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post May 22 2011, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(DeeRayy @ May 22 2011, 01:15 PM) *
kera, those are really interesting questions. and i don't think we'll ever be able to answer that haha. but i personally think if my boobs had been normal i would have found something else to be insecure about. as far as my personality, i really don't know what would have happened. what about you?

and i don't actually think my boobs are an actual representation of my personality(lol). i just kinda noticed that they seem to have a certain similarity to it. so it's just another way of me trying to accept them. that way, when i feel down about them i can go, "hey, at least they go with me!". it's more of a joke than a serious statement. it helps me lighten up about the whole issue instead of taking it too seriously smile.gif


Yeah, you are right. Guess we will never really know how we might be different. I think I may have had a little more self confidence. I spent so much of junior high school and early high school feeling extra self concious because it seemed like all the girls were getting boobs except for lil ol me. I took a lot of teasing because of it. Then I look at my sister and she seems way more confident and outgoing than I am. And she is way more popular (especially with the boyz). I cannot tell if it is the confidence, the boobs or both. But you are right, if it isn't our boobies it will be something else I am sure.

I also use humor as a way of dealing. For instance, I sometimes say "at least I can go jog braless and not have to worry about getting a black eye!" smile.gif
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post May 22 2011, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(KeraBear @ May 22 2011, 05:18 AM) *
Interesting that you would look at your breasts as a reflection of your personality. I actually had to look up demure. Interesting choice of word. I am pretty shy myself. Do you ever wonder if our personalities might be different if we didn't have small breasts? Like, would I be more confident and outgoing? Would I be a different person even?


kera, those are really interesting questions. and i don't think we'll ever be able to answer that haha. but i personally think if my boobs had been normal i would have found something else to be insecure about. as far as my personality, i really don't know what would have happened. what about you?

and i don't actually think my boobs are an actual representation of my personality(lol). i just kinda noticed that they seem to have a certain similarity to it. so it's just another way of me trying to accept them. that way, when i feel down about them i can go, "hey, at least they go with me!". it's more of a joke than a serious statement. it helps me lighten up about the whole issue instead of taking it too seriously smile.gif
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post May 22 2011, 07:18 AM
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QUOTE(DeeRayy @ May 21 2011, 11:45 PM) *
kera, i totally relate when you say that you feel like getting boobs feels like a rite of passage. AND you are also right when you point out that you do, they're just not as noticeable. i have always struggled with that- feeling like one of my parts is missing. but lately i've been making myself look at my own reflection while topless for a few minutes everyday. i don't remember who recommended it to me, but it has helped me become more comfortable with my body simply by getting me used to looking at it a lot. and the more i look at my reflection the more i've come to see that i do have them..they're just the most obvious things on the planet.

another thing that has helped me is that i'm starting to see my booblets as a reflection of my personality- they're cute and demure smile.gif

however, i get called cute so much because of my short/petite frame and my coy, kind of innocent personality that it actually bothers me! idk, but i feel like cute is kind of the opposite of sexy. i guess it's because when i think of cute i think of things like hello kitty, and i don't want guys to see hello kitty when they look at me! haha. it almost feels like the whole "cute" factor gets in the way of me feeling sexy, and i'd like to feel sexy at least once in a while!

does anyone else here have this same beef with being called cute often?


Awww, so glad you feel me, Deerayy! But it's like an older, wiser friend once told me when i was having an existencial crisis in early high school - "Being a woman is more than just boobs and blood!" Oh yeah, the mirror thing. I am glad to hear that is helping you. I think it was Strongirl who mentioned that. Mirror therapy, I think. I think I remember there was a book about that too...

Interesting that you would look at your breasts as a reflection of your personality. I actually had to look up demure. Interesting choice of word. I am pretty shy myself. Do you ever wonder if our personalities might be different if we didn't have small breasts? Like, would I be more confident and outgoing? Would I be a different person even?

