[melis19750]

ive been reading non albican yeast can be caused by over use of diflucan. I think thats what happened to me. On my first yeast infection 6 months ago i was given diflucan to take every 3 days for 2 weeks.
Than again given it to take after using tindamax to prevent a YI.

I think I prob have had this non albican yeast the entire time, it just never tested positive

its weird because the symptoms are different than albican yeast
rarely little to no symptoms, sometimes a slight irritation or itch
and my discharge is pretty much normal looking- except a little more on the white side

anyhow sweet- Im curious
how long did you use your boric acid treatment- can you be specific????

I would love to know
did you use it 2 times a day or just once at bedtime
how many weeks? Than for long term suppression what did you do with it?

I am currently on BA- so far 3rd day- and it seems to be helping
(Lets pray)
but i plan to do 2 weeks once at bed time
than 2 times a week for another few weeks at bedtime (sunday and wed)
I also started taking coconut oil- extra virgin 1 tbs 3-4 times a day
which im reading is GREAT for candida


as well as capric acid 3 times a day
and pro-biotics of course
and no carbs- no sugar

i wanna make sure i get over this
as Im reading non albican yeast can be dangerous

[swt simplicity]

sweet
what kind of candida did you get diagnosed with before? My doctor thinks I have Candida Glabrata...

She prescribed me terazol to use

im a little scared about this being its a non albican
and all my lab results before came back neg for everything

today she swabbed me- normal ph
and she looked under the micro scope and saw the candida glabrata species
she is sending it off to the lab to be sure

but ive never had that before
i was prompted to go in because the irritation wasnt completely going away
so i buckled down and went in
=(

anyone ever have this before?

I had an overgrowth of c. parapsilosis. My vulvo-vaginal specialist did notice other yeasts but she made it pretty clear that it was c.parapsilosis that dominated. Yeast can grow in any pH. I've learned that through experience; I always came in with a normal pH, everything looked fine at first glance, yet from a microbial perspective things weren't normal. Non-albican yeast is a pain The odd thing is, when ever I got swabbed while I was mensturating, the non-albican yeast would be back, I'd do another course of boric acid until finally I was put on long term treatment. Maybe hormonal patterns caused the left over yeasts to overgrow and repopulate. Estrogen does feed yeast after all, I think that goes for non-albican yeasts as well.

[swt simplicity]

Do you have links to the research that says it's ineffective?

The truth is, there is barely any research on boric acids effect on bacterial vaginosis. The only fact I have on boric acid's effect on bacterial vaginosis is from Dr. Stewart's book. What Dr. Stewart says specifically in her book is,

"Another method being studied is the use of boric acid capsules. In Chapter 10, I noted that they are a great treatment for yeast. Boric acid also has a strong antibacterial action that can wipe out the hallmark overgrowth of BV. Unfortunately for now, this treatment involves sticking in a vaginal capsule (600 mg) two or three times a week. If you stop, the BV may come back."

I've also researched the boric acid treatment for bacterial vaginosis on the National Institute of Health's database and couldn't find anything conclusive, or anything at all really. I know there are some clinical trials that are being done with just boric acid, but I have no idea if the researchers will bother posting up any articles after the trials have been done.

Judging by the facts I have come across, boric acid should help with bacterial vaginosis. No studies say it's ineffective, yet no studies have suggested it's a cure either. In a years time, there could be more research on it.

Mfc10 had success using a special formulation of acidophilus and boric acid inserted into a suppository. She didn't make them herself, she had them compounded by a chemist.

[melis19750]

sweet
what kind of candida did you get diagnosed with before? My doctor thinks I have Candida Glabrata...

She prescribed me terazol to use as well as 14 days of boric acid once daily
and told me i could use either or

im unsure which would be best at a cure rate
any advice?

im a little scared about this being its a non albican
and all my lab results before came back neg for everything

today she swabbed me- normal ph
and she looked under the micro scope and saw the candida glabrata species
she is sending it off to the lab to be sure

but ive never had that before
i was prompted to go in because the irritation wasnt completely going away
so i buckled down and went in
=(

anyone ever have this before?

[melis19750]

sweet
what kind of candida did you get diagnosed with before? My doctor thinks I have Candida Glabrata...

