[arj75]

lately i have been thinking I have IBS because i have symptoms like

constipation
bloating pain cramps
joint aches
thinning hair and loosing hair
weight loss 10 lbs
brain fog- i feel like im trapped out of the part of my brain that lets me focus.
continues rumbles in my abs.
gas
dont have BMS regular anymore.
when i started to read about SIBO- the symptoms started to click and im thinking i have this. Its too bad i have to live with it until i get enough money to go to the doctor, or buy insurance.

Italianwife88- The article listed some things that can help with this...a nutritionist Ann Louise Gittleman, advsed to take 3 capsules of (her favorite.Dr. Ohhira's 12 Plus Probiotic Formula $32 dollars for 60 caps

Peppermint water - keeps unfriendly gut mircrobes undercontrol, relaxes muscles, If your bloated she sugguested add 1 to 2 teaspoons of peppermint oil (3 times a day)

Garlic allicin is an antimicrobial ( fights infection) + quercetin (anti-inflammatory) that relieves aches.

I also read in some article.not this one ( to drop the cloves in boiling water for a few seconds, because garlic commonly has some sort of fungus...don't remember what...it's supposed to kill it.

eat 2 raw cloves daily for two weeks then twice a week thereafter.

I think weight gain was a common side effect with this SIBO...

[jewelscando]

Ok....I think we've all had our moment with the b.s. Let's get on with B.V. We are here to help each other guys. And this is getting out of control.... AND I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT I AM ONE OF THEM!! Lori has meant well guys...she really did. I think we all need to take a step back, and realize we were all to blame...It's like everything in life...we want people to see things our way..and that's not always possible. Lori is who she is...strong...agressive...and a no-nonsense kind of a lady....let's ALL, stop faulting her for that...

So...LET'S MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[arj75]

Arj75, no one cares about your big bag of bullshit, and no one ever did. You seem to conveniently forget that your original fight was with Jewels, who told you to shut up about your drug use and yeast obsessions. I stepped in and dialogued with you because I thought she was rude and I felt bad for you. In fact, I'm the only one who ever paid any attention to your crazy ravings. (I gave you the benefit of the doubt, it was my mistake.)

So don't blame me because no one is listening to your paranoid ravings about foreign bananas, and no one ever will.

(Lori's comment above)


[/i]Lori, I have never forgotten about my fight with Jewels, and I also apologized to her as well.


What bothers me Lori, with you is do act like you know it all. None of us here, know it all. Nor do even the doctors. Secondly, I don't care if anyone believes me, I would much rather be wrong that right on what I had to say. You are free to have your opinions, as I am to mine.

There was a reason I brought up drug use in here. I listed all the effects the crap has on our ovaries. But awhile back..I'm asking?..Didn't you say that we shouldn't mention this, who cares..blah blah and didn't you say at one time....who cares about what we eat. That is the biggest lie that has ever been posted here. Nutrition is not important? I showed everyone of how quickly vitamins are lost in our body when coping daily with stress overloads. But I guess that's "out there too" My Grandma thought I had cancer because I was bruising so easily..turns out the vitamin C (lack of) was to blame.

If you think I'm some crazy bitch that lives in her closet because of my many phobia's (that I am only joking about a lot of the time) your wrong. I do have concerns. What I was trying to say Lori, is banana's are dangerous to eat past a certain ripeness. (research has shown strange reactions in the body from them). But I guess, you don't have to worry about having enough money to buy food, and always having to salvage what you can. In then in the long run..it can make you sick.
The latest post I showed (about SIBS)...is caused from processed foods. Which many in here eat I'm sure, but I'm sure that "out there" too.

You also don't have to resort to alternative medicine, because you have insurance. Get a drug book Lori, see how many medicines really still are made from natural sources. It's not such a bad thing.

Why do I hate Planned Parenthood? I called to have a pap smear, do you know that unless you claim you want one because you want birthcontrol, you don't get it. That's what they told me. What kind of bullshit is that?

