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DeeRayy
post Jun 16 2011, 10:40 PM
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DeeRayy, I looked at that post in the link that almost made you cry. I have to say, I thought that chick's boobs were really attractive. Yes, they are two different sizes - but that gives them personality! The fact that they are not the standard, round, bolt-ons makes them much more appealing to me. And her nipples were especially lovely. Obviously she won't be reading this, so I'm not saying it to make her feel good.


yeah, i kinda wanna clarify something about that post. i didn't tear up reading the post because i felt sorry for her (i see now that that's what it kind of sounded like in my original post). I agree that there's nothing wrong with her boobs at all. i just really related to the content that she wrote about her feelings of shame, embarrassment, etc. i have had those exact same feelings in the past and so i empathize with anyone else who feels or has felt that way about their breasts. just clearing that up, i didn't pity her, i just really related to her struggles.
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post Jun 16 2011, 07:05 PM
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I also really needed this today, strongirl! I am having a bad boobie day. sad.gif I was went to the lake for the first time of the summer. And of course, i fell into old (BAD) habits of totally comparing myself to a lot of the girls there, and feeling woefully inadequate over my lack of curves and being outboobed by half the junior highers. dry.gif I really need to adjust my attitude here! Maybe i should instead be looking to CELEBRATE the DIVERSITY of bodies that are there, INCLUDING lil ol' meeeeeeee.

QUOTE(DeeRayy @ Jun 16 2011, 03:24 PM) *
from now on i'm going to try and see my breasts as one of those things that makes me who i am. they're unique traits, not "flaws". they're mine and there's no other pair on the planet that's exactly like them.


Hey... yea! This really resonated with me, DeeRayy. I spent some time on that 007 web site that Anarch posted and started scouring the pages for boobies jussst like mine - small, pointy, one a bit larger than the other, big areolas that are out of proportion... EPIC FAIL. Now i am sort of thinking this is a good thing. smile.gif

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DeeRayy, I looked at that post in the link that almost made you cry. I have to say, I thought that chick's boobs were really attractive. Yes, they are two different sizes - but that gives them personality! The fact that they are not the standard, round, bolt-ons makes them much more appealing to me. And her nipples were especially lovely.


I was thinking these exact same things!!

So much good stuff today. All my bad boobie feelings have instantly melted away! Thanks everyone!!! smile.gif
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post Jun 16 2011, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(strongirl @ Jun 16 2011, 04:58 AM) *
Cindy Crawford's mole, Seal's scars...those features raise them up aesthetically, not diminish them. We should celebrate our unique qualities, not bemoan the ways in which we don't look "normal".


oh strongirl you have no idea how much i needed to hear this today. i kinda went through an incident today that made me think about an old insecurity of mine. i had to go to jury duty today (unfortunately), and i ended up talking to a nice elderly lady, and about a few hours into the waiting period she finally said "i just have to ask this, but what is your ethnic background?". i replied that i was hispanic and she was really surprised. she had thought i was middle eastern the entire time (this has a point, i promise). and right when she said that i thought to myself, "grrr, it's because of my darn nose!". i've always had people get confused when trying to guess my ethnicity because i have a dark complexion, loooong jet black hair, and, as i've mentioned before, a hooked nose (my nose looks basically like ashlee simpson's before she got her nose job). and for as long as i can remember people have had trouble deciding whether i'm hispanic or middle eastern. anyway, i got kinda self conscious about my nose again for a little, and i was texting my aunt about it and how my nose makes me feel odd looking, to which she replied, "you're not odd looking, you're exotic!". and after i thought about it a little more i remembered why i hardly ever think about my nose anymore- because it distinguishes me from other people, which is a good thing. just like seal's scars and cindy crawford's mole.

sorry about the whole nose tangent (i like to vent haha). but i think it really relates to how i see my breasts; something that differs from the norm of what you see in the media. and from now on i'm going to try and see my breasts as one of those things that makes me who i am. they're unique traits, not "flaws". they're mine and there's no other pair on the planet that's exactly like them.
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post Jun 16 2011, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE(strongirl @ Jun 16 2011, 11:58 AM) *
Cindy Crawford's mole, Seal's scars...those features raise them up aesthetically, not diminish them. We should celebrate our unique qualities, not bemoan the ways in which we don't look "normal".

