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sweetsong
post May 11 2011, 04:01 PM
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hey everyone, i haven't posted here in a while. when i described my experience with BV a few months ago, i got a couple really helpful responses. someone suggested that i try fem-d, so i took it daily for a few days and noticed no change at all. occasionally i felt like my symptoms got worse after i took it..

something i'm wondering about: i'm beginning to think that there's a chance i don't have BV, that it's something else? when i first got diagnosed with BV back in high school and again in college, my symptoms were much different. the smell is much worse now, not fishy like i often see it described, and the color is peculiar and changes almost daily. no itching, discomfort, pain of any sort. it's literally just discharge and odor. (sometimes i feel like i'd rather have itching and pain than this horrid smell..) do any of you have any ideas of something else it could be, if not BV?

i'm moving in three weeks to live and work on a farm. i'm so excited, but i can't imagine going there in my current condition. i'm really worried. any advice, vitamin or pill suggestions, or encouragement that i'm not the only one going through this would be so appreciated.

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post May 10 2011, 02:32 PM
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No it wasnt a high dosage
it was 200 mg per day. It was supposed to be for a month. But I only did a weeks worth. My dermatologist said she is GLAD I did the diflucan because if it was yeast in my skin- its dead now.

She also said 200 mg is a mild dosage. Usually for someone with systemic candida they give 400 mg a day for at least 2 weeks.

Yeah I don't know I think DR Crandall is great- knows her stuff- but she automatically assumes its this form of yeast.

My doctor said diflucan probably caused me no harm- she sees more liver damagae- etc; when people use Tylenol or advil daily.

So Im sure Im fine. =)
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post May 10 2011, 01:44 PM
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Hi sweet
you know what I think I let Dr. Crandall get to my head- as I was miserable with this discomfort. She diagnosed me from talking to me, but not by SEEING my vulva. So much so I convinced my doctor I had this. I took 6 days worth of diflucan and my tongue because extremely PALE- (not coated) and, not only that no relief in symptoms. If it were "red yeast" after about a week of diflucan i should have had some relief in symptoms. SO- went to my internal med doctor- she looked at me (tongue and vulva)
she said my tongue was pale because the diflucan was affecting my organs...
and my vagina was irritated more from 2 days worth of those nystatin inserts
as well as past boric acid usage- etc;

so she had me go off everything and sent my to a dermatologist

the dermatologist said "If you had yeast- you killed it by now with the diflucan",
and she thinks its honestly that I have more of an irritation on my vulvar thats just going to take some time to heal- its most likely due to all the meds and boric acid....
to just be patient. it will go away.

so I think I just panicked when I consulted with dr crandall. word of advice- never let anyone diagnose you without actually seeing what they are diagnosing!

I do not have any infection-
and im hoping i didnt do any internal damage with taking diflucan for a week.
oh- some of us just go to extremes when we panic -obviously that was me!

dr crandall is intelligent and knows her stuff- but nobody should be diagnosed without being seen

although my derm said "Im glad you did the diflucan for a week- now we can rule out YEAST as a cause"

It's strange to think Dr. Crandall would prescribe you medication without even diagnosing you first. Someone with her expertise should know better. I would expect that kind of scenario to occur if someone was dealing with an amateur gynecologist. I've been in the situation where I was given a prescription without getting diagnosed, but that happened with my general practitioner and she wasn't a specialist in the area of gynecology. Nothing happened to me though. I'm a firm believer in a diagnose then moving onto treatment, rather than taking random treatments and hoping that one of them works. It's not good for the body. Were you taking a high dose of diflucan? Well, regardless of how much diflucan you took for however long, only time will tell whether it has done any damage to your body.
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Hi Chicas

I've been taking Oil of Oregano/ Oreganol p73. They have a website oreganol.com I've been using a lot and I'm only about 1/3 into the bottle. So far I haven't seen any side bad effects (besides some intense stinging/burning on contact only lasts 2 minutes, it's also pretty strong tasting some people hate it apparently but I don't think it's too bad) I've read that it also is supposed to help with candida which is a bonus! I read there's dozens of reviews on amazon from people using it for everything from fungal infections/psoriasis/acne to the flu and sinus infections both topically and internally(ingesting). I plan on sticking with it until I finish the bottle.

I think everyone needs to try different things because we all might be dealing with different kinds of pathogens that are causing our symptoms. That was another reason why I decided to try the oregano oil because it's supposed to be pretty broad spectrum. I suspect that I may have been dealing with a strep or other kind of infection because my last bv test about 2 months ago came back negative (although all of my symptoms were still there).