LMAO at the Hello Kitty comment! laugh.gif Ha ha. .. As somebody who gets "cute" alot, I can totally relate to this! I enjoy conpliments, but that is also one that is given to my 8 year old cousin. I am not sure if I would like "cute" applied to my boobs though... like they are miniature puppies or something, you know? But for the most part when a guy calls me cute, I take it as a compliment. But it does get old.
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post May 21 2011, 10:45 PM
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kera, i totally relate when you say that you feel like getting boobs feels like a rite of passage. AND you are also right when you point out that you do, they're just not as noticeable. i have always struggled with that- feeling like one of my parts is missing. but lately i've been making myself look at my own reflection while topless for a few minutes everyday. i don't remember who recommended it to me, but it has helped me become more comfortable with my body simply by getting me used to looking at it a lot. and the more i look at my reflection the more i've come to see that i do have them..they're just the most obvious things on the planet.

another thing that has helped me is that i'm starting to see my booblets as a reflection of my personality- they're cute and demure smile.gif

however, i get called cute so much because of my short/petite frame and my coy, kind of innocent personality that it actually bothers me! idk, but i feel like cute is kind of the opposite of sexy. i guess it's because when i think of cute i think of things like hello kitty, and i don't want guys to see hello kitty when they look at me! haha. it almost feels like the whole "cute" factor gets in the way of me feeling sexy, and i'd like to feel sexy at least once in a while!

does anyone else here have this same beef with being called cute often?
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post May 21 2011, 02:18 PM
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Yeah, a big boobied club that I don't feel like I ever get to be a part of! That is pretty spot on. I dunno... I guess I have always felt like it is sonething like a rite of passage into womanhood or something... having boobs (which is silly cuz i do, of course! Just not as... evident). Angie, you give me great hope that things will get better after high school. It is so hard for me!! The best thing about this place is "older" ladies like you, Strongirl, and Karategrrl who still frequent the thread even though you (seemingly) have it all together. So thanks so much!!!! Actually, you all have been awesome. Ha ha... I am afraid of leaving someone unappreciated. smile.gif

oh! And Allison- my fellow "older-little sister"! Welcome back! It's been awhile. smile.gif
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post May 21 2011, 09:44 AM
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DeeRayy, I was definitely shocked when I found out you weren't around the same age as me! Partly because I often just assume people are near my age, especially over the internet when I can't see them haha. But you do very much seem to think things through. I think at some point us small busties discussed the possibility that being on the smaller side, and not fitting in to the standard ideas of beauty, forced us to be more thoughtful about how society works, especially in terms of treatment of women and standards of beauty, and therefore having small breasts helped to make us smart, strong women (in a very tongue-in-cheek kind of way, not that we actually think we're smarter than other people, of course!). I do remember often as a teenager feeling like I was on the outside of some kind of big-boobied club that all the other girls got to be a part of, a club that got all the boys' attention, and feeling like I grew up so much faster. I look back on those days, and look back on photos of myself, and I can't believe hot stunningly hot I was, and I remember how ugly I felt, and I just wish I had known all the things I know now! I could have had the world at my feet, if only I had the confidence back then!

Now that I'm older and more confident, I often feel and act a lot younger. I look back at how mature and thoughtful and well behaved I was when I was 20, and sometimes wonder if I haven't regressed in age... Sometimes I look back and wish I hadn't grown up so soon, not that it held me back, but that I didn't let myself have fun often enough... but I dont' let myself worry about it. I love every minute of my childish behaviour now, partly maybe because now I have the confidence and experience not to make a complete ass of myself, even though I'm indulging my childish side. Anyways, it's totally OK to get along better with older people, especially right now. The beauty of growing up is that soon, you will have a lot more power to choose who you associate with as friends, you won't be stuck with your classmates all day. I choose to surround myself with thoughtful, intelligent, fun and caring people when I am done work or school for the day, and they are of all different ages, and it makes life a lot more fun. The older you get, and the more people you meet over time, the more power you will have to do this.

One last thing.. one reason getting older seems to have helped, for me, is that at some point I had to realize, I couldn't keep wishing and hoping that my tits are growing any bigger. I'm not having any miracle growth spurt at 27, gaining weight doesn't do much, and in the meantime, I've discovered a lot of advantages to being small chested. So my only choices now are surgery, continued self-criticism, or accepting myself - the last one is the best option for me!
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post May 20 2011, 11:58 PM
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now that i read that last post of mine i realize i sound kind of snobby in that last paragraph. it's NOT that i think i'm better than other people my age, i just don't feel that i connect with a lot of them as much. and believe me, i wish i could! i honestly think my older frame of mind can actually be a disadvantage sometimes.
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post May 20 2011, 11:35 PM
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karategrrl, the last place i expected to see booblets was in a pitbull video! haha. i actually kinda consider j-lo to be kind of a small breasted icon. she may not look it, but i have a gay friend who idolizes and knows everything about her, and apparently she's somewhere between an A and a B cup. she's just made to look bigger in a lot of her appearances ( just of like a lot of other celebs, like eva longoria or jessica alba).

