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post May 22 2007, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 22 2007, 10:20 AM) *
I'm done with this board. I wasn't going to leave, but, it's not worth MY STRESS LEVEL ANYMORE. The CONDESENDING ATTITUDES, IS NOT WORTH MY TIME OR EFFORT. EVERYONE is so willing to to criticize solutions we have found, BUT HAVE NO SOLUTIONS THEMSELVES.



I would like to touch upon a point. I know that all of us here have developed BV for different reasons. I got mine from repetitive douching. But whatever the reason for having it, we are all extremely upset and stressed out. The body is designed to handle stress. That is fine. But stress that goes on and on and on, causes problems. Ulcers, nervous breakdown, heart attacks. Yes these are extreme examples. But in our position of compromised immune function, stressing is the one thing we should not be doing right now. Because it will just compound our problems. Hormones work in a cascading manner, one hormone is eventually converted into another, and so on. The adrenal glands take cholesterol, turn it into pregnenolone, then turn it into progesterone, cortisol, or DHEA, then turn it into progesterone, adrenalin or estrogen. I have a chart that I am looking at right now. (If I find one online, I will post it later.) And it seems pretty clear to me from looking at this chart that if the adrenals are working over-time always producing cortisol and adrenalin, then they certainly are going to have a hard time producing the estrogen and progesterone we need. This is bad. We all know that in order to remain healthy, we need the correct balance of hormones. If the process is constantly being interrupted with excessive stress, then a deficit will occur. We already know that some of us have BV from hormone issues. Many older women experience dryness because of drops in hormonal levels. But menopause is not the only reason for hormonal imbalance. Dieting, taking/stopping the birth control pill, pregnancy, hysterectomy, and stress will all effect your hormones levels as well. When progesterone and the estrogens drop, one of the side effects is dryness. Your skin becomes dryer and thinner. And the mucose membranes of your body become dryer and thinner as well. This is a bad thing for your intestines and your vagina, because the mucosa layer is supposed to provide a comfortable barrier between the millions of microorganisms and us. Both the vagina and the intestines have microorganisms in them which are either beneficial or pathogenic - regardless, they do not live right on your skin, and are not meant to be pushed into the skin. If the protective mucosa barrier isn't there, these microorganisms are more easily pushed into the skin, via sex, or constipation for example; causing all kinds of problems like Irritible Bowel Syndrome (IBS), Colitis, Bacterial Vaginosis, etc.

So the first thing everyone should do, is chill out.
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post May 22 2007, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(lori @ May 22 2007, 06:56 AM) *
Morphia[/b], you shouldn't use clindamycin if you have concerns about it. But stop telling people it's going to give them nerve damage, just because you "firmly believe" it.



Lori, don't tell me what I can and cannot say. I say my piece and others do not have to take it as gospel. They should merely take it into consideration. The other reason why I believe in it is because I have read about women that developed vulvodynia over the years due to using too many CREAMS to fight bv. I'm here to tell my experience and what I've researched. I did not say "I KNOW FOR SURE" I said I firmly believe. Stop picking everything apart, Lori. I do believe you can be a help to this board but you're just so damn arrogant. I want to get along with you, but you don't make it easy.

My question seems to have gotten lost in all the bullshit. So I'll ask again. Has anyone here used a Z-pack before? I can't remember if anyone here has or not. As I've said, I have read this entire thread but I can't remember everything. lol.
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post May 22 2007, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(lori @ May 22 2007, 08:45 AM) *
I know that a lot of drugs are discovered by accident and scientific advancement requires creative thinking. So I'm not discouraging that. But I feel like a lot of what you say is not grounded in reality and has a very "grasp at straws" quality to it which isn't very helpful.

(Also, I don't see any links in your post, so I can't read up on what you're talking about.)

How in the hell do you attach links? I haven't had the computer very long, so I don't know jack. Having a friend come over tonight to show me.

But maybe if you google it you can find it (if not I will attach the link after I learn how) Type in The V Book chapter 10 yeast infections (separating the truths from the popular beliefs).

Lori, what do you feel is not grounded? And yes, I may be grasping it straws....i think of it more as looking for a needle in the haystack.

I have done a lot of reading, maybe too much, but I don't plan on stopping...and anything that I can think of I will investigate.

