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post May 25 2007, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(lori @ May 25 2007, 12:37 AM) *
That's so weird.

I think my symptoms had something to do with antibiotics. It's certainly something to keep an eye on, because it took me a while for me to figure it out. IBS is such a non-specific thing, can be caused by any number of things including stress. So sometimes, the doctors just have no idea.

So BV can give you IBS? Or IBS can give you BV? Oh dear.

BV is just the gift that keeps on giving.



I'm not 100% sure about it being passed back and forth like that. I need to figure that out. But I know there is a connection there. I know for a fact my BV infection was making my IBS flare up. And yes, I think it was from stress. I mean, it is so stressful having this BV problem, it was practically giving me an ulcer. I would be buckled over in pain from cramping. And I havn't had a bout of IBS in years. IBS in my opinion, is similar to having an ulcer - but not in your stomach - in your intestines. Stress exacerbates it. I don't think the BV gave me the IBS though. I had IBS years ago, before having BV. Actually, I think what really happened was that the antibiotics killed off all good bacteria in my body (not just my vagina), the BV came back, I got totally upset, then the stress coupled with the fact that now I don't have good bacteria in my intestines gave me a flare up of IBS. But the IBS was probably already there.

But what is IBS really? Irritable Bowel Syndrome. When I get upset, I feel it in my gut. And if you are a person that has thinner and more porous intestines than other people, with a thinner layer of mucous to protect them, then you are a candidate for IBS. Stress is almost always the catalyst. I read in one of my books that most women who get IBS can look in their calendar and pin-point the week that they got it. Or that they started feeling terrible, ultimately leading to IBS. For me, it was the week I broke up with my boyfriend. Gas, indigestion, food allergies, buckling over in pain, constipation alternating with diarrhea, are some of the symptoms I had. Then the yeast infections started. And then years later, the bacterial vaginosis started.




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post May 25 2007, 05:22 AM
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QUOTE(miserywithcompany @ May 25 2007, 03:07 AM) *
Just checking in. I still stink but at least I can smell my smelly feet now because the crotch stench isn't so over-powering. The aci-jelly I've been using is almost gone. Been using it at night about twice a week or after sex then "cleaning up" the following morning with a tampon to absorb the rest so it doesnt ooze out for hours leaving me sticky and I don't smell like I used a bottle of vinegar as perfume. Someone said a while back its not being made any more. Figures. The one thing for me that seems to keep it checked to almost a point of toleration. Has anyone heard if there is a replacement for this product on the horizon?


Currently, I dont use it but I do have a prescription for( the generic brand which is called acidic vaginal jelly) and what the pharmacist(at Walgreens) told me is that they have discontinued the name brand aci-jel and will not make that any longer but the generic brand is still available. He also stated that there still may be some of the name brand available online and they will continue to sell it until they have no more in stock. So you may be able to find some websites with the brand name. Generics are good too but some may perfer the name brand I say just to give it a shot and see how the generic brand works for you. As far as a replacement and or if horizon has a replacement product I do not know and the pharmacist also stated that they have not been notified in their systems if they will or when they will have a replacement product for the name brand. The last I checked was about a month ago I dont know if any new news have developed and or if anything has changed regarding this product.


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post May 25 2007, 05:01 AM
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Morphia: I wasn't trying to be mean or anything. But you've posted several stressed out posts about your discharge and I've posted once or twice about it being normal. You keep saying how stupid your doctors are about it, but really, you need to listen sometimes to what other people have to say...especially if they've been through the same thing.
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post May 25 2007, 02:49 AM
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QUOTE(lori @ May 24 2007, 11:37 PM) *
That's so weird.

I think my symptoms had something to do with antibiotics. It's certainly something to keep an eye on, because it took me a while for me to figure it out. IBS is such a non-specific thing, can be caused by any number of things including stress. So sometimes, the doctors just have no idea.

So BV can give you IBS? Or IBS can give you BV? Oh dear.

BV is just the gift that keeps on giving.


