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> Bacterial Vaginosis--or--embarrassing bad smell
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post Jun 5 2007, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 5 2007, 05:15 AM) *
We are stressed, which effects our immune system, because way to much lactic acid is dumped into our system, which breeds yeast, (possibly killing our good bacterias) ...

But isn't lactic acid a good thing? I thought that was one of the things that lactobacillus produced in the vaginal flora (along with HP) that keeps the bad bacteria in check.


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post Jun 5 2007, 08:40 AM
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Hun, I'm sorry to be the first to say but doctors could care less as long as you keep coming back. I kept asking my doctor for estrogen but he kept denying it but if I asked for something else like metrogel or something then yeah he would give me that all day long. They don't care! I have no faith in doctors PERIOD!
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Italianwife88
post Jun 5 2007, 08:13 AM
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My bv being caused by hormonal issues sounds correct because it does keep coming back each month right before my period. I even told my doctor that and they didnt suggest a estrogen problem
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post Jun 5 2007, 08:12 AM
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Just for your info guys: Jewels and I both tried Tindamax and it didn't help anymore than Flagyl did. I think it actually may have more side effects, too.

I wish soy helped...I have been vegetarian for 8 years now and I try to stay away from milk too so I have tons of soy in my diet. No help with my BV here.
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post Jun 5 2007, 06:49 AM
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ok well i've been using the yeast arrest for 2 weeks now, i thought i was doing fine but yesterday and today i feel like i kind of smell a little bv smell. but it's not the same bv smell i've always had, just kind of a little tiny bit sour smell. but i'm getting my period this week (it's my week off from my bc pills.) so maybe that has something to do with it. i've been taking the fem dophilus with it.

bvgirl, did the yeast arrest have a smell to it at all when you used it?

well anyway i'm going to be using the yeast arrest for 2 more weeks and hope it stays away. i've had sex a few times so maybe that's not a good idea to do that while on the yeast arrest and that's why i smell a little? it's not like oh my god i stink smell, i just smell the discharge sometimes and i've noticed it smells a little bit. so i'll slow down the sex part a little too.

i've been trying to keep up with all your talk about strep b and a and stuff like that but it's too confusing for me to understand! i tried doing a little research on it myself and i didn't get much out of it.


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All I can say about the fact that you may have smelled a little bv maybe you need to allow more than two weeks for your body to respond to it fully & if you smelled it after sex I suggest that you use the yeast arrest afterwards. I believe I remembered reading about when you stated that the yeast arrest was working pretty fast(if I am not mistaken). When I first started on the yeast arrest it took only two doses before the smell disappeared but I continued to take it and I did smell a hint a small hint of bv a week into it but I continued taking the yeast arrest everyday on schedule. As far as any smell, the only smell I have is somewhat oniony from time to time but no bv smell. Some women may respond to it differently and on the directions it states that you may have to use it longer than suggested or at least wait until your initial use is completed then monitor how your smell is. Since it is not a cure it is just a process to just continue to monitor your progress. Also, as far as having sex while actively using the yeast arrest well it could irritate your partner if he comes in contact with it. While using the yeast arrest you will have a discharge throughout the day and so that discharge which contains boric acid (as you know )and can be an irritant can cause problems for him. That would be the only issue I would see with regards of having sex while actively on the yeast arrest. I dont know how effective condoms would be with the boric acid. you may want to research it. For me my honey is over in Iraq until October so I am not sexually active but I too need to research boric acid and condoms. Always good to be informed


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arj75
post Jun 5 2007, 05:58 AM
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My insomnia is back with full force, try reading about antimicrobial peptides without any sleep (4 days), and try to make sense of it. lol. I quit taking Xanax, as it wasn't helping any longer and I didn't want to become dependant on something that wasn't helping anyways.

