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pianogirl
post Oct 26 2006, 08:42 AM
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Hi Ladies,

I was wondering if anyone tried a strong Probiotics substance (oral) in combination with the boric acid. I am at work so I was unable to read this whole report but I found some interesting information on the web. I hope this helps some.

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http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlere...i?artid=1140735
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latinrican
post Oct 26 2006, 08:12 AM
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autumnbreeze,

Where do you get the pau d'arco and how many days have you used it already?

free spirit,

I totally agree with you on everything. I sometimes google to see if any dr's are doing those clinical research study groups for BV around ATL, GA because Im sooooooo willing to jump in and tell them "study me , study me" lol.... or If only a dr is willing to chk out this thread and figure something out for us.
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autumnbreeze
post Oct 26 2006, 07:45 AM
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"What the hell is pau d'arco? I'm interested in trying anything."

Eralc Alegna: Pau D'arco is considered an herb. It is the inner bark of a tree found in South America. People there use it for yeast infections, some STD's, cancer, etc. It is supposed to have anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, and anti-viral properties. I recently learned of it when I was researching BV. On a forum similar to this one, a lady said that she had BV when she was younger. She douched with pau d'arco tea for 2 or 3 nights straight and the BV never came back. I thought "what the hell--I'll give it a try". There is a lot of info on the net so you can do your own research but here are a couple of links. I bought it in bark form and boiled it & strained it for tea. I did not have any side effects but I don't think it is meant to be used long term. Oh, it does make you pee! So I guess it's also good if you need to lose some water weight.

http://www.greatvistachemicals.com/herbal-...pau-d-Arco.html

http://www.allnatural.net/herbpages/pau-d-arco.shtml


"how long have you been battling BV? I first got it when I was ten"

pympmama1: Wow, at 10?! Just curious.. when it started, did you already have your period at that time?
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post Oct 26 2006, 03:18 AM
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1. age? 30
2. how long have you been battling BV? I first got it when I was ten and my mom was told no bubble bath or smelly soaps for me... the next bout with it did not come until I was 17 and became sexually active.. it goes away and comes back... when I was 17 my obgyn recommended douching intead of not douching. This time 3 and a half years
3. not sexually active and have not been for 2 yrs .... very fearful that men will be grossed out and think that i am unclean... before that I was in a 2yr relationship...
4. discharge and odor
5. 10 since the BA the smell has gone away thank god small little miracle
6 . 7
7. metrogel, flagyl BA( it works)
8. what do you think originally caused your BV? I think it is something i ate or stopped eating, soap used, being black, and not drinking milk .... I use to be able to drink milk now I can't I am alergic
9. none
10. 2... I think the doc are just as clueless as the rest of us as to what caused it... what pisses me off is that... we can clone sheep and make artifical wombs but we can not find a cause for bv.... When dr told me that many things could have cause it....Well how do i stop doing what ever caused this if you can not definitively tell me what caused it mad.gif
11. regular and 100% cotton
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free_spirit
post Oct 26 2006, 12:53 AM
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Unlurking to say:

What a great idea to poll the thread...Now someone can post the running stats...(I think this thread should have a sub thread just to track the stats, keeping it seperate from the other posts, because you all seem so serious in finding the cure and this seems like a great foundation and starting point)

(I would have also asked how many people had abortions or were ever pregnant (as I heard that it is linked to bv (i forgot why though) ) and I would ask what is your background (black, white, etc) to find where it is most prevalent.

I really think that you girls are onto some ground breaking stuff...

Also it seems that most of the women here had it more several years, so maybe all women have it and different things trigger it making it worse in some women and not in others...Maybe some treat at the onsset and some are embarrased and treat once the condition has worsened...(just thinking about all the info gathered so far)

I personally think that BV comes from men who sleep around and have female fluids from other women that they have not washed or cleaned properly in their genital area, and they give other women other womens bacteria, mixing up different peoples bodily fluids which shouldnt be done in any area, let alone such a sensitive area as the vagina...



Someone (who has time) should emerge as a leader for this thread (to monitor the progress, success, and failures of the treatments (seeing which treatments lasted the longest, etc. and why? and what chemical or ingredient was specifically in the treatment) And someone should officially spearhead the quest for the cure (whoever cures this will obviously become rich as so many women will need the treatment of it)...
(this may seem so long winded, just a thought though)

The person should contact a lot of doctors and medical boards, etc. and petition them to research further. They should keep meticulous track of what everyone has going on with their individual bv case, and have doctors come look at all the research, etc. done here, and results you all have posted here to see what needs to be done, and find out why somethings are working more versus others.