Maybe your right, I will stop mentioning "out there" thoughts such as toilet paper harvesting bacteria. I mean that is just pure insanity since Morphia got a crazy ass skin infection from a towel.
And that many of us use it as "panty liners".
Why did the hospital make me use sterilized water and gauze to wipe with when I had no stiches?

I don't know, I didn't ask.

I don't want to scare everyone, but obviously, there is something compromised with our immune systems..and I think we should be very careful.

I am gonna write a letter to that doctor that is now conducting research of the BV epidemic. He is, I'm sure grasping at many straws.

I have his name chicken scratched someone in my notes. (he's not the dude selling shit, just interested in finding the cause, and well... getting the reward money too, I'm sure lol)


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post May 22 2007, 08:03 AM
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Well, the pills I take vaginally, are not horsepills. Mine are the size of an Exedrine Migraine pill.

I can say, with full 100% knowledge that the FLAGYL orally, won't work. IF YOU HAVE REOCCURING B.V. Why??? Can I say this?? ASK ANYONE ON HERE IF IT'S WORKED FOR THEM!!!! The answer is the same, over and over again. No, No, and again, No.

I'm not pushing using it Vaginally. Just like everything we try, it's use at your own risk, do your own research on it, and if it works for you, great, if not, then find what does.

I'm here to tell you what works for me. For over a year now, we've said the same thing over and over again. "WHAT WORKS FOR ME, MAY NOT WORK FOR YOU, AND VICE VERSA".

I'm done with this board. I wasn't going to leave, but, it's not worth MY STRESS LEVEL ANYMORE. The CONDESENDING ATTITUDES, IS NOT WORTH MY TIME OR EFFORT. EVERYONE is so willing to to criticize solutions we have found, BUT HAVE NO SOLUTIONS THEMSELVES.

I DON'T HAVE B.V. anymore. But I'm wrong here right?

AND NO, I DID NOT GET A YEAST INFECTION FROM HELL FROM USING THE FLAGYL VAGINALLY. If you READ...YOU WILL SEE WHY I DID. It's called, using the flagyl vaginally, then having sex, then using it again. Um...yeah, that caused a yeast infection. The other time, when I used it CORRECTLY, no yeast infection. Fucking read people, before you post your bullshit stuff, and if you don't HAVE TIME TO READ IT, or UNDERSTAND MY CONDITION, THEN DON'T FUCKING REPLY AS IF YOU KNOW ME, OR MY BODY.

GOODBYE.....SASSY, PIANOGIRL..IF YOU EVER WANT TO TALK, JUST SEND ME A P.M. I get email notifications on those. But I won't be posting on this board anymore. IT'S OUT OF CONTROL.

Good luck ladies. I really hope you find yourself a cure.
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post May 22 2007, 07:28 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ May 22 2007, 05:41 AM) *
Your damn right, I'm ideas are bit out there..I'm not denying that. But don't you think it's a bit out there that scientist developed a vaccine for polio from a monkey's liver or kidneys..can't remember. That to me is "out there" lol Science is "out there".

I know that a lot of drugs are discovered by accident and scientific advancement requires creative thinking. So I'm not discouraging that. But I feel like a lot of what you say is not grounded in reality and has a very "grasp at straws" quality to it which isn't very helpful.

I'm not saying that your contribution is not valuable - you suggested the possibility of a staph infection, which I think is very worth keeping in mind. You also said other things that made me think. So keep doing what you're doing - but just letting you know that you should stay focused on facts while you do it.

As far as yeast goes - as you know, everyone has some yeast in their system. It's when your immune system is compromised that the yeast overgrows and causes problems. (For example, AIDS patients suffer from yeast infections all over their body - mouth, anus, vagina, etc.) It's not clear to me that yeast alone is the cause for any disease - I don't think of it as harmless, but the sign of yeast overgrowth is usually a sign of an underlying problem.

So basically your theory is that you have an overgrowth of yeast caused by taking pharmaceuticals for a long time, which is killing the good bacteria in your system and somehow causing your BV. While the pharmaceuticals probably took its toll on your body, I don't really agree with your theory that yeast is the cause of your BV.

I'm not saying you shouldn't explore this, I just think that your perception might be a little off center. (Also, I don't see any links in your post, so I can't read up on what you're talking about.)