We are stressed, which effects our immune system, because way to much lactic acid is dumped into our system, which breeds yeast, (possibly killing our good bacterias) which yeast take over whether it just be in our stomachs or vaginas or who knows where else. It sucks that not only do we have to deal with smelling like rotten fish, but now we have UTI's to worry about, and possibly some of us..IBS. So, when I get time I'm gonna start a blog for prevention of all of these...plus vitamin deficiencies that all "link" to these disorders.

But this is just my opinion, which makes a whole hell of a lot of sense to me.

I thought I was doing something by taking 500 mg of vitamin C....ummm, it is suggested for stressed out females to take 3,000-10,000 mg daily.


But as I have mentioned earlier, you have to talk to your doctor. Because certain vitamins can react with certain meds, (even some foods) and stop absorbtion, and who knows whatever else. If you have other health issues please discuss with your doctor.

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post Jun 5 2007, 03:14 AM
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[quote name='cinderflower' date='Jun 4 2007, 11:19 PM' post='156091']
. . . and well, I'm confused as hell, because it said that soy can be bad because it has a property in it that "poses itself as estrogen and links with what estrogen should"??? I'm gonna check into that a little more. I just thought I would mention it because I think some of us drink soy milk and eat soy......

just to simplify it for you: soy has estrogen in it basically. plant estrogen. i don't eat any meat so i use seitan and soy protein powder--protein but no fat. just remember not to od on the soy because too much estrogen isn't good for anyone. i get about 24 grams of protein a day from soy and that agrees with me but if you're concerned, ask your doctor.

Thanks Cinderflower, you take supplements? I read an article that a doctor had written, basically saying stear clear of supplements from soy, that it can be dangerous. I'm sorry, I do not remember the link, I will try and track it down for you.

Do you think that your bv is caused from hormonal issues or not? Does yours come back every month or how often?

Are you a lacto-vegan or total vegan?
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post Jun 5 2007, 01:41 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 4 2007, 08:49 PM) *
Does everyone already know hat tindamax was approved by the fda (may 24, 2007?) for treatment of bv. This is not a new drug, it is already prescribed for other aliments. I only read the one article, according the studies success rate...I'm not sure why they "approved" it. But at least it is another option.....

Thanks for this info. arj75! This is definitely useful news for everyone:

FDA Approves Tindamax® For Bacterial Vaginosis


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post Jun 4 2007, 10:02 PM
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. . . and well, I'm confused as hell, because it said that soy can be bad because it has a property in it that "poses itself as estrogen and links with what estrogen should"??? I'm gonna check into that a little more. I just thought I would mention it because I think some of us drink soy milk and eat soy......

just to simplify it for you: soy has estrogen in it basically. plant estrogen. i don't eat any meat so i use seitan and soy protein powder--protein but no fat. just remember not to od on the soy because too much estrogen isn't good for anyone. i get about 24 grams of protein a day from soy and that agrees with me but if you're concerned, ask your doctor.

e.coli is very common because it's in everyone's digestive tract, you just don't want it in your vagina or urinary tract. the old caveats really are the best: cotton crotch panties, be careful to air yourself out if you wear tight-fitting nylon clothing, wipe front to back, pee right before you have sex if possible, and be extremely clean if you have anal sex (i.e. never insert anything from anus to vagina without washing it first or at least changing the condom). cranberry juice or pills work wonders for uti's, plain active culture yogurt really does work when you apply it vaginally (it's not just for breakfast anymore), and it's the anaerobic (growing without oxygen) bacteria that's evil.


