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> Bacterial Vaginosis--or--embarrassing bad smell
JoanClayton
post Feb 29 2008, 07:47 PM
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Hey Ladies,

I got my FemDolphilus in the mail from Swanson, it was not in ice. I havent opened it yet. It says it needs to be refridgerated. Is that before or after I open it?
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post Feb 29 2008, 07:14 AM
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lilmiss ........the "your ex is an ass" comment was for you (I don't know maybe cynthia's ex is as ass too but that is not who I was speaking about lol)
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post Feb 29 2008, 07:14 AM
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lilmiss ........the "your ex is an ass" comment was for you (I don't know maybe cynthia's ex is as ass too but that is not who I was speaking about lol)
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post Feb 29 2008, 07:10 AM
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QUOTE(cynthia_k @ Feb 28 2008, 09:39 PM) *
Oh yeah, I also tried to reduce my sugar intake and I started taking folic acid supplements and vitamin c...


I agree your ex is an ass..........I was on birth control pills for 15 years never had a problem. (other than I was dry dry dry) I had a mirnea(not sure of spelling sorry) IUD (loved my IUD!) for 5 years had to have a new once placed every five years. At the time I had a new one placed my husband was cheating I ended up with BV. I was tested several times for STD's Always came back negative. The infection spread to my uterus and I demanded the IUD be taken out even though everything I read said that it didn't need to be taken out. Even though the BV sucks having it go into you uterus and tubes is worse. I am not on any birth control now but still fighting the BV. But it is only the vag issuses I am dealing with now not the uterus and tube issues.

I have tried to read everything I can and my GYN has tried to look up things as well he and I neither one are sure but here are the two main reasons most likely caused the BV:

1. Even though I was with only one partner (in 15 years) my husband was with other women and some of their bacteria might have been transferred to me (I know gross!!!!!)
2. I had a new IUD placed, there is a higher rate of women having symptoms of BV right after an IUD is placed.

whatever the reason I am just posting this because I have seen that a lot of women have an IUD (damn I miss my IUD I never had periods or hormonal swings lol)
keep in mind that if you start having signs of PID you need to be checked. I could not get rid of these symptoms until I had IUD taken out.

BTW.....because of what I read on here I ordered yeast arrest and the boric acid I will try one and then the other later and I went to local walgreens and found a B complex that I can take 2 of a day trying that with the folic acid I also picked up a bottle of sylk because I smell fine UNTIL I am in the middle of sex and then suddenly the whole room smells like dead fish and it looks like snot coming out of me (sorry I know it is graphic) so maybe the sylk will help with that as well

thanks guys for the info this is a great forum

damn i wrote a novel .............sorry I ramble a bit
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neverending
post Feb 29 2008, 01:02 AM
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Ok, I said I would do this by Friday. I don't know how to upload pictures, so if someone knows how to upload pictures please teach me so I can be of better service to you all.

Ok first microscope:

I found this on ebay. This is like the microscope we used in the lab. Try to ask whoever you buy the microscope from to place the instructions with the microscope because these are very tricky to work with. You have to make sure the microscope is on certain levels to be able to view the slide correctly.It's not hard, you'll learn fairly quickly. Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-Microscope_W0QQi...1QQcmdZViewItem

This one is very good and seems very easy to use.
http://cgi.ebay.com/TEACHING-MICROSCOPE-DU...1QQcmdZViewItem

This one should be good also: http://cgi.ebay.com/Advanced-Trinocular-Co...1QQcmdZViewItem

Ok, enough of microscopes. Here's things you need to know.
First you need to know what a wet mount is:
* http://health.yahoo.com/sexualhealth-diagn...se--hw6026.html

This is how you do a wet prep.
* http://www.infojustice.com/samples/52%20Va...Wet%20Preps.htm

* http://www.ecologycenter.org/tfs/images/20...l/wet_mount.jpg



Things you will need while doing this :
*Long q-tips with the wooden tips if your infection is high up or you can use the regular kind but make sure it's not the cheap ones because they will come off in your vajayjay(the cotton on the end) and you don't want that.
*If you can get saline, that's fine, but if you can't make sure it's pure water not tap water.
*You will need slides and the little glass that goes on top

This is the yeast i'm use to seeing. The yeast will be very shiny. Like an egg and it will form a tree as far as the budding goes.
* http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/mycology/yeast1q.jpg
Sometimes you can see yeast and bv at the same time so look for both. If you do have both then boric acid should help wipe both out since it works for both bv and yeast.

