[bvgirl]

SMILE EVERYONE...LIVE TODAY LIKE YOU HAVE NOT A CARE IN THE WORLD..YOU DONT CARE THAT YOU MAY BE HAVING BV AND OR BV SYMPTOMS, YOU DONT CARE THAT YOUR BOSS IS ON YOU BACK ALL THE TIME, YOU DONT CARE THAT THE SINK DRIPS ALL NIGHT,LOL... All I am saying is that we are all in the same boat and we are frustrated at times and angry because of this bv but just realize if you keep pluggin in and stay informed about our battle with bv you will conquer it.. Yes, it is a headache..Yes, I it is stressful but ladies hang in there.. Laugh a little if you can, smile even if you dont want to because of bv.. Just know that you will find relief.. I truly do believe that.. If you are experiencing any unsual discharges and or something suspect please go to the doctor we want you all healthy and we are not doctors so please get the appropriate help..We care.. That is my story and I am sticking to it...LOL
I just had to say that.. Sorry if it was cheesy..

[neverending]

Yeah ... but it's all been pretty much USELESS, hasn't it?

Because from your research you should have learned ATROPHIC VAGINITIS is not the same thing as BV.
Wow, that's just not true. Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass.
For the record, I'm the one who alerted the Trich possibility in here just a couple of weeks ago, and Neverending is the one who pooh-pooh'ed that suggestion.

Fascinating.

1. Of course I know that Atrophic vaginitis and BV aren't the same thing. DUH! I'm saying I got bv because of the Atrophic vag.


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Atrophic vaginitis may make you more prone to vaginal infections caused by bacteria or fungi (yeast).

Atrophic vaginitis can also cause open sores or cracks in the vaginal wall.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000892.htm

2.I said I don't remember. I didn't say I was positive none of the girls had green discharge.

3. Are you looking for PRAISE LORI? Everybody say hail LORI. LOL! You are a control freak and I believe you have come to this board not to help people but to further frustrate them. And for the record, I usually skip over your posts but as I was going down the page and saw my name in your post, I had to read it. So, with that being said, I have no clue what you said 2 weeks ago.

[lori]

TEAMWORK..TEAMWORK... Helps us all out..Being sensitive towards others and focusing on creating a positive atmosphere with our suggestions, opinions and views.. Lets continue to help one another and be kind towards one another..

Yeah, I'm totally for that. I'm not here to fight.

All I said to Christina is:

1. don't use Estroil
2. don't expect boric acid to have cured you

Both sound advice, and I was rewarded with curses. I did not respond in kind, I just said what NEEDED TO BE SAID.

[bvgirl]

TEAMWORK..TEAMWORK... Helps us all out..Being sensitive towards others and focusing on creating a positive atmosphere with our suggestions, opinions and views.. Lets continue to help one another and be kind towards one another..

[bvgirl]

Like, I stated before I take my probiotics with the yeast arrest.. Logically, anyone dealing with re ocurring bv and bv symptoms would gradually see that it may take a combination of things to use not to say overkill and irritate the vagina but not one over the counter or prescribed medicine that "cures" is the ONLY answer to help with bv and or reocurring bv symptoms... Just like I stated and use myself probiotics help and can help greatly and you just stated it too.. There is no miracle prescribed medicine and or over the counter product.. What works well for one may not be the answer for another..That is why bv and reocurring bv is so frustrating to deal with...A combination of the right products whether it be prescribed and or over the counter may help some and may or may not help relieve some for a prolonged time or not.. BV, is not just a simple situation to deal with..

[lori]

If you feel like you are having some discharge that may worry you please go to the doctor and get checked out to see if there may be something else involved..

Yeap.

Good to see more voices of reason, finally.