angie_21, i loved your post, because it's so very true. i always feel tons better after reading your posts because your hapiness and confidence just radiate through your words. and after i'm done reading i think to myself, "man, that's the attitude i need to have!". because the older i get the more i realize that i don't want to be perfect- i just want to be happy with myself.

i know i definitely need to work on appreciating the beauty of other women without getting down on my own appearance at the same time. i guess being so young has a lot to do with it. it makes me feel a little better when the more experienced women on this thread say that guys get better as they age. but i guess i just gotta be patient with waiting that out! it sucks though because i've always been told that i seem so much older than i really am. i can't help it, that's just the way i've always been ever since i was a kid. and that bites me in the butt when interacting with my peers because i get along soooo much better with older people. i actually get along more with my t.a's than my classmates sometimes! and when my therapist met me, she had to double check my age with me because she said that she doesn't hear a nineteen year old when she talks to me; she hears someone much more mature. haha, if only i had the confidence to match my maturity!
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post May 20 2011, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(KeraBear @ May 14 2011, 03:19 PM) *
Yeah, I feel ya, Karategrrl. As much as I talk about about how jealous I am of my sister's Cs, the truth is I would rather be on the smaller side. It would just be nice to have just a little more... enough to drop the "let" from my booblets!

And yes, I would also be horrified to wake up and find a set of frankenboobs! That is just scary!


I am still jealous of my 18 year old sisters D's, i thought hers would stop growing once she got to 36C to my 32-34B, boy was I wrong. I would not want D's myself per se, I am simply uncomfortable with the "disparity" between us.

I am seven years older than her and been smaller than her since I was 21 and she was 14. Her breasts do not look out of place on her, hers are firm, proportionate and they may attract attention from others but not too much attention if you know what I mean.
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post May 20 2011, 11:21 AM
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Booblet sighting!! Yippee! Small boobies in a dance video! See the ladies in gold bikinis at 1:27 and elsewhere.
See 1:27
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post May 20 2011, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE(angie_21 @ May 20 2011, 01:47 PM) *
At my wedding, people better not care if I want to prance down the aisle in a red bikini holding a bouquet of condoms,


Bwahahaha! laugh.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE(angie_21 @ May 20 2011, 01:47 PM) *
if I can't be accepting now of the eternal existence of younger, beautiful girls now, I won't be a very happy old lady. I'm beautiful in my own way and always will be, and I am a good person in my own way, and I can do so many things those kids don't even know about yet wink.gif

Well said, grrl.
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post May 20 2011, 09:40 AM
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Just a link I found through my favorite feminist blog (evilslutopia.com):

Operation Beautiful

The thing I really like about it, is that even though it was made by someone who had weight-related issues in mind, it is not a "real women have curves" thing as a number of people have mentioned being annoyed with other campaigns - its about celebrating how everyone is beautiful, and about not focusing on our bodies at all. Yay!
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post May 20 2011, 08:47 AM
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Hey girls, I have a lot to catch up on. I finished my school semester but I had to drop everything else in my life to do it. Then went on vacation and there was no cell coverage, no 3G, and no wireless where we stayed! It was beautiful. I'm off to Alaska again in 10 days but I wanted to say hi before going.

Babyblue, I hope you get exactly the wedding dress you ordered! You had every right to be mad, just because you ordered a specific dress and she wanted to change it because of her own assumptions, and she thought her assumptions were more important than your own desires for the dress. You're the one wearing it, not her! At my wedding, people better not care if I want to prance down the aisle in a red bikini holding a bouquet of condoms, I'll damn well do what I want regardless of what tradition or convention says. (haha I wouldn't do that, as fun as it would be, my mother would be mortified!)