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post May 22 2007, 07:03 AM
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Hello ALL..

I noticed that when I increased my water intake and stopped drinking pop and other high sugar drinks it seemed to help my bv. Like, the smell was not as strong as it used to be. Has anyone else noticed this about water. We all know that water is very important and flushes out the system and maybe with some like in my case water can help with the bv smell. Just thought I throw that out there to you all....No, it is not an answer to the bv but it never hurts to flush out your system with water.


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post May 22 2007, 06:29 AM
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Okay, a new post. The board has definitely gone a little bit nuts today. But I don't think it's true that there is no hope and that there are no solutions - as a couple of people have said!

1. I think we have figured out what causes the infernal cycle of BV recurrences - that the antibiotics we take to get rid of it (all that flagyl we chomp down like candy) is killing the bad bacteria for the time being, but also killing some of the good bacteria - that why they sometimes give us yeast infections - and doing nothing to make the good bacteria go back up to healthy levels.

This creates the VICIOUS CYCLE. Flagyl ==> BV ==> Flagyl ==> BV.

So logic follows that we have to help get the good bacteria up in other ways.

Oral probiotic supplements are safe when used properly, and can only help. Make sure you take the right kind - it does make a difference. Read my blog for more detailed info, but this is a safe, good solution. It's the closest thing we've got to a long term solution.

I know we all want a magic pill to make BV disappear instantly, but probiotics do take some time to build up in your body, and as I said, it's very important to take the right kind, not just any acidophilus supplement. So my suggestion is to take them regularly, and give your body the chance to recover and heal.

So I think we need to focus on a healthy vagina, not just something to kill the smell.

2. The possibility was brought up (Thanks Morphia!) that it's possible that it's not BV some of us are dealing with - but it's a whole another type of infection. This means that we are taking the wrong pills.

So what infection is it? We don't really know. It could be strep (as arj75 mentioned), or even something else. I did some preliminary research on mycoplasma genitalium (which I posted in here before) and there are some discouraging things I learned - this bacteria is very hard to detect and culture, and no one knows for sure which antibiotic works best against it.

So it's still a mystery - but the fact that we *might* be dealing with something else certainly makes sense, and being aware of that possibility is a step in the right direction.

3. Not to sound all finger-waggy, but overall health is important, too. Some of you mentioned that you smoke and take drugs. Hey, I enjoy both, but I think it's also a no-brainer that neither of them are good for you. I don't need to cite scientific studies about why smoking is bad for you - you already know that. And I'm not going to tell people to stop smoking, because you already know that, too. Basically, there are always steps we can take to live more healthy, but me telling you that isn't going to happen. So you know what you need to do. Drink green tea, jog 5 miles a day, and eat more veggies. Whatever. We all know what we need to do make ourselves more healthy, so do it.

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So I wouldn't say this is a hopeless situation. It sometimes feels like that, but I think we all help each other deal with it. Reading this board does help me - even though it descends into madness once in a while - and we have all come up with a few good ideas.

So let's not all lose hope and start saying there are no solutions and that nothing will ever work.


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post May 22 2007, 06:24 AM
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Lori,

Your damn right, I'm ideas are bit out there..I'm not denying that. But don't you think it's a bit out there that scientist developed a vaccine for polio from a monkey's liver or kidneys..can't remember. That to me is "out there" lol Science is "out there".

You have said that you really didn't know much about yeast...I don't either, thats why I'm read about it for about 8 hours yesterday.

I would love to hear your feedback.

If you have time read this article..I'm sorry like I said, I have no computer skills. I'll try and figure out how to attach the link, if you are interested in reading it. I really found it interesting. I don't think it was a site selling stuff either..(could be wrong) I'll check later.

I am all over the place discussing everything I can possibly think of. I have to go back to school tommorow, and I will be very busy...

Anyways..here is that article...The V book chapter 10 yeast infections (separating the truths from the popular beliefs.