[bvgirl]

ANITSIRHC--no no! it definitely helped and lessened the bv and symptoms. when it does come back it's actually different then it was before. it's thinner, it's like light brownish pinkish in color (instead of thick and yellowish-green) and it doesn't smell as bad, actually it's a completely different smell. it does smell though. and i did mess up with the dossage once. i went away for a long weekend and didn't realized i only had enough yeast arrest for 2 of the 4 days, so i kind of spread them out so they would last me until i got home and got a new jar. and while i did that, it did come back after like 2 days of not using it right. so maybe that's why it didn't work? that's the only time i messed up... i'm not sure if i should try it again for longer or if i should try something new. i didn't have any side effects except for a little itching once in a while. i'm going on vacation in 2 weeks to vegas and i don't want to have the green discharge while i'm there so after that i will decide what to do. i think i will only use the yeast arrest once every 2 or 3 days for now just to keep it away until i get back and decide what to do. thanks bvgirl for your help.

My response:
I wish you all the luck in finding that it will help you in the long run and or finding a product that better suits you..I am a little concerned about the discharge you are describing.. The reason why I say that is that I do not experience a brownish pinkish with yeast arrest.. The discharge I have is just the leftovers of the suppository which is yellowish. Also, I did not experience the greenish.. I just wanted to point that out to you.. We are all different but with the discharge you are describing I just have not experienced that... Just voicing some concerns..If you feel like you are having some discharge that may worry you please go to the doctor and get checked out to see if there may be something else involved..You are much welcomed.. I thank you and the rest for your help..Teamwork to this helps us all...

[lori]

I have put more than a year into researching this stuff and ladies everything that I have put in these posts have been true. Look them up for yourself and don't let asshole tell you any different.

Yeah ... but it's all been pretty much USELESS, hasn't it?

Because from your research you should have learned ATROPHIC VAGINITIS is not the same thing as BV.

I've been here for a year and a half and I don't remember any one girl complaining of green discharge.

Wow, that's just not true.

Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass. Why have you gone crazy, Neverending? Was me saying your Dr. Helen is a quack really that upsetting? That buying unlabeled hormone pills from the internet is a bad idea? That's got you so mad you've lost your marbles?

Did your doctor do a wet prep or culture? I remember being in the lab and everytime we got a prep in where the tip (of the swab) was green, it was usually TRICH. I'm not trying to say anyone has been unfaithful to you. It's just a thought!

For the record, I'm the one who alerted the Trich possibility in here just a couple of weeks ago, and Neverending is the one who pooh-pooh'ed that suggestion.

Very fascinating.

[lori]

Well, if you ASK me if it cures it cures meaning that you should not have to deal with it again and or deal with it reoccurring.. Put it this way if it cures then that means that you should not have it to reocurr..

No, not really.

I could have gonorrhea (example). I could take [whatever cures it]. I am cured. BUT I could always get it again.

So logically, one would focus on the prevention of that recurrence (i.e., don't expose myself to gonorrhea again).

So that's the way I think about it. Flagyl "cures" the BV, and then you have to find a way to prevent the recurrence. And I think this is a better way to think about it than to simply tell everyone "flagyl doesn't work at all," because you said so yourself - no OTC product can cure it, either.

And again, my focus is on overall health, not just controlling the symptoms. As I said before, an untreated BV infection can have serious health effects. Just controlling the symptoms - which is what you're suggesting - is not enough.

If there is a "cure" for reocuring bv and bv symptoms let me know and then I may change the way I feel about it..

Yes, it's called pro-biotics. (The opposite of anti-biotics.) Dr. Stewart agrees with me. I really wish I had read her book earlier, so it wouldn't have taken me years and many hours on the internet to figure that out.

She's very discouraging about pro-biotic products that actually work, though (she calls it a "pipe-dream"). But the book was written in 2002, so hopefully the products that have come out after that are more effective. (e.g., fem-dophilus, released in 2006) Do I *know* that it's a cure? No. But the way it claims to work makes the most medical sense, and the research is good. Step in the right direction, at the very least.

