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post Jan 31 2010, 09:55 AM
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Don't let that knock your self-esteem, everyone. Read the comments below -- everybody else knows it's a ridiculous form of censorship. The banning of female ejaculation is equally disturbing. The second someone talks about pedophiles everybody freaks the fuck out. I'm sorry, but I don't think women like Melissa Ashley look like they're 15. She's definitely a lady. And so what if we look a little young for our age? If someone looked 17 but they were 21, would they be denied an alcoholic beverage? I think not!

Hey Australia, news flash! You can be 10 with big tits! Hah, their parliament is so dense. Why don't you go after pedophiles instead of normal women, idiots.
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buttercups
post Jan 31 2010, 09:45 AM
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Wow AP, that makes me sad. I try so hard not to be looked at as some little kid bc of my body type. Guess Australia is trying to confirm that some of the things I think about myself are true... what assholes!
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post Jan 31 2010, 09:18 AM
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So, I read this the other day & was completely freaked out & insulted in a really weird way: Australia Bans Small Breasts In Porn. I mean, WTF, right? A person has small breasts; she is a WOMAN, she is a SEXUAL BEING & she is OF LEGAL AGE. If she wants to be in porn that is her choice, as it is the viewer's choice to view what they like. I mean, I think the whole "barely legal" genre is creepy, but I do not think that just because a woman has a small bust it's going to incite pedophiles (there's a LOT of small bust porn that has nothing to do with the "barely legal" genre), which seems to be the rational behind this law. Small boobies do NOT equal child porn. They equal hot sexy women with lovely small tatas getting their freak on on camera. These women are ADULTS, not children.


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oceangirl
post Jan 30 2010, 10:47 PM
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I cannot in good conscience support her decision. She is painfully self-conscious about her breasts. She won't wear a bathing suit. The surgery is scheduled for this Friday. I emailed her and pretty much begged her to cancel the appointment. I haven't heard back from her.
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angie_21
post Jan 30 2010, 06:55 PM
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omg I started googling this stuff and it is just flipping ridiculous. the national average rate of post-op nipple numbness is 15%:

"If the possibility of having numb nipples is unacceptable to you, you should not have breast augmentation because no plastic surgeon can guarantee preservation of nipple sensation"

Numbness - plastic surgery webpage

this is just gross:

FDA warnings on implants
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angie_21
post Jan 30 2010, 06:35 PM
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oceangirl, please also tell your friend that implants often lead to permanent, painful, hard scar tissue ten years down the line, or sooner. If she thinks being small puts a cramp on her sex life, imagine being in pain and havign boobs that feel like water balloons (or if she gets capsular contracture, which isn't all that uncommon, then just rock-hard boobs. yikes). I know she probably wants your support in this decision, and she will think you are just jealous or something, so maybe ask her if she has googled lots of before and after photos, including both successful and unsuccessful operations, and read about the complications and the cost of fixing them (yeah, I guess they don't fix these things for free because they're "complications" and not "mistakes"). It's pretty terrifying. also tell her to check out 007b.com, they have a whole gallery of natural breasts of all sizes that make you realize size sure as hell isn't everything. it also talks about women's breasts in general in terms of sexuality and modern culture.
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nbdx0645
post Jan 30 2010, 11:46 AM
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Hey buttercups,
A change in the daily routine can really hit you hard. It sounds like you've identified your main stressor at the moment -- work. Also, I'm not sure where you work, but in some US states, for retail and hourly positions, you're required by law to have one day off per 10 days worked (unless you waive the right and come in. Then the counter resets.) Also, I'd stress myself out if I felt the need to plan sex in my day. If I didn't partake in sex that night, it would feel like I skipped out on a workout, or ditched my friend's dinner plans. Let sex fall into place. I get performance anxiety, so the spontaneity works for me. One personal note from me: I used to feel that the only way I'd love my breasts was if someone else did...but if they told me they liked them, I'd think they're lying. Your own personal affirmation is REQUIRED before you'll be neutral toward your breasts. I don't love mine, but I'm not hating them either. I think they're on the same 'love level' as my elbows. They achieve their purpose.