She prescribed me terazol to use

im a little scared about this being its a non albican
and all my lab results before came back neg for everything

today she swabbed me- normal ph
and she looked under the micro scope and saw the candida glabrata species
she is sending it off to the lab to be sure

but ive never had that before
i was prompted to go in because the irritation wasnt completely going away
so i buckled down and went in
=(

anyone ever have this before?

[melinda7]

Most of the research out now on treating bacterial vaginosis with boric acid states its not very effective. Dr. Stewart even states in her book that boric acid alone can only treat the hallmark of bacterial vaginosis, once the suppositories stop, the symptoms come back. And it makes sense when you think of it since bacterial vaginosis is an overgrowth of the bad bacteria, boric acid comes in and kills everything it touches, but it's not reestablishing an environment where the good bacteria can grow, but actually kills it. It would make sense to use boric acid along with another form of treatment, like it was in that study you linked to above, to allow the good bacteria to reestablish itself.

Do you have links to the research that says it's ineffective?

[melinda7]

Most of the research out now on treating bacterial vaginosis with boric acid states its not very effective. Dr. Stewart even states in her book that boric acid alone can only treat the hallmark of bacterial vaginosis, once the suppositories stop, the symptoms come back. And it makes sense when you think of it since bacterial vaginosis is an overgrowth of the bad bacteria, boric acid comes in and kills everything it touches, but it's not reestablishing an environment where the good bacteria can grow, but actually kills it. It would make sense to use boric acid along with another form of treatment, like it was in that study you linked to above, to allow the good bacteria to reestablish itself.

Yes, but ALL treatments that are effective for BV do that.

[swt simplicity]

Here's one.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/714690

Just do a google of recurrent BV boric acid

Most of the research out now on treating bacterial vaginosis with boric acid states its not very effective. Dr. Stewart even states in her book that boric acid alone can only treat the hallmark of bacterial vaginosis, once the suppositories stop, the symptoms come back. And it makes sense when you think of it since bacterial vaginosis is an overgrowth of the bad bacteria, boric acid comes in and kills everything it touches, but it's not reestablishing an environment where the good bacteria can grow, but actually kills it. It would make sense to use boric acid along with another form of treatment, like it was in that study you linked to above, to allow the good bacteria to reestablish itself.

[melinda7]

Here's one.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/714690

Just do a google of recurrent BV boric acid

[melinda7]

I deleted a couple of posts that I wasn't satisfied with for whatever reason. I didn't even bother saving them since I felt they were kind of disposable or circumstantial. I still have the link to the omega 3 blog I referred to in my omega 3 post. The blog is called "Omega Via - Pharmaceutical Grade Fish Oil." You should bookmark it on your computer for later reference . Dr. Oz actually recommends omega 3 as one of the five supplements that women should be taking on a regular basis to meet "five daily nutritional needs". I can imagine you'll have a hard time finding a good quality pharmaceutical grade fish oil supplement that doesn't contain glycerin. Most of the supplements I take contain it. With all of the precautions your taking, I don't think small traces of glycerin will affect you. Good luck finding what your looking for!
Melinda, can you post links to these studies?

Hmm, I don't know. I researched it last summer. I can look for them by doing a google. I didn't bookmark. My OB/GYN knew about them already -- I go to a teaching hospital so they know a lot of new stuff.

If I find them I will link them.

[swt simplicity]

wow sweet thats so interesting

actually my naturopathic doc gave me a whole remedy-
so the enzymes were def part of my therapy along with candex and candigone
I will say the white coating has diminished... its still slightly white- but i suppose a more normal range like what you wrote it should be.... thanks for sharing that

as for as the enzymes i used... i cant remember the name, but it was by standard process
and standard process brand can only be sold at chiropractors, naturopathic docs, mid midwives, any MD who uses both western medicine along with natural med.

in fact my OBGYN who is an MD sells homeopathic remedies along with juice plus suppliments and standard process
prob cuz im in california- and this field seems to be huge in natural med
=)

I'm curious to know why you chose a omega 3 and 6 combination rather than a plain omega 3. What brand have you been taking?

[melis19750]

sweet
by the way love your new blog
about http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK2495/


super interesting. makes me question if eating yogurt is such a good idea
hopefully this doesnt happen often with yogurt

and when it comes to sex, i guess using a condom is really a must to help with BV even when your married or in a monogamous relationship where both people test negative for all std's, hiv, etc;


although i gotta admit i really love my fem dophilus
and i got $25 back from vitaMIN SHOP THIS YR
YAY

This post doesn't have to do with bacterial vaginosis or vaginal health.