This is so jumbled, but I hope someone understands what I am trying to say....And I know that this would be a lot to do, and it could be me who does it, I just wanted to put this out here...
And some of you will be thinking who has the time or wants to devote their life to finding a cure for bacterial vaginosis, but my reasoning behind this whole post is all it takes is one person to make a difference, and we can always dream can't we?! Women should not have to live with an embarassing and disgusting thing such as this. Even though it seems that a lot of people have it, it seems to be a shortage of awareness or lack of concern...So maybe BV needs a voice and or a spokes person.

Rambling so much...Oh well...
Maybe all of my posts from today should be in the eniberated (damn I spelled that all wrong) ramblings thread.

*Gulps last tasty swallow of cocktail*


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neverending
post Oct 25 2006, 11:56 PM
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more:

Estrogen may resist infection by increasing the number of lactobacilli, the microorganism that fights infection by lowering the vaginal pH levels and preventing E. coli from adhering to vaginal cells. Estrogen creams and estrogen-releasing rings have been associated with a lower incidence of recurring urinary tract infections than women not using such topical estrogens. A 2003 study indicated however, that the estrogen ring had no effect on lactobacilli and less effective than the standard preventive antibiotic regimen. Oral hormone replacement therapies, which contain estrogen, do not seem to provide the same benefit as the topical forms, and in any case are proving to have health risks, including an increased risk for breast cancer and heart disease. Evidence is lacking about whether vaginal forms of estrogen have not been associated with these risks.
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neverending
post Oct 25 2006, 11:31 PM
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Eralc Alegna:"I told my boyfriend the other night that we should start a support group: Women With The Rot and the Men Who Love Them. I seriously pity him..." You are too funny! I'll sign up;) LOL!

LADIES:Sorry to keep stressing this but I really feel I have come across something that might help you all because it has helped me a lot.

READ THIS:
the pill thins the lining of the uterus to decrease menstrual bleeding, but can also thin the vaginal epithelium leading to dryness.As sex hormones, estrogens are produced in one tissue, the ovary. They are released into the blood stream, and have their effect on target tissues. Those target tissues have receptors specific for recognition of the estrogen. The estrogens effect on the target tissues is to produce specific tissue growth. Target tissues for estrogens include breast tissue, vaginal tissue, vulvar tissue, endometrial and uterine tissue. Other tissues reported to be target tissues for estrogen include bone, brain, and cardiovascular tissue.

Young women who are not on contraceptive medications have a very high level of estrogen. Women who are on contraceptive medications have a very low level of estrogen(NOTICE HOW IT SAYS LOW), for the intent of contraceptives is to suppress normal ovarian function and prevent ovulation, therefore preventing a possible pregnancy. As each woman normally ages, her level of estrogen declines yearly until menopause, where the ovary is depleted of all ovum, and all estrogen production ceases. "Perimenopause" is the ill-defined time frame before and after menopause. Perimenopause could more appropriately be termed "premenopause", for the estrogen levels for five to ten years before actual menopause (normally age 50) causes a host of signs and symptoms of inadequate estrogen in its target tissues. Perimenopause depression could be inadequate estrogen for its target brain tissue. Osteoporosis is the thinning of trabecular bone associated with genetic predisposition, low calcium intake, inadequate exercise, and low estrogen levels.
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Eralc Alegna
post Oct 25 2006, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(autumnbreeze @ Oct 25 2006, 09:30 PM) *

7. Metrogel, Flagyl, RePHresh. Currently trying probiotics + pau d'arco + hydrogen peroxide douche. This is

What the hell is pau d'arco? I'm interested in trying anything.
And yes, my sex life has been destroyed many times over. I actually had to wash sheets for a guy I was seeing once like 2 years ago. Imagine just trying to have a nice friendly lay and stinking up his whole apartment, staining his white sheets, and trying to explain yourself and save face at the same time. HORRIFIC.