As far as my yeast theory, did you not see the woman's blog that went to Europe, she and her mate was treated both for bv, and yeast...and wow, Bv was gone for two months. But I guess it's still crazy to think such a thing huh? No research has been done, so maybe I'm wrong, maybe you are.

You told someone here not to use baking soda..(which I agree) I wouldn't use it. But, it is still not known for sure if the ph is the cause for the imbalance in the first place. It's only thought to be. That nurse I talked to at the doctor that worked at planned parenthood, who has BV...used baking soda and epsom salt at times. I didn't post it, because it worried me.

I'm not here to argue with you Lori, or too be insulted.

Take a microbiology class, and see if you don't give many things a second consideration. Or have a friend that his job was testing people's water sources, and hear what he has to say.

[neverending]

I figured she would do that..we didn't need a "Nurse Ratchett" around here anyways. Has anyone seen the movie "the one who flew over the coo coo nest" with Jack Nickleson"....it's an old movie..but the nurse would remind you of her.

I read an article in a women's magazine yesterday..and since IBS has been brought up in here, I wanted to tell you about this article....

It might not be "IBS" lol There is another condition called SIBO. it is treated with rifaximin. A simple breath test detects this bacteria. This poor girl suffered from it for over a year before it was correctly diagnosed.

Here's the list of symtoms for (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth SIBO) anyone who thinks they have IBS...maybe it is maybe it isn't...

abdominal bloat/pain/cramps
chronic constipation/regular diarrhea
digestive sensitivities to foods that caused no problems before
muscle and joint aches
brain fog/trouble concentrating
blue mood
lowered immunity/catching every cold and flu
thinning hair/brittle nails/ excessively dry or oily skin

says that 20 million est. 20 million women have this syndrome..it is on the rise due to higher consumption of processed foods and antacids....

The article was in a women's magazine called "First" July 30, 2007

I read up on this. How did you come across this Info? Very interesting! I found something very interesting that every woman here should read.

go to:
http://www.greenjournal.org/cgi/reprint/106/5/1013.pdf

Go to pg: 7 and start on the upper right hand corner. Do you see where it talks about firmicutes? Firmicutes is also responsible for obesity, IBS, and other things as well. Top of pg. 9
I didn't get a chance to read the whole thing yet, but I will do so tomorrow.

Also read:http://www.catalysisusa.net/word/clinical_report_Uzbekistan.doc

How many people on this board are overweight or slightly overweight?

[neverending]

Yes, I deleted my blog. How is that childish? You and Christina told me to go away. That no one likes me, and I'm very unhelpful. In fact, you both told me I haven't helped a single person in here.

So I'm just doing what you told me to do. Why do you have a problem with that? Do you really expect anyone to stick around after all your abuse?

But you're right about one thing. "All you had to do was look at [my] character." Character defines all of us. And your character is that of a LIAR. You are such a liar that you even lie about a dictionary definition. That is YOUR character.
That is "chachaheels" who still posts in the Lounge. That is NOT me, I've proved it, and you know it. This is libel/slander. You need to stop saying this.
Arj75, no one cares about your big bag of bullshit, and no one ever did. You seem to conveniently forget that your original fight was with Jewels, who told you to shut up about your drug use and yeast obsessions. I stepped in and dialogued with you because I thought she was rude and I felt bad for you. In fact, I'm the only one who ever paid any attention to your crazy ravings. (I gave you the benefit of the doubt, it was my mistake.)

So don't blame me because no one is listening to your paranoid ravings about foreign bananas, and no one ever will.

--

My blog was a list of things I learned about BV, and posting it was my attempt to help others suffering from BV. That was ALL I tried to do in here.

I tried very hard to NOT fight with anyone in here. When a fight became nasty I ALWAYS walked away first. When others baited me, I frequently ignored them. These are facts. My posting history is still here, you can verify it. I was not here to fight.

However, I tried to speak out against suggestions which I thought were harmful, and I defended myself against lies, and vulgar, uncivilized insults. And basically, I realized that I don't have time for this part. Some people in here don't care about information, or other people's health, they only care if people think they're right. I don't have time for that kind of bullshit.