No doctor has done a yeast culture on me, (200 different strains) (that we know about)...they become just as resistant as bacteria. It bothers me that I have been on steriods and antibotics most of my life. (which breed yeast) Also, I thought it was very strange that ilovehim has had yeast infections since she was a baby. Yeast can be passed from the mother to the child. From what I have read about her past..she seems to have the worst case of this bv here.
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post May 22 2007, 06:01 AM
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QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 21 2007, 08:33 PM) *
K, check this out. Finally found something online that speaks of putting the Flagyl in vaginally. They call it Flagyl Vaginal Tablets

HERE'S THE WEBISTE

http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT...inal&cid=HT
For vaginal tablets dosage form:
For bacterial vaginosis or trichomoniasis:
Adults and teenagers—One 500-mg tablet, inserted high into the vagina. Use the medicine once a day in the evening for ten or twenty days.

*****I personally only use for 2 days. That's all I need.

Okay, once again - this site specifies that the "vaginal tablets" they are talking about is a vaginal suppository only available in Canada. Please do not take use this information to mean that you should take the regular horse pill that you swallow and stick it up your vagina.

QUOTE(anitsirhc @ May 21 2007, 04:55 PM) *
i had my gyno appointment today. it wasn't as bad as i thought it would be. she didn't have use a bunch of different swabs. i did find out that i have UTI though. what the hell?! so now i have bv and a UTI, greatttttt. she wanted to give me flagyl but i told her no. i'm on antibiotics for the UTI. i'm just a little worried though because i had no idea i had it, i have no symptoms. how am i going to tell if it went away? well now i am going to be drinking lots and lots and loottttss of water and peeing a lot haha. anyway so i started yeast arrest today i will be doing that and i'm going to buy the fem-dophilus. i'll keep everyone updated. i wonder what i'll have next time i go to the doctor :\
i'm 21 too! smile.gif

Hey anitsirhc. I'm glad your appointment wasn't too bad. So does this mean you won't be treated for the BV, just the UTI?

If flagyl makes you violently ill, you should take clindamycin. Did your PP-doctor/RN mention that? How did they suggest you deal with the BV? If reading 96 pages of this thread has taught me anything, it's that there is no OTC cure for BV. If BV has been confirmed by an exam, you should take antibiotics.

Did they have anything to say about the lower abdominal pain you've been feeling? Is that a symptom of the UTI? (Let's hope so.)

Either way, I highly recommend that you take the fem-dophilus especially while you're taking the Septra.


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post May 22 2007, 05:39 AM
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QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 21 2007, 09:13 PM) *
I didn't join this board for this shit throwing bullshit. I joined it for people like Sassy, pianogirl, neverending, sciongal and LORI.

Thanks Jewels. I appreciate you, too.

But I'd like to address a few things that were said today:

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QUOTE(arj75 @ May 21 2007, 07:48 PM) *
I don't think it's a good idea to keep sticking crap up your twat...yeast can grow at an acidic level of 2.5 through basic 7.5. Your gonna be shit out of luck when the bacteria and yeast become resistant to your short term solution. But that's just my opinion.

I agree with the underlined statement. I've stated my reservations about vaginal-flagyl before, but no one should be using any prescriptions drugs in ways that it's not designed for. It's dangerous! You would think the fact that you get a raging yeast infection from doing it just twice in a row would tell you that something is not right.

It's fine that you've chosen to do it - it's your body. But Jewels, don't be saying stuff like this:
QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 21 2007, 07:41 PM) *
If you have true, re-occuring B.V., I hate to be the barrier of bad news, but the Flagyl, orally, won't work. It will VERY temporarily, but you will get a yeast infection, and your B.V. will return.

Why are you telling people that oral-flagyl will not work? Are you a doctor? You've admitted yourself that sticking flagyl in your vagina is only a temporary solution too, and can cause yeast infections, and that there are risks!!!

QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 21 2007, 07:41 PM) *
So...The solutions are here girls, Flagyl Vaginally, Estroil, and maybe 1 or two others. All these other remedies you all are trying, are not going to work, IN THE LONG RUN. AND THAT'S JUST MY OPPINION!!!!

Yeah, it's just your opinion. But you still shouldn't make these sweeping statements about what will or won't work for others. Besides, the site that you cited as recommending vaginal-flagyl - keep in mind that when they say "vaginal tablet" they are talking about a suppository that is designed for vaginal use, and only available in Canada. They are not talking about tablets for oral use!

So please stop giving wrong information, and pushing methods that are potentionally dangerous. I think it's good to share your experience - but when you say stuff like this, you are pushing them on others and making false claims. Stop it.