Melis, you mentioned that you used to have a white coating on your tongue and you thought it was yeast and you've visited a naturopathic doctor and you took digestive enzymes among other things ... I was just reading up on ancient chinese medicine and I was reading the tongue chart and it says, "The Chinese herbalist says: This reflects the state of the digestive system. If the tongue lacks coating, it means the stomach enzymes which break down food in the digestive system are not functioning properly. The coating of the tongue should be thin and white (source)." The website is kind of circumstantial and the person didn't word the sentence properly but for the most part, a thick tongue coating is in relation to improper digestion. And I've also been reading how people with eczema can also have improper digestion ... that's a whole other thing.

What did your naturopath say about the digestive enzymes helping with yeast? Even though this is ancient Chinese medicine, if this is true, then it really ties together a lot of things that I've experienced.

[melis19750]

so i found the most amazing product for vaginal moisture/ lubercation

I bought it from drugstore.com

Pjur womens body glide

as most of you read- after using balance activ back in November
it irritated my skin on the external vaginal area so much that it still has been healing
well i received my Pjur, stuck some on the area that was irritated, immediate relief
and no adverse reaction

my tester was to first put a small drop on my finger and put some on my lips (facial area)
than taste it
no taste, no acidity, no nothing
its literally free of anything bad for your vagina
its amazing

and the bonus- if your sexually active, it is rated one of the best lubricants


I kept hearing about a few others... but this one got the best reviews so i had to try it for myself

happy happy customer here
http://www.drugstore.com/qxp70257_1_4/pjur...g=4&tab=1#1

[melis19750]

wow sweet thats so interesting

actually my naturopathic doc gave me a whole remedy-
so the enzymes were def part of my therapy along with candex and candigone
I will say the white coating has diminished... its still slightly white- but i suppose a more normal range like what you wrote it should be.... thanks for sharing that

as for as the enzymes i used... i cant remember the name, but it was by standard process
and standard process brand can only be sold at chiropractors, naturopathic docs, mid midwives, any MD who uses both western medicine along with natural med.

in fact my OBGYN who is an MD sells homeopathic remedies along with juice plus suppliments and standard process
prob cuz im in california- and this field seems to be huge in natural med
=)

This post doesn't have to do with bacterial vaginosis or vaginal health.

Melis, you mentioned that you used to have a white coating on your tongue and you thought it was yeast and you've visited a naturopathic doctor and you took digestive enzymes among other things ... I was just reading up on ancient chinese medicine and I was reading the tongue chart and it says, "The Chinese herbalist says: This reflects the state of the digestive system. If the tongue lacks coating, it means the stomach enzymes which break down food in the digestive system are not functioning properly. The coating of the tongue should be thin and white (source)." The website is kind of circumstantial and the person didn't word the sentence properly but for the most part, a thick tongue coating is in relation to improper digestion. And I've also been reading how people with eczema can also have improper digestion ... that's a whole other thing.

What did your naturopath say about the digestive enzymes helping with yeast? Even though this is ancient Chinese medicine, if this is true, then it really ties together a lot of things that I've experienced.

[swt simplicity]

This post doesn't have to do with bacterial vaginosis or vaginal health.

Melis, you mentioned that you used to have a white coating on your tongue and you thought it was yeast and you've visited a naturopathic doctor and you took digestive enzymes among other things ... I was just reading up on ancient chinese medicine and I was reading the tongue chart and it says, "The Chinese herbalist says: This reflects the state of the digestive system. If the tongue lacks coating, it means the stomach enzymes which break down food in the digestive system are not functioning properly. The coating of the tongue should be thin and white (source)." The website is kind of circumstantial and the person didn't word the sentence properly but for the most part, a thick tongue coating is in relation to improper digestion. And I've also been reading how people with eczema can also have improper digestion ... that's a whole other thing.

What did your naturopath say about the digestive enzymes helping with yeast? Even though this is ancient Chinese medicine, if this is true, then it really ties together a lot of things that I've experienced.