Here is a slide of Trich. Notice the flagella coming out of the organism. These will be moving bbut of course you all know that from the youtube video that I posted.
* http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...0US251%26sa%3DN
Youtube video of Trich:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RKDBd8Dpp0

Ok, last but not least, this is a slide of BV
* http://www.mjbovo.com/Contracept/STD-Gard.jpg
* http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...0US251%26sa%3DN
* http://depts.washington.edu/nnptc/online_t...s/cluecells.jpg
* http://www.bu.edu/cme/std/images/slide1-vwp_g420.jpg

Let me know if you need more info.
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cynthia_k
post Feb 28 2008, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE(cynthia_k @ Feb 28 2008, 09:37 PM) *
Well, I had my annual exam with my gyn about three weeks after I first started using the BA inserts and she actually gave me a clear check up (no BV!) for the first time in over a year. I had been in there to see her at least 5 times for the recurring BV, so I was shocked when it seemed to be gone. I actually asked her about the boric acid and she told me that she didn't recommend it, after which I admitted that I had already been using it. Funny, nothing she prescribed had helped at all.

I still get signs of the smell after sex or before my period, but the BA capsules seem to knock it out. I think "curing" it is a matter of making the vagina inhospitable to bad bacteria at the same time as you replace the good (hence, the femdoph).

Hope this helps... I can only say that it's working for me!


Oh yeah, I also tried to reduce my sugar intake and I started taking folic acid supplements and vitamin c...
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cynthia_k
post Feb 28 2008, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(i @ Feb 28 2008, 12:06 AM) *
Ok so here is my plan. I am going to continue with the MG until I see the Dr at the end of March. In the mean time, I ordered the Sylk and I am going to go to whole foods tomorrow and get some Femndoph. I am going to take B6 and garlic everyday and I am switching to just water to try to cut some of the sugar out of my diet. I am also thinking about doing to TTO in the empty caps maybe 2 times a week. I love TTO for everything else but I never thought to use if for the BV. I do have one question about the BA. I did try using it before I saw the specialist but as soon as I stopped the odor came back. Does the BA actually help to get rid of the BV or does it just get rid of the smell?

Anything else I should be taking??


Well, I had my annual exam with my gyn about three weeks after I first started using the BA inserts and she actually gave me a clear check up (no BV!) for the first time in over a year. I had been in there to see her at least 5 times for the recurring BV, so I was shocked when it seemed to be gone. I actually asked her about the boric acid and she told me that she didn't recommend it, after which I admitted that I had already been using it. Funny, nothing she prescribed had helped at all.

I still get signs of the smell after sex or before my period, but the BA capsules seem to knock it out. I think "curing" it is a matter of making the vagina inhospitable to bad bacteria at the same time as you replace the good (hence, the femdoph).

Hope this helps... I can only say that it's working for me!
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post Feb 28 2008, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE(LilMissStrange @ Feb 29 2008, 05:22 AM) *
Hi everyone I'm a new poster to this thread so I apologize if I am repeating something or I have missed something.
I JUST had a somewhat upsetting conversation with an ex who told me that he hardly ever went down on me when we were going out because I smelled bad down there. I was with him for 6 years and during that time I went through so many different types of birthcontrol (Pill, ring, patch, but mostly I was on Depo).
My previous BF loved going down on me and told me I tasted great, but I wasn't on birthcontrol with him. Since the last boy and I broke up (over a year ago) I've been off hormonal birthcontrol and have since gotten a copper IUD. I've just started seeing someone after a year of no sex and now I am freaking out that if he goes down on me he'll think that I smell/taste terrible.
I try and check myself and I *think* that it's usually smells ok....although after a day of activity it's understandably not so good. But now I'm wondering if it's even possible to be able to tell yourself? Is it possible that the hormonal birthcontrol was the culprit? When I was on the hormones I had a hard time getting wet (read never!) but now it happens all the time when Im aroused, could that help with the smell?
I'm sorry for the rambling post, I'm just really upset about what he said (and the fact that I haven't had oral in years tongue.gif).
Thanks for any help/advice you can give!



I agree with neverending!.....your ex is a total D*** and well rid-of, darl. And I'm sorry, but a life without oral is simply TOO high a price to pay methinks, just because medical researchers can't be bothered/are unable to.... find a cure. mad.gif

Personally, I can recommend douching with a mild solution of TTO 24 hours or so before prospective sex..... that should deal with the odour problem on the day. And again, douching the day after sex, etc. You'd soon work out the best routine for you, depending on the pattern of your sex life. If is sounds too complicated, believe me it's not, it's easy to incorporate into your daily routine, right at the end of your shower. Just keep the TTO and douch handy next to the shower. It only takes a couple of minutes to do. I use a capful of TTO mixed with a about 2 litres of body temp water.