Hi Oceangirl,
Breast implants and their implications on the human body are, in one word, inconclusive. There are stories of women who have had implants without adverse reactions for decades, and there are others who have had silicone migrate to their brain, lymph nodes, and surrounding breast tissue. Other women complain of autoimmune disease, connective tissue diseases, shooting pain from their extremities, and painful complications that require explantation and mastectomy. It is a lifestyle choice, and it is one that will require maintenance, upkeep, and money. The majority of women will require more than one surgery in her lifetime, so if she does follow through with it, she should always have a 'rainy day' fund handy in case of capsular contracture (can happen overnight) rupture (can happen in seconds) and other complications like rippling and breadloafing. Make sure she follows her doctor's instructions by the book. Also, make sure that she understands that the recommended MRI's are not covered by medical insurance, and have her check with her current provider's insurance to make sure she won't be dropped from her insurance. (If she's in the US.) Tiny breasts may damage her self-esteem, but implants may damage her health. The situation is similar to gambling without known odds. Also, there is a social stigma to getting implants (bimbo, vain, slutty, etc) that she may be confronted with. I saw two guys tear a girl's confidence to shreds when they made fun of her fake tits at a bar. I felt awful for her. Was she damned if she got them, and damned if she didn't?

Fake boobs are fake, and the body will react to fake things stuck in it. If I had fakies, I'd still have to tell the guy that my boobs were different. What's worse: "Hey....they're small, is that okay?" or "Hey....they're fake, is that okay?"
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buttercups
post Jan 30 2010, 07:44 AM
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Hey ladies, sorry I haven't been around much. Life's been treating me rough and I've even been too busy to grieve about it, but I've missed you all. I've been so down lately, and when that happens I tend to take it out on the parts of my body I dislike the most, so you've guessed it- the little girls have been my least favorite part lately. I haven't exactly lapsed back to where I was though, just sorta feeling unsexy that's all. But a large part of that could be that its been almost a month since me and my bf have had sex. I've been too busy and by the time my day is over I just collapse and go to sleep- even if I'm at his house- I can't seem to keep my eyes open past 10 p.m. when I'm consistently getting up around 5 a.m. I also haven't had a day off in...almost 10 days so far- and I've got another 8 to go before I get a day off, so that could also have to do with my stress and no time for sex. The little girls are gettin no lovin and that's when they start to feel the most unloved.

Spoton, I never really thought about how fitness people have implants until you mentioned it, but then again that is one of the things that has always deterred me from exercising. I would see all the girls on the fitness DVDs or on TV with implants, and I told myself that exercising would make the little I have go away, because I thought that that was obviously what happened to these women that made them want to have implants. So I think it does give a pretty negative message if you're someone promoting health and fitness, but you have plastic stuffed in your chest.

Hey oceangirl, I've never had a friend who got implants, but I've heard many stories about how detrimental it can be to your health. Maybe you could talk to her about it, see why she wants them so bad? If she has small breasts ( because let's face it a lot of girls who get implants don't! ) then you could refer her to this board, its done wonders for me.

Love you all and hope everyone is doing well! <3
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oceangirl
post Jan 30 2010, 12:43 AM
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Has anyone had a friend who went through a breast augmentation? My friend just told me she's getting it done and I am worried about how breast implants might affect her health. She is dead set on getting them. I am really shocked.
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post Jan 29 2010, 08:21 PM
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Hi Busties
Sorry for not popping in lately but uber busy and just haven't had as much time online as I'd like, but great to see the board still active.

I'm doing fine with my boobies, the latest bra's I got in Dec from VS have given me a boost under clothing. Also I've been braless a fair bit in the house. I did have a doubtful moment in the gym changing rooms when I was getting changed from the showers and seeing all these boobs bigger than mine, but they were ALL different. I guess it makes me realize that we all have insecurities, sometimes mine is my boobs sometimes it's other things. Other women may covet our tiny booblets smile.gif

ndbx that ad sounds terrible, seriously lemons? Love the fake fruit analogy, gee hate when we think of witty retorts after the fact. We don't have lemons! Lemons are such a negative, not only the lemonade quote but think of crappy cars, they are called lemons, anything inferior is usually called a lemon. Then I just think how desperate are the plastic surgeons to pray on womens insecurities like that? And the desperation of the women that fall for it? They have a target market and they prey on it I guess?

Strongirl - yep I have similar negative reactions to implants. I'm finding myself getting increasingly pissed off with the amount of implants in the fitness industry. Like they are popping off every page in fitness magazines! Seriously we health and fitness professionals are meant to be endorsing HEALTH and fitness how about we do that rather than fill ourselves with plastic and end up with leeching, cancer and numerous other ailments from a surgery that isn't needed. Case in point, I've caught up with a couple of instructors I knew years ago and was SHOCKED to see that both have had implants. One honestly looks ridiculous and the implants lowered my expectations of her as a presenter and fitness professional. I can't help how I feel, I honestly feel like my respect for her as a person, friend and colleague sunk low when I found out. Not jealous, no way, just disappointed, she was awesome before, fit healthy and just kickin' kwim? Now I just can't look at her without thinking that she looks like "bimbo". Which is sad cos I KNOW she is the same person, still knowledgeable but seriously implants? Yep I do view implanted women as having lesser intelligence and low self esteem and confidence, sorry I just do. That said I appreciate implant surgery for what it was intended, for RECONSTRUCTION due to illness/disease, not to glorify some fucked up 'ideal' of what the female body should look like. Honestly I'd rather the procedure never been invented and women everywhere wouldn't have the option to mutilate their bodies.
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strongirl
post Jan 28 2010, 10:45 PM
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nbdx, I totally agree with you, that ad is in bad taste at the very least. It's sort of ironic - I was reading a novel a few months ago "Water for Elephants" (quite good btw) and the protagonist describes the small breasts of the woman he is desperately in love with as something like "fitting in my hand perfectly, like lemons". That sprung to mind immediately when I read your post.