Amen to that!!

And I agree, too, that we should see more celebration of diversity even when the small-chested are featured. But in this day and age of implant madness, I think it's pretty awesome that they'd pick smaller-breasted, natural models. Hell, it's a start!! wink.gif
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post Jun 16 2011, 06:58 AM
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DeeRayy, I looked at that post in the link that almost made you cry. I have to say, I thought that chick's boobs were really attractive. Yes, they are two different sizes - but that gives them personality! The fact that they are not the standard, round, bolt-ons makes them much more appealing to me. And her nipples were especially lovely. Obviously she won't be reading this, so I'm not saying it to make her feel good. The point I'm trying to make is that, to me, it's the quirky, unique qualities of any part of anyone that makes them truly attractive and beautiful - not the "measuring up" to arbitrary standards of shape, size, or whatever. Cindy Crawford's mole, Seal's scars...those features raise them up aesthetically, not diminish them. We should celebrate our unique qualities, not bemoan the ways in which we don't look "normal".

On a less philosophical note, my bf has a "thing" for pointy boobs - he thinks they're much hotter than the round standard. Maybe because bra's squish boobs into that round shape, but you see pointy and you think "free boobies, no bra, free-spirited woman", or something like that. When they look perfectly round without a bra, I think it's kinda creepy myself.



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post Jun 15 2011, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE(karategrrl @ Jun 9 2011, 08:41 AM) *
A big, booblet-smushing hug of WELCOME!



CHEST BUMP! wink.gif WOO!

Sorry... I now return you to your regularly scheduled boobie programming.
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post Jun 15 2011, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE(anarch @ Jun 15 2011, 06:03 PM) *
Am I correct in thinking that this design itself sort of suggests boobage? I may be wrong. I don't have a great eye for fashion like some of y'all.


Yes, i do see some suggestion there. smile.gif

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I can't remember which of you originally posted a link to the excellent "normal breasts galleries" at 007b.com, but it came up recently in my twitter feed so I figure it's time to link it again in here. Non-sexualized boobs of all shapes and sizes!


Hey, yeah, i saw this before. It's great! Thanks for reposting this, Anarch!

Oh yeah, and skindeep, congrats on the going braless thing. Like Karategrrl, i have issues with that cause of the activated headlights, LOL. But i tell ya my ex-BF looooved it when i did that. wink.gif For some reason, small breasts seem sexier than larger ones when going sans bra.
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post Jun 15 2011, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(skindeep1991 @ Jun 14 2011, 08:58 AM) *
i've tried some of the tips, I still feel a bit strange talking to them.


skindeep, you're awesome. Yes it does feel strange when we try out something new, doesn't it! Of course sometimes we eventually get used to it, and then it just becomes "normal."


I've been eyeing this striped bebe top. Am I correct in thinking that this design itself sort of suggests boobage? I may be wrong. I don't have a great eye for fashion like some of y'all.

I can't remember which of you originally posted a link to the excellent "normal breasts galleries" at 007b.com, but it came up recently in my twitter feed so I figure it's time to link it again in here. Non-sexualized boobs of all shapes and sizes!
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post Jun 15 2011, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(DeeRayy @ Jun 15 2011, 04:09 PM) *
why are women placing so much worth on two glands of fat? and why are we letting these body parts dictate our self esteem? it's madness!


OMG, DeeRayy, i was thinking this exact same thing the other day. I was all like, "these are essentially just two lumps of fat hanging from our chests. Why do we value these so much?" ha ha You know? I mean of course they have value in feeding our children, but studies show that even the smallest breasts can produce enough milk. hmm... yeah.