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Arj75, I appreciate that you spoke out about Jewels and her pushing vaginal-flagyl - I already stated my reservations about it, but I have a real problem with her telling others that it's one of the only solutions for BV.

However, I think your discussions about BV is frankly ... a little bit out there. It's good to be sanitary and consider other theories, but you're all over the place.

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STAY AWAY FROM CLINDESSE AND OTHER CLINDAMYCIN CREAMS. I firmly believe they are too strong and may cause damage to some of the nerves.

Once again, everyone needs to stop making these hysterial, unsubstantiated statements! I've already said my piece on the CLINDAMYCIN hysteria, but I guess I need to repeat it.
  • ALL pharmaceutical drugs have a long list of contraindications of the small possibility of horrible shit that can happen - liver damage, kidney failure, jaundice, paralysis ... Did you know Flagyl gives cancer to lab mice! It's true, that's what the literature says. But I was afraid to mention it because I thought Morphia would have another conniption fit.
  • Not to mention, ALL antibiotics (and every drug, really) creates resistance with mis-use. This doesn't mean you should never use them, it just means that you shouldn't use it unless you know you have a bacterial infection. And you should use them properly - that's why every doctor tells you you need to take ALL your antibiotics! Taking only one or two here and there to relieve symptoms creates resistant strains of bacteria!!! ***This is another reason why you should not be sticking this into your vagina for one or two nights every few months as Jewelscando suggests!
The lesson is? This is why you need a doctor prescribing this stuff for you! So they can confirm the bacterial infection, and so they can evaluate your body/history to see if you're at risk for any of the side effects before prescribing it to you. I know some have advocated ordering stuff online without prescriptions, but I am strongly against that.

*whew*

So, to sum up:

- No, the solutions do NOT include - sticking an unprescribed flagyl tablet up your twat. No! Just ... NO. And Jewels, please don't tell people that an oral medication taken orally is not going to work for them! The fact that it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for others.

I know many of us have been screwed over by doctors so we don't trust them. I know we are all desperate and willing to try anything. But I don't think we all should resort to sticking anything and everything into our coochies and seeing what happens. The cure can be worse than the disease! If some of you want to, go right ahead, but do not tell others that they should do it, too -Because it's one of the only solutions? -Because nothing else will work? Stop that, seriously!

- Arj75, you're all over the place. IMHO, this deathly fear of yeast is a bit of a scam cooked up by holistic natural-cure crackpots wanting to sell you voodoo pills made of grass and rabbit-poo. Okay, I'm exaggerating - I'm actually very into homeopathic solutions. But I think you're grasping at every piece of research you encounter and making it into something it's not. Healthy skepticism is a good thing.

And telling Morphia that clindamycin is "made by the devil" (that was you, right?) Yeah, you've exaggerated a little too much. Look at the monster you've created.

- Morphia, you shouldn't use clindamycin if you have concerns about it. But stop telling people it's going to give them nerve damage, just because you "firmly believe" it.

Okay, I'm done with the rant. Stop the madness, please.


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post May 22 2007, 05:08 AM
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jennifer: You are trying the botanical advantage pills now? I tried those but they didn't help at all. I know several other girls tried those a while back, including Jewels (I think), and maybe only one girl saw any help but it wasn't much.

Oh, and I'm young too--only 22!
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post May 22 2007, 04:47 AM
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QUOTE(jewelscando @ May 22 2007, 01:23 AM) *
ARJ75, you must have me confused with someone else, because you've said several things tonight, that do not apply to me. #1, I don't have yeast. #2, I don't complain, I've had nothing to complain about!!!!! I backed Lori awhile back because we felt Morphia wasn't wanting to listen, but that's over now. AND LASTLY, #3. DIDN'T FLAGYL ORALLY MAKE ME SICK AS A DOG?? What??? Quote me on that, please!!!! BECAUSE, those words NEVER came off my fingertips. NO, FLAGYL orally never made me sick. IT NEVER WORKED!!!!!!!! It's only worked vaginally. And, trust me, I'm more worried about building a resistance ORALLY, then I am vaginally. PERIOD THE END. I'm done with this conversation. So, go ahead, you can have the last word.


