[flatgurl]

So just when I was starting to feel a little bit better about myself, i youtubed this song i really like and this is what i got:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb0KowdtK6Y

ugh things like this make me hate my body so much, is this really what people want/expect?? but I will say that one of the interesting things is that if you read some of the comments a lot of people think the video is bad, but who knows that could just be girls saying that..

[bob4both]

I've posted here before, but I'd like to repeat my previous posting and mention that there are many men who find small breasted woman extremely sexy, myself being one of them. It's a confidence issue; you're confidence in your body is what makes you sexy. Keep your head up & an extra button undone...now that's sexy!

[strongirl]

Small-breasted hottie alert: check out Michelle Pfieffer on the cover of InStyle magazine. Who sez flat ain't sexy?

[karategrrl]

p.s. ladies im about to go out with my bf to run a quick errand and i just threw the inserts out of my bra...to hell with it once in awhile!

That's it! You go, girl.

[flatgurl]

p.s. ladies im about to go out with my bf to run a quick errand and i just threw the inserts out of my bra...to hell with it once in awhile!

[flatgurl]

Wow thanks girls, you are all so wonderful, I feel like I've finally found a place where people understand me. Hahahah Karategrrl I LOVE that story, that is awesome! I wish I had the balls to try that sometime! Angie your post was amazing and it did help put a lot of things in perspective, thank you so much. Strongirl that is really interesting, see I have always had a problem with porn. Just overall feeling inadequate and everything because of it. But there was this once time where I was with my bf to see some movie, and the chick in the movie was totally naked in one scene and she had really small breasts- which surprised me! And in a situation where I would normally feel upset/inadequate, I actually wanted him to look at this other woman and find her beautiful because maybe that would confirm that he also thought my body was beautiful. So i guess I'd feel a lot more comfortable with porn if guys looked at more flat girls.

Allison-Shine, I'm sorry I really do think that you are justified in feeling the way you do because I understand that this culture is obsessed with really large breasts. Just also know that I would love love love to be your cup size and that there are people out there (like me) for whom that is their ideal size. So you should feel good about yourself knowing that some people would kill to look like you!

[angie_21]

Thanks strongirl I am blushing. And I love your story karategrrl, I may have to try that one day!!

Flatgurl, I used to wonder if I had some kind of hormonal imbalance too, even hope I did, becuase then I could go to the doctor and get it treated and grow nice big boobies. But that's a fantasy, in reality half the women in my family have smaller chests, it's genetic. It's not a disease or something that's "wrong" with us, it's a natural variation in human anatomy, and actually a very common one. I've seen advertisements for those breast-growth pills that try to tell us small boobs are "underdeveloped" but that's as scientific as saying someone who's 10 pounds overweight must have a thyroid condition. And I've done the research at message boards online, I've tried it myself, they simply don't work. It's a lie they tell vulnerable people like us to try to make us buy their product. I know it's hard to see in north america sometimes, what with plastic surgery and airbrushing being so rampant, but it's very very biologically normal to have A-AA boobies. And in some countries (Brazil, for one example) it's also considered very sexy. And as I've repreated her enough to annoy the hell out of everyone, you can add my boyfriend to the list of guys who love "tiny titties" (as he calls them).

I think everyone here has great advice, and this is a wonderful place to be! We're not trying to say you're crazy to feel the way you do. We've all felt like that at some point in our lives, and every once in a while I still let myself have a little pity party about my appearance, then I tune those thoughts out and go about the rest of my day. So, feel free to come here and vent, that's what this place is for! But my biggest advice is to pick other features about your body that you do like, and focus on them when you are feeling down on yourself. Focus on all the amazing things your body is capable of doing, not just how it looks! You can't out-tiny all of us, I am also 25, and I still don't fill out an A-cup either, and it took 30 lbs of weight gain (it wasn't intentional, even if I liked some of the effects of it!) to get big enough for a push-up bra to actually do any pushing! And you can't tell me I'm not sexy!