What offends me about the ad is that it's a play on the expression "when life hands you lemons, make lemonade", meaning when life deals you negatives, turn them into positives. I don't consider my small breasts to be a negative, thank you very much. The lemonade I'm making is by enjoying them for their own sweet small selves, and sharing them with others who are also appreciative. He can take his giant watermelons and shove them up his tight greedy ass.

I did love your comment about the fake fruit - you ARE witty! biggrin.gif

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post Jan 27 2010, 10:00 PM
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Hi Busties,
Speaking of fake boobs -- I was driving to the garden center after work (I have an orchid that needs repotting) and I came across the most peculiar billboard advertisement.

One side was "when life hands you lemons...." and on a yellow background there were two little lemons. The other side, says "UPGRADE!!" with a picture of two large, ripe watermelon on a lime green background. It was a sign for a plastic surgeon's office in my local town. He does a lot of advertising over the radio, as well, and it sounds like he's preying on the insecurities of women. For example, one commercial had the tone of "at your interview, during the first 30 seconds the interviewers are making critical judgments on your appearance...." I was thinking "WHOA! How desperate are you, sir?" I'd like to go to their 'promotional' meetings and say "You're all fine, really, find a good tailor -- not a surgeon!"

I think the sign is in bad taste, but what do you all think? I work in a marketing group so it was a very talked-about piece of advertising. My one coworker asked me my opinion and I looked down my shirt and shrugged. After we were talking about it, I should have said, "I don't really like fake fruit...I hear it doesn't taste good" (darn, so witty!) I might have to take a photo to post (or actually, I think it would be more fun to deface the billboard) biggrin.gif I mean HEY! I'd be stoked to have lemons, but cherries will do.
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post Jan 26 2010, 08:29 AM
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karategrrl, i'm with you on the body paint! whenever i visit a theme park, i love looking at the people who've gotten their faces painted, and wish that it was a socially acceptable thing in our culture; just that little extra bit of creativity and color.

i don't have any drama or profound thoughts to share today; i just have been thinking how adorable my aa's are, and what a shame it is that there's no one in my life who gets to enjoy them! wub.gif hope everyone's doing well.
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post Jan 26 2010, 07:39 AM
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Also, you can be dropped from your insurance or refused to renew insurance for getting implants: http://www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know...re_you_get.html My mom can't get a decent scan on her heart because a fake titty is clouding the scan.

Wow, um, this speaks volumes, doesn't it? Doctors (who want to make money and fund their vacation to Aruba or wherever) will say implants are safe, but if the insurance companies may drop you, they obviously know something.

Oh, and nbdx, I agree about the most important part of the breasts being the milk ducts and the nipples. The nips are, seriously, the focal point of the breast. cool.gif

BTW, I don't think those "tattoos" are really tattoos--they look much more like body painting--but they are still fab!! Hey, can we go public with just body paint? Sports Illustrated did it a few years back, and they got away with it, so I guess it is enough of a body covering to go out without being arrested.
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post Jan 20 2010, 08:49 PM
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(((nbdx)))


discowombat, thanks for posting the pic of chest tattoos. I didn't know about them. They're gorgeous!

I don't suppose women with them would be allowed into public swimming pools without some sort of top on...

hang on, maybe they'd let them in with tattoos like the 2nd one pictured here, the butterfly-ish bikini! I'm so impressed.
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post Jan 18 2010, 09:27 PM
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Cool. I was worried to post because I don't want to disrupt such a nurturing community. I guess I'm so used to defending myself on forums!