It's fascinating to hear essential oils like grape seed extract, garlic oil, and beyond help with bacterial vaginosis. I don't doubt it, because I've tried encapsulated Echinacea (eck-in-a-sha) for a short period of time and I noticed a difference. It was a random supplement, and I don't remember what brand or strength it was. My mother would always make me drink a clove tea when I was sick. I always thought, why does she bother? Funny thing is, I did some research the other day on clove oil, and clove oil is supposedly one of the most potent natural antimicrobial natural oils; cinnamon oil is said to be the best in most categories, in terms of anti-fungal, antibacterial, and so on. She would just boil water, and pop some cloves into the cup, and pour the water over it. I always thought it was silly and preferred to take a traditional cold medicine.

Now I'm also wondering if these essential oils, which supposedly target both gram positive and negative bacteria, yeasts, pathogens [and beyond] also target the good bacteria too ...

I'll take the time to sort this out and share the news with you.


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post May 10 2011, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ May 9 2011, 01:57 PM) *
Did Dr. Crandall diagnose you yet? Or are you getting treated under the impression that there is a red yeast growing inside of the skin?
I've read various scientific articles that state oregano oil has antimicrobial and antioxidant properties [depending heavily on the concentration levels]. Many of the studies provided very broad and general results though. What brand of oregano oil have you been taking?



Hi sweet
you know what I think I let Dr. Crandall get to my head- as I was miserable with this discomfort. She diagnosed me from talking to me, but not by SEEING my vulva. So much so I convinced my doctor I had this. I took 6 days worth of diflucan and my tongue because extremely PALE- (not coated) and, not only that no relief in symptoms. If it were "red yeast" after about a week of diflucan i should have had some relief in symptoms. SO- went to my internal med doctor- she looked at me (tongue and vulva)
she said my tongue was pale because the diflucan was affecting my organs...
and my vagina was irritated more from 2 days worth of those nystatin inserts
as well as past boric acid usage- etc;

so she had me go off everything and sent my to a dermatologist

the dermatologist said "If you had yeast- you killed it by now with the diflucan",
and she thinks its honestly that I have more of an irritation on my vulvar thats just going to take some time to heal- its most likely due to all the meds and boric acid....
to just be patient. it will go away.

so I think I just panicked when I consulted with dr crandall. word of advice- never let anyone diagnose you without actually seeing what they are diagnosing!

I do not have any infection-
and im hoping i didnt do any internal damage with taking diflucan for a week.
oh- some of us just go to extremes when we panic -obviously that was me!

dr crandall is intelligent and knows her stuff- but nobody should be diagnosed without being seen

although my derm said "Im glad you did the diflucan for a week- now we can rule out YEAST as a cause"

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post May 9 2011, 10:16 PM
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Hi Chicas

I've been taking Oil of Oregano/ Oreganol p73. They have a website oreganol.com I've been using a lot and I'm only about 1/3 into the bottle. So far I haven't seen any side bad effects (besides some intense stinging/burning on contact only lasts 2 minutes, it's also pretty strong tasting some people hate it apparently but I don't think it's too bad) I've read that it also is supposed to help with candida which is a bonus! I read there's dozens of reviews on amazon from people using it for everything from fungal infections/psoriasis/acne to the flu and sinus infections both topically and internally(ingesting). I plan on sticking with it until I finish the bottle.

I think everyone needs to try different things because we all might be dealing with different kinds of pathogens that are causing our symptoms. That was another reason why I decided to try the oregano oil because it's supposed to be pretty broad spectrum. I suspect that I may have been dealing with a strep or other kind of infection because my last bv test about 2 months ago came back negative (although all of my symptoms were still there).
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post May 9 2011, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(melis19750 @ May 6 2011, 04:40 PM) *
well you would have to read her packet to understand it. its too much to explain. Basically if i start feeling better- even in a week. What i would do is continue for a remaining 2 weeks
and than one a month for a while

this is also mentioned briefly in the V book- this method... under yeast infections

I guess Dr Stewart kind of does the same approach.

I cant use yeast creams right now- i seem to be allergic to the base.

idk- it seems boric acid suppositories really took a tole on me. =(

Did Dr. Crandall diagnose you yet? Or are you getting treated under the impression that there is a red yeast growing inside of the skin?

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Hey ladies

I've been reading all the forums I could find about bv over the past 3 years since I was diagnosed and I figured it's time to join the discussion. Some history - I tired hydrogen peroxide along with the probiotics and foilc acid to no avail. I was just completely dried out and the symptoms came back with a vengence even after 3 weeks of treatment. I've also tried: anti biotics metrogel flagyl clindesse, aci-jell, enzara, anti candida diet and exercise, boric acid capsules (all while abstaining from sex)

This is the only thing that worked for me - I used oregano oil orally and topically(although it says on the bottle not to use it vaginally).