So, I leave you to Hulda Clark, The Zapper, vaginal-flagyl and Dr. Helen. Hope the crackpots and cuckoos serve you well.

VERY SAD! THESE ARE THE THINGS CHILDREN DO! As soon as people became bothered by your harsh criticism and began to fight back, you run off and delete your blog knowing the info is needed here. Even if you didn't want us(me, jewels, arj75 and several others here) to use your blog, you should have thought about all the newcomers that will be coming. Again lori, these are the things children do.Do us all a favor and grow up!

[jewelscando]

Well Lori, I unblocked ya so I could see what you had to say this time...

You are right on so many different levels, but, wrong as well. I'm sorry for any hurtfull or slander you felt I threw your way. I think most of the problems with alot of us here is, everytime we came up with something, you shot it down in a condenscending manner. I don't think you meant it like that, but unfortunately, you can't read peoples TONE in typing...well, I guess sometimes you can..but I think that's where we all got confused.

Again, I apologize for the stupidness. I hope you re-consider putting your blog back up. My sister in law confided in me one day that she's going through B.V. and I recommend your blog to her. ABOVE EVERYTHING, that was awesome what you did.

Please don't respond with hatred. I'm not here to fight with you or anyone else. I just wanted to let you know I apologize...and sorry things got so out of control. I, just like you, stayed away for a bit, and it helped me see that I personally was getting so wrapped up in trying to make people see my way. And you can't do that in here. We are all so different, with different things going on in our lifes.

Hope everything works out for you, and again, please re-consider putting your blog back up. I know you spent alot of time on it, and it WAS very helpfull.

[lori]

Lori deleted her blog? Very childish! I knew that would happen. All you had to do was look at her character.

Yes, I deleted my blog. How is that childish? You and Christina told me to go away. That no one likes me, and I'm very unhelpful. In fact, you both told me I haven't helped a single person in here.

So I'm just doing what you told me to do. Why do you have a problem with that? Do you really expect anyone to stick around after all your abuse?

But you're right about one thing. "All you had to do was look at [my] character." Character defines all of us. And your character is that of a LIAR. You are such a liar that you even lie about a dictionary definition. That is YOUR character.

I noticed she (Lori) wasn't posting...BUT...DID YOU ALL NOTICE that once I mentioned she was PROBABLY the same lady from last year (the Holistic lady) THAT IS WHEN SHE FINALLY STOPPED POSTING....HMMMMMMMMM

Oh well.....less stress for all of us...To bad she deleted her blog though. That took alot of time I'm sure, and IT WAS HELPFULL.

That is "chachaheels" who still posts in the Lounge. That is NOT me, I've proved it, and you know it. This is libel/slander. You need to stop saying this.

I figured she would do that..we didn't need a "Nurse Ratchett" around here anyways. Has anyone seen the movie "the one who flew over the coo coo nest" with Jack Nickleson"....it's an old movie..but the nurse would remind you of her.

Arj75, no one cares about your big bag of bullshit, and no one ever did. You seem to conveniently forget that your original fight was with Jewels, who told you to shut up about your drug use and yeast obsessions. I stepped in and dialogued with you because I thought she was rude and I felt bad for you. In fact, I'm the only one who ever paid any attention to your crazy ravings. (I gave you the benefit of the doubt, it was my mistake.)

So don't blame me because no one is listening to your paranoid ravings about foreign bananas, and no one ever will.

--

My blog was a list of things I learned about BV, and posting it was my attempt to help others suffering from BV. That was ALL I tried to do in here.

I tried very hard to NOT fight with anyone in here. When a fight became nasty I ALWAYS walked away first. When others baited me, I frequently ignored them. These are facts. My posting history is still here, you can verify it. I was not here to fight.

However, I tried to speak out against suggestions which I thought were harmful, and I defended myself against lies, and vulgar, uncivilized insults. And basically, I realized that I don't have time for this part. Some people in here don't care about information, or other people's health, they only care if people think they're right. I don't have time for that kind of bullshit.