I'm not here to get the last word in. I'm here to learn about this condition, and different treatment options that we all have tried. And the damn cause MOST IMPORTANTLY. As for the cat fights that keep happening...I already had myself prepared for them. Why? We are all pissed that this have screwed up our lifes, and many (like myself) are still trying to learn of how to cope. It's impossible to get this many ticked off women at one place without conflict.

Geeze, I'm sorry that I am trying to be helpful, and don't have a photogenic memory and recall of your problems with the past meds you have tried..and had no success.

I am here because I care, and care deeply.
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post May 22 2007, 12:46 AM
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Well, on a more positive note...I can't believe it but after taking one Flagyl my burning...has stopped. Before, the only way I could get relief was by laying in bed on my back with no undies on and my knees up to my chest! Needless to say, I was trying to get as much air in there as possible. haha. It helped the burning a lot though. Maybe we should all start douching with air! LOL! The good guys need their oxygen, right? wink.gif I know, I know. That's dangerous. I was only kidding. Also, my strange odor of strong vagina, old blood and iodine has decreased significantly. Its definitely a quick fix. But a long term one? For me? We'll soon find out.
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post May 22 2007, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ May 22 2007, 04:37 AM) *
I am grateful for every member here. Did I call jewels any names because I'm not recalling that I did, it's not my style. Jewels, whatever your feelings are towards me keep them, I really don't care. I'm not leaving this site, unless when I go to the doctor this next time and find out its yeast that keeps killing all my good bacterias. Maybe I will be lucky enough for that to happen..seeing that I have been on steriods my whole life and it has been proven that it causes yeast infections, not to mention, that I have been on many antibotics my whole life and I'm resistant to pretty much every antibotic invented so far. As we all know, they cause yeast infections too. Read that article that I mentioned to ilovehim, I think that you will find it interesting. I have bv too. I smell like fucking long john silvers. What alarms me is that we are gonna get some scary ass disease that could kill us in a nanu second if we already have a resistance to antibotics. I had to go through 3 fucking rounds of antibotics for a pinkeye infection I got. I'm noting my concerns, and I feel like you are the one getting nasty. Didn't taking the flagyl orally make you sick as a dog? Don't the two metrogel and flagyl have the same chemical properties?


ARJ75, you must have me confused with someone else, because you've said several things tonight, that do not apply to me. #1, I don't have yeast. #2, I don't complain, I've had nothing to complain about!!!!! I backed Lori awhile back because we felt Morphia wasn't wanting to listen, but that's over now. AND LASTLY, #3. DIDN'T FLAGYL ORALLY MAKE ME SICK AS A DOG?? What??? Quote me on that, please!!!! BECAUSE, those words NEVER came off my fingertips. NO, FLAGYL orally never made me sick. IT NEVER WORKED!!!!!!!! It's only worked vaginally. And, trust me, I'm more worried about building a resistance ORALLY, then I am vaginally. PERIOD THE END. I'm done with this conversation. So, go ahead, you can have the last word.
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post May 21 2007, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(jenniferg @ May 21 2007, 11:48 PM) *
Well I am going to try them after I give this herbal stuff some time to see if it works. I will let you know the results.



Thanks, Jennifer. I'll keep you updated on myself as well!


Has anyone here ever tried a Zpack for BV? I've read about 3 different girls so far that say this cured them.
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QUOTE(Morphia @ May 21 2007, 08:29 PM) *
I have yet to stick anything unprescribed up my vagina yet. Then again, I haven't been fighting this very long. I've had it for a long time, but didn't know to fight it in the beginning. I think that if I find out that antibiotics really aren't going to work for me, then I might go that route....


Well I am going to try them after I give this herbal stuff some time to see if it works. I will let you know the results.
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QUOTE(sciongal @ May 21 2007, 11:00 PM) *
Please accept my apologies for what I am about to say, but I for one am really grateful for Jewels and her posting on this site. She has agreed to be somewhat of a guinea pig with the vaginal flagyl, and just offers her opinions and experiences for the rest of us to have something to go on. All of this infighting and name calling reminds me of some high school BS... Jewels, please don't give up on this site and those of us who want to hear what you have to say. Peace (and I mean that sincerely).