After 2 weeks of a couple of drops a day orally a few times a day and 1 drop vaginally twice a day for 7 days then once a day for another 7 days I'm bv free for the first time in 3 years. I know it's probably inadvisable to use this oil vagininally because it does sting a lot! It was the only thing that worked for me. I used plain yogurt vaginally to help reestablish the lactobacillis in the area although I read online that oregano oil does not kill the lactobacialls but I don't know if this is true.

You can buy this at healthfood stores or online if you want to try. smile.gif

I've read various scientific articles that state oregano oil has antimicrobial and antioxidant properties [depending heavily on the concentration levels]. Many of the studies provided very broad and general results though. What brand of oregano oil have you been taking?


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post May 8 2011, 09:41 PM
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Hey ladies

I've been reading all the forums I could find about bv over the past 3 years since I was diagnosed and I figured it's time to join the discussion. Some history - I tired hydrogen peroxide along with the probiotics and foilc acid to no avail. I was just completely dried out and the symptoms came back with a vengence even after 3 weeks of treatment. I've also tried: anti biotics metrogel flagyl clindesse, aci-jell, enzara, anti candida diet and exercise, boric acid capsules (all while abstaining from sex)

This is the only thing that worked for me - I used oregano oil orally and topically(although it says on the bottle not to use it vaginally).

After 2 weeks of a couple of drops a day orally a few times a day and 1 drop vaginally twice a day for 7 days then once a day for another 7 days I'm bv free for the first time in 3 years. I know it's probably inadvisable to use this oil vagininally because it does sting a lot! It was the only thing that worked for me. I used plain yogurt vaginally to help reestablish the lactobacillis in the area although I read online that oregano oil does not kill the lactobacialls but I don't know if this is true.

You can buy this at healthfood stores or online if you want to try. smile.gif





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post May 6 2011, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ May 6 2011, 01:31 PM) *
Yikes ohmy.gif
Dr. Crandall's approach sounds really intense. I'd like to know what is her plan if the yeast becomes resistant to the medications over a period of time.


well you would have to read her packet to understand it. its too much to explain. Basically if i start feeling better- even in a week. What i would do is continue for a remaining 2 weeks
and than one a month for a while

this is also mentioned briefly in the V book- this method... under yeast infections

I guess Dr Stewart kind of does the same approach.

I cant use yeast creams right now- i seem to be allergic to the base.

idk- it seems boric acid suppositories really took a tole on me. =(
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post May 6 2011, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE(melis19750 @ May 3 2011, 07:16 PM) *
DR Crandall is great but she has an EXTREME approach of treating this with topical steroids, topical antifungal, and oral antifungal for at least 1 month if not many months
so were taking a little lighter side of this. although diflucan daily isnt what i wanted to do.... but it seems needed =(

Yikes ohmy.gif
Dr. Crandall's approach sounds really intense. I'd like to know what is her plan if the yeast becomes resistant to the medications over a period of time.


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post May 3 2011, 06:16 PM
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RED YEAST
simply means - yeast inside your skin aka: intracellular yeast. it can be any strain. If you happen to have irritation or itching or burning, etc; one or more of the following vaginally- but all cultures are negative
many times my doc said its yeast in the skin.

NO MORE suppositories for me

here is what my doctor actually has me doing
diflucan 200mg a day for 3-6 weeks
i need something systemic to get to this

also- he is MAD that my GYN put me on topical steroids when i already prob had that non albican yeast

any topcial steroid applied where yeast may be will only make it grow.

so topically he wants me to do extra virgin unrefined coconut oil on my skin- which feels great by the way- MUCH better than any topical steroid ive used including those dang hydrocortisone ovules.

also i dont have any irregular discharge- cultures again for bacteria/yeast are negative so he said not to use those nystatin tablets vaginally

simply try diflucan first- after all dr. stewart in her book also recommended to do diflucan daily for a while if you cant resolve your issue.

so im confident this will work. although this means i permanently will have to stay on this candida diet for a LONG TIME

and tomorrow im seeing my allergist and getting the skin testing done (intradermal)

as for the vaginal yeast infection- i dont have it internally- it is most likely in the skin if indeed this is what it is.

to be sure, you would need a Biopsy or skin scrapping, but i opted out. Im already irritated there
i want to leave well enough alone and try and get this sucker systemically
my vaginal pH is all back to normal
my vaginal secretions all look normal
no more color on the discharge.

no odor
simply most likely yeast in the skin (aka; red yeast)

DR Crandall is great but she has an EXTREME approach of treating this with topical steroids, topical antifungal, and oral antifungal for at least 1 month if not many months


so were taking a little lighter side of this. although diflucan daily isnt what i wanted to do.... but it seems needed =(