[swt simplicity]

hey sweet- what happened to your blog about omegas?? I wanted to read it again and see if the new omega im taking is on that list. The old one i was taking was- but it has glycerin in it, so i stopped using it

I deleted a couple of posts that I wasn't satisfied with for whatever reason. I didn't even bother saving them since I felt they were kind of disposable or circumstantial. I still have the link to the omega 3 blog I referred to in my omega 3 post. The blog is called "Omega Via - Pharmaceutical Grade Fish Oil." You should bookmark it on your computer for later reference . Dr. Oz actually recommends omega 3 as one of the five supplements that women should be taking on a regular basis to meet "five daily nutritional needs". I can imagine you'll have a hard time finding a good quality pharmaceutical grade fish oil supplement that doesn't contain glycerin. Most of the supplements I take contain it. With all of the precautions your taking, I don't think small traces of glycerin will affect you. Good luck finding what your looking for!

BA is also used for BV. There are studies proving it works and they use it in persistent BV.

Melinda, can you post links to these studies?

[melis19750]

you know though, since using Fem-dophilus I literally have been free of group b strep over growth for over 4 years.. I had it persistently before using fem d for about 6 years- it was horrible.
so i can definitely testify fem d worked for me. I used it orally and vaginally about once a week. (removing it from its capsule and sticking it in a gelatin one)
i think its also keeping my bv under control.

Ive used GOL products before and never had any issues. but ill keep that in mind about the mold.
the raw probiotic is newer.... and someone i know started using it and said it really balanced her intestinal flora- so far it seems to be doing that for me. I have "regular bowel movements" now- lol tmi i know

but i think we all should share what works/ doesnt work for us... it can probably help us all
and your right about balance activ- i got a full refund from the company. I even wrote a review about how i disliked the product- and the company DELETED my review- as well as another negative review that was currently on their review board.
They only kept one neg review up which was very "bland" and very little description
so it seems to me that they are marketing a product that really isnt very helpful and not letting consumers see real results. Who knows how many other not so good reviews were deleted?!?!

But i will never again use balance activ

BA is also used for BV. There are studies proving it works and they use it in persistent BV.

Balance Activ was junk. I used it once. It may be good if you tested your PH and knew you needed it.

I don't use GOL products. I used to but have found out they have mold from independent tests and studies and they also don't list ingredients clearly but say "Proprietary Blend." There's no way of knowing how much is in there etc. Don't know about the women's formula....Ive found out over the years that most probiotics are a scam.

[melinda7]

BA is also used for BV. There are studies proving it works and they use it in persistent BV.

Balance Activ was junk. I used it once. It may be good if you tested your PH and knew you needed it.

I don't use GOL products. I used to but have found out they have mold from independent tests and studies and they also don't list ingredients clearly but say "Proprietary Blend." There's no way of knowing how much is in there etc. Don't know about the women's formula....Ive found out over the years that most probiotics are a scam.

OH DUH you meant boric acid. ha ha funny. I thought you meant "BA= Balance activ"

yeah I never had problems with boric acid. But I supposedly do not have any issues with yeast. all my cultures come back negative for everything.

however, ever since i used that balance activ I seem to be more sensitive on the exterior of my vagina
and have been prescribed hydro-cortisone cream 2% to use for a few days. not sure if its helping

I dont seem to have discharge or any odor
so i think its just simply irritation

I switched to unscented lotion and unscented/sensitive skin dove
all are glycerin free- as Ive been reading glycerin can cause yeast infections

I am however going to try sliquid vaginal wash (for exterior only) which is pH balanced and glycerin free =)

I dont seem to have irritation that much on the inside of my vagina
just a little at the opening and more exterior

I even use unscented arm and hammer laundry detergent
and no fabric softner

ahh so boring
hopefully i can figure out what works

but i do have some boric acid capsules on hand that my OBGYN had made up for me to use incase of a yeastie beastie
which i really dont think i will get

and i have been BV free since October 2010 (so 4 months now)

I take fem d every day, folic acid/ b-12 combo from trader joes
vitamin d-3 from trader joes

another probiotic- RAW garden of life probiotic/prebiotic combo for women
and a good omega 3/6 flaxseed/borage oil combo (its cold and comes in the fridge)

I was taking a different omega that is good- it also came in the fridge in some yummy flavors
but they add glycerin to it, so decided to try a glycerin free one...

and i also did a yeast detox with candex and candigone by renewlife
i still use candex for maint.

=)

[melis19750]

has anyone heard of this product- luvena prebiotic vaginal moisture
sounds interesting

http://www.luvenacare.com/

[melis19750]

hey sweet- what happened to your blog about omegas?? I wanted to read it again and see if the new omega im taking is on that list. The old one i was taking was- but it has glycerin in it, so i stopped using it