I am grateful for every member here. Did I call jewels any names because I'm not recalling that I did, it's not my style. Jewels, whatever your feelings are towards me keep them, I really don't care. I'm not leaving this site, unless when I go to the doctor this next time and find out its yeast that keeps killing all my good bacterias. Maybe I will be lucky enough for that to happen..seeing that I have been on steriods my whole life and it has been proven that it causes yeast infections, not to mention, that I have been on many antibotics my whole life and I'm resistant to pretty much every antibotic invented so far. As we all know, they cause yeast infections too. Read that article that I mentioned to ilovehim, I think that you will find it interesting. I have bv too. I smell like fucking long john silvers. What alarms me is that we are gonna get some scary ass disease that could kill us in a nanu second if we already have a resistance to antibotics. I had to go through 3 fucking rounds of antibotics for a pinkeye infection I got. I'm noting my concerns, and I feel like you are the one getting nasty. Didn't taking the flagyl orally make you sick as a dog? Don't the two metrogel and flagyl have the same chemical properties?
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post May 21 2007, 10:12 PM
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I have that elmer glue-like discharge too sometimes and it does cling to the vaginal walls like you say. The only other reason I thought that I could be getting the bv was that it didn't start until I started dating my current boyfriend in 2005. I was on birth control with my last boyfriend and never used condoms except when I would get off the bc for a while. It seemed like I would always get a yeast infection when we used the condoms. With my current bf, we have always used condoms and I have had bv non-stop. I switched to non-latex condoms thinking maybe I am allergic to latex...but so far I am still getting the bv. Have you ever tried the tea tree oil suppositories? I have read alot about them and want to try it.



I have yet to stick anything unprescribed up my vagina yet. Then again, I haven't been fighting this very long. I've had it for a long time, but didn't know to fight it in the beginning. I think that if I find out that antibiotics really aren't going to work for me, then I might go that route....
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post May 21 2007, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE(Morphia @ May 21 2007, 08:19 PM) *
Luckily I have no side effects from the flagyl except for one. Depression. Its not documented but I found a board with hundreds of patient reviews on Flagyl and a lot of people were claiming that they got very depressed on it. I even found a couple of articles that said depression could be a side effect. I had been wondering why I was getting so damn depressed when I was nearing the end of my 7 day course. I can only imagine what this 14 day might do to me. huh.gif


That sounds just like me...I was wondering why whenever I take it I start getting really depressed. It must be the Flagyl.
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post May 21 2007, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE(Morphia @ May 21 2007, 08:11 PM) *
When I was first diagnosed with bv the only other symptom I had was a thick, white, pasty discharge that looked like Elmer's glue. I couldn't see it unless I looked as far up in my vagina as I could see. I actually had to work it out by flexing! It clung to the walls like glue! lol. I was put on Clindesse as a first round of treatment and I haven't had that discharge since. But it didn't eradicate the infection and my burning has been worse ever since. STAY AWAY FROM CLINDESSE AND OTHER CLINDAMYCIN CREAMS. I firmly believe they are too strong and may cause damage to some of the nerves. The first night I had the Clindesse in, I could feel little stabs of pain like needles with electricity going through them. Before I was diagnosed with BV and before I used the Clindesse I would get very raw and irritated on my vulva during sex. It would hurt like hell to pee and I actually had some tearing of the skin. But 5 days after I used the Clindesse I tried to have sex with my bf and I was burning so bad on the inside it felt like he had cotton wrapped around his penis. Everyone here thought it was yeast, but I tested negative for yeast and positive for bv. I don't get it. The Clindesse helped with the discharge but made my pain worse.

As of today my symptoms are burning, a very mild discharge, and a faint odor that's not fishy. My bf just describes it as "not right." Although since I had my colpo on the 18th I have a very strong odor of vagina and iodine. That's the only way I can really describe it. lol. I can smell it just sitting here. sad.gif


I have that elmer glue-like discharge too sometimes and it does cling to the vaginal walls like you say. The only other reason I thought that I could be getting the bv was that it didn't start until I started dating my current boyfriend in 2005. I was on birth control with my last boyfriend and never used condoms except when I would get off the bc for a while. It seemed like I would always get a yeast infection when we used the condoms. With my current bf, we have always used condoms and I have had bv non-stop. I switched to non-latex condoms thinking maybe I am allergic to latex...but so far I am still getting the bv. Have you ever tried the tea tree oil suppositories? I have read alot about them and want to try it.
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