[loonydaray]

ugh! i completely agree! for some reason it's no big deal to make fun of someone for being ridiculously skinny, there's nothing wrong with being naturally skinny! i remember once, about two years ago this guy in hot topic just laughed at me and said 'man you look anorexic!' i wasn't amused. maybe it was the fact that i actually used to be anorexic but had recovered a while before that. either way people are asses sometimes

[karategrrl]

Aithinne, so true, so true. I could go on about this topic for days, but the VERY short version is, I am sick and tired of peopel making comments about my body (calling me "skinny," "skinny bitch," "Oh, you can eat whatever you want!" yada yada...and yada.)

It's not okay to say,"Wow, you're short!" "Damn, you're black!" "You're fat!" "You have gray roots!" etc. etc. BUT...somehow it's "okay" to comment on thin people's appearance. This annoys the crap out of me. The only thing I can think of to explain this phenomenon is that thinness is somehow seen as the "desirable" condition, so it's okay to hate someone for having what everyone supposedly wants but "can't have."

Back to work.

[Aithinne]

Hey ladies, forgive me for being off topic, but I stumbled on this site and had to talk about it, even though I think I've ranted about it before, it's still a topic that raises my hackles...

http://www.progressiveu.org/230819-skinny-v-curvy-girls


Found this website while surfing the net and loved it, agreed with a lot of it, except for the part where the author says that larger women don't ever get picked on. A lot of the comments on the article at the bottom were talking about how it is unequivocally more difficult to be a curvy woman than a naturally thin woman, but I don't know if that statement is true. We all have different experiences. For one woman (and I know from personal experience), being thin can be just as big of a confidence kill as being curvy would be for a larger woman. They are flip sides of the size coin, but I disagree that the two experiences can be compared. Everyone is different- what isn't a big deal for one person may be a huge deal to another.

At least curvy women are seen as womanly and feminine! Naturally thin and also small breasted women often feel like they can't claim a huge portion of their identity: being a woman. And I'm sorry, If you really think about it, feeling like a pubescent and not a woman, even though you are one, can be just as damaging as feeling like you aren't accepted for being larger. Both sides can feel like they will never be wanted and loved. The grass is NOT always greener.

And that is my rant for the day.

[nakedmolerat]

Oh I agree with femme!!! i was always an a cup until i got pregnant and my boobs went from 34 a to a fricking 38 c- nearly d. i thought i would be happy but i miss my little boobs. my boobs are saggy from breastfeeding and at least when they were little they were cute and perky. i am in the same dilemma with clothes- they don't button so i have to get a size big and it looks so bulky and ugly. also- i HATE the way they feel against my skin- my little boobs never had the fold under them but now they get all sweaty underneath and i actually need to wear a bra to feel semi-comfortable. it's not what i imagined it would be like. i wish they would go back to normal, i used to think i couldn't find any cute clothes but now i REALLY can't find any cute clothes. be proud of your little tatas!!!

[Aithinne]

Hey there ladies! I haven't been here in forever and just spent the last few hours reading through the last 15 pages... Some great stuff happening here. I missed you guys! I haven't been online because my computer was taking a sick leave and I couldn't get online. Anyway, just wanted to say hey to you all.

About the whole 'men coming to this forum and posting' thing, I agree, I wish they wouldn't post here. However, I do think men should come to this forum and just read the things that people have wrote. Maybe then they'd understand a little better why women feel the way they do about their breasts and breasts in general. Idk, I have always found discussions with intelligent men (definitely not that first guy) to be interesting and insightful.

I hope you all have had a good holiday season. You guys rock!

[strongirl]

Well, actually, yes, I would much rather have some extra hyaluronic acid, which is already naturally present in my body, than lead or pesticides! I go out of my way to avoid toxins, I eat organic, grow my own veggies in the summer, filter my water, use no plastic for food/drink containers, etc. So yeah, I would, to be honest.

Not saying you have to feel the same way, if stuff that comes out of a needle gives you heebie-jeebies or whatever. But for my own assessment of the health risks, that's how I see it.

[Vendetta]

As long as the ladies are happy with their new boobs, fine with me!

[starship]

If you wear lipstick (y'all tracking on the lead in lipstick thing? yikes) or makeup or drink alchohol or eat anything but organic food, you're already putting stuff in your body that's a LOT more "foreign" and toxic than hyaluronic acid, which is part of all human tissue naturally. If you smoke cigarettes, even worse. I'm just saying.

noway can you compare wearing abit of lippie/eating a questionable carrot to injecting a whole heap of acid into your boobs!

[honeybunch]

I noticed the bumpy, implant-y look in 2 or the after pictures. I'm not sure if I would call any of them a major improvement. I think I prefer the befores.