I told my boyfriend the other night that we should start a support group: Women With The Rot and the Men Who Love Them. I seriously pity him...
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alwaysonmymind
post Oct 25 2006, 09:43 PM
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1. age? 25
2. how long have you been battling BV? Since I was 21, Four years now.
3. married/ LT relationship or sexually active with more than 1 partner or not sexually active or other. Sexually active with 1 partner in the last year. Always have protected sex.
4. main symptoms?. Once, I have unprotected sex exactly 2 days later I will get a fishy smell.
5. rate odor on scale 1-10 1-being no smell at all 10- horrific 8
6. rate discharge 1-10 1- being normal vaginal discharge 10- extreme- . 5
7. what have you tried to get rid of BV? What has your partner tried? Clindamycin, Flaygil, Probiotics
8. what do you think originally caused your BV? (if you think you know) I slept with someone who was not faithful, he slept around. I noticed a smell and douched a couple of times. Finally went to the doctor was prescripted antibiotics and have been dealing with since.
9. what birth control are you using, if any? None, some give me yeast infections!
10. how many drs. have you been to regarding this problem and you experiences? 4-5. All say "some woman just can't get rid of it"
11. thongs or regular panties? Both

Note: I was diagnosed with Cervical Dyplesia caused by the HPV virus a year and a half ago. I do believe that I got this virus by the same partner who I noticed the BV problems with. My body just changed down there after him.


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pianogirl
post Oct 25 2006, 09:00 PM
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Hello Ladies,

I might have spoken to soon. I am on day 5 of my period and out of curiosity I smelled myself and I smelled funny, a mixture of blood and fish. sad.gif I guess I will have to go back on the boric I was off of it for just 5 days (when my period started and now its back. I guess boric acid might have to be used when on a period.

Any thoughts?

Hi Sassy,

It is rather annoying and I do not enjoy sex as I am very paranoid about this problem, it really has damaged my sex life.

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autumnbreeze
post Oct 25 2006, 08:13 PM
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1. 30
2. Battling BV for 4 1/2 years
3. Currently 1 partner. When BV first appeared I had just began seeing a new partner but we used condoms. Total of 3 partners in the last 4+ years
4. Light discharge (gray in color) and a strong fishy odor
5. Discharge (1-10): 3
6. Smell (1-10): 8
7. Metrogel, Flagyl, RePHresh. Currently trying probiotics + pau d'arco + hydrogen peroxide douche. This is my first time trying a home remedy..so far, the discharge and smell have decreased significantly but it's too soon to say for sure--as we all know, this sh*# is relentless!
8. I'd say spermicide or just germs from guys' fingers when they play with the kitty or from their mouth when giving oral.
9. Condoms. In the past, I've taken the pill..Ortho Tri-Cyclen and Yasmin. When BV first appeared, I was not on the pill, I was using condoms and VCF (vaginal contraceptive film).
10. 3 doctors.
11. Both. I didn't start wearing thongs until after BV

I truly think there is more to BV than the medical community knows or will admit. If it is just an "imbalance" then it should not be difficult to regain that balance, right? One would think that if you continually take probiotics/lactobacilli orally & vaginally then they should accumulate and eventually "balance" or overpower the bad bacteria. But this obviously doesn't happen. I believe that a key element is that with BV, our bodies ability to produce/regenerate good bacteria is compromised or impaired. sad.gif

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sassy
post Oct 25 2006, 07:05 PM
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Pianogirl: "smell of the sea"...haha! I've been a vegetarian for 7 years so I too am confused because my diet is healthy.

I also didn't realize how many younger girls were on here. We need to fix this so we can enjoy our sex lives, damnit!
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jewelscando
post Oct 25 2006, 06:56 PM
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1. age? - 37
2. how long have you been battling BV? 3 1/2 yrs
3. Same partner for last 4 1/2 yrs
4. Itty bitty fish head smell with discharge
5. 10- horrific - Unless you enjoy the smell of fish
6. 7, sometimes I have no discharge, just smell
7. Every Antibiotic possible, boyfriend was on metro also once. Tried Enzara (Waste of Money) Tea Tree Oil, Tetrasil, Gy-Na-Tren Vaginal Lactobacillus, Oral Lactobacillus, Vaginal Vitamin C and Lastly, Boric.
8. Hysterectomy or, new boyfriend. (Large Penis and ALOT OF SEX)
9. I use Hysterctomy for Birth Control. Seems to work really well!! wink.gif
10. 3 Doctors. All have said the same thing. "Here you go, take this for 7 days, OH, and DON'T DRINK ALCOHOL WHILE TAKING THIS".
11. Regular panties
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D double U
post Oct 25 2006, 05:23 PM
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1. 20
2. a year and a half
3. single ,boyfriend 2 partners inthe last 10 months
4. light smell, hella discharge
5. 2
6. 8
7. Metrogel, Enzara, peroxide on a tampon, Tetrasil, Boric Acid
8. having sex with someone who didnt wash good
9. condoms
10. 4
11. regular panties, too much discharge on thongs
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post Oct 25 2006, 03:39 PM
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1. age? 33

2. how long have you been battling BV? Since last November

3. married/ LT relationship or sexually active with more than 1 partner or not sexually active or other
I was sleeping with an ex when I got BV the first time. We had lots of sex and never had any problems. We stopped seeing each other and I had no sex between mid January and May. The BV came back anyway in April. I have a boyfriend now and we've been sleeping together since May. I hid this from him until a few weeks ago. He hasn't noticed a thing and isn't bothered by this at all.