I think that's what's worse than losing breast size is losing your milk ducts and nipple...those are the working components of the breast, and the surrounding tissue is stored fat. Even if implants re-fill the skin, you're still without ducts and a nipple. :/

I'm so picky with what I put in me (food, penis, what-have-you) that I wouldn't be able to risk silicone poisoning and implant rejection. If someone I cared about got them after a reconstruction, I'd tell them how I felt about it and point them to a few websites that have personal stories about explantation an the events prior; but I wouldn't hold it against them after that. I know I snap at my mom when she complains of joint ache and her heart, but I get so mad about how she lied to me, and how she didn't care about my feelings when I found out about her implants. She never really apologized, she just denied that she did those things for a few months. After a while, she said she was mentally ill when she did those things.
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post Jan 18 2010, 09:07 PM
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and also, I forgot the second half of what I was going to say, nbdx, it is very different what you had to go through with your mom. I remember your earlier posts about her, and clearly she has problems that she hasn't been able to deal with, and you are very strong for recognizing that and taking care of yourself. I have no idea what it would be like to have that kind of relationship, and would never judge you for your opinions because of it! You have seen firsthand the kind of harm the plastic world can do to people and it's no wonder you have strong feelings about it!
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post Jan 18 2010, 09:03 PM
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nbdx, I love that people are comfortable to say what they feel here, and I know it can be hard to say exactly what you mean when it's about things that touch us so closely to our deepest insecurities and emotions. But I think everyone does a great job of respecting eachother's feelings and thoughts here so that we can all say what we think. I am also very anti-surgery (of any plastic type) but when it comes to reconstruction for people who have had a part of their body taken away, I think it's very different. I wish we lived in a world where no one would have to feel different because they look physically different... but if I lost a part of my body I feel is very important to me and how I see myself, I would be willing to go thrugh a lot of pain and risk to have it back. I am just happy my mom is OK, it helps that she is low risk for further complications, and further complications are covered by healthcare. That's the beauty of living in Canada.. major surgeries are covered no matter what your medical history, and even private healthcare is almost guaranteed to cover you if you get it through work or school. not so much if you can't get it through work and have to buy in by yourself tho, but overall, we are very lucky for these things.
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post Jan 18 2010, 08:21 PM
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nbdx, no one should have to endure the abuse you did from your mom on this issue. That's just awful and I deeply admire you for seeing it for what it was and dealing with it in a healthy way.

I am not an implant fan by any stretch of the imagination and I won't be getting any myself. But I would like to not have such strong negative reactions to women who do and to even be able to appreciate and enjoy them, since presumably that's why they got them. I know there are lots of implanted women like your mom, who I would not want to interact with at all. But I've known other women who have had them who are nice, normal, likeable. I don't think it's a moral litmus test. At the very least I'd like to be able to enjoy porn when there are implants in the picture but I find it very difficult cuz they are just too gross to me.

Maybe I should just give it up and hate them wholeheartedly and write off the women who get them as sell-outs or bimbos, but I haven't been able to get to that point either. It's just not that simple.

Also, on your concern about pissing people off in here, we mix it up in here from time to time but I think I can honestly say it has never gotten ugly or destructive or hurtful. Nobody's perfect or perfectly wise and the fact that we can call each other on our shit is one of the great things about this forum.
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post Jan 18 2010, 07:01 PM
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Angie_21, that just sucks. I'm sorry that your mom had to go through that. I really do hope that things go well for her in the future, and that she's still checking for any signs of recurrence; it can never be guaranteed that 100% of the tissue is excised, even if it is a full mastectomy. Cancer can still party around/in scar tissue or migrate to other regions of the body. Sucks.

I don't want to piss anyone off about my anti-silicone stand. (Why does this feel like I'm speaking at a pro-life/pro-choice debate?) Again, the joy with your body is that it's yours, and I don't think there should be a law against what you can and cannot do to your body, and I'm not going to have seething hatred toward anybody who bumps me around a bit about it. Writing on --

I'm sure your mom didn't do the things mine did with her implants. My mom flaunted her fake tits in my face and pretended they were real, and that mine were a cause for concern. She took me to doctors so I could ask why I wasn't developing. She would tell me not to wear clothes that showed my breastbone because I'd feel self-conscious, and she promised me implants at age 20. She had me brainwashed that life would only be good if I had noticeable breasts, and that I would be well-liked, I'd have a great life, I wouldn't miss out on opportunities, and I'd finally be sexy. Hell, I'd finally be normal.

My biggest beef with implants is that they have a 90% failure rate after ten years, it's major surgery, and there is a hypothesis that implants can cause crazy immunological issues (lupus, fibromyalgia.) Cancer cells can develop and hide behind an implant (like ninjas.) Also, you can be dropped from your insurance or refused to renew insurance for getting implants: http://www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know...re_you_get.html My mom can't get a decent scan on her heart because a fake titty is clouding the scan. Sad thing is, she doesn't have enough money (15k+) to get them removed since my parents split. I'm wondering if there's a way someone could take her case pro bono. After writing this, I conclude that I'm not against people getting their breasts back to size they once were, I'm against potentially dangerous methods of achieving this task. I'm also against women getting giant halved-off cantaloupes shoved under the skin and going "They're real LOLZ."
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