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post Dec 4 2008, 03:16 PM
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thanks lori and lovelyladyluck!!!

i'm not sure what approach i'm gonna go about now but i will keep everyone posted. i'm sure i'm still gonna do femd tho wink.gif thanks again ladies and good luck!!!!
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post Dec 3 2008, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(LovelyLadyLuck @ Dec 3 2008, 05:11 PM) *
which makes me wonder if i have sooo much bad bacteria that i need to kill it off with the meds first. and since i do in fact respond well to flagyl im gonna get some at the doc next week. until then the femd will stay in the fridge. im dying to use it though. but this time im going to try to finish up the whole course of flagyl and then do the femd, since i havent given the meds a chance in a looooong time.. if that doesnt work and it comes back ill do strictly femd. if that doesnt work ill punch someone. rolleyes.gif but anyway think about giving it a try.

That sounds like a good plan, Lovely.

However, in my opinion, I'd say - take Fem-D NOW. Keep taking it during the flagyl, and then keep taking it after.

The flagyl may kill some of the Fem-D, but I say replenish, replenish, replenish starting now. What's the point of waiting?

QUOTE(LovelyLadyLuck @ Dec 3 2008, 05:11 PM) *
i do want to point out that even though my bv symptoms came back after stopping the femd, i DO think that if you continue to take it that it COULD clear up on its own.

I do think that it could clear up on its own - in theory, I think it's possible that you'll just have so much good bacteria that it will eventually take over the bad and beat it without the flagyl. But naturally, the flagyl should give you a head start by killing off all the bad stuff first.

In any case ... Good luck!


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post Dec 3 2008, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(sooo sad @ Dec 3 2008, 05:37 PM) *
i started using it again at the end of september. this time i'm using it with the femd. when i used it for the first time in march of this year i wasn't using it with femd because i didn't know that femd exsisted until i stumbled here. the second time using boric i used it for about 1.5-2 months straight, now i do twice a week.


sooo sad it may be worth the try to use str8 femd and nothing else and see what it does for you. im assuming your body responds to it since you still use it. so the flagyl doesnt work for you at ALL??? interesting. i respond well to it, my bv just comes back after a while. i have a whole bottle of femd that i havent used yet, my bv is full force right now. someone said something about smelling of onions. thats exactly how my smell is. but when i take two femd's (one orally and one vaginally, it worked well for me), the smell is almost totally gone within a week. even my discharge is different. but if i dont do it for a day or two then guess what happens mad.gif . which makes me wonder if i have sooo much bad bacteria that i need to kill it off with the meds first. and since i do in fact respond well to flagyl im gonna get some at the doc next week. until then the femd will stay in the fridge. im dying to use it though. but this time im going to try to finish up the whole course of flagyl and then do the femd, since i havent given the meds a chance in a looooong time.. if that doesnt work and it comes back ill do strictly femd. if that doesnt work ill punch someone. rolleyes.gif but anyway think about giving it a try.

i do want to point out that even though my bv symptoms came back after stopping the femd, i DO think that if you continue to take it that it COULD clear up on its own.
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post Dec 3 2008, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE(catwalk @ Dec 3 2008, 05:59 PM) *
tongue.gif I figured since we are always talking about our kitties........ lol
lori and soo sad: Am I supposed to be taking the Fem-D vaginally???? I've been taking it orally! blink.gif

Update on my UTI.... I got an antibiotic called Macrobid, as you can see this drug SUCKS. I was stupid not to research it before taking it, I got SO sick! mad.gif
BUT, good thing was she gave me flagylstatin for 'just in case' my BV flares up!


LMAO@YOUR PIC! NICE smile.gif
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post Dec 3 2008, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(sooo sad @ Dec 3 2008, 01:37 PM) *
i started using it again at the end of september. this time i'm using it with the femd. when i used it for the first time in march of this year i wasn't using it with femd because i didn't know that femd exsisted until i stumbled here. the second time using boric i used it for about 1.5-2 months straight, now i do twice a week.

Hmmm.

Well, like I said, I think the boric might be canceling out the fem-d, because it's a microbicide.