How exactly is IBS diagnosed? Does making about 5 or 6 "road stops" a year...and being late to social, work and school affairs because of "bowel problems" constitute IBS? Or the fact that I have to lay over a clothes hamper at night sometimes just to tolerate the "labor pains" hehe. What about eating rolaids and tums like tic tacs 7 to 8 times a month...because your stomach is on "fire". Those problems that I experience...have been the least of my worries...however...maybe I shouldn''t have put these problems on the back burner......
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post May 25 2007, 01:50 AM
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Just checking in. I still stink but at least I can smell my smelly feet now because the crotch stench isn't so over-powering. The aci-jelly I've been using is almost gone. Been using it at night about twice a week or after sex then "cleaning up" the following morning with a tampon to absorb the rest so it doesnt ooze out for hours leaving me sticky and I don't smell like I used a bottle of vinegar as perfume. Someone said a while back its not being made any more. Figures. The one thing for me that seems to keep it checked to almost a point of toleration. Has anyone heard if there is a replacement for this product on the horizon?
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post May 24 2007, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(CanCan @ May 24 2007, 12:12 PM) *
But I don't think the IBS was caused by BV, but the other way around (Lori mentioned this as well). I think IBS can give you BV. However, for some reason, when I got my BV, I had a flare-up of IBS! Cramping, bloated belly; I can't explain it. Or maybe my IBS got worse because of the antibiotic that I took.

That's so weird.

I think my symptoms had something to do with antibiotics. It's certainly something to keep an eye on, because it took me a while for me to figure it out. IBS is such a non-specific thing, can be caused by any number of things including stress. So sometimes, the doctors just have no idea.

So BV can give you IBS? Or IBS can give you BV? Oh dear.

BV is just the gift that keeps on giving.


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post May 24 2007, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(sassy @ May 24 2007, 07:58 PM) *
MORPHIA: Like I've posted once before...it is normal to have that discharge after getting a cervical biopsy. I had discharge from mine for 2 weeks and that is normal. CALM DOWN!



Ummm, excuse me. But did I show any indication whatsoever of freaking out? Did you see a shit load of exclamation points in my post? I'm sick and tired of every body taking what I say out of context and attacking me. The yahoo group may be slow, but at least they're more understanding and slow to judge. I think its time I left this board. Good luck tearing each other's throats out.
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post May 24 2007, 07:03 PM
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post May 24 2007, 06:41 PM
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MORPHIA: Like I've posted once before...it is normal to have that discharge after getting a cervical biopsy. I had discharge from mine for 2 weeks and that is normal. CALM DOWN!
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post May 24 2007, 04:00 PM
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Morphia: Have you ever tried a colon cleanser? I used one in November and December and it was a miracle! I was so glad that I found it. I also have IBS and since I used it I have been much more regular and feel great. I just ordered another 1 month supply because it is recommended to do it every 6 months. It comes with a fiber mix, pills to rid your body of parasites and a tea. I was afraid that after using the product that I would just go back to always having bathroom problems but it wasn't the case. May be good for you too cancan as you had mentioned having IBS.

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post May 24 2007, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE(CanCan @ May 24 2007, 02:12 PM) *
I was told a few years ago that I have IBS too. Irritable Bowel Syndrome. But I don't think the IBS was caused by BV, but the other way around (Lori mentioned this as well). I think IBS can give you BV. However, for some reason, when I got my BV, I had a flare-up of IBS! Cramping, bloated belly; I can't explain it. Or maybe my IBS got worse because of the antibiotic that I took. The die-off of any microbes in your intestines would give you gas.

I would be curious to know how many of us here have digestive issues?


I've been having bowel issues since I got sick a year and a half ago (still don't know what the hell is wrong with me). I was able to get a colonoscopy in October. My results were inflammation indicative of IBS...OR...infection. Nothing else was done about it. You'd think after those findings that they would have taken a stool sample. I still wonder if I might have some type of parasitic infection in there and I keep hoping that maybe this 14 days of Flagyl will get rid of it if I do.

I went to see my doctor today and to my dismay he said that my cervix looked fine and that the discharge was normal?? I'm sorry, but no discharge 6 days after a colpo is normal. Plus I'm still in pain. HOWEVER...he is MUCH better than my primary doc. As I thought, because he is younger he has actually heard of the resistant strains of yeast and other bacterias that can live in the vagina. I didn't have to bring them up at all! I complained that I was having trouble with yeast too and he just started talking about them. And when I asked him if he could do a culture for any yeast or bacteria we might be missing he said that he couldn't do one due to the lack of supplies he had in his office but that he did feel that I needed one and that he would look into finding someone that could do one for me. He did have the supplies to check for group B strep so he took a culture for that. While he said some things that were inaccurate (such as my pH of 5.0 is too low and should be around 7 unsure.gif ) I can still say that I've found my new doc from now on. At least for a good while.

Another unfortunately, he said that if I keep having the recurring bv he wants to put me on the metrogel regimen I've heard people talk about. I think he said metrogel for 7 days instead of five, then once a week for a month, then once a month indefinitely. He says he's had good results with that but from what I've read most women don't seem to have much luck with it. Plus, wouldn't that just give me constant yeast problems?