DeeRay, I hope things work out, stand your ground with the doctors and if something doesn't feel right, don't let them tell you otherwise. However. Your body is NOT broken. Don't let yourself fall into that, I know it's hard, but even if there is a hormone imbalance or thyroid problem, you will be OK and things can be done, and you will feel better. I know how you feel, I had some problems a couple years ago, not just with possible pcos as I talked about in the birth control thread, but with an irritable bladder and other things. I was lucky, I guess, that a lot of things were stress related and have since resolved on their own, but at the time I really felt like I couldn't trust my own body and it was letting me down. There's lots you can do for yourself while you're waiting, especially for these specific things - look up thyroid-friendly diets, which I bet will be similar to a pre-diabetic diet. Stop eating processed foods, and try to minimize anything and everything with added sugars and artificial sweeteners. IF you can afford it, make sure all your meat and diary is organic, without added hormones. Exercise. If you can afford it, seek a second opinion, and try to find out if being on the BCP will influence the thyroid tests in any way. Send me a pm if you want, I don't want to derail too much either, but this thread is OK for that smile.gif

When I was 15 I was planning to get implants, but by the time I was old enough and had the money, I didn't want surgery anymore, although I still had a lot of emotional problems about it. Now, the idea of elective surgery makes me laugh, I barely have the patience to heal a cartilage piercing, I would hate dealing with the surgery and the healing process, and having the extra weight and bulk on my chest would drive me up the wall. It would just get in the way, all the time. bleagh. Nope, happy the way I am. And it is true, especially once you start hanging out with guys over the age of 25, their attitudes begin to mature quickly and their ideas of what a naked woman looks like aren't primarily gained from porn anymore. A lot of them realize how much nicer women look without the stretch-marked, round, bolt-on (haha love it!) porno boobs and plastic vulvas (don't even get me into the genital plastic surgery in the modern porn business ick ick ick!!) And a lot of them are just happy to actually get to sometimes hang out with women naked, of any shape or size smile.gif

I don't get bothered too much when people start talking about breasts, depending on the context. Or when they are in movies, because quite often my friends will all call out fake boobs in a movie as soon as we see them, it's a fun game. And I am finally at the point when I can appreciate when another woman looks beautiful, whatever her chest size, and it doesn't hurt my feelings if I know she looks more conventionally beautiful than me. I'm not in competition with her. It doesn't mean anything to me. I hope to age gracefully my whole life, and if I can't be accepting now of the eternal existence of younger, beautiful girls now, I won't be a very happy old lady. I'm beautiful in my own way and always will be, and I am a good person in my own way, and I can do so many things those kids don't even know about yet wink.gif

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post May 19 2011, 07:34 PM
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Karategrrl, agreed! what also amazes me is how the topic of breasts seems to some up so darn regularly in everyday life! it definitely irritates me sometimes. just today, as a matter of fact, i had not given a though to the size of my breasts the whole day until an incident in my comparative lit class. when i attend lecture today we viewed a movie called Un Chien Andalou [since we're studying the surrealists right now]. I was fine until about seven minutes into it when a man starts feeling up a woman's breasts and picturing them naked [which is completely shown in the film]. Then aaaalllll of those self conscious feelings I have about my breasts started darting around in my head. what made it even worse is that i have a crush on a friend that sits next to me in that class, so i felt mighty awkward and distracted when we were walking back to the parking lot together after class. and yesterday as well, we were watching a documentary on colonization in my anthro class and long story short all the women in the native tribe being observed walk around topless and one of the native women started to tease the younger teenage girls about their small breasts in one scene. grrr! i feel like i can't go one friggin day without the subject of boobs coming up lately.

do you ladies get uncomfortable when breasts are shown in a movie? how about when the subject of breasts comes up randomly in conversation with others? do you get all squirmy and uncomfortable like me? and if not, how do you handle it?
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post May 19 2011, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE(DeeRayy @ May 19 2011, 03:05 AM) *
let us now get back to our praise of booblets smile.gif


No apologies needed for getting "derailed," ladies. Personally, from being part of this forum for, well, let's just say an embarassingly long time, wink.gif I'm always amazed at how everything is all related and connected to breasts. Amazing how two small mounds of mammary are such a large part of our body image, health, psychology etc. so to me it all connects.
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post May 18 2011, 10:05 PM
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strongirl- no they did not disclose the actual number to me. my copy of the results just stated abnormal. But my cholesterol also showed up as elevated [though not classifiable as high] which alarms me because i don't even eat high cholesterol foods! not regularly at least. and high cholesterol has come up on a few of the hypothyroid symptom checklists. i'm just gonna move my appointment up to june since i'll have finished my third pack of pills by then anyway. i have a good number of symptoms, but pretty mild forms of them.