So, I leave you to Hulda Clark, The Zapper, vaginal-flagyl and Dr. Helen. Hope the crackpots and cuckoos serve you well.

[neverending]

Lori deleted her blog? Very childish! I knew that would happen. All you had to do was look at her character.

[jewelscando]

I noticed she (Lori) wasn't posting...BUT...DID YOU ALL NOTICE that once I mentioned she was PROBABLY the same lady from last year (the Holistic lady) THAT IS WHEN SHE FINALLY STOPPED POSTING....HMMMMMMMMM

Oh well.....less stress for all of us...To bad she deleted her blog though. That took alot of time I'm sure, and IT WAS HELPFULL.

Everything's going good here for me. Still SMELLLESS...from using the Flagyl vaginally, AND, STOPPED having Sex with my ex boyfriend. I have a new one now...and we've hand sex atleast 15 -20 times in the past few months, and NOT EVEN A HINT OF SMELL has come back. Ex was a cheater. I had B.V. the ENTIRE 5yrs we were together. So...what fixed me?? Flagyl vaginally, or switching boyfriends?? Not sure...but...all I can say...is THANK YOU to whover mentioned BOTH!!! HAHAHAHA!!

[Italianwife88]

I figured she would do that..we didn't need a "Nurse Ratchett" around here anyways. Has anyone seen the movie "the one who flew over the coo coo nest" with Jack Nickleson"....it's an old movie..but the nurse would remind you of her.

I read an article in a women's magazine yesterday..and since IBS has been brought up in here, I wanted to tell you about this article....

It might not be "IBS" lol There is another condition called SIBO. it is treated with rifaximin. A simple breath test detects this bacteria. This poor girl suffered from it for over a year before it was correctly diagnosed.

Here's the list of symtoms for (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth SIBO) anyone who thinks they have IBS...maybe it is maybe it isn't...

abdominal bloat/pain/cramps
chronic constipation/regular diarrhea
digestive sensitivities to foods that caused no problems before
muscle and joint aches
brain fog/trouble concentrating
blue mood
lowered immunity/catching every cold and flu
thinning hair/brittle nails/ excessively dry or oily skin

says that 20 million est. 20 million women have this syndrome..it is on the rise due to higher consumption of processed foods and antacids....

The article was in a women's magazine called "First" July 30, 2007

lately i have been thinking I have IBS because i have symptoms like

constipation
bloating pain cramps
joint aches
thinning hair and loosing hair
weight loss 10 lbs
brain fog- i feel like im trapped out of the part of my brain that lets me focus.
continues rumbles in my abs.
gas
dont have BMS regular anymore.


when i started to read about SIBO- the symptoms started to click and im thinking i have this. Its too bad i have to live with it until i get enough money to go to the doctor, or buy insurance.

[arj75]

lori hasn't posted and deleted her blog... did anyone notice?

I figured she would do that..we didn't need a "Nurse Ratchett" around here anyways. Has anyone seen the movie "the one who flew over the coo coo nest" with Jack Nickleson"....it's an old movie..but the nurse would remind you of her.

I read an article in a women's magazine yesterday..and since IBS has been brought up in here, I wanted to tell you about this article....

It might not be "IBS" lol There is another condition called SIBO. it is treated with rifaximin. A simple breath test detects this bacteria. This poor girl suffered from it for over a year before it was correctly diagnosed.

Here's the list of symtoms for (small intestinal bacterial overgrowth SIBO) anyone who thinks they have IBS...maybe it is maybe it isn't...

abdominal bloat/pain/cramps
chronic constipation/regular diarrhea
digestive sensitivities to foods that caused no problems before
muscle and joint aches
brain fog/trouble concentrating
blue mood
lowered immunity/catching every cold and flu
thinning hair/brittle nails/ excessively dry or oily skin

says that 20 million est. 20 million women have this syndrome..it is on the rise due to higher consumption of processed foods and antacids....