[neverending]

Now you're just making stuff up.

- Atrophic vaginitis can cause vaginal discharge and irritation, period. It doesn't develop only after a "long" time
- A woman of any age can suffer from Atrophic vaginitis, not just older menopausal women

Please read, learn, and inform yourself for YOUR sake, and stop spreading misinformation for everyone else's.

I have put more than a year into researching this stuff and ladies everything that I have put in these posts have been true. Look them up for yourself and don't let asshole tell you any different.

[neverending]

no no! it definitely helped and lessened the bv and symptoms. when it does come back it's actually different then it was before. it's thinner, it's like light brownish pinkish in color (instead of thick and yellowish-green) and it doesn't smell as bad, actually it's a completely different smell. it does smell though. and i did mess up with the dossage once. i went away for a long weekend and didn't realized i only had enough yeast arrest for 2 of the 4 days, so i kind of spread them out so they would last me until i got home and got a new jar. and while i did that, it did come back after like 2 days of not using it right. so maybe that's why it didn't work? that's the only time i messed up... i'm not sure if i should try it again for longer or if i should try something new. i didn't have any side effects except for a little itching once in a while. i'm going on vacation in 2 weeks to vegas and i don't want to have the green discharge while i'm there so after that i will decide what to do. i think i will only use the yeast arrest once every 2 or 3 days for now just to keep it away until i get back and decide what to do. thanks bvgirl for your help.

Not to get in your business but green discharge is something different than many of the ladies have experienced here. I've been here for a year and a half and I don't remember any one girl complaining of green discharge. Did your doctor do a wet prep or culture? I remember being in the lab and everytime we got a prep in where the tip (of the swab) was green, it was usually TRICH. I'm not trying to say anyone has been unfaithful to you. It's just a thought!

[lori]

I've read that if you let Atrophic Vag. go for soooo long, it will mimick other symptoms (like bv). I am too young to have had Atrophic vag. ...

Now you're just making stuff up.

- Atrophic vaginitis can cause vaginal discharge and irritation, period. It doesn't develop only after a "long" time
- A woman of any age can suffer from Atrophic vaginitis, not just older menopausal women

Please read, learn, and inform yourself for YOUR sake, and stop spreading misinformation for everyone else's.

[bvgirl]

Untrue.

Prescription medicine says it can cure. The problem is that the BV recurs. This is an important distinction that everyone is missing. To say that the meds just "don't work" is wrong - because that means that it has no activity against BV at all, not even for a day, and that is untrue.

The key is to figure out how to prevent that recurrence. Not to beat this horse to death, but I don't know why no one gets this.

I totally understand everyone's reservations about taking the antibiotics. I wrote in my very first post that both flagyl and clindamycin have made me ill. Not to mention that I recently learned that both drugs can cause other types of vaginitis in our bodies, and possibly other long-term side effects. (Believe me, I'm quite upset about these discoveries, but it's better to know than not. Not to mention that I'm just as upset as anyone that there are no better solutions available.)

But make an informed choice rather than just rely on false statements in here that say, "antibiotics don't work."