QUOTE(swt simplicity @ May 3 2011, 01:51 PM) *
Having another round of suppositories doesn't sound fun. Hopefully it doesn't affect your pH negatively, or cause this ping pong of bacteria and yeast overgrowth. mellow.gif

I've gotten tested for food sensitivities and everything came back negative too. My general practitioner even told me that the allergy tests aren't the most reliable or accurate. She said the best way to pinpoint food sensitivities or allergies is to pay attention to your body and it's reaction to what ever your exposed to. After I found that out, I was a little irritated. I haven't actually gone to an allergist yet. Maybe they have better tests available.

What kind of allergy testing did you get done? Was it a blood test, or something else? I only got the blood test done and I heard that method is probably the least reliable sad.gif

By "red yeast", do you mean something from the rhodotorula species? And you think this yeast is inside the skin where exactly, the perineum, near the vulva, or somewhere else?

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post May 3 2011, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(melis19750 @ May 2 2011, 09:43 PM) *
oh yeah btw the only other thing i can think of is possibly intracellular yeast (red yeast/ aka inside the skin and cant be detected) if thats the case i unfortunantly will have to go on long term diflucan or other anti fungal like sporonax. I did do a phone consultation with marjorie crandall (mentioned in the v book) shes a microbiologist with pHd in Candida/fungal infections

she believes i have red yeast
and need diflucan either 100mg or 200mg daily for at least a month and nystatin insert inside the vagina
not too thrilled how i feel about that. but i do want to get better

so im talking to my MD and my GYN about this
and seeing an allergist to test me for candida and yeast allergies
if positive will get injections for that
so far every damn culture is negative
but im sure it would be
my vaginal discharge is in fact normal looking/ smelling

im just irritated
more so after the cortisone
=(

Having another round of suppositories doesn't sound fun. Hopefully it doesn't affect your pH negatively, or cause this ping pong of bacteria and yeast overgrowth. mellow.gif

I've gotten tested for food sensitivities and everything came back negative too. My general practitioner even told me that the allergy tests aren't the most reliable or accurate. She said the best way to pinpoint food sensitivities or allergies is to pay attention to your body and it's reaction to what ever your exposed to. After I found that out, I was a little irritated. I haven't actually gone to an allergist yet. Maybe they have better tests available.

What kind of allergy testing did you get done? Was it a blood test, or something else? I only got the blood test done and I heard that method is probably the least reliable sad.gif

By "red yeast", do you mean something from the rhodotorula species? And you think this yeast is inside the skin where exactly, the perineum, near the vulva, or somewhere else?


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post May 2 2011, 08:43 PM
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oh yeah btw the only other thing i can think of is possibly intracellular yeast (red yeast/ aka inside the skin and cant be detected) if thats the case i unfortunantly will have to go on long term diflucan or other anti fungal like sporonax. I did do a phone consultation with marjorie crandall (mentioned in the v book) shes a microbiologist with pHd in Candida/fungal infections

she believes i have red yeast
and need diflucan either 100mg or 200mg daily for at least a month and nystatin insert inside the vagina
not too thrilled how i feel about that. but i do want to get better

so im talking to my MD and my GYN about this
and seeing an allergist to test me for candida and yeast allergies
if positive will get injections for that


so far every damn culture is negative
but im sure it would be
my vaginal discharge is in fact normal looking/ smelling

im just irritated
more so after the cortisone
=(

QUOTE(melis19750 @ May 1 2011, 02:34 PM) *
Hi there
yeah I know the myth has been debunked... however Marjorie Crandall (whom Dr Stewart cited in her book about a few things such as yeast allergies) states that lactobacillus overgrowth is real. The only real treatment for that she said is to do sitz baths with baking soda... (im not doing that though because i dont know if this is my cause)

I def think the boric acid caused major inflammation- some finally gone with me- some still here. But Im trying to let things resolve naturally without using anymore steroids. I do use my desonide 0.05% ointment once a week in one area that seems to flair.