Thanks for sharing that link, Karateegrrl. Hooray for booblets! smile.gif But i also agree with Dee in that they could probably go even further in presenting all sorts of body types. I totalllly feel ya on the pointy boobs thing. It seems that there are even ideal small breasts, too. *sigh* unsure.gif
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post Jun 15 2011, 03:09 PM
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btw, i was looking again at that stop hating your body site, and i came across a post that just really got me. here's the link

http://stophatingyourbody.tumblr.com/post/...aged-somehow-to

i nearly cried reading her post, idk why but something about it moved me so much. it's so worrying to me that breasts are becoming such an enormous insecurity for women of all shapes and sizes. whether those insecurities be about their size, shape, level of perkiness, evenness, stretchmarks, areolas, everything! why are women placing so much worth on two glands of fat? and why are we letting these body parts dictate our self esteem? it's madness!
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post Jun 15 2011, 02:45 PM
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QUOTE(karategrrl @ Jun 15 2011, 10:17 AM) *
This girl may be bigger than most of us, but shit, she's small-boobed!!! Natural!!!!! Yippee for REAL boobies!


haha, yeah it gets tiring seeing implants plastered on ads anywhere. the only problem i have is that i wish they would show more variety when it comes to the shape of boobs. all the girls i see in the ad industry, even if they're small busted, have the same perfectly rounded breasts. and well, mine aren't like that! they're more pointy than round. i'd even like to see a greater variety when it comes to the bigger busted gals too. because i think it's important to remind girls that not only do boobs come in all sizes, but they also come in different shapes as well.
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post Jun 15 2011, 12:17 PM
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Had to share this: Ad for a mainstream clothing company featuring bOOblets! (I doubt this appears in the US though--maybe Europe?)

Scroll to the ad on right--woman in yellow

Also this:
Jeans???? Ha ha

This girl may be bigger than most of us, but shit, she's small-boobed!!! Natural!!!!! Yippee for REAL boobies!
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post Jun 15 2011, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(DeeRayy @ Jun 14 2011, 07:52 PM) *
i agree that smaller bras are definitely cuter. the only problem i have is that a-cup bras are usually extremely padded. it's really hard for me to find any bras in my size that aren't "push up" or "enhancing" bras. it's kind of insulting. i usually wear bras that are lined with a thin layer of padding, just to add a little bit of shape.

Yeah, the smaller bras are definetely cuter than the ones that the really, really large-busted gals must wear when support is the priority. However, I thinkI'd find lots more to choose from if I could shop in the B-cup range.

And I totally know about not wanting to pad, but wanting some shape (especially since I have to tone down the highbeams at work!). I've found good luck for basic, everday bras in the teen girls section at Target. Seriously. Some of the colors are cute, but nothing's really sexy, though.
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post Jun 14 2011, 02:52 PM
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Thank you so much everyone for the responses, and i've tried some of the tips, I still feel a bit strange talking to them. But i've stopped wearing a bra when i'm at home and not being to worried about it and yesterday i even drove to pick my boyfriend up without one on. Thats quite a big deal for me as usually I wear rediculously padded bras and sometimes even put fillets in them to make me look like i have bigger boobs. so yay! As for underwear in all honesty seems to be a lot prettier for those girls like us with the smaller breasts, at least in the uk I find it is.


wow, you seem like you've already made a lot of progress! good for you! i don't bother wearing bras around the house either. i was always really afraid of not wearing one even while i was sleeping, not because of the way i looked but because i've always been so ridiculously afraid of sagging (which is pretty ironic considering the size of my breasts haha).

i agree that smaller bras are definitely cuter. the only problem i have is that a-cup bras are usually extremely padded. it's really hard for me to find any bras in my size that aren't "push up" or "enhancing" bras. it's kind of insulting. i usually wear bras that are lined with a thin layer of padding, just to add a little bit of shape.

but anyway, that's really great that you're able to go braless more often now! this is just a suggestion, but maybe eventually you can have a bonfire where you burn all of your ridiculously padded bras and fillets in celebration of your new found confidence! haha, again, it's just a suggestion smile.gif
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post Jun 14 2011, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE(anarch @ Jun 10 2011, 05:14 PM) *
Give yourself some time (like, a year or several) to practice loving them. It's a process.
Surround yourself as much as you can with people who love and respect them (like us, yay!)...and minimize your time as much as possible around people AND MEDIA who put down them, and girls and women who look like us.