[strongirl]

Flatgurl, I echo Starship, Karategrrl, and Angie_21 - there's a lot of support and wisdom on this forum! You'll get good advice from people who've walked a mile in your cups - better than most therapists would give you - and it's free!

Re-read that first response you got from Angie_21. Then re-read it again. It is packed full of insight and wisdom. (Kudos to you on that one, Angie! I was blown away.)

Then do as Karategrrl suggested. Go back through the thread. The bad head spaces you're in are bad head spaces we've all been in...and helped each other out of. It's all in here, somewhere.

One other thing: the body type you possess is one that my boyfriend finds particularly sexy, and lots of other men do, too. He has a vast collection of photos of "girls" on his computer which I'm OK with because I enjoy them too and they give me some amazing insight into what he likes. It's very diverse but one body type that comes up over and over is the very flat-chested type. These are girls who are proudly and hotly displaying their nips in confident and provocative poses. It's not "kiddie" stuff either, fyi. These are women. Issues around porn aside (and we've touched on that in here, too, if you read back), if there weren't men who like this look all these photos wouldn't be out there to begin with. So OK, you have no breast tissue. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with you and it doesn't mean you are not sexy.

[Allison-Shine]

i met some new people this weekend, two were women in their mid-30s and i swear before i found out their age i thought they were 21 at a push. I'm pretty sure their petite figures were partly to credit for that. small boobed bodies age well:)

Indeed, that is why at 23 I can still pass for 15-16. That is one of the upsides of being on the petite side and having the girlish/youthful look that sometimes comes with it.

[Allison-Shine]

Honey, there's nothing wring with you, and what you describe about B-cuppers complaining about their size is something we've all experienced as well. Yes, it IS totally annoying and exasperating. Here's a little story that bears repeating: My sis-in-law is one of those women. One day, for the 100th time, she called her large B-cups "bee stings." I said, "Those aren't small breasts. THESE are small breasts!" and I flashed her. That shut her up. She still talks abut it.

Gee that is me, sorry ! I am a 32B but wish that I had a little more, but I understand your point. You did heck of a job making your point to your freind! LOL.

Something tells me I have that type of response coming to me one of these days.

[karategrrl]

Sometimes it upsets me when people who are B cups are upset about their chests, because to me that is hugeee, that is all I would ever want to be- at least a full A or a small B (not to say any of you girls with B cups are not justified in feeling the way you do because I'm sure it just depends on where you're coming from), but its hard to hear people that seem sooo much bigger to me say they are small because then its like wow I must be concave! If I ever got to be a B cup I feel like my obsessing would just melt away..heck if I had any breasts at all it would, but there is just nothing there at all..i keep thinking there must be something medically wrong with me, but I get normal periods and just can't find a thing..

Honey, there's nothing wring with you, and what you describe about B-cuppers complaining about their size is something we've all experienced as well. Yes, it IS totally annoying and exasperating. Here's a little story that bears repeating: My sis-in-law is one of those women. One day, for the 100th time, she called her large B-cups "bee stings." I said, "Those aren't small breasts. THESE are small breasts!" and I flashed her. That shut her up. She still talks abut it.

[oceangirl]

i can't believe they are charging 45 pounds for that bra!! i got it for 45 USD.

[oceangirl]

i own that bra on the aa site (the wacoal bra) and it's nice. it has removable cookies. it's quite cute.

Hey starship, I was confused when I looked up Panache to see they supposedly specialize in DD+ sizes, but make tons of AA bras. Confusing. Do you know any stores in north america where you could buy them? I hate buying things online when I don't know if they will fit.

Guess what else I just found: AA Lingere.com
I guess someone already beat us to it, although I think a lot of their bras are kind of wonderbra-looking. Still, nice to be able to shop for bras without someone's giant photoshopped gazongas being shoved at me from the computer screen. Someone tell me this isn't a beatiful picture right here! who wouldn't want to look like this. although, after looking around some more, I take it back, there's more than a little photoshopping going on at this website too. *sigh*

[starship]

Hey starship, I was confused when I looked up Panache to see they supposedly specialize in DD+ sizes, but make tons of AA bras. Confusing. Do you know any stores in north america where you could buy them? I hate buying things online when I don't know if they will fit.