But I dont want to thin my skin... or cause something else that cortisones are known to do- ie: fungal infections, bacterial infections of skin...
yeah i really dont know whats going on with me. Every culture is completely negative with "normal growth of vaginal flora"....

but I do see my vulvar specialist -Dr. Willems in CA soon- May 15th...

he wants me using estrogen cream to thicken up my skin near the entrance of the vagina... but you know I tried it twice and it causes an allergic reaction- must be something in the base of the cream im allergic too

all i know is ive never been sensitive or had allergies before and now i do- frustrating
I do wish I had money to come and see Dr Stewart. But unfortunately I dont. Although southern CA supposed to have a lot of good doctors.. i just seem to get the same answer from everyone-
its just inflammation
but its been quite depressing dealing with this

so Im trying alternative treatments
acupuncture- DR MCCOMBs plan (being its gentle- non toxic) for 16 weeks- im on week 4 now

as far as exercise.... DR MCCOMBS states that exercise is great but not for releasing toxins.... because your using MUSCLE while exercising

you need to be relaxed and release toxins naturally. I know waisting water not a great thing... but I end up doing stuff with the water like watering my plants, cleaning the bathroom... etc;
so at least i feel im making use of it

OH when i used fem d- i just took it out of the capsule and put it in with my finger
it would desolve easily.

i dont really like those gelatin capsules, they left me all sticky

i only stuck with those while on the boric acid treatment... which hopefully i never have to do again
cuz it literally made things worse

I wasnt as irritated with the yeast as I was with the inflammation caused by the BA
but thankfully its finally starting to subside
I only pray things get way better before i see dr willems

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post May 1 2011, 02:34 PM
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Hi there
yeah I know the myth has been debunked... however Marjorie Crandall (whom Dr Stewart cited in her book about a few things such as yeast allergies) states that lactobacillus overgrowth is real. The only real treatment for that she said is to do sitz baths with baking soda... (im not doing that though because i dont know if this is my cause)

I def think the boric acid caused major inflammation- some finally gone with me- some still here. But Im trying to let things resolve naturally without using anymore steroids. I do use my desonide 0.05% ointment once a week in one area that seems to flair.

But I dont want to thin my skin... or cause something else that cortisones are known to do- ie: fungal infections, bacterial infections of skin...


yeah i really dont know whats going on with me. Every culture is completely negative with "normal growth of vaginal flora"....

but I do see my vulvar specialist -Dr. Willems in CA soon- May 15th...

he wants me using estrogen cream to thicken up my skin near the entrance of the vagina... but you know I tried it twice and it causes an allergic reaction- must be something in the base of the cream im allergic too

all i know is ive never been sensitive or had allergies before and now i do- frustrating
I do wish I had money to come and see Dr Stewart. But unfortunately I dont. Although southern CA supposed to have a lot of good doctors.. i just seem to get the same answer from everyone-
its just inflammation
but its been quite depressing dealing with this

so Im trying alternative treatments
acupuncture- DR MCCOMBs plan (being its gentle- non toxic) for 16 weeks- im on week 4 now

as far as exercise.... DR MCCOMBS states that exercise is great but not for releasing toxins.... because your using MUSCLE while exercising

you need to be relaxed and release toxins naturally. I know waisting water not a great thing... but I end up doing stuff with the water like watering my plants, cleaning the bathroom... etc;
so at least i feel im making use of it

OH when i used fem d- i just took it out of the capsule and put it in with my finger
it would desolve easily.

i dont really like those gelatin capsules, they left me all sticky

i only stuck with those while on the boric acid treatment... which hopefully i never have to do again
cuz it literally made things worse

I wasnt as irritated with the yeast as I was with the inflammation caused by the BA
but thankfully its finally starting to subside
I only pray things get way better before i see dr willems
QUOTE(swt simplicity @ May 1 2011, 07:37 AM) *
You should opt for a good cardiovascular exercise if you want to effectively work up a sweat. On top of that, you would be saving money by not using so much hot water. It's more environmentally and economically friendly smile.gif

I can understand why you would think your experiencing an overgrowth of good bacteria, but it has to be something else that is causing your symptoms. Apparently it's not possible for the good bacteria to overgrow since they would "keep each other in check". The CV theory has been debunked, so it's not even a real issue. With that said, I guess you have to keep your options open as to what is the real problem. Most women that are experiencing CV-like symptoms usually have a form of non-specific vaginitis, basically a vaginitis that isn't caused by an infection, but the symptoms are basically the same, i.e. inflammation, discharge, burning, itching etc. The symptoms are usually brought on by sensitivities. For example, I was on boric acid for a long time, and I experienced inflammation as a result of it, which came as a form of non-specific vaginitis. There was no infection, since the boric acid clearly killed it (along with everything else).

Did you insert the Fem-Dophilus in a gelatin capsule? I think you told me about this before at some point.

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as far as sweating. I just turn my bathroom into a sauna for about 20 min. put my shower on hot, and sit with my clothes on - on the toilet or bathroom floor and do my nails...
or facial
I dont know much about sweating, but its part of the plan...so i figure i need to do it the 6 times a week required or DR MCCOMBS states the program wont work as well.