[karategrrl]

the 'befores' are all hotter imo. they have that nice natural ski-slopey boobyness about them.
i also like the sexy laydee at the top

Yep, a bit of slopy-ness is hot, IMHO. Natural breasts very rarely stick straight out.

And yeah, the lady at the top is sporting a nice look!

I didn't know the hyaluronic acid was a naturally-occurring bodily ingredient. However, I wonder where the get the kind that they inject--do they manufacture it synthetically? I'd have a hard time believing that there wouldn't' be all sorts of problems taking it from someone and injecting it into another person's body (think rejection issues). I haven't read that they take if from your own body and inject it in your breasts.

Hey, can they take some of the fat off the backs of my thighs and move it to my breasts? Hahahaha.

[strongirl]

If you wear lipstick (y'all tracking on the lead in lipstick thing? yikes) or makeup or drink alchohol or eat anything but organic food, you're already putting stuff in your body that's a LOT more "foreign" and toxic than hyaluronic acid, which is part of all human tissue naturally. If you smoke cigarettes, even worse. I'm just saying.

I agree on the before/afters - I dislike the same thing that I dislike about implants, which is too much on top and not enough below the nipple. It makes a weird profile, I think. I like the slopeyness too. But with an injection, you could direct where the injector places the stuff, unlike an implant. I'd go for keeping the slopeyness and not so much filler that I'd get "boob overlap" - I still want the damn pencil to drop to the floor, thanks.

Yep, it's absorbed. It's true about no long term studies, so I suppose there could be complications that haven't come up yet. But logically, that seems unlikely since our bodies already have the stuff in 'em and it's inert.

I don't do well with surgery - I've had a nose surgery to help me breathe - and the whole getting cut into thing just seems so traumatic. To me, there's no comparison between implants and injection in terms of invasiveness and trauma to the body. I still probably would opt to just keep my normal nice little titties - but if I were inclined to go bigger, I'd do Macrolane way before implants from a health perspective.

[starship]

I have to say, though, these Macrolane breast before-and-afters are interesting:
http://www.macrolane.com/templates/Macrola...d.aspx?id=28987

i think the 'afters' look kinda bumpy and bleh. the 'befores' are all hotter imo. they have that nice natural ski-slopey boobyness about them.
i also like the sexy laydee at the top

if i haddd to choose id rather have the self-contained implants than some crazy shit pumped into me that can roam about as it pleases

[karategrrl]

Macrolane...

That creeps me out. Injecting "hyaluronic acid" into your body every year...where does it go? Is it absorbed? Also, and most importantly, there are no long-term studies that have been done. Ech. At least with implants they can be taken out (though even with those, there is a question of the lasting effects of being exposed to the silicone shell).

I realize the hypocrisy of what I'm saying in the sense that I have a tattoo, which involved foreign material injected into my body, but people have been doing that for ages without any well-known, across-the-board drawbacks (unless the needles were dirty or the tatt shop was unreputable, that sort of thing).

I have to say, though, these Macrolane breast before-and-afters are interesting:
http://www.macrolane.com/templates/Macrola...d.aspx?id=28987

That's all the enhancement I'd really want--or maybe just a tad more. I wonder how it feels--like lumps? Or smooth? They say they inject it and then mold it into shape.

Still, no thanks for me.

[loonydaray]

macrolane..huh sounds interesting. loookks painful to get done since most are awake i mean that is a huuuge needle!! unfortunately though 4000$ is just too much to pay for experiencing what it would feel like to have b-cups for a couple months :/
maybe someday though...
i really just want to see what it's like you know??
like what does it feel like.... i have a feeling it would bother the crap out of me though.
i'm so used to my lil boobies idk that i would like the feeling of all the bounce and jiggliness

*shrugs*

there is one thing about my boobs i hate more than the size.. i have this ugly scar on my right one from where my cat scratched me yearrss ago

[Vendetta]

yes macrolane is available here in Portugal already but... it costs the same as implants. I don't even have the money for implants, less likely for something that will disappear after a year or so. I would prefer macrolane if I could chose since it's not dangerous and gives just the itty-bitty I would like to have. But well... i've been trying to get surgery throught NHS and i'm not getting any luck. It's hard enough to have an appointment with my doctor for him to tell me that he doesn't know what to do and tell me to come back. I'm frustrated. I just want to end up with this and stop thinking about it.

[strongirl]

DJ - That was incredibly articulate and very moving. I share your gratitude and appreciation for the smart, brave, insightful women who post in here and it has helped me, too. The only thing you said that I don't agree with 100% was the statement "our desire for bigger breasts". Most of the time I like mine fine the way they are. Sometimes I could go for slightly bigger but mostly I'm happy with my streamlined, graceful shape. I will say that this forum has helped me be more solid in that. That and, yes, my awesome boyfriend who loves my tits.