I'm in the UK and a lot of underwear stores stock panache here but i guess not so much in america. You could always try an online store that allows exchanges? I found the sizing to be pretty accurate anyway, as long as you're sure fo your size. I think they specialise in bras for both extra large and extra small ladies.

photoshopping sucks. i hate how all mascara ad's in magazines now have these crazy-ass lashes airbrused in. why don't they just scrap the model industry and use made-to-order manequins

flatgurl im sure theres nothing wrong with you! I've often wondered desperately if my size was down to PCOS or something but I think I've just gotta accept this is the way I'm meant to be. google has made us a world of hypochondriacs.

i met some new people this weekend, two were women in their mid-30s and i swear before i found out their age i thought they were 21 at a push. I'm pretty sure their petite figures were partly to credit for that. small boobed bodies age well:)

[flatgurl]

Thanks so much for all your wonderful words already, I can tell this is going to be a great place for me and hopefully I can learn a lot too. You all seem to have a lot of confidence and that is what I need to surround myself with. Those bras were all really beautiful too, and it was so refreshing not to see just straight up victoria's secret models busting out of every seam. I wish there were more flat girls around me so that I didn't feel alone, but with all the implants and such these days who can even tell? The thing is that I wouldn't mind having small breasts if I just had breasts, but I really have like none. Sometimes it upsets me when people who are B cups are upset about their chests, because to me that is hugeee, that is all I would ever want to be- at least a full A or a small B (not to say any of you girls with B cups are not justified in feeling the way you do because I'm sure it just depends on where you're coming from), but its hard to hear people that seem sooo much bigger to me say they are small because then its like wow I must be concave! If I ever got to be a B cup I feel like my obsessing would just melt away..heck if I had any breasts at all it would, but there is just nothing there at all..i keep thinking there must be something medically wrong with me, but I get normal periods and just can't find a thing..

[angie_21]

Sorry, here I am again. I've been wasting a lot of time online today. On a vageuly related note, a reminder for those of us in need of a good dose of reality now and then (and also really hilarious) - this is how pervasive photoshopping is in advertising and the media, especially when it comes to women's bodies:

Photoshop Disasters Blog

[angie_21]

Hey starship, I was confused when I looked up Panache to see they supposedly specialize in DD+ sizes, but make tons of AA bras. Confusing. Do you know any stores in north america where you could buy them? I hate buying things online when I don't know if they will fit.

Guess what else I just found: AA Lingere.com
I guess someone already beat us to it, although I think a lot of their bras are kind of wonderbra-looking. Still, nice to be able to shop for bras without someone's giant photoshopped gazongas being shoved at me from the computer screen. Someone tell me this isn't a beatiful picture right here! who wouldn't want to look like this. although, after looking around some more, I take it back, there's more than a little photoshopping going on at this website too. *sigh*

[starship]

Hi new people:)

flatgurl i'm a 34aa and feel exactly the same as you a lot of the time, you should definately keep coming on here and at least read the posts even of you dont post yourself- these ladies are amazing and wise and will help you slowly feel a lot better about yourself and your body. youll find it a refreshing change from the usual mumbojumbo that you hear/see about breasts nowadays.
If you want a padded bra that really works then try a panache one, the come in AA and give even the likes of me cleavage. something like this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Panache-Atlantis-T-S...%3A1%7C294%3A50
I wouldnt recommend wearing one everyday though, you should focus more on becoming happy and confident with yourself and changing your mindset rather than your body.
Stick around:)

[karategrrl]

Hi flatgurl and gettingbetter,

Welcome to both of you! I remember how totally jazzed I was to find this little corner of the internet a couple years back and I'm so glad you've found us too. Stick around, visit daily, and read the older posts. I bet you'll both be feeling a bit more confident in no time. It sure has helped me.