But I wonder if i really have a yeast issue

I know you say Cytolytic vaginosis(CV) does not exist as in the V Book also states
but Im definitly wondering if this is possibly my cause of vaginitis as i have the symptoms off and on, and the only thing on my cultures is growth of NORMAL BACTERIA.

Im pretty sure if I had yeast- it would have grown at some point
Ive literally had one culture a week in the last 2 months
all negative for yeast

even a new special DNA culture for yeast with yeast sensitivity from a completely different lab just to be sure

but i decided to let my doctor do one last round of cultures this thursday
and if its all negative again
im def wondering about the over growth of normal bacteria.

especially since I have in the past used femdophilus vaginally. I have since stopped doing that to see if anything helps.


You should opt for a good cardiovascular exercise if you want to effectively work up a sweat. On top of that, you would be saving money by not using so much hot water. It's more environmentally and economically friendly smile.gif

I can understand why you would think your experiencing an overgrowth of good bacteria, but it has to be something else that is causing your symptoms. Apparently it's not possible for the good bacteria to overgrow since they would "keep each other in check". The CV theory has been debunked, so it's not even a real issue. With that said, I guess you have to keep your options open as to what is the real problem. Most women that are experiencing CV-like symptoms usually have a form of non-specific vaginitis, basically a vaginitis that isn't caused by an infection, but the symptoms are basically the same, i.e. inflammation, discharge, burning, itching etc. The symptoms are usually brought on by sensitivities. For example, I was on boric acid for a long time, and I experienced inflammation as a result of it, which came as a form of non-specific vaginitis. There was no infection, since the boric acid clearly killed it (along with everything else).

Did you insert the Fem-Dophilus in a gelatin capsule? I think you told me about this before at some point.


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post Apr 30 2011, 01:17 PM
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Hi sweet

so some news- yes im still doing the yeast free diet. I actually have too..
I had allergy testing done for foods/ herbs..and turns out im allergic to brewers yeast/baking yeast

wow!!! as well as tuna and cinnamon (which i love =(....)

however I am following the mccombs plan
but doing very little fruit. Im mainly eating a few berries -raspberries, black berries, strawberries. A few red grapes, a few apple slices... but only granny smith variety.

and Im allowed brown rice- HOT brown rice cereal (YUM), and brown rice cakes.
I have now lost 18 pounds on just this diet alone- so physically i look better. I did need to lose some weight.

Vaginally- I had a bad setback easter Sunday- BUT i think I may now know part of the problem.... I may have HSV-
because i developed a burning, tingling, stabbing sensation- needed ice packs
and i had a lot of excessive normal looking discharge

and later on a small bump formed. I did see my GYN on THURSDAY (this week) and she said she sees the bump but too late to culture for herpes as you have to test for it within 48 hours of an active outbreak.
but im taking valtrex- seems to be helping


although, who knows whats going on down there- she also re cultured me for everything- YEAST, BV, bacterial, etc
and BTW everytime I have tested for HSV it comes back negative...

But Im hoping eventually things get back to normal. I did have to put some of the cortisone ointment on last night on one area of my perineum as it got a little inflamed. I hope after im done with the mccombs plan my body just starts going back to normal.

as far as sweating. I just turn my bathroom into a sauna for about 20 min. put my shower on hot, and sit with my clothes on - on the toilet or bathroom floor and do my nails...
or facial
I dont know much about sweating, but its part of the plan...so i figure i need to do it the 6 times a week required or DR MCCOMBS states the program wont work as well.

But I wonder if i really have a yeast issue

I know you say Cytolytic vaginosis(CV) does not exist as in the V Book also states
but Im definitly wondering if this is possibly my cause of vaginitis as i have the symptoms off and on, and the only thing on my cultures is growth of NORMAL BACTERIA.

Im pretty sure if I had yeast- it would have grown at some point
Ive literally had one culture a week in the last 2 months
all negative for yeast

even a new special DNA culture for yeast with yeast sensitivity from a completely different lab just to be sure

but i decided to let my doctor do one last round of cultures this thursday
and if its all negative again
im def wondering about the over growth of normal bacteria.

especially since I have in the past used femdophilus vaginally. I have since stopped doing that to see if anything helps.

but we will see


ill keep you posted


QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Apr 30 2011, 07:39 AM) *
Since your familiar with the Jeff McCombs diet, how does sweating help detoxify? I've heard a lot of information on how sweating helps the body release toxins, but I haven't actually looked into it, aside from the fact that the liver and kidneys are organs in the body that filter out toxins in the body (among other things). I do know that sweating does help secrete apocrine (a substance that contributes to body odor). Aprocrine builds up in the aprocrine glands and sweating releases that substance. Other than that, sweating is a liquid similar to urea. I've read various articles that state sweating releases trace amounts of toxins, but it's not going to aid in this massive detoxification, and the focus should be on the kidneys and liver etc.