I tried on this Victoria's Secret bikini yesterday and was surprised it looked decent. Had to consciously shift my thoughts away from being negative about my linebacker-breadth shoulders and knobbly knees, but I've been practicing that for about two decades now so I was able to do it. The tag description said "minimal" coverage which is, frankly, perfect for the smallies I've got. (Looking at the VS model now, I remember all the links y'all have posted re photoshopping bigger boobs and cleavage shadows into pics. Assholes. But I bought the bikini. Mr Anarch was very enthusiastic!) Also, here's a satirical takedown of the body-shaming culture we live in (more focused on fat-shaming than small-boob-shaming, but still): The Bible is loaded with great advice, and it’s important we remember that makeup companies and the media and plastic surgeons are not foisting some made-up idea of what’s “beautiful” upon women. These laws come straight from the mouth of Dr. Samuel F. Godburgers Himself, issued as He shrieks across the sky astride His prayer-powered Truth Rocket. And the fantastic news is that God’s first “Message to the Ladies” appears in the Old Testament, a text vital to Jews, Christians, and Muslims alike. So don’t be acting like you ain’t heard, unless maybe you grew up in Asia, subscribing to some religion that dilutes its firepower among 330 million Gods (why so many Gods? With that many Gods, there must be Gods named like, “Rick,” or maybe a God of hot turkey sandwiches? Why not?). Or even worse; maybe you were raised in a religion that doesn’t even have a God to give a shit about what you look like in a bikini.
Thank you so much everyone for the responses, and i've tried some of the tips, I still feel a bit strange talking to them. But i've stopped wearing a bra when i'm at home and not being to worried about it and yesterday i even drove to pick my boyfriend up without one on. Thats quite a big deal for me as usually I wear rediculously padded bras and sometimes even put fillets in them to make me look like i have bigger boobs. so yay! As for underwear in all honesty seems to be a lot prettier for those girls like us with the smaller breasts, at least in the uk I find it is.
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post Jun 14 2011, 06:22 AM
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>but to me accepting myself is not as simple as putting two pieces of plastic in my chest.

To me too! If I accepted myself, then I...wouldn't do that. It also irks me when people are so blase about it; You don't like your breasts? Get implants! It's like people just miss the point.

> plus, what if i want kids? what if my body changes after those kids and my breasts end up looking ridiculously huge with the implants still in them? i'm so young, it doesn't make sense. it seems like a permanent solution to a (god willing) temporary problem.

This is a VERY good thing to be thinking about, girl. (You're so smart!) Your breasts WILL change with kids, and IF (hypothetically speaking, of course) you were to get them, better to do so AFTER any big body changes like kids/weight loss/gain, etc.

>because the problem is not my breasts, it's the way i feel about them.

RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!


>it would feel like such a waste to have spent so long trying to accept myself only to get plastic surgery anyway. sigh, this is such a complex issue!

It is, it is!!

btw, has everyone already read this story? it makes me smile smile.gif
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post Jun 14 2011, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE(karategrrl @ Jun 13 2011, 03:41 PM) *
I totally agree, and I looooove love love that I have a place where others "get" my feelings on this. I really try not to judge those who do get the implants, as it is their right and choice, yet...it DOES make it harder for those who don't b/c it's become so accepted.