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post Jun 4 2007, 09:32 PM
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Does everyone already know hat tindamax was approved by the fda (may 24, 2007?) for treatment of bv. This is not a new drug, it is already prescribed for other aliments. I only read the one article, according the studies success rate...I'm not sure why they "approved" it. But at least it is another option.....
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post Jun 4 2007, 07:55 PM
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ok well i've been using the yeast arrest for 2 weeks now, i thought i was doing fine but yesterday and today i feel like i kind of smell a little bv smell. but it's not the same bv smell i've always had, just kind of a little tiny bit sour smell. but i'm getting my period this week (it's my week off from my bc pills.) so maybe that has something to do with it. i've been taking the fem dophilus with it.

bvgirl, did the yeast arrest have a smell to it at all when you used it?

well anyway i'm going to be using the yeast arrest for 2 more weeks and hope it stays away. i've had sex a few times so maybe that's not a good idea to do that while on the yeast arrest and that's why i smell a little? it's not like oh my god i stink smell, i just smell the discharge sometimes and i've noticed it smells a little bit. so i'll slow down the sex part a little too.

i've been trying to keep up with all your talk about strep b and a and stuff like that but it's too confusing for me to understand! i tried doing a little research on it myself and i didn't get much out of it.
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post Jun 4 2007, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 4 2007, 07:02 PM) *
Hey everyone,

I was hoping to share my culture results with you all but.... I'm still waiting for them them to return my phone call.



You may have to call them. I, personally, can't wait to see what it comes back with. I didn't expect e. coli in my culture, but of course, it didn't surprise me either.
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post Jun 4 2007, 05:45 PM
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Hey everyone,

I was hoping to share my culture results with you all but.... I'm still waiting for them them to return my phone call.

I do know that I'm not stinking. I'll start my period here in another week or so, hopefully with no stinch afterwards. I forgot to say that my vinegar baths...he said very cold water..and stay in for one minute...this might just be for my cervix being inflamed though. Good news is no burning yeast infection yet..knocking on wood.

I did some more reading about the bodies oxygen levels, and healing, rebuilding vaginal skin cells that are roting away inside..... Our vaginal walls need rebuilt too. I'm gonna try the products I brought up before about improving oxygenation. Worth a shot.

I also started to investigate the link as why african american women are higher at risk(douche to much) , while asian women are the lowest for bv. (They eat a lot of soy) I came across some interesting information about soybeans and soy supplements...and well, I'm confused as hell, because it said that soy can be bad because it has a property in it that "poses itself as estrogen and links with what estrogen should"??? I'm gonna check into that a little more. I just thought I would mention it because I think some of us drink soy milk and eat soy......

My baby had bloodwork done today. The doctor is checking just to be sure I explained to her about the fact that I didn't get to the hospital..and had bv most of my prenantcy..but was never treated for it... She did say that if he had a bacterial infection from strep b that he would be way sicker. I guess she is just checking for my own sanity, but I'm glad she is.

I also read "The yeast connection" and in that article a doctor explains his "theory" of how to check cultures..and moniter the progress of each bacteria..I think monthly? I'm sure that can get pretty damn expensive because he said that most insurance companies don't want to pay for that. No surprise there. I wish he would have mentioned his success rate with his patients by doing that. I'd like to know what my odds are before I would go that route.


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post Jun 4 2007, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(help4bv @ Jun 4 2007, 03:34 PM) *
I FOUND A GREAT PRODUCT FOR BV.

Hi Everyone: I just wanted to let you all know that I came across a probiotic that seems to really work (I noticed a difference almost immediately). It is called Fem Dophilus and it is made by Jarrow.

Thanks help4bv! Good to see that someone else is having good results with Fem-dophilus.


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post Jun 4 2007, 04:17 PM
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I FOUND A GREAT PRODUCT FOR BV.

Hi Everyone: I just wanted to let you all know that I came across a probiotic that seems to really work (I noticed a difference almost immediately). It is called Fem Dophilus and it is made by Jarrow. This probiotic is specifically made to re-colonize the vaginal tract with lactobacillus and you only take it orally. It contains two patented forms of lactobacillus that are proven to work specifically for the vaginal tract. Trust me, I have taken probiotics by the handful without results. This is the first time I have gotten results as good as this. Supposedly, flagyll has a cure rate of only 44%, but taking this along with the flagyll increases the cure rate twice as much. I am just using the Fem dophilus by itself and feel blessed relief from this pain in the neck problem. Trust me – you will be amazed.