Aside from your irritation, it sounds like your on the right track to recovery. And the part about the discharge that your experiencing, your right, it could be from the supplement that your taking. Some vitamins do affect the secretory system, thus affecting the vaginal discharge; Dr. Stewart mentions this in a part of her book. I think it's near towards the end of the chapter on Vaginal Odors.

I was under the assumption that you were still on the "Yeast-Free Diet". Did you take a break from it somewhere in between?

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post Apr 30 2011, 07:39 AM
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QUOTE(melis19750 @ Apr 23 2011, 11:46 AM) *
So far I seem to be doing quite well on his plan and I LOVE the diet.
Ive lost about 15 pounds so far... =)
the diet allowes for brown rice and some fruit- mainly berries and pears when you first start... eventually allowing other foods at week 9 and than more later on. It is a 16 week plan. But overall im feeling healthier.
It does involve sweating for part of the detox.

Ill let you all know how that goes.

=)
Melissa

Since your familiar with the Jeff McCombs diet, how does sweating help detoxify? I've heard a lot of information on how sweating helps the body release toxins, but I haven't actually looked into it, aside from the fact that the liver and kidneys are organs in the body that filter out toxins in the body (among other things). I do know that sweating does help secrete apocrine (a substance that contributes to body odor). Aprocrine builds up in the aprocrine glands and sweating releases that substance. Other than that, sweating is a liquid similar to urea. I've read various articles that state sweating releases trace amounts of toxins, but it's not going to aid in this massive detoxification, and the focus should be on the kidneys and liver etc.

Aside from your irritation, it sounds like your on the right track to recovery. And the part about the discharge that your experiencing, your right, it could be from the supplement that your taking. Some vitamins do affect the secretory system, thus affecting the vaginal discharge; Dr. Stewart mentions this in a part of her book. I think it's near towards the end of the chapter on Vaginal Odors.

I was under the assumption that you were still on the "Yeast-Free Diet". Did you take a break from it somewhere in between?


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post Apr 23 2011, 10:46 AM
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so just an update...

so I did keep my appointment with the RN/ Nurse pract at my GYn's office being my GYN was unavail this week. Anyhow so she did an examination on me, swabbed me, looked under the scope, as well as sent off for yet another culture - exactly 2 weeks after my last culture.

anyhow she saw NOTHING unusual under the microscope. Everything looks normal.... all my lactobacilli are back - yay

however- her opinion
she stated that i had a severe allergic reaction to the boric acid. And while she said the treatment obviously worked for the non albican yeast.... it was pretty intense on my skin.

She said she has seen this before where after boric acid usage the skin can strongly react.

however- its finally healing. THANK GOD... and what worked the fastest honestly was leaving it alone...
and using some alcohol free witch hazel on a cotton pad once a day just to sooth the area. as well as taking quercetin 500 MG ( a natural anti histamine that also has some anti fungal and anti viral properties)

however, i do still have more discharge than im used to- its clear and stringy (looks normal) but dries yellow/ pasty- Im assuming from my B vitamin complex supplement.

sometimes I have itching- but my RN/ Nurse practitioner stated that most likely its due to the skin healing- when skin heals it can cause itching.

I also decided to do the candida diet as well as the MCCOMBS candida plan. I STOPPED SYNTOL- as after reading a lot of literature- it states that the bacillis subtilis in it has been shown to cause dermatitis as well as act as an anti-biotic and even though it can work on candida- it can also cause candida overgrowth.

Jeff Mccombs has been treating patients for candida for many years, and its a mild detox program that instead of focusing on KILLING candida- the plan focuses on BALANCING our digestive tract and reverting the fungal form of yeast back to its normal yeast state in the body.

So far I seem to be doing quite well on his plan and I LOVE the diet.
Ive lost about 15 pounds so far... =)
the diet allowes for brown rice and some fruit- mainly berries and pears when you first start... eventually allowing other foods at week 9 and than more later on. It is a 16 week plan. But overall im feeling healthier.
It does involve sweating for part of the detox.

Ill let you all know how that goes.