The article was in a women's magazine called "First" July 30, 2007

[anitsirhc]

lori hasn't posted and deleted her blog... did anyone notice?

[arj75]

Ok, one more question...does anyone know what ethnic groups are at a higher risk to development breast cancer? One of the treatments for breast cancer is hormone therapy. I'm not sure if it is done because the chemo or radiation treatments throw the hormones out of whack or, doctors feel it was the cause in the first place.

Does anyone think this too? This BV epidemic....might be caused from the growth hormones animals are being pumped up with? Or, at least, one of the causes?

Also, I'm gonna follow my own advice, to keep myself from getting discouraged.....yes, my son is one year old....but I nursed him for 8 months...my hormones...there is no way they have had a chance to get back into check....(It's been only four months since I have quit nursing.

I found a product at the drug store...it's vitamins called "mothers blend"....it supports postpartum balance, claims it helps with PMS, it also has St. John's Wort, Flaxseed, vitamin C, E, Green tea and Selenium.

[arj75]

I did my second acupuncture treatment today and all I can say is that I am soooooo sleepy. Geez, I didn't know it makes you feel like this. As far as hormones, I have no clue where they are right now.I have an appointment on the 23rd so I should have tests done then. Has anyone else tried Acupuncture before?

I have never tried it...Does it hurt? Of the many phobias I do have.needles are not one of them.lol Is that what they use? I don't know jack about it. I found something that knocks my ass out so I can sleep though ....allergy meds..of all things.lol. Four nights in a row (two and a half year record) I already feel like a new women.

Keep us updated..Is it expensive?

I think one of our cheapest products that we all need to focus on is stress management. i have no skills..they consisted of chain smoking marlboro lights, drinking, and listening to the relaxing mello music of old school such as Metallica or Rage against the machine..it isn't helping. It does however, make me pissed off so I'm gonna jam to that on the drive to see Dr. Dorroco. Cinderflower, made an excellent point to me...I'm not doctor hopping, I'm doctor shopping. I haven't taken the meds he prescribed to me...I really want to fuck with him bad! lol Oh, if I do have cervical cancer, this dumbass will not be the doctor who treats me, and I can't wait to tell him that either. I think I'm ok though, there was only a few questionable areas..probably still healing from the hydrogen perioxide overkill. i think that's what he sees. I'm still not stinking, and no discharge, or itch. I am gonna ask him to see my records, I really am curious if he followed all the steps to make his diagnosis for bv. I doubt it.

This soy bean, soy oil, soy supplement thing...really has me puzzled. We have infant formula..made from soy(some). What does the baby girls body do with a fake estrogen it is not ready to use yet? Is it just a radical in her body that floats around until who knows when? Or does the body have a way of getting rid of it? Is this really safe to use? Why would we want this? Maybe for Asian woman..it is ok..and doesn't cause any problems..but for other nationalities..it does..I kind of look at it this way..Koloa bears (yeah i can't spell it) don't eat maple tree leaves, nor could they survive from it. Each species is designed a certain way for a reason...

I am also curious, if the over the counter products marketed for women dealing with menapause..if these products actually give any relief..they all are made from soy....



So anyone who has some good ideas for stress management..List them...it's the cheapest product we can buy..who knows it might work... (certainly a benefit regardless.)

[neverending]

I did my second acupuncture treatment today and all I can say is that I am soooooo sleepy. Geez, I didn't know it makes you feel like this. As far as hormones, I have no clue where they are right now.I have an appointment on the 23rd so I should have tests done then. Has anyone else tried Acupuncture before?

[CanCan]

so we all know that recurrent bv could be caused by screwed up hormones...CANCAN recently found out that she had hypothriodism. I'm very sorry about that too! But I'm sure that you are, CANCAN already aware that hypothyriodism effects your sex hormones too! So hopefully, things will get balanced out for you soon. Did they tell you yet as to how long it will take for the medications to kick in? Can you take these meds while pregnant?