4. main symptoms? The first time was the odor. Since then just discharge.

5. rate odor on scale 1-10 1-being no smell at all 10- horrific I guess a 2...normal

6. rate discharge 1-10 1- being normal vaginal discharge 10- extreme Maybe 4 or 5

7. what have you tried to get rid of BV? What has your partner tried? I have used MetroGel-Vaginal, Metronidazol (oral) and I've been taking Acidophilus. No partners have ever been treated.

8. what do you think originally caused your BV? (if you think you know) I have no idea!

9. what birth control are you using, if any? I've been taking birth control pills (Tri-Levlen 28) since I was 16...never had a problem before.

10. how many drs. have you been to regarding this problem and you experiences? Just one so far...she's ok, but she has no idea how to help me. She just writes a prescription with 3 or 4 refills at a time...they haven't worked.

11. thongs or regular panties? Regular panties (bikinis)...I don't like thongs and have been wearing more cotton since this started.
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Eralc Alegna
post Oct 25 2006, 12:58 PM
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1. age? 22
2. how long have you been battling BV? off and on for 5 years
3. married/ LT relationship or sexually active with more than 1 partner or not sexually active or other? LT relationship for the past year but little sex due to the BV. Celebate for quite some time before
4. main symptoms?. Discharge and smell, particularly during and after sex
5. rate odor on scale 1-10 1-being no smell at all 10- horrific: I'd say a 6 now. It's improved but also varies
6. rate discharge 1-10 1- being normal vaginal discharge 10- extreme- . 7-8 not constant but throughout the day. I notice it more when I'm active.
7. what have you tried to get rid of BV? metronidazol, cleocin, metrogel, some 4 pills I had to take all at once, hydrogen peroxide douches, Vit C vaginally and orally, acidophillus orally, boric acid, potato LOL! I've had partners treated with metronidazol twice
8. what do you think originally caused your BV? New partners? The pill?(though i didn't get BV until 2 years after i was on it and was no longer taking it)
9. what birth control are you using, if any? IUD ( i know, I know but this all started before i got one), just started condoms again to help the smell and prevent. Now the doc wants me on a low dose pill starting next month in case it's hormones. it will be an immaculate conception if I ever get pregnant!
10. how many drs. have you been to regarding this problem and you experiences? god i don't know! I'm going to guess 5 or 6
11. thongs or regular panties? I used to not wear underwear. God I miss that! now i'm constantly wearing a pad on top of that... pads are the devil and bane of my existance.

So the doc yesterday did the quick test that takes 10 min and it was negative!? maybe because i used boric the morning before. we'll see what the culture says but now she wants me on the pill. I'm wary, shouldn't they test to see if my estogen is low before they go trating me for it? I take st johns wort for depression so I'm unsure about all of this. Got the HPV vaccine though, hurt like hell and have two more to go but no warts or cancer for me!
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pianogirl
post Oct 25 2006, 10:09 AM
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1. age? 25
2. how long have you been battling BV? SINCE MAY OF 2005
3. married/ LT relationship or sexually active with more than 1 partner or not sexually active or other? Long term monogamous relationship for almost 3 years BV started after I got on BC pills(it was my first time on BC pills).
4. main symptoms?. NASTY! NASTY! FISHY SMELL and A LOT OF DISCHARGE.
5. rate odor on scale 1-10 1-being no smell at all 10- horrific IT VARIED BETWEEN 8-10, Last winter it was a 10+++ the smell wouldn’t leave my clothes. I would stand on line in a store and smell myself it was disgustingly sad.
6. rate discharge 1-10 1- being normal vaginal discharge 10- extreme- . 9, I have always had discharge I am told its normal (lubrication).
7. what have you tried to get rid of BV? What has your partner tried? We both took flayll large doses, he did it 2 x and I 4 x and I also took Cleocin 2x. My doctor treated me for 10 months before I gave up hope on her curing me, she did try but nothing helped.
8. what do you think originally caused your BV? (if you think you know) I got it after me and my current was having lots of sex and I was on BC pills (seasonale to be exact). I thought the smell was because I hadn’t gotten my period in months and that was the smell of old blood. I know it sounds silly but I didn’t know what else to think as I never had this problem.
9. what birth control are you using, if any? NONE and I never will use any again.
10. how many drs. have you been to regarding this problem and you experiences? Same one, I have no insurance and she gives me free medicine. : (
11. thongs or regular panties? Thongs but for 9 – 10 yrs.