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post Dec 3 2008, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(lori @ Dec 3 2008, 01:15 PM) *
When did you start using the boric?


i started using it again at the end of september. this time i'm using it with the femd. when i used it for the first time in march of this year i wasn't using it with femd because i didn't know that femd exsisted until i stumbled here. the second time using boric i used it for about 1.5-2 months straight, now i do twice a week.
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post Dec 3 2008, 03:28 PM
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Totally OT, but I am really freaked out by the pic of the cat head on a bun.

Ha! I actually think it's kinda funny.


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post Dec 3 2008, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(sooo sad @ Dec 3 2008, 08:12 AM) *
yes, my boyfriend and i took it at the same time and he was neg when retested and i was pos. i don't know what to do. that flagyl didn't take care of it for me and i've taken it 2 different ocassions while on femd

When did you start using the boric?


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post Dec 3 2008, 01:13 PM
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QUOTE(catwalk @ Dec 3 2008, 08:59 AM) *
tongue.gif I figured since we are always talking about our kitties........ lol
lori and soo sad: Am I supposed to be taking the Fem-D vaginally???? I've been taking it orally! blink.gif

Oh yeah, this is the big debate.

You're supposed to take it orally. But:

- it was used vaginally in clinical trials
- one of the busties e-mailed the the doctor who created it (Gregor Reid) asking him if it can be used vaginally, and he replied yes
- Jarrow's FAQ basically said (for a while, but now it's gone) - it's up to you how you use the product

So basically, it looks like the people who made it are saying - you can use it vaginally, we just can't tell you to do that.

Personally (and this is just me) - I'm not convinced that capsule with starchy ingredients inside is a good delivery method for the vagina. I had problems with a similar product. (long story) So *I* wouldn't do it. The product is supposed to be used orally, it works that way, so that's what I stick with.

And there are some busties who did use it vaginally, and didn't like the results.

But that doesn't mean you can't. Some busties do use it vaginally, and are happy with the results.

(Sorry to hear you got sick.)


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post Dec 3 2008, 11:59 AM
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QUOTE(auralpoison @ Dec 2 2008, 05:23 PM) *
Totally OT, but I am really freaked out by the pic of the cat head on a bun.

tongue.gif I figured since we are always talking about our kitties........ lol


lori and soo sad: Am I supposed to be taking the Fem-D vaginally???? I've been taking it orally! blink.gif

Update on my UTI.... I got an antibiotic called Macrobid, as you can see this drug SUCKS. I was stupid not to research it before taking it, I got SO sick! mad.gif
BUT, good thing was she gave me flagylstatin for 'just in case' my BV flares up!


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post Dec 3 2008, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(lori @ Dec 3 2008, 02:33 AM) *
Didn't you take flagyl? That should have taken care of it.

Your boyfriend took it, too, right?
I think it's possible. Some research says that it can. But I think it's more effective to take the flagyl first, and then replenish with Fem-D (unless you're pregnant).
Hmm. That's a little scary. smile.gif

Well, the decision is yours.



yes, my boyfriend and i took it at the same time and he was neg when retested and i was pos. i don't know what to do. that flagyl didn't take care of it for me and i've taken it 2 different ocassions while on femd
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post Dec 3 2008, 02:33 AM
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QUOTE(sooo sad @ Dec 2 2008, 06:20 PM) *
thanks for your reply lori. but if i cut out the boric acid, then what should i do/use to kill off the bv before replenishing with femd.

Didn't you take flagyl? That should have taken care of it.

Your boyfriend took it, too, right?

QUOTE(sooo sad @ Dec 2 2008, 06:20 PM) *
do you think that with only femd vaginally alone will be good enought to kill off the bv?

I think it's possible. Some research says that it can. But I think it's more effective to take the flagyl first, and then replenish with Fem-D (unless you're pregnant).

QUOTE(sooo sad @ Dec 2 2008, 06:20 PM) *
ps.....when i asked my dr how should i use boric acid and if there are any side effects, she said she didn't know and she would look it up on the internet....lol, i can do that too!

Hmm. That's a little scary. smile.gif

Well, the decision is yours.