I think I posted last time that for me, the triggers of BV are semen, stress, using soap down there (although haven't tried Dial....a doctor once told me never to use soap down there, as you just don't need to), and diet......HOWEVER I missed THE one most obvious cause (IMO), which is of course HORMONES. It makes sense that the treatments we've all mentioned work on the SYMPTOMS, but not the CAUSE of the BV. Therefore (as suggested by another poster) I've decided to give the vitamin B6 (100mg a day) a try and see how it goes. If all it takes is a simple capsule a day, I'll be more than happy with that!

Anyway, good luck as always y'all and keep up the great work. wink.gif
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post Feb 28 2008, 03:43 PM
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I do them but not religiously. Yes, I' not as JJ (juicy juice) as when I was a youngin. Singing "how dry I am...hiccup! " laugh.gif I'm in menopause.

QUOTE(neverending @ Feb 28 2008, 02:21 PM) *
Have you ever tried Kegal excersice. That should help. As far as lubricate I use sylk . Do you have dry vag issues too? or do you use it for other purposes?

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post Feb 28 2008, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE(LilMissStrange @ Feb 28 2008, 07:22 PM) *
Hi everyone I'm a new poster to this thread so I apologize if I am repeating something or I have missed something.
I JUST had a somewhat upsetting conversation with an ex who told me that he hardly ever went down on me when we were going out because I smelled bad down there. I was with him for 6 years and during that time I went through so many different types of birthcontrol (Pill, ring, patch, but mostly I was on Depo).
My previous BF loved going down on me and told me I tasted great, but I wasn't on birthcontrol with him. Since the last boy and I broke up (over a year ago) I've been off hormonal birthcontrol and have since gotten a copper IUD. I've just started seeing someone after a year of no sex and now I am freaking out that if he goes down on me he'll think that I smell/taste terrible.
I try and check myself and I *think* that it's usually smells ok....although after a day of activity it's understandably not so good. But now I'm wondering if it's even possible to be able to tell yourself? Is it possible that the hormonal birthcontrol was the culprit? When I was on the hormones I had a hard time getting wet (read never!) but now it happens all the time when Im aroused, could that help with the smell?
I'm sorry for the rambling post, I'm just really upset about what he said (and the fact that I haven't had oral in years tongue.gif).
Thanks for any help/advice you can give!

1. He was with you for 6yrs. so you couldn't have smelled that bad. What an asshole!
2.Birth control, in my opinion, causes BV. I never had problems with my body until I started birth control.
3. If your freaked out about the way you taste/smell, why don't you shower before sex with your partner or if you can't why don't you carry around wet wipes. That way you can freshen up before sex.
4.Yes, you can tell yourself. Some women smell like sea water, sea salt, slightly vingerish,etc(normal smell). If you don't smell like cheese,shit,dough,ammonia,fish, &crab. Your fine. If you can't smell anything then your pretty much fine.
5.I'm off estrogen lowering birth control (i'm on the nuvaring now which boosts estrogen) but I still have dry vag issues and I refuse to do more estrogen. So your not the only one hormones have messed up. As far as getting wet when your aroused, I would think it helps with the so called smell you have or the smell you think you have. If you don't smell anything, others don't either. Don't be paranoid because of an asshole. smile.gif
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post Feb 28 2008, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(JJ27 @ Feb 28 2008, 05:46 PM) *
You guys keep talking about the smell but does anyone out there feel a burning sensation, swelling, and soreness after sex? I feel it's coming back so I just ordered the Femdophilus. This totally sucks a big one! What do you think...I plan to get another dose of Clindesse and then after that use the Fem D after sex. Is that a good plan? I've been having a little urnine leakage and I feel the BV is aggrevating my bladder. The bladder specialist recommended I use a bacterial soap to help with the bv and she said the BV is causing the leakage and told me to do some other crap that I already do so I feel I wasted my $$. I don't believe her cause I have a friend who has been celibate for five yrs (not by choice) and she has the leakage too! At the time I only used ivory soap and I guess I"ll go back cause I'm still getting these stupid infections + it's cheaper! My user name should have been DAZED AND CONFUSED! LOL laugh.gif blink.gif

On another note thank you all for your participation. It has been so helpful!!!!!