yes, it is VERY frustrating because everyone who knows about the struggles that i go through about my breasts just scratch their heads when i say i don't want implants. they figure "oh, you don't like something about yourself? get the surgery. easy as that.". and i admit, sometimes it makes me question my own beliefs about it sometimes. like i've said before, there are times when it seems like surgery is the most logical choice. but to me accepting myself is not as simple as putting two pieces of plastic in my chest. plus, what if i want kids? what if my body changes after those kids and my breasts end up looking ridiculously huge with the implants still in them? i'm so young, it doesn't make sense. it seems like a permanent solution to a (god willing) temporary problem. because the problem is not my breasts, it's the way i feel about them. i think the only way i'd even consider getting them is if i had already had all the kids that i wanted and i still felt like i wanted bigger breasts. but even then, i'm already putting so much effort into trying to accept them the way they are. it would feel like such a waste to have spent so long trying to accept myself only to get plastic surgery anyway. sigh, this is such a complex issue!

btw, has everyone already read this story? it makes me smile smile.gif

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-04-19...ry-paperweights
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post Jun 13 2011, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE(DeeRayy @ Jun 13 2011, 08:17 PM) *
i do the whole hair and makeup thing too but those parts of me hold no emotional value. i wear winged eyeliner just about everyday but that's because i like the way it looks- it's not like someone made fun of my eyes and all of a sudden i felt like i had to cover them up. in the case of my breasts, they never REALLY bothered me until other people commented on them. and i wouldn't want to go through major surgery just to please other people. idk, there's something about implants that just doesn't feel right to me. there are still lots of days where it's extremely hard to like my boobs the way they are, but even though accepting myself is the harder route i think it's the right route for me.

I totally agree, and I looooove love love that I have a place where others "get" my feelings on this. I really try not to judge those who do get the implants, as it is their right and choice, yet...it DOES make it harder for those who don't b/c it's become so accepted.
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post Jun 13 2011, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(karategrrl @ Jun 13 2011, 09:01 AM) *
Yep, I feel ya. I realize my own hypocrisy, to a certain degree, b/c I do wear makeup and dye my hair, paint my toenails, etc. but I agree that it's a matter of extremes. Then again, I guess many women feel augmentation isn't extreme. I think what rubs me the wrong way about the implant issue is that it bumps up against too many feminist issues.


agreed, the idea of implants(and plastic surgery in general) definitely hits a certain nerve in me. i've discussed this before with kerabear in pm that for me getting implants would feel like i was "giving in"- to pressure from society, to all the people who have made me feel inadequate because of my boobs in the past, and giving into that critical little voice in my head that says i'm not enough just as i am. so it's more of an internal issue for me. i think if i ever got implants i'd be disappointed with myself for not staying strong.

i do the whole hair and makeup thing too but those parts of me hold no emotional value. i wear winged eyeliner just about everyday but that's because i like the way it looks- it's not like someone made fun of my eyes and all of a sudden i felt like i had to cover them up. in the case of my breasts, they never REALLY bothered me until other people commented on them. and i wouldn't want to go through major surgery just to please other people. idk, there's something about implants that just doesn't feel right to me. there are still lots of days where it's extremely hard to like my boobs the way they are, but even though accepting myself is the harder route i think it's the right route for me.
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post Jun 13 2011, 11:01 AM
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Also, the best social advice I can offer anyone is to cultivate and express a genuine curiosity and interest in other people. If you are focused on making others feel good about themselves, you won't be wondering what they think of you and you will come across as both caring and confident...because you are.Strongirl, totally. Very well-put, and true!


karategrrl, why the "oh no..." reaction?
I was afraid she was about to say he wasn't supportive of her booblets. wink.gif I read too fast!


but i try not to judge the girls who get implants either because the same could be said about any type of cosmetic regimen. i mean, why do women wear makeup? why do they style their hair with extremely hot pieces of metal? why are thousands of people (some who are not even overweight) striving to lose weight? i think we all want to feel beautiful, and we all care about what others think to some degree (correct me if I'm wrong). some girls are just willing to go to extreme measures for the sake of vanity.


Yep, I feel ya. I realize my own hypocrisy, to a certain degree, b/c I do wear makeup and dye my hair, paint my toenails, etc. but I agree that it's a matter of extremes. Then again, I guess many women feel augmentation isn't extreme. I think what rubs me the wrong way about the implant issue is that it bumps up against too many feminist issues.
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