostensibly met Richard years ago, and Richard hasn't aged. Mikhail survives just about every attempt to kill him, AFTER having been fatally injured....are the Others immortal or something?"

I was going to say that maybe Jack was just so drugged up that he was babbling at the hospital, but then I remembered that he tried to use his dad's prescription pad at the pharmacy. I can see forgetting in a drugged state that your dad is dead (and that would explain why the other doctor looked so confused), but why would he do something as stupid as use a dead man's name at a pharmacy? I mean, lying that "Oh Dad, you wrote it, you just forgot!" or something like that is a far cry from the pharmacist hearing "Dr. Christian Shepard's been dead for a year!".

And why was Penny calling?

[DaisyJane]

Seriously zillah. W....T......F.....

Youre right! Jacks dad IS dead! And did that tell us that within the next three years, jack OR kate will not die?

I was confused when I saw Jacks ex wife pregnant. I was like "huh? When did that happen?"

I dont even know where to start with last night. Something is up with Mikhail, because no one gets electrocuted by a uber fence, AND shot with a harpoon THROUGH THE CHEST! And be well enough to swim, smile, pull a grenade, and swim away.
Something is up with him.

And what are the chances of Pennys transmition being at JUST the right time? Especially if shes not on the boat out there?


Grrr I wonder whos funeral...

[zillahgirl]

I....I....


WHAT???


I still can't deal with everything that happened last night.

Question, though: If the flashbacks were really the future, then why did Jack tell the other doctor to go and get his dad? His dad is dead, yo. Right? Right?


Poor Charlie. And who was Naomi then, anyway? Who's coming to get them? Was that Walt or the Smoke Monster? What is up with Mikhail never dying?

[kittenb]

Wow. Time travel makes my head hurt.

Thanks!

[waves_of_splendo...]

Does anyone happen to know anything about the Lost "special" they're showing tonight right before the finale? I tried looking on abc.com, but I couldn't find anything about it. Is it the same "Answers" thing they showed last Thursday? :confused:

[DaisyJane]

Ahhh! Im back! My work blocked bust.com all last week for some fucked up reason and now its back. So now guarantees Ill be back permanently.

ANYWAY. Ill post my theory on the time travel thing right now. Its in white. [/color] So it may be hard to explain over email, cause i use my hands alot when I explained it to my friends.
Back in the 50s there was a real life organization that sounds ALOT like Dharma in Lost. They had some of the same experiments with animals and fertility and everything. They were also attempting to create a 'time machine'. SO, if we think that Dharma is based off of this real life group, we can asume they are attempting to build a time machine. But not technically a time machine, but more of a 'reality splitter'. It would split time, create two alternate universes and realities. Which would explain ALOT. But you can only go 'back in time' to when you created the time machine in the first place. So think of it as two parallel pieces of string. One reality where there is the time machine and another of the exact same time. If you were to 'reset' the first reality in which the time machine was created, that first reality would be going back and being reset every 108 minutes. Therefore, while the second reality is moving along, the first one doesnt really go anywhere. Over time, every 108 minutes, you would make a wide gap between the two realities.

this sounds really hokey I know, but heres how it explains everything. What happens if your plane crashes halfway between one reality and another? What if your plane crashes in the first 'reset' reality? Well, what would happen is, you get un-paralized, you can 'see' the future (because its already really happened in the 2nd reality). It would explain how Richard didnt age AT ALL between Ben being 12 years old and ben being 40. The reason babies die is because if the first reality is say, 10 years behind the second one (because of the 108 minute reseting) that baby technically does not exsist. I wouldnt be able to go back in time 5 years, and get pregnant because in the real reality, I dont have a child. Nature is 'fixing' this problem.

If Charlie is going to die, NO MATTER WHAT, as Desmond says, its because in the real future, he does not exsist. He died and you cant change that by going back in time.

It also explains why that girl says they all died on the plane. She says they FOUND their bodies. Remember "oh yea, you were that rockstar they found dead" Thats because they really did die. They all died in the 'real' reality but since they are actually exsisting in the first reality that has been reset, they are alive.