Has anyone ever used Astro lube as a lubricant? I'm wondering if that's what's conributing to the BV....Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wink.gif


Have you ever tried Kegal excersice. That should help. As far as lubricate I use sylk . Do you have dry vag issues too? or do you use it for other purposes?
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post Feb 28 2008, 12:05 PM
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Hi everyone I'm a new poster to this thread so I apologize if I am repeating something or I have missed something.
I JUST had a somewhat upsetting conversation with an ex who told me that he hardly ever went down on me when we were going out because I smelled bad down there. I was with him for 6 years and during that time I went through so many different types of birthcontrol (Pill, ring, patch, but mostly I was on Depo).
My previous BF loved going down on me and told me I tasted great, but I wasn't on birthcontrol with him. Since the last boy and I broke up (over a year ago) I've been off hormonal birthcontrol and have since gotten a copper IUD. I've just started seeing someone after a year of no sex and now I am freaking out that if he goes down on me he'll think that I smell/taste terrible.
I try and check myself and I *think* that it's usually smells ok....although after a day of activity it's understandably not so good. But now I'm wondering if it's even possible to be able to tell yourself? Is it possible that the hormonal birthcontrol was the culprit? When I was on the hormones I had a hard time getting wet (read never!) but now it happens all the time when Im aroused, could that help with the smell?
I'm sorry for the rambling post, I'm just really upset about what he said (and the fact that I haven't had oral in years tongue.gif).
Thanks for any help/advice you can give!
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post Feb 28 2008, 10:29 AM
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You guys keep talking about the smell but does anyone out there feel a burning sensation, swelling, and soreness after sex? I feel it's coming back so I just ordered the Femdophilus. This totally sucks a big one! What do you think...I plan to get another dose of Clindesse and then after that use the Fem D after sex. Is that a good plan? I've been having a little urnine leakage and I feel the BV is aggrevating my bladder. The bladder specialist recommended I use a bacterial soap to help with the bv and she said the BV is causing the leakage and told me to do some other crap that I already do so I feel I wasted my $$. I don't believe her cause I have a friend who has been celibate for five yrs (not by choice) and she has the leakage too! At the time I only used ivory soap and I guess I"ll go back cause I'm still getting these stupid infections + it's cheaper! My user name should have been DAZED AND CONFUSED! LOL laugh.gif blink.gif

On another note thank you all for your participation. It has been so helpful!!!!!

Has anyone ever used Astro lube as a lubricant? I'm wondering if that's what's conributing to the BV....Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm wink.gif
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post Feb 28 2008, 04:11 AM
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OMG totally off topic but Kinkaju-- i'm loving your lil animated doggy. LOLLLLLLLL

((((Jewels)))) missed ya, but glad your monster is gone!!! I've been using dove body wash and ivory bar soap on my bits. Good ol' ivory!!!

I'm really sure the Fem-D, folic acid, and boric inserts are helping (until i get my weird lil period). I was having great success with it till then. I can't use the TTO for anything except a douche and only a few drops at a time. I think its too strong for me and the smell stays in my nose forever. I don't like that part of it.


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post Feb 28 2008, 12:01 AM
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QUOTE(i @ Feb 28 2008, 05:32 AM) *
I do understand that it is reoccurring or else none of us would be here smile.gif
I guess my question was more if the BA was just covering up the odor some how. When I was using the BA the smell came back the day after I stopped using it. Now if I do Flagyl (sp?) a few months will go by before it comes back. In the past, I have always ran to the dr as soon as I had any symptoms. So what can be used with out a prescription to get rid of it and what are the best preventatives?


I'm only using TTO. Nothing else. I've tried Folic Acid Pills, Acidophilus, orally and vaginally, Flagyl, again orally and the pills vaginally, cause I'm a rebel! lol, B6, Vitamin C orally and vaginally, and the list goes on. Boric Acid, same for me, the smell came back when I stopped using it, but, I had a bad alergic reaction to it.

TTO I only use the day after sex. I say the day after, because if you use it the same day, and you are irratated down there, it doesn't feel good. So, I use it the day after, and not again, until I have sex again. And it stays away. I don't have to use it daily.
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post Feb 27 2008, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(jewelscando @ Feb 28 2008, 01:23 AM) *
Boric Acid, is only preventative. Not a cure. If you stop using it, and you have ACTUAL re-occuring BV, it will come back. TTO, is not a cure either. It's just working. I have to use it after sex, or I'm sure the BV will come back.

There is no cure. If you have re-occuring BV, you have to live your life with preventative maintenance, until they find a cure.