I have to agree with a point angie_21 made--about how breasts seem to be everywhere when we focus on them everywhere--when we get focused on something, we do tend to run all perceptions through this sort of mental filter that makes many things into a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. Not to say that to some degree people aren't breast obsessed--definetely in some social circles or countries, it is more of an issue. But overall, in the grand scheme of things, it really is not as big of a thing as we can make it out to be. Hope it doesn't sound like I am minimizing your pain--I assure you I am not. I can just tell you from personal experience that a lot of distress I've experinced in life--over body image or other stuff--was stuff I put myself through. No, not all of it, but a lot.

Both of you ladies expressed yourselves so well, which tells me, for example, that you have brains and intelligence, not to mention sensitivity (which is a strength, not a weakness), and also the strength to reach out for help/support, and that's what brought you to this board. Just those qualities alone tell me loud and clear that you are much, much more than a pair of breasts of whatever size. and I'm sure I haven't even scratched the surface. When I feel down, thinking my breasts are too small or my ass too big or whatever, I often catch myself and instead focus on the 9,000 other good qualitites I have. Not to mention I always feel grateful that I have no major health issues, all my limbs, my sight, etc. So many folks in the world don't even have these basic things, and they'd give anything to be a woman with small breasts who can at least walk, or see, or hear, or whatever.

But I'm rambling now. Welcome, ladies. <Big, close hugs (which we can do b/c of no excessive mammary action in the way)>

[angie_21]

Flatgurl, sweetie, my heart goes out to you. I know all of those feelings very well. Please stay and read the rest of this board. There are a lot of good ideas here and a lot different perspectives on being small-chested that might help you out.

From reading your post, it sound like you have much more than a physical problem. The fact that you put so much weight on your appearance, and let it affect your relationships so strongly, especially zoning in on a single aspect of your appearance like this, sounds a lot like body dysmorphic disorder. I know a lot of it is probably just that you are venting your feelings here, you hopefully aren't as consumed by this as you sound, but once it has gotten to the point where it is affecting how you live your life, it is probably time to try to make some major changes in how you see yourself. I hope that coming here and posting is a step in that direction. There are a lot of girls out there the same size as you, you are judging yourself so harshly. Before you think too hard about surgery, please consider seeing a therapist to help you understand why you are so deeply concerned about one aspect of your physical appearance.

There are a lot of things that you say that show how much you are judging yourself that I want you to notice. For instance, saying you are not a "full grown woman." That you have been "robbed" of something. That you think your boyfriend would be happier with someone else, based solely on the size of your breasts. There are so many things that make a girl womanly, so many reasons for our boyfriends to love us and want us, and breats are such a small, insignificant part of that. You haven't been robbed of any rite of passage. Rites of passage are your first job, your first drunken party, your first kiss, losing your virginity! Only you can rob yourself of these things by focusing on how you look instead of who you are and having fun in the moment.

I know it seems like boobs are everywhere. I used ot feel that way too. But part of it is that, as smaller girls who are sensitive about our chest size, we see boobs everywhere. We notice and draw our own attention to it more often than necessary. I mean, noses are everywhere too, but it's not that big a deal. Never mind the fact that small breasts are sexy, even if you had no breasts (and don't say you have *no* breasts, because we are all lucky if have not had masectomies. There are women who have, and while they truly deserve our sympathy, they can be just as sexy as any of us) it's not the end of the world, it's not the only thing people see when they look at you, and it has absoloutely no affect on your ability to do anything except maybe your ability to wear certain types of t-shirts. It has absolutely no effect on your ability to do any number of sexy things in the bedroom that would make your boyfriend love you forever (believe me, I speak from experience!).

Also.. boobs are what guys talk about 1% of the time. The rest of the time they talk about hockey/football and AC/DC. It's really not that exciting. I don't know what else I can say. Please read this board with an open mind, and note that most of us here are AA's or A's, the same size as you whether you believe it or not. We go through all the same things, and we are OK. Better than OK, we are (as much as any girl can be) happy with what we look like and who we are.

Gettingbetter - good to meet you! Hope to hear more from you. I am a pear shape too! I used to hate feeling disproportionate, but now I just love my sweet ghetto booty It is true, be confident and everyone will believe you!