Well, if you ASK me if it cures it cures meaning that you should not have to deal with it again and or deal with it reoccurring.. Put it this way if it cures then that means that you should not have it to reocurr.. Again.. Yes, I understand that bv ocurrs and reocurrs but I do not totally BUY into a cure (an actual medicine or product) that CURES bv.. I think about it in a totally different way than you do.. That is how I feel and I do not care about what a product says it cures because if you ask me if I am to be cured by a product I should not have to deal with it reocurring.. That is how I feel no matter what anyone says or states what a product can cure regarding bv.. Maybe it is chemical and maybe its because some people can be cured by one of many many products that are out here but to me because I have been through so many prescribed medicines( and believe me the pharmaceutical companies cannot make money off of one product that "cures" someone from something they see profit and the many products they create or mastermind will only fatten their wallets so the more products that say that "cures" one of bv the more money they make off of us who are suffering chronically from re occurring bv and bv symptoms that should not be reocurring because of the "cure" product that they mastermind to cease all bv and its reoccurring epidodes.. So, why don't they "cure" the reocurring bv? Yes, I know it is related and or closely related to our ph balance but where is the "cure" for that? Thats my story and I am sticking to it... That is how I feel I have every right to feel this way becasue I am living with bv and bv symptoms even though they are not present currently these are my feelings exactly..If there is a "cure" for reocuring bv and bv symptoms let me know and then I may change the way I feel about it..
Yeast arrest has helped relieve my bv and bv symptoms but it is not a cure becasue it can come back again anytime this I know and many here know that any product whether over the counter or prescribed is not 100% guaranteed to help relieve you of bv and or cure and or stop any re ocurring bv ... I never said to anyone to not take what was prescribed to you by your doctor, I never said that prescribed medicines dont work what I am saying is do not be upset if it does not help or work.. I am making the correct steps to stay informed and keep a broad view about bv...One product or prescribed medicine that "cures" will not always benefit everyone..We all have different tolerances..

[neverending]

lori, i've refused to take the medicatios because i've used them numerous times and they don't work. why would i take something over and over again when i know it doesn't work? i'm very desperate to find something that works and that's why i try things that other people on here have tried successfully.

it would be stupid of me to take the same medications the doctor give me over and over again when it just comes back a lot worse after every time i take it. so yes, i refuse to take the medications. no i'm not going to go through a week of flagyl every month to waste money and time and probably do harm to my body, not to mention feel like crap. only to have it come back a week later a million times worse than before. no thank you.

i'm in a terrible mood as it is because this didn't work, honestly i don't need you telling me that boric acid won't work when i've been reading this forum longer than you have. i came here to vent, not for someone to talk to me like i'm stupid for thinking something might have worked for a change.

by the way, neverending was not the only person who had success with the estroil. and who are you to say her problem wasn't bv?

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Hun if you listen to Lori you'll never figure out what's wrong with you and you will be here another year. I had BV/HORMONAL vag! Plan and simple. I had the shit, fish, tuna, trash, ammonia, and even the popcorn smell. I had the white milky discharge. Everything that you ladies are going through, I've been there. TRUST ME! Everytime I went to the doctor that's what I was diagnosed with BV. I've read that if you let Atrophic Vag. go for soooo long, it will mimick other symptoms (like bv). I am too young to have had Atrophic vag. and I think the doctors didn't consider it because of my age but time after time I told them I never had any problems until I stopped taking the birth control. That should have clicked in there minds but it didn't so I did what I had to do and it worked.

[lori]

I have helped one other person who has suffered with vaginal infections as long as I had and that makes me feel damn good.

Good for you neverending. After over a year of posting, you've helped one person. And you've also helped at least 5 other people waste their money.

I think that every single poster in here have helped at least one other member through sharing their experiences. Except for you. Do you know why? BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE BV. How do I know this? Because YOU'VE BEEN SAYING THAT SINCE PAGE ONE OF THIS THREAD.

(For the life of me, I don't know why no one noticed that until now.)

Anyway, I do sincerely hope that you do stop peddling Estroil in here. It's a sketchy product from a sketchy source. And ... oh yeah, you don't even have BV.

[anitsirhc]