but i think we've shot off on this tangent long enough, i'll just have to make some calls and wait and see. but thanks a bunch for the advice strongirl! it is very much appreciated.

let us now get back to our praise of booblets smile.gif
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post May 18 2011, 07:28 PM
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DeeRay - Complicated questions. Low thyroid can mess up your periods and other hormones - it's the body's "regulator". But birth control can also cause thyroid hormone levels to go down - estrogen increases the amount of thyroid-binding protein in the blood which means there's less thyroid hormone available for use by the rest of the body. You probably just got tested for TSH level - do you know the actual number or just that it was "Abnormal"?

Thyroid disease is increasingly common, some people are even saying "epidemic". Because of that, there's a ton of info available online which is nice but can be overwhelming. However, I think you should read over a few of the symptom checklists that are out there and evaluate for yourself whether or not you're having actual thyroid symptoms. It's not always clear cut (like for me - menopause or thyroid? simple aging or thyroid?) but if you have many of the checklist symptoms you should escalate with your doctor or switch doctors and get treated. Like I said, leaving this untreated can have some really nasty consequences.

Here's a pretty good symptom checklist (keep reading under the risk factor checklist):

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/checklist.htm

Big hugs to you, DeeRay.
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post May 18 2011, 06:22 PM
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karategrrl, thanks for the hugs. hugs back to you smile.gif

strongirl, it's really cool to know you understand what i'm talking about. my doc thinks my problems are hormonal imbalances and she wants me to give my birth control three months before doing anything. my bloodwork doesn't say exactly what's up with my thyroid, it's just marked as "a" for abnormal. it ticks me off because my irregular periods combined with my thyroid activity shows there's clearly something wrong with me but she wrote on the bloodwork that there's no need to see me until she does my check up for how the birth control is working, which is already set for july 18. should i still move my appointment up anyway?
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ErisSweetleaf - your job (and you) sound so cool! I'm jealous. (hating life as a software developer at the moment, tho this too shall pass)

On the period timing, I got mine at 12 too. And really my body has not changed much since that point - I stopped getting taller, my boobs stayed the same. I can still fit the few clothes from middle school that I kept.

DeeRay - I have hypo-thyroid, too. Got diagnosed several years ago. It's a large complicated topic and I don't want to totally derail us here but a few important things. Do not wait until July! My rx got messed up last January due to an insurance/pharmacy issue and I blew off doing anything about it for 3 months. Then in March, they said I simply could not have any more till I saw my doctor - who couldn't see me till April 15. Well boy, do I regret the 4 months of inadequate meds. I am very unwell - hopefully coming out of it but still paying in multiple ways. When you say your "body feels broken" - I understand COMPLETELY. Don't mess around with this - get into a doctor and get on thyroid meds ASAP! (synthetic vs animal is a whole nother topic but regardless, don't go without!)

Sorry to digress, ladies. Back to boobs.
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post May 18 2011, 06:35 AM
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DeeRayy, sorry to hear about your thyroid issues. Can you move the appointment sooner, considering you have something that needs to be addressed? that must be frustrating, to feel out of touch with your health and wellness. Do whatever you can to be gentle with yourself and connect with yourself, if that makes any sense. <<hugs>>

Horny monkeys? Bwahahahahaha!!!!!

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Yeah, the "cleavage" I speak of isn't true breast tissue, but when you work your pecs, you get definition in the middle of your chest--a nice little line--and more mass under the breasts for sure, which does push the breasts forward a little. It really does shape everything nicely. I will never have people comment, "man, what big breasts you have!" but I get lots of folks commenting on my definition, shoulders, upper body. So it does make a difference. I do have more shape since I started working out in a dedicated fashion. I don't look like a fitness freak by a long shot, but I don't look bony and skinny up top anymore. smile.gif And I have to say I think more "shape" is what a lot of women want when they are thin in their upper bods, but they think implants are the only way to get it. I want to shout this from the rooftops.

I got my period early--three months short of my 12th birthday. And my breasts were very small then and still are small. At the time, it was horrifying to get my period, as I was a tomboy and didn't want to be a girl, and the boys--and girls--teased the girls who showed outward signs of puberty, i.e., breasts, so I flew under the radar and was grateful for it. The periods I could hide.
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