Boric acid seems to be working I took it or three weeks straight and now my period is here and I have no nasty smell. If anyone uses the boric make sure you ask for the antiseptic one as that’s what I have been told is the most effective and this is the one that has been working for me. I don’t think the BV is caused by diet as I have been a vegetarian for 13 years so my diet is pretty constant. I seriously think the BC pills threw my system out of whack. I plan on continuing to use the boric for 2 x a week. It has helped with the discharge as well; however my bigger issue was the smell. The smell of the sea…however right now everything seems to be fine. I have been having sex but with condoms and I just feel a bit dry but its better than being smelly.

Thanks
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post Oct 25 2006, 08:44 AM
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1. age? 25
2. how long have you been battling BV? 1 year consistently but I do remember in college about 4 years ago I was prescribed meds for BV and after it was treated it didnt come back till last year.
3. married/ LT relationship or sexually active with more than 1 partner or not sexually active or other 1 Partner for 1 1/2 years
4. main symptoms?. Odor and Discharge
5. rate odor on scale 1-10 1-being no smell at all 10- horrific: It has improved and not sure if its because I've been on the Boric Acid and I changed my laundry detergent, soap, and eating yogurt and drinking pure cranberry juice. My odor was a 10+ --- through clothes and even smelling it when I was sitting down, uggggh. Now its about a 2.
6. rate discharge 1-10 1- being normal vaginal discharge 10- extreme- . Sometimes I have discharge and when I do, its about a 3. It used to be worse, though.
7. what have you tried to get rid of BV? What has your partner tried? Antibiotics, Rephresh, Boric Acid. No my partner was never given any meds for it.
8. what do you think originally caused your BV? (if you think you know) Have no idea.
9. what birth control are you using, if any? Orthotricyclin-Lo
10. how many drs. have you been to regarding this problem and you experiences? 3
11. thongs or regular panties? regular panties majority of the times
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post Oct 24 2006, 08:57 PM
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1. 21
2. Since I started my period at age 14
3. Engaged--been with partner for 1 year and 4-months. I've only had 3 sexual partners, including him.
4. Odor...tons of discharge
5. 7
6. 10
7. I've tried EVERY type of antibiotic possible, including some non-standard types. I've tried enzara, herbal supplements, tea tree oil, and boric acid.
8. I have no idea. I wasn't sexually active until four years after I knew I had BV.
9. The pill but I've had BV with and without it...it makes no difference.
10. Just a couple at my regular gyno practice.
11. I used to wear thongs but now I wear boy shorts.
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post Oct 24 2006, 07:39 PM
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Hi girls. New and wanting to catch up. Hope this isn't too personal. Please answer only what you are comfortable with. Sara

1. age?
2. how long have you been battling BV?
3. married/ LT relationship or sexually active with more than 1 partner or not sexually active or other
4. main symptoms?.
5. rate odor on scale 1-10 1-being no smell at all 10- horrific
6. rate discharge 1-10 1- being normal vaginal discharge 10- extreme- .
7. what have you tried to get rid of BV? What has your partner tried?
8. what do you think originally caused your BV? (if you think you know)
9. what birth control are you using, if any?
10. how many drs. have you been to regarding this problem and you experiences?
11. thongs or regular panties?


My answers:
1. I'm 25
2. battling about 6 months
3. married for 1.5 years same partner for 5 years
4. not a bad smell just a really bad thin grayish discharge
5. odor 2- regular vaginal smell
6. discharge 7 or 8 wet . panties, annoying, always there, always thinking about it
7. I've been on metronidazol twice (1 wk and 2wks) currently husband and I are on cleocin. Also tried vaginal yogurt injections
8. don't know cause, maybe nuvaring?
9. been on nuvaring for 2.5 years, just took it out last night for good.
10. doctor, okay, but not super understanding. Feel weird about really telling him about my problems. Don't feel like he really would understand if I told him about yogurt or another natural cure I wanted to try.
10. thongs for last 10 years


QUOTE(jewelscando @ Oct 24 2006, 09:25 PM) *

Finally went and had the blood work done today. So hopefully I'll know something in the next few days. Rash is still bad on my arms. And slightly better on the forehead. B.V. is very strong, but I haven't gone back on the boric yet. Was waiting until after the blood work. Anyways, just wanted to keep my girls posted!!


Thinking of you. Hope its okay. Keep us posted.

Sara
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