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post Dec 2 2008, 10:26 PM
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Quick Update: I know someone mentioned on here after my last post about the whey...being lactose intolerant. There was another woman who tried the whey in the form of Molkosan...and she is lactose intolerant and said that it still worked for her and didn't give her any reaction. Since I am still on antibiotics...I didn't want to try this and not be able to accurately report that it worked for me. Though I must say, the anti's did Nothing for me this time and last time. However, she got the Molkosan, added a tsp. into a dropper with a bulb on it; lays down and squirts it in. She did say that there is some 'milky' smell; but not bad. She also mentioned that there might be slight irritation that night; but by the next morning everything is back to normal. Maybe someone on here would give this a try and report?
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post Dec 2 2008, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE(lori @ Dec 2 2008, 06:18 PM) *
Well, knowing what we know about boric acid now, I just don't think anyone should be using it. As I said in a previous post, I think boric acid use should be limited to:

1. diagnosed with non-albicans yeast by a doctor
2. prescribed by a doctor
3. made by a pharmacist
4. used no longer than the prescribed amount of time

I don't think it should be used perpetually. It's poison.

And I said this before, but boric acid is a microbicide. So it's probably killing off the good bacteria including the fem-d bacteria. So by popping in the boric acid twice a week, you're actually making the fem-d not work well.

So my opinion is: cut it out of your treatment.

For the record, normally, I don't tell people exactly what to do. I really never tell people - "do this or that twice a day." I just present information, and I make sure that it's as accurate as possible. You make the decision.

But since you asked, my suggestion is to cut the boric acid out of your treatment. Has it been working for you? I know it controls symptoms, but has it cured you? If not, then I don't think it's worth it.


thanks for your reply lori. but if i cut out the boric acid, then what should i do/use to kill off the bv before replenishing with femd. do you think that with only femd vaginally alone will be good enought to kill off the bv? the boric acid has helped with the symptoms tremendously but i don't know if it has actually cured me because i haven't really stopped using it...kinda scared of the symptoms coming back because it was so unbearable. i'm lost.....

ps.....when i asked my dr how should i use boric acid and if there are any side effects, she said she didn't know and she would look it up on the internet....lol, i can do that too!

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post Dec 2 2008, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(sooo sad @ Dec 2 2008, 01:49 PM) *
lori!!!

question......i know you say boric acid is not a cure and nor is tto, but what if one has went to the dr and tried everything that is know to man to try and cure this damn thing. my dr has prescribed me everything known to treat bv and it doesn't even go away. i've always taken femd with all my treatments too. right now im doing boric acid twice a week with femd orally and vaginally. i will do a boric acid one night wait 24 hrs and do femd for 2 nights and repeat, all while taking femd in am and nature's reuteri mid-day and femd in pm. any suggestions????

thanks,
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Well, knowing what we know about boric acid now, I just don't think anyone should be using it. As I said in a previous post, I think boric acid use should be limited to:

1. diagnosed with non-albicans yeast by a doctor
2. prescribed by a doctor
3. made by a pharmacist
4. used no longer than the prescribed amount of time

I don't think it should be used perpetually. It's poison.

And I said this before, but boric acid is a microbicide. So it's probably killing off the good bacteria including the fem-d bacteria. So by popping in the boric acid twice a week, you're actually making the fem-d not work well.

So my opinion is: cut it out of your treatment.

For the record, normally, I don't tell people exactly what to do. I really never tell people - "do this or that twice a day." I just present information, and I make sure that it's as accurate as possible. You make the decision.

But since you asked, my suggestion is to cut the boric acid out of your treatment. Has it been working for you? I know it controls symptoms, but has it cured you? If not, then I don't think it's worth it.


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post Dec 2 2008, 05:23 PM
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Totally OT, but I am really freaked out by the pic of the cat head on a bun.


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post Dec 2 2008, 04:49 PM
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lori!!!

question......i know you say boric acid is not a cure and nor is tto, but what if one has went to the dr and tried everything that is know to man to try and cure this damn thing. my dr has prescribed me everything known to treat bv and it doesn't even go away. i've always taken femd with all my treatments too. right now im doing boric acid twice a week with femd orally and vaginally. i will do a boric acid one night wait 24 hrs and do femd for 2 nights and repeat, all while taking femd in am and nature's reuteri mid-day and femd in pm. any suggestions????

thanks,
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post Dec 1 2008, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(jewelscando @ Nov 30 2008, 06:53 PM) *
Ms. Lori... how are you???