[color="#000000"] So anyways. Thats the theory. It sounds kind of crazy and a little too complicated for mainstream TV. But again, my disclaimer, its NOT my theory. Its just one I read that makes alot of sense.
I hope its semi-clear. I got 3 horus of sleep last night and may be just babbling.

[waves_of_splendo...]

edie--I guess Nadia showed up in Locke's flashback where his dad's in trouble with the mob, too... I read about it on EW.com's recap of the Charlie episode (Doc Jensen has a theory that Nadia might be an important connection, since she's showed up a lot in flashbacks). I've been wracking my brain, but I can't come up with who she was in that flashback. Does anyone know/remember?

This episode absolutely killed me. I've loved Charlie from the start (though we had some trouble when he went batshit crazy at the end of season 1), so I was crying steadily throughout, totally believing he would be dead by the end. I re-watched a few episodes from season 2 this weekend, including Everybody Hates Hugo, where Hurley handed out all the food from the hatch, including some peanut butter for Charlie and Claire...I even got a little choked up watching Charlie surprise her with the jar of pb... Okay, I'm a saddo, I accept that. ::sigh::

[edie52]

I kinda doubt that we'll lose Charlie... it's too predictable. The fact that Desmond tried to go down instead of him seems fishy, like Blanche was saying. And with those 2 surprise babes-with-guns, it seems as though it may not go as planned.

I heard that we are going to lose an important character before the season's end, though; maybe it'll happen in the showdown on the beach.

Was that Nadia in Charlie's flashback (who called him a hero)? I'll hop over to Lostpedia to find out...

Yes, appartently that was Nadia. I would never catch half of these details if it weren't for the comments of the people I watch it with (and Lostpedia, of course...)

[kittenb]

DaisyJane, I want to hear your time travel theory. If you want to write it in a spoiler safe way, write it in white.
There was a nice little article on Dominic and Charlie's possible demise in this weeks Entertainment Weekly. It seems that we just might loose him...

[sassygrrl]

I'm very sad about Charlie too...which is weird, because I totally hated his character to begin with.

Kittenb, I was totally thinking of Twin Peaks as well... LOL.

[mermaidgirl13]

On Lostpedia, they have this comparison between Jacob and Locke because apparently a lot of other people thought the same. Jacob was played by a crew member, though. Which leads me to believe we won't be seeing much of him, or they'd have hired an actual actor to play him.

DaisyJane I'd love to hear your theory! Message me if you feel like it.

I'm torn between whether I want this to all have perfectly logical explanations, or whether I want it to be some awesome out-there sci-fi thing. I have no idea how they'd logically explain it all but it'd be interesting.

So, with the people in the Looking Glass underwater sea lab... I guess Ben was lying to Juliette when he told her no one was there anymore, huh? Doesn't seem like it'd be worth it for Juliette to lie to the survivors about it, does it?

KittenB, love your comment about Ben becoming leader via staring contest.

[tart]

Oh man. OK, so I admit it - I got all misty at the Charlie crap. WTH, Lost - somehow I ended up giving a rats arse about that whiny punk, despite his seemingly endless supply of Sharpie chiches.

[erinjane]

Usually they credit characters right away on IMDB, but Jacob wasn't listed in the cast. It's a mystery.

[DaisyJane]

Im not going to ruin anyone fun with the show but I have a very good idea regarding time travel/parallel universes. It explains the dying baby thing, Lockes ability to walk, Richards non-aging.

I dont think Jacob is Locke with a wig. The nose was bublous-ier.

Im too tired to write much...

[kittenb]

My sci-fi lovin' geekgirl heart just went pitter-pat over that episode. I finally was able to watch it on ABC.com.

I think that Richard, the ageless guy, being one of the origonal inhabitants of the island is somehow immortal. Or some varition of an extremely long-lived person. That would explain the amazing healing abilities of the island as well as the whole sperm issue.
Now, how Ben became the leader of a bunch of immortal-types, I have no idea. Unless it was a staring contest or something.

It seemed apparent that Ben, while afraid of Jacob, had some sort of power over him/it/whatever. (Did anyone else get shades of Twin Peak's BOB with the whole Jacob thing?). Ben was able to stop the supernatural temper tantrum.

Ben's fear made me think of a great Buffy line: "Generally speaking, when scary things get scared, that's bad."