Sorry , to hear that the yeast arrest has not helped to lessen the bv and bv symptoms. You say that you have used it for a whole month. Have you used it everyday without skipping for a whole month? Also, it states that some women may need to take it longer than a month because everyone responds differently. Being consistent and not skipping any days may help and can only improve your condition. It may be that you need more time(longer than a month) using the yeast arrest (that is if you are not having any bad side effects)and or the need to take it everyday like clockwork(being consistent no matter if you have sex or not)(remember in order to get on the maintaining cycle of the yeast arrest you first must get the bv under control), or to search out another product because you believe that the yeast arrest is not effective enough for your bv and bv symptoms. With any product you use it is up to you and(or your doctor whatever applies to you and will not harm you with bad side effects with prolong use), to decide to use it longer to see if that is what is needed to help relieve you of your symptoms but if you believe that you have been consistent and used it as directed and did not skip any dosage and you feel that is not the right product for you then understand just that and research and get involved in finding a product that will work for you. There is so much information out here for us we just have to continue to tap into it and get together on this board and spread the information around to one another. Yeast arrest is not a cure as a matter of fact I have not ran into a product( or prescribed medicine) that says it cures bv and bv symptoms. So, with that being said the deal we have in front of us is to find a product that will provide relief until they do find a cure if that happens. Also, if and when you do decide to use another product I would suggest to you that you give your vagina a break in between because using different products does not help and may irritate you.

no no! it definitely helped and lessened the bv and symptoms. when it does come back it's actually different then it was before. it's thinner, it's like light brownish pinkish in color (instead of thick and yellowish-green) and it doesn't smell as bad, actually it's a completely different smell. it does smell though. and i did mess up with the dossage once. i went away for a long weekend and didn't realized i only had enough yeast arrest for 2 of the 4 days, so i kind of spread them out so they would last me until i got home and got a new jar. and while i did that, it did come back after like 2 days of not using it right. so maybe that's why it didn't work? that's the only time i messed up... i'm not sure if i should try it again for longer or if i should try something new. i didn't have any side effects except for a little itching once in a while. i'm going on vacation in 2 weeks to vegas and i don't want to have the green discharge while i'm there so after that i will decide what to do. i think i will only use the yeast arrest once every 2 or 3 days for now just to keep it away until i get back and decide what to do. thanks bvgirl for your help.

[lori]

Yeast arrest is not a cure as a matter of fact I have not ran into a product( or prescribed medicine) that says it cures bv and bv symptoms.

Untrue.

Prescription medicine says it can cure. The problem is that the BV recurs. This is an important distinction that everyone is missing. To say that the meds just "don't work" is wrong - because that means that it has no activity against BV at all, not even for a day, and that is untrue.

The key is to figure out how to prevent that recurrence. Not to beat this horse to death, but I don't know why no one gets this.

I totally understand everyone's reservations about taking the antibiotics. I wrote in my very first post that both flagyl and clindamycin have made me ill. Not to mention that I recently learned that both drugs can cause other types of vaginitis in our bodies, and possibly other long-term side effects. (Believe me, I'm quite upset about these discoveries, but it's better to know than not. Not to mention that I'm just as upset as anyone that there are no better solutions available.)

But make an informed choice rather than just rely on false statements in here that say, "antibiotics don't work."

[neverending]

And I read the entire thread, so who's been here longer is not relevant. And venting is fine, but you're having problems because you knowingly failed to take meds for a diagnosed, active infection. What do you expect anyone to say?

Flagyl has a pretty high efficacy rate. It's not that it doesn't work, it's that the infection recurs. There is a difference.
Because she's been insistent that she has a hormonal problem since Page 1 of this thread. It's called atrophic vaginitis, and she's the one who says that she's had that ... for well over a year. It's a different problem that's treated with different meds. It's fine that she posts here, but for some reason, no one (including her) seems to realize that it's a different condition.

Estroil comes in an unlabeled jar without instructions (read the thread). But about 6 people ordered it from this thread (and who knows how many lurkers), and it only allegedly worked for one person besides Neverending.

Neverending, if you're reading - it's very irresponsible of you that you've been recommending this product to other members in here, after insisting that you have atrophic vaginitis! It's a different condition! At the very least, you should have suggested that members first verify their hormonal problems with their doctors!

As another member posted (see June 17) - you shouldn't mess around with hormone products. At least not from some quack who sells unlabeled hormone pills from a PO Box in Irvine, California.