I'm fine, Ms. Jewels! How are you?

It means a lot to me that I've earned your trust. Thanks. smile.gif


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post Dec 1 2008, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE(Sweaty in Social Studies @ Dec 1 2008, 07:21 AM) *
I was reading an article on Webmd that said, "For decades, some women have used Lactobacillus acidophilus in yogurt or supplements to treat bacterial vaginosis. But researchers now know that dairy lactobacillus does not work for bacterial vaginosis. This is because dairy lactobacillus is not the kind of bacteria that normally lives in the vagina. Researchers have found two different types of lactobacillus-L. crispatus and L. jensenii-that are most commonly found in a healthy vaginal environment. Research is now focusing on using these types of lactobacilli in capsules."

So, all this whole time, I've been taking the wrong Acidophilus supplement, which only contains the acidophilus from dairy products. (source)

*sigh*

Okay, this is all very nice info., but it's already been hashed and re-hashed in this thread. And the reason that regular Lactobacillus doesn't work (because it's not native to a healthy vagina) has also been hashed, re-hashed, AND covered in The V Book.

So this is what I mean. If everyone read The V Book, we wouldn't need to waste time on elementary knowledge and basic questions, and wasting time trying stuff that everyone already knows doesn't work! (Taking the wrong kind of Lactobacillus doesn't hurt you, but it is a waste of time).

So once again, I'm going to recommend The V Book. Not only does it cover some basic BV knowledge, it also gives you other tips on other women's health issues that are going to benefit you.


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post Dec 1 2008, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(catwalk @ Dec 1 2008, 08:08 AM) *
Bought the Fem-dophilus, got it, started taking it...... all seemed well on & off for the last 2 months (last time I posted). I was also taking 2 other kinds of Lac/Acido/Bif along with cranberry pills.

Yesterday I realised I have a UTI mad.gif , so I'm going now to get AB's.... which will probably make the BV come back, or at the very least a yeast infection.

Was going to ask my doctor about Boric Acid.... but she just gives me whatever I tell her to, so might not be such a good idea (ie: it will probably make my va-jay-jay explode).

Sorry to hear about your UTI, catwalk.

But don't feel too bad. We're all going to have to take antibiotics at some time in our lives. You could get a respiratory infection, injury, etc. What's important to remember is that you only take it when you need it, you only take the right type, and you only take it per doctor's instructions. Everyone should be doing this already, but it's especially important for us BV ladies!

And take 2 Fem-D pills a day! Remember that you shouldn't take it with antibiotics at the same time, because you don't want it to mix in the stomach at the same time (that's what the instructions say). Take them a couple hours apart.

Unfortunately, some people mis-read that and thought I said you shouldn't take Fem-D while at all while taking antibiotics. No no no! If you're taking antibiotics, that's when you need Fem-D the most!

QUOTE(catwalk @ Dec 1 2008, 08:08 AM) *
Lori: sounds like you think of Boric Acid how I feel about hormonal birth control! A lot of people use it, but doesn't mean it's not poison. And what's more frustrating, with BC people argue over which poison is better! rolleyes.gif

Ha ha. Well, I've been always thumbs-down on the boric acid for the following reasons:

1) it never cured BV; just a "maintenance" solution - I've gone on and on about how that's not a good thing, so I won't repeat myself here

2) it is used as rat poison

3) Jewelscando used it and got terrible rashes on her face and arms. She is allergic to it, and not everyone is. But what we learned from her experience is that this stuff gets into your body and travels to other areas, it doesn't just stay in your vagina.

So basically, do I feel comfortable shoving rat poison up my vagina when it doesn't even cure BV? No thanks.

I've said this a bunch of times. But I didn't make a big stink about it until now, because I knew that if I did, some asshole somewhere would be bitching and moaning about "negativity." And it wasn't worth it.

But now, I still don't think it's worth it. But I think it's necessary.

Anyway, good luck with your UTI. (That sounds weird, but you know what I mean.) laugh.gif


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