For my current yeast problem he gave me Gynazole (By the same makers of Clindesse). I'm worried about that since its the one dose type that stays in you for 7 days. What if there really is an infection in there? He says it shouldn't irritate my biopsies but I'm afraid it will.
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post May 24 2007, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(SFgirl @ May 14 2007, 09:08 PM) *
I recently had an intense and painful reaction to Bacterial Vaginosis and was ill for about three weeks. I've had recurring BV since my early 20's. I'm now in my 40's. While the BV has been ever present over the last 20 years, it has never caused severe stomach pain until recently. In the past I've taken antibiotics which has resolved the symptoms, albeit temporarily. Symptoms usually returned after an antibiotic course within 2 months. My most recent experience with BV caused severe stomach pain, cramping, and constipation. The BV triggered Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) symtoms. After a trip to the doctor, and several tests to rule out other disorders, the doctor concluded the same -- that BV had triggered IBS-like symtoms. I was given Flagyl which helped to relieve symptoms, including the stomach pain and constipation, and recovered two weeks later. However, much to my dismay, the BV returned during the third week of my recovery and the symptoms, to include stomach pain, began to return. I've held it in check and have overcome the symptoms using probiotics and this approach has been more effective for me than antibiotic treatment. ...



I was told a few years ago that I have IBS too. Irritable Bowel Syndrome. But I don't think the IBS was caused by BV, but the other way around (Lori mentioned this as well). I think IBS can give you BV. However, for some reason, when I got my BV, I had a flare-up of IBS! Cramping, bloated belly; I can't explain it. Or maybe my IBS got worse because of the antibiotic that I took. The die-off of any microbes in your intestines would give you gas.

I would be curious to know how many of us here have digestive issues? I know a few do. With IBS, your intestines get thinner, and more porous, so particles of undigested food can be pushed through the intestinal lining undigested. These particles now have a higher chance of getting into your bloodstream. Causing problems like food allergies/food intolerance, sinusitis, general malaise, etc. But if food particles can be pushed through the porous lining into the bloodstream - then I wouldn't be surprised if bacteria can as well.

Well, whether or not you have IBS or some other digestive issue, keeping your intestines healthy is very important while you have a Bacterial Vaginosis infection. I bought something at the healthfood store called L-Glutamine. The salesman there called it 'gut glue', and told me that I should be taking it if I have IBS. It's a protein amino acid. It repairs your intestines. If you have Bacterial Vaginosis because of adrenal exhaustion or some other hormonal imbalance, then you can benefit from L-glutamine as well. Because hormone imbalance causes the vaginal lining and intestinal linings to become thin and less moist. Which can lead to both BV or IBS. What I do first thing in the morning now, even before I have my probiotics, is take one level teaspoon of L-glutamine added to some water (4 oz of purified water approximately), put the cap on the bottle, and shake up well to disolve. (I use an empty plastic drink bottle.) Then drink it right away. I do this on an empty stomach. Then within the next ten minutes or so, I do my probiotic mixture with distilled water and drink that right away. Whenever you do this, it should be one hour before a meal or an hour and a half after a meal. Just so the suppliments have a chance to get into your intestines unimpeded. I have been taking for the past two weeks, and I notice that I'm not as bloated as I was before. It seems to be working for me so far.

[ http://www.vegatest.info/irritable_bowel_syndrome.html ]
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutamine ]
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post May 24 2007, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(Morphia @ May 23 2007, 04:03 PM) *
Jennifer, I'm sorry I can't remember if you already said this. But do you smoke? Just curious. I quit when I was treating my yeast before I knew I had bv. But I started back up when I started treating the bv. I'm hoping that with the 14 days of flagyl minus the smoking I can get rid of this stuff.

I'm pretty sure I've got an infection brewing in there. Not only do I have that watery, brown discharge, but I have a thick discharge that's yellow with a slight cast of green. My pain is getting worse. Hopefully I don't have to go to the emergency room. My appointment is at 9:30 tomorrow morning. I should be able to make it until then.


No I don't smoke. That kind of discharge does sound like an infection. Keep me updated on the results. I have never had anything like that after a colpo.
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post May 24 2007, 11:29 AM
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hey ladies. we're almost at 2,000 replies on here! haha... anyway, i've been using the yeast arrest for 3 days now and i am starting to get vaginal dryness. and it kinda itches sometimes too. not enough to make me stop using it though. mfc10 suggested estrogen cream for that so i think i will buy some. do you need a prescription for that? and where can you get it???