Thanks arj75 for all the info. I don't smoke, don't drink, don't eat bad food. My main flaw is that I stress out easily. So my conclusion is that this problem is caused by stress. It is at least exacerbated by stress. I know this, because everytime I feel stressed the BV comes back, or gets worse. And yes, I have hypothyroidism, but as you said, hypothyroidism can be caused by stress as well. So what came first the chicken or the egg? Looks like I will be doing addition testing like Free T3 and Free T4, just to try to see what kind of hypothyroid I have.

[CanCan]

so we all know that recurrent bv could be caused by screwed up hormones...CANCAN recently found out that she had hypothriodism. I'm very sorry about that too! But I'm sure that you are, CANCAN already aware that hypothyriodism effects your sex hormones too! So hopefully, things will get balanced out for you soon. Did they tell you yet as to how long it will take for the medications to kick in? Can you take these meds while pregnant?

If I get pregnant, the doctor told me that I will have to take progesterone needles for the duration of the pregnancy, to keep levels elevated high enough. And for the thyroid, she told me that she only wants to give me medication for that once I get pregnant. But she also told me that she didn't understand my levels, and that she wants to test me for my thyroid again, just to double check.

But now that she did these preliminary tests on me, I am thinking that I should go to a specialist. A reproductive endocrinologist to find out more.

[arj75]

I just saw a new doctor today and she said that I probably have something called Desquamative Inflammatory Vaginitis (DIV). She took cultures just to make sure that there is nothing more specific going on. I'll find out about the results in a week or more. If it is DIV she intends to treat it with.....CLINDAMYCIN cream and estrogen cream for a couple of WEEKS. Yes, I'm scared. But I'm going to do it anyway. Its simply due to the fact that this doctor told me something I'd never heard of that I have confidence in her. I'm sure if I told my other doctors about this they wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about. Here is a google search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf...amp;btnG=Search

I hope that is your cure Morphia!

Thanks Neverending for that link..never heard of him...no surprise as to why. I believe it.

Happy fourth of July to all! Be safe! And may the smell of sulfur(or whatever that firework smell is lol) overpower our stinch!

[Morphia]

I just saw a new doctor today and she said that I probably have something called Desquamative Inflammatory Vaginitis (DIV). She took cultures just to make sure that there is nothing more specific going on. I'll find out about the results in a week or more. If it is DIV she intends to treat it with.....CLINDAMYCIN cream and estrogen cream for a couple of WEEKS. Yes, I'm scared. But I'm going to do it anyway. Its simply due to the fact that this doctor told me something I'd never heard of that I have confidence in her. I'm sure if I told my other doctors about this they wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about. Here is a google search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf...amp;btnG=Search

[neverending]

Constant stress suppresses ovarian cycles and decreases estradiol, testosterone, progesterone and DHEA production.

A stress-induced decrease in estradiol then contributes to an imbalance in norepinephrine, serotonin, dopamine, acetylcholine, and other brain body messengers that regulate pain pathways, sleep, muscle repair, appetite, metabolism, memory, mood, energy, sex drive, and other functions.

Prolonged stress of any kind (illness, emotional) disrupts the body's balance, or homeostasis, and causes symtoms related to the constant overactivity of the fight or flight stress response pathways- headaches, muscle spasms, fatigue, fuzzy thinking, high blood pressure, IBS, colitis, angina,eczema,frequent infections, irregular periods, acne, weight gain,allergies, hives, herpes, outbreaks, anxious/panicky feelings, insomnia, depression, angry/irritable moods, heart disease, and cancer.

prolonged stress can lead to suppression of the ovaries.

Viruses, bacteria, and carcinogens alone do not cause illness in every exposed individual.

This is where my "out there" yeast theory stills fits in. Stress dumps lactic acid..which breeds yeast. I believe it is cause of disease because why? It's mainly christian scientists begging for this to be recognized.
Researchers are afraid they might be right.

Of course they are afraid! The medical profession makes millions off of us. Since you are reading this, you might want to read about Hulda Clark and Dr. Royal Rife. Hulda Clark is classified as a quack but her theories are becoming reality. Dr. Royal Rife found the cure for cancer and other things as well.