=)
Melissa
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post Apr 20 2011, 09:28 PM
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hey Gigle and Sweet
so Tues had my derm appointment- confirmed its dermatitis.... she told me just simple common sense things to do
1) Use a natural Diaper Cream in my anal area- which is irritated...got one by Little Twig, so far so good- soothing

*Tried Calendula Oil for a while... and while it helps with inflammation, it also caused some skin irritation after a while in me due to sensitivity

2) take only 1 shower a day (hard for me, because I like to do 2)
so- than she said- if you need an am and pm shower- simply rinse the vagina and anal area with water- dont use any soap or cleanser until your skin heals, than use unscented sensitive skin DOVE

3) Keep taking Fem Dophilus

and basically treat my skin as if I was a "baby"

now- second opinion with new GYN- he was super nice, he only looked at my area- inside vagina- no cultures or looking under the microscope because I just had cultures repeated from other GYN on Friday April 8th- and everything again was negative. He told me pretty much the exact same thing as the dermatologist
that this may take a month or so longer for this to go away

but to STOP using the cortisone and hydrocortisone ovules because A) can lead to bacterial/fungal infections
cool.gif can cause thinning of the skin, and C) can cause more dermatitis. Instead, simply try and let everything resolve on its own.

OH yeah, Im getting a red-light laser therapy on my skin down there once a week- which will help skin cells turn over faster and provider faster healing time supposedly.
Its a new laser from Sweden

skin is def feeling better- but my vestibule on the left side still hurts-

so im just gonna be patient. Although my nurse practitioner at my former (female) GYN wants me to come in and get recultured one last time to be sure... so im considering that. Im just kind of tired of being cultured every 3 weeks.... but i suppose one last time wont hurt. its most likely gonna grow NOTHING and be normal again.

Im pretty sure this is just a derm issue from all the boric acid usage - some of us are just a little more sensitive than others.

Gigle Im glad your feeling better. any luck with the GBS?
There is a midwife/ RN online who does treatments with garlic cloves in the vagina to get rid of GBS
but- I did that for my yeast infection back in September- and ended up getting BV from it probably imbalancing my flora.

Honestly the ONLY thing that helped my GBS over growth was ampicillin and fem-dophilus.

i do remember it taking about 2-3 months after the ampicillin of using Fem_d to feel better

I used the fem d this way
vaginally- every 2 days (about 2-3 times a week only- just at bed time) I opened up the capsule and stuck it in 1/2 of a gelatin capsule...

and taking it orally 2 times a day (once in AM and once in PM)

you all are awesome. thanks for the support. Hopefully soon ill be back to the old me

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post Apr 20 2011, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE(melis19750 @ Apr 18 2011, 09:38 AM) *
gawsh you guys im having such a hard time with this skin issue now.

Its not itchy
but patches of rough skin (feels like eczema but not itchy)

now im almost kicking myself wishing i didnt do the boric acid

but i knew something had to be done for the non albican yeast

my 2 weeks with this mild steroid ointment is up as of tonight and im not feeling much better

I do have the hydrocortisone ovules for vaginal use.... I did try one and it did help with the inflammation after it leaked out
but im kinda scared to use it as i dont want it to cause an imbalance in my vaginal pH
but for some odd reason one side of my vulva was irritated (on the entrance near the vestibule) last night and couldnt sleep so i popped one in..... ahhh relief

i do see a dermatologist who has an interest in vulvar skin... on TUES
so i hope i get good news

i just wish i had someone to talk to about this over the phone
its so unfair to have to deal with this
i just want my happy normal vagina and skin around the area back
maybe im being too impatient as its only been 2 weeks of treatment
but it has been about 1 month now since i used the boric acid... i thought by now i would surely be back to normal

=(
sorry dont mean to be a Debby downer
i just wanna feel normal again


Melis,

I'm sorry to hear you are going through that, but it's good that you're feeling a bit better.

I know how desperate you feel, and alone; i've been there... What Swt said it quite right "one day at a time" Hopefully you'll find one day that you feel much better. My issue with the skin was so bad too, I battled almost three months with that. My skin now is completely heal, i think, but it came oversensitived. I hope when time goes by, that oversensitivity goes away and everything comes back to normal.

I'm located in Singapore at the moment. In my opinion, GYN here are awful. It seems like this speciality is not very important here, and I'm having a hard time trying to find a good doctor if I ever find one good here sad.gif

I wish you luck with that, I hope the new doctor have helped you. Keep us updated

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post Apr 20 2011, 06:33 AM
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I'm very infrequently on this forum but have some issues with BV every now and again. It often depends on whether or not I'm smoking.

That being said, I recently started having issues again and having recently moved to Switzerland, I decided to try some homeopathic remedies. Switzerland has a lot more going on with homeopathic cures and I've been kinda amazed with my allergy remedy.

Anyway, long story short. Calendula oil. Pure, high quality. Dip a Q-tip in the oil and then dip it into yourself. Repeat. Helps with vulva skin and everything else. Yeast, BV, acne, acne scars, dry skin, wounds, insect bites. No side effects, no funky oder of any kind, and zero irritation...unless you're allergic to calendula. Obviously.
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