I do understand that it is reoccurring or else none of us would be here smile.gif
I guess my question was more if the BA was just covering up the odor some how. When I was using the BA the smell came back the day after I stopped using it. Now if I do Flagyl (sp?) a few months will go by before it comes back. In the past, I have always ran to the dr as soon as I had any symptoms. So what can be used with out a prescription to get rid of it and what are the best preventatives?
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QUOTE(i @ Feb 28 2008, 05:06 AM) *
Ok so here is my plan. I am going to continue with the MG until I see the Dr at the end of March. In the mean time, I ordered the Sylk and I am going to go to whole foods tomorrow and get some Femndoph. I am going to take B6 and garlic everyday and I am switching to just water to try to cut some of the sugar out of my diet. I am also thinking about doing to TTO in the empty caps maybe 2 times a week. I love TTO for everything else but I never thought to use if for the BV. I do have one question about the BA. I did try using it before I saw the specialist but as soon as I stopped the odor came back. Does the BA actually help to get rid of the BV or does it just get rid of the smell?

Anything else I should be taking??


Boric Acid, is only preventative. Not a cure. If you stop using it, and you have ACTUAL re-occuring BV, it will come back. TTO, is not a cure either. It's just working. I have to use it after sex, or I'm sure the BV will come back.

There is no cure. If you have re-occuring BV, you have to live your life with preventative maintenance, until they find a cure.
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post Feb 27 2008, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE(kinkaju @ Feb 28 2008, 03:43 AM) *
I'm really curious. What kinds of soaps/cleansers/etc do you all use to wash that area on a regular basis? I would love to be able to just stick with ONE soap/cleanser that made me feel clean but also was gentle and that I could feel confident wouldn't aggravate my BV. I feel like I've tried everything, and for the last few months I've been using Cetaphil because it claims to be totally non alkaline, so I thought it might be a good choice. I totally notice, when the BV symptoms are flaring up that if I use regular soap, which is a base, that the smell is VERY strong while I'm washing, and often I get out of the shower feeling itchy and disgustingly not clean. But if I wash with the Cetaphil there is no smell while I'm washing with it. I guess I will stick with the Cetaphil (or generic version) unless something better comes along, but I am wondering what you all use, and if you find it irritates you further, or if you are happy with it etc.


I used Dial soap down there my entire life, until someone on here, made a comment about using soaps with anti bacterials, or something, and then it dawned on me that I was not helping myself by using it. I too, when BV was flaring, would have horrible smells when washing down there with Dial... Even my 7yr old daughter said, Mommy, why does it smell like fish when you wash down there!!!!! So, I only use Ivory soap on my face, therefore, I started using it down there as well, and DO NOT HAVE THE SMELL WHEN I WASH!! So, I've used it all these years on my face, because I always felt it was pretty natural soap with not alot of crap in it. And it's working down there too. I looked for Cetaphil, but I wanted like a body wash. I saw the soap, maybe I will try that. And I never use any sort of Body wash at all. I'm afraid it will run down into my vagina, therefore, I use the Ivory soap bar on my body.
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Ok so here is my plan. I am going to continue with the MG until I see the Dr at the end of March. In the mean time, I ordered the Sylk and I am going to go to whole foods tomorrow and get some Femndoph. I am going to take B6 and garlic everyday and I am switching to just water to try to cut some of the sugar out of my diet. I am also thinking about doing to TTO in the empty caps maybe 2 times a week. I love TTO for everything else but I never thought to use if for the BV. I do have one question about the BA. I did try using it before I saw the specialist but as soon as I stopped the odor came back. Does the BA actually help to get rid of the BV or does it just get rid of the smell?

Anything else I should be taking??
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I'm really curious. What kinds of soaps/cleansers/etc do you all use to wash that area on a regular basis? I would love to be able to just stick with ONE soap/cleanser that made me feel clean but also was gentle and that I could feel confident wouldn't aggravate my BV. I feel like I've tried everything, and for the last few months I've been using Cetaphil because it claims to be totally non alkaline, so I thought it might be a good choice. I totally notice, when the BV symptoms are flaring up that if I use regular soap, which is a base, that the smell is VERY strong while I'm washing, and often I get out of the shower feeling itchy and disgustingly not clean. But if I wash with the Cetaphil there is no smell while I'm washing with it. I guess I will stick with the Cetaphil (or generic version) unless something better comes along, but I am wondering what you all use, and if you find it irritates you further, or if you are happy with it etc.


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