My estrogen cream was prescription: Estrace (estradiol). But I know there are some non-prescription estrogens based on estriol out there.

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post May 24 2007, 07:58 AM
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hey ladies. we're almost at 2,000 replies on here! haha... anyway, i've been using the yeast arrest for 3 days now and i am starting to get vaginal dryness. and it kinda itches sometimes too. not enough to make me stop using it though. mfc10 suggested estrogen cream for that so i think i will buy some. do you need a prescription for that? and where can you get it???
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post May 24 2007, 07:01 AM
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Morphia,
I was just wondering how you were feeling? If your symtoms are getting any better. What kind of cultures did your doctor do. Did you thank him for not giving you any information of how to care for yourself after the colpo?

ilovehim, Don't give up....this all will get sorted out one day. I get depressed about it to, it's hard not to sometimes.

There are things much worse than bv though..(I tell myself that a lot). I am gonna keep my "fuck it" attitude about what people think of me, and focus on more important things in life such as my children, and my future.

I do remember the high school days, and I wouldn't want to go back for nothing. I wouldn't want to be a teenager again either. As a matter of fact if I had the choice of going back to high school and being a teenager again and being cured of bv, or battling bv now. I would choose the bv fight.

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post May 23 2007, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(kmfkmb @ May 23 2007, 02:28 PM) *
Has anyone tried the Today pH Balance Restore vitamin C tablets that you insert inside your vagina? They say it is used to treat BV.

Thanks.

I ordered the product (from drugstore.com) but I haven't used it yet. I've been feeling good and BV-free for a while, so I'm not sure I'm going to.

I was initially excited about the product, but after thinking about it, I'm not sure that simply acidifying the vagina is useful (which is what this product does). A lot of members in here have focused on that (someone even mentioned battery acid - only as a joke but you get the idea), and I used to think it was a good idea, but I'm not sure it works that way anymore.

Not to mention, this stuff is expensive. Do I think this product will help? Maaaaaybe. I don't think it will hurt. I think it's worth a try if you're willing to pay for it.

Sorry I don't have a better answer than that.


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post May 23 2007, 04:46 PM
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Jennifer, I'm sorry I can't remember if you already said this. But do you smoke? Just curious. I quit when I was treating my yeast before I knew I had bv. But I started back up when I started treating the bv. I'm hoping that with the 14 days of flagyl minus the smoking I can get rid of this stuff.

I'm pretty sure I've got an infection brewing in there. Not only do I have that watery, brown discharge, but I have a thick discharge that's yellow with a slight cast of green. My pain is getting worse. Hopefully I don't have to go to the emergency room. My appointment is at 9:30 tomorrow morning. I should be able to make it until then.
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post May 23 2007, 03:11 PM
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Has anyone tried the Today pH Balance Restore vitamin C tablets that you insert inside your vagina? They say it is used to treat BV.

Thanks.
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QUOTE(Morphia @ May 23 2007, 02:02 PM) *
I thought about that too. I also think about the fact that there is blood too and blood has a higher ph.

I also just noticed that I really am having a watery brown discharge. This time I know for sure that its not blood. I'm soaking my undies yet again and I don't know if its from the colpo, the bv, the yeast or everything. I can still FEEL it. Every now and then I'll get little jabs of pain and from what I understand I'm not supposed to be feeling anything this long after a colpo.

I just took a diflucan and can only hope it helps. But I doubt that it will since I tested positive for yeast just 4 days after I took one. I'm also about to start my period. (How is my pH supposed to stabilize with all of this bleeding I'm doing?!).I'm sorry girls but I just don't see a light at the end of this tunnel. I have an appointment to have a lump in my breast checked out tomorrow, and I'm going to have him check my cervix for infection while I'm in there. I'm terrified to have something stuck in there again because of all the burning I experienced last time. This is also a different doctor. He's younger, so I'm going to ask him if he knows anything about culturing discharge and sending it to a lab. If he says he too doesn't do cultures I'm going to be crushed. I really hope my biopsies aren't infected because that would mean more broad spectrum antibiotics. I can't deal with that.


I never have much discharge come out, only a little bit right after it's done but the doctor always puts this coffee ground-like stuff in there after that gets really hard and comes out in a couple days. It is suppose to prevent infection I guess. Does you doctor put that stuff in after your colpos? I still get little jabs of pain every now and then ever since I had my leep procedure. Don't know if it's normal or not.
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