Hun, you have real problems AND TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST, YOU ARE THE ONLY QUACK THAT I (AND OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD) HAVE RUN INTO. You are not these peoples mother so you should shut your fucking mouth because like others, I as well have gotten tired of your bull shit. So, go to hell bitch. I have helped one other person who has suffered with vaginal infections as long as I had and that makes me feel damn good. Who have you helped cure? That's what I thought. NO ONE!

[bvgirl]

ok so after using the yeast arrest for a month the bv was gone for 5 days, came back so i put another one in, gone for 3 days, and yesterday it came back again, so i inserted one tonight. now i'm starting to get depressed again. i don't want to have to put this in every 3 days for the rest of my life. i guess it's on to the next thing. maybe i will try estriol however you spell it. i feel like crying.

Sorry , to hear that the yeast arrest has not helped to lessen the bv and bv symptoms. You say that you have used it for a whole month. Have you used it everyday without skipping for a whole month? Also, it states that some women may need to take it longer than a month because everyone responds differently. Being consistent and not skipping any days may help and can only improve your condition. It may be that you need more time(longer than a month) using the yeast arrest (that is if you are not having any bad side effects)and or the need to take it everyday like clockwork(being consistent no matter if you have sex or not)(remember in order to get on the maintaining cycle of the yeast arrest you first must get the bv under control), or to search out another product because you believe that the yeast arrest is not effective enough for your bv and bv symptoms. With any product you use it is up to you and(or your doctor whatever applies to you and will not harm you with bad side effects with prolong use), to decide to use it longer to see if that is what is needed to help relieve you of your symptoms but if you believe that you have been consistent and used it as directed and did not skip any dosage and you feel that is not the right product for you then understand just that and research and get involved in finding a product that will work for you. There is so much information out here for us we just have to continue to tap into it and get together on this board and spread the information around to one another. Yeast arrest is not a cure as a matter of fact I have not ran into a product( or prescribed medicine) that says it cures bv and bv symptoms. So, with that being said the deal we have in front of us is to find a product that will provide relief until they do find a cure if that happens. Also, if and when you do decide to use another product I would suggest to you that you give your vagina a break in between because using different products does not help and may irritate you. CHEER UP ..HANG IN THERE.. If I ever find anything that may be useful as far as products or anything that may help you or anyone here on this board I will pass it along...HANG IN THERE..

[lori]

YIKES. I will say that I told everyone that boric acid is temporary. I still use it...but that's because I want to occasionally be able to have smell-free sex. It's not a cure, though. It's still a great product, and it certainly can be used after antibiotics to ward off new BV or yeast.

Yes, you did say that, Sassy. In fact, boric acid is probably the best non-pharmaceutical solution anyone has come up with as far as dealing with the smell.

I don't think anyone on here has given intentional bad information. They just share what works for them.

My problem is with posts like these - On 5/21, Jewelscando wrote the following post (unedited):

If you have true, re-occuring B.V., I hate to be the barrier of bad news, but the Flagyl, orally, won't work. It will VERY temporarily, but you will get a yeast infection, and your B.V. will return. If this is a one time case for you, then you might get lucky and it will work.

For me, Flagyl vaginally is the ONLY solution right now. Mine is gone. And, I'm not doing any preventative either.

I've had reoccuring B.V. now for 5 going on 6 yrs. And this is the first time, I've gone MONTHS, with no smell. Even after sex.

So...The solutions are here girls, Flagyl Vaginally, Estroil, and maybe 1 or two others. All these other remedies you all are trying, are not going to work, IN THE LONG RUN. AND THAT'S JUST MY OPPINION!!!!

Sure, she added "it's just my opinion" at the end, but that doesn't change the fact that this is grossly misleading, inaccurate, and potentially harmful post. And obviously some people are taking this bad advice.

Sorry to put you on the spot, Sassy. I don't want to argue with you. But I do want to justify my statements.