I too was diagnosed with Strep B as well. I think this is helping that too. I have not felt this good in years!

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post Jun 4 2007, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(Italianwife88 @ Jun 3 2007, 09:37 PM) *
I have thought it might be might diet affecting me since im in love with chocolate sugar and caffine. I try to cut back. any advice on what kind of diet i should maintain?


Concerning diet.. a good diet to do is the 'Candida Diet'. I know we are talking about Bacterial Vaginosis on this forum, but killing bacteria and killing yeast is a similar thing. You have to starve the bacteria by cutting off their food source. Don't eat sugar or simple carbs for a while. That is what I am doing, and it seems to be controlling the BV for now. Controlling it until I can figure out what my real health problem is, and why I have chronic BV. I read a book called The Yeast Connection, and that had diet ideas in it. Or you can just google yeast infection on the internet, and there you can find a lot of yeast and bacteria fighting diet information.

Someone mentioned earlier about keeping your diet less acidic - and more alkaline. I believe this is a good way to go. Try to eat healthy alkaline forming foods, so that you can fight infection. Having an acidic body makes it harder to heal. Just to let you know, coffee and sugar are both on the list of acidifying foods. So you should limit them. I try to have not more than one cup of coffee a day! And if you do eat acid forming foods, balance it out with healthier alkaline forming foods.

Also make sure you read through all the previous threads on this board.. there is a lot of information already listed by others. Good luck!
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post Jun 4 2007, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(neverending @ Jun 4 2007, 10:05 AM) *
I was reading a web article where they were putting very young girls (like 6,7,8,9 and so on) on estrogen because their bodies (vaginas) never uhm............what's the word i'm looking for? Developed properly. When I find that article again I'll post it smile.gif



QUOTE(Italianwife88 @ Jun 4 2007, 10:53 AM) *
Thats strange, ok thanks alot. smile.gif


Not as strange as one would think. My sister had her estrogen and progesterone levels read years ago, and they came back strange, and she was only in her twenties. Your progesterone/estrogen ratio is supposed to be within a certain range, and if the ratio is off, then you will have health issues. I think it would be a good idea to have yours measured by a doctor. I am going for bloodwork myself in two weeks, just to see if that is why I have BV. It could be that my body is just like my sisters.. we seem to be having the same health problems.
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post Jun 4 2007, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(Italianwife88 @ Jun 3 2007, 06:37 PM) *
Well since I have only been seeing a primary physician because I dont have insurance I was being wrongly diagnosed with yeast infections. I would take diflican pills even back to back; take a pill wait 5 days take a pill, and it always seemed to return. I had a culture and it came back BV so i was treated once for that. I kept getting UTI's along the way. So I was at the doctor every week for UTI, yeast or BV. I did monistat once and took some presciptions for BV once. When it came back this time they decided it was chronic and needed something stronger. I started the boric acid suppositorys this week and they will last for 2 months... thats a long time and frustration expecially since the first week of this medicine will be in company of my period. thats just uncomfortable on top of uncomfortable.

I have thought it might be might diet affecting me since im in love with chocolate sugar and caffine. I try to cut back. any advice on what kind of diet i should maintain?

Hello Italianwife88! Boy, you've been through the ringer. I've heard that BV can cause UTI's, and the infection can go back and forth. Looks like that might be the case with you. Let's hope the Boric acid does the trick.

What prescription did you take for your BV?

Have you tried probiotics? Check out my blog for some info. on that (link in my sig)


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post Jun 4 2007, 08:36 AM
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Thats strange, ok thanks alot. smile.gif
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post Jun 4 2007, 07:48 AM
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I was reading a web article where they were putting very young girls (like 6,7,8,9 and so on) on estrogen because their bodies (vaginas) never uhm............what's the word i'm looking for? Developed properly. When I find that article again I'll post it smile.gif
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