Nelly - that was actually very clear and you are cute when you're inebriated.

Vendetta - On a more practical and less philosophical note, since I know you are considering implants, have you heard of or looked into Macrolane injections? Someone else in here mentioned them so I did a bit of Internet research. We can't get them here in the U.S. yet but they are available in much of Europe, and have beeen avail. in the U.K. for over a year. They are the same substance as injectible fillers used to plump out wrinkles, hyaluronic acid, a substance that is naturally occurring in the human body with no risk of rejection. They are about 1/2 or less the price of implants, add 1 to 1 1/2 cup sizes, and are gradually absorbed by the body over 12-18 months, so a "top up" is required after a year or so, but on the other hand, if you don't like the effect it goes away without a surgery or anything. The result is very natural feeling, without surgery or scars. There is some pain with the initial injection but much less than implants. The procedure only takes about an hour.

I've had the facial fillers done a few times with very subtle, natural-looking results and if I wanted to go bigger with my breasts and this was available in the U.S., I'd consider it. The only negative comments I read from women who had it done was that it hurt more than they expected and that they wished they'd gone for bigger, ie. implants. Neither of those would apply to me since I would never want them that big and I have a high pain tolerance.

Just something to think about, especially for you, Vendetta, since you could probably get them there in Europe and you're considering implants anyway.

[Vendetta]

Breasts are deeply embroided in my sense of feminity, that's what I sense I lack when I look in my mirror.

[neurotic.nelly]

When we look into the mirror, we hear the voice of our Zeitgeist, and we judge ourselves based on those standards, or we don't. The choice is yours in that moment.
So, V, when you look in the mirror, you're still judging yourself based on other's values, not just the mens, but our society as a whole, men and women. We all do it or think it or feel it because we are indoctrinated to it as children. To see ourselves, as we are, and to choose to love and accept ourselves is where its at. And I hope this is clear. But it is as clear as I can make it, being inebriated.

[Vendetta]

Men may play a part is this equation but we can only be affected by them if there's a problem about the way we view ourselves. In my opinion, or in my life, worries about men are only a consequence. Or women, in my case. And they're a consequence because they are part of my life and, sexually, they are gonna touch my buttons. Insecurities I didn't have so intensely two years ago so I can tell the difference between the two stages of mind. And it was a man who gave them to me, cause he changed the way I viewed myself. I was weak. But I don't think of any man when I look at myself in the mirror.

[dj-bizmonkey]

let's not kid ourselves ladies, we do spend a significant portion of our time in here discussing how men have made us feel inadequate, how we wish men paid more attention to our breasts as well as praising men who have loved our breasts and how good it makes us feel.

that being said, i don't think our issue can be boiled down to a simple equation. i also don't think vendetta was suggesting that, but more throwing it out there to see what the rest of us have to say. am i right, v?

anyhow, the issue (obviously) is complex and intricate. for me, i think it is much of our value as women, whether we like it or not, is outwardly evaluated and based on our level of attractiveness. i don't like it any more than the next person, but i think this is an evolutionary, worldwide phenomenon. BUT, that isn't all that makes us valuable, and certainly any man or woman will tell you that what they look for in a partner goes far deeper than any one physical attribute. however we are taught, rather, indoctrinated by mainstream media, that our only value lies in the physical and in our case, our small tits just aren't up to snuff. i believe we want to fit the mold, be 'up to snuff,' and part of that is receiving attention from the opposite sex (in our heteronormative, mainstream culture).

i am playing devil's advocate here, but i think each and every one of us, whether consciously or subconsciously cares what men think of our bodies far more than we would like to admit. i also think that this yearning to be attractive is both preordained (as in, it is hardwired in our brains) and the result of belligerent cultural reinforcement. our challenge as feminists and as women in general is to name the beast that torments us and fight back with our confidence, our intellect, our passion. the battles we engage in are exhortations to the rest of humanity that these standards of value based on physical attractiveness are at best, glib and facile interpretations of us as individuals. our battles may begin here in this forum, with powerful words of defiance and strength, but they radiate out into the 'real' world.

so, long story short, our desire for bigger breasts cannot be boiled down to a simple explanation. it is multi-faceted. but we must be absolutely honest with ourselves and why we think the things we do if we expect to make any positive progress. i am very proud of every woman in this forum who is willing to bare her insecurities to an audience, and i believe that is a step in the right direction for all of us.

you have all helped me immensely, more than you'll probably ever realize......

((((you))))