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cinderflower
post Jul 17 2007, 07:10 PM
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It was a product made so that women could avoid this:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...l%3Den%26sa%3DG

I have no idea what was in it, but I would bet that it was scary. I remember seeing it in the bathroom in the sixties. I thought they had stopped making it but it looks like you can still buy it. The formula must have been changed since then but I get a kick out of the old ads like this one:

http://scriptorium.lib.duke.edu/adaccess/B...213-150dpi.jpeg

I decided to look up some of the ingredients used in it now, and one is thymol:

Thymol
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Thymol

Chemical name 5-methyl-2-(1-methylethyl)phenol
Chemical formula C10H14O
Molecular mass 150.22 g/mol
CAS number [89-83-8]
Density 0.96 g/cm3
Melting point 48-52 °C
Boiling point 232 °C
SMILES CC1=CC(O)=C(C©C)C=C1
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Thymol is a monoterpene phenol derivative of cymene, C10H13OH, isomeric with carvacrol, found in oil of thyme, and extracted as a white crystalline substance of a pleasant aromatic odor and strong antiseptic properties. It is also called "hydroxy cymene". (from Webster's 1913 dictionary)

It has been found to be useful in controlling varroa mites in bee colonies.[1]A minor use is in bookbinding: before rebinding, books with mould damage can be sealed in bags with thymol crystals to kill fungal spores. It is also used as a preservative in halothane, an anaesthetic.

In a 1994 report released by five top cigarette companies, thymol was listed as one of 599 additives to cigarettes.[2] It is added to improve the flavor.


another is:

Benzalkonium chloride
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Benzalkonium chloride

Molar mass (mixture)
CAS number [8001-54-5]
EINECS number 264-151-6
Properties
Density 0.98
Solubility in water very soluble
Hazards
EU classification Xi
NFPA 704
010
R-phrases R21/22, R34, R50
S-phrases S36/37/39, S45, S61
RTECS number BO3150000
Except where noted otherwise, data are given for
materials in their standard state
(at 25 °C, 100 kPa)
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Benzalkonium chloride (alkyl dimethyl benzyl ammonium chloride) is a mixture of alkylbenzyl dimethylammonium chlorides of various alkyl chain lengths. It is commonly used as an antiseptic and spermicide. This product is a nitrogenous cationic surface-acting agent belonging to the quaternary ammonium group. The greatest bactericidal activity is associated with the C12-C14 alkyl derivatives.

It has been considered one of the safest synthetic biocides known, and has a long history of efficacious use. However, conflicting studies cast doubt on its reputation for safety.[1][2] Some products have been reformulated in light of this research, but it is still widely used in eyewashes, hand and face washes, mouthwashes, spermicidal creams, and in various other cleaners, sanitizers, and disinfectants. It is also used as an annual treatment for the elimination of bacteria in water within waterbeds. However, manufacturers of OTC artificial tears and eye washes became concerned about chemical sensitivity from long-term daily use and have in some products substituted EDTA as a preservative and have added "for sensitive eyes" to labeling. There has also been concern that long-term use of benzalkonium as a preservative in nose sprays may cause swelling of mucosa and lead to Rhinitis medicamentosa. Some manufacturers have put 3-day limits on safe use of such nose sprays.

Applications are extremely wide ranging, from disinfectant formulations to microbial corrosion inhibition in the oilfield sector. It is often used to disinfect skin prior to withdrawing blood for Blood Alcohol Content ("BAC") tests because it contains no alcohol and cannot be said to taint the BAC test.

Benzalkonium chloride is readily soluble in water, alcohol, and acetone. Formulation requires great care as Benzalkonium can be inactivated by certain organic compounds, including soap, and must not be mixed with anionic surfactants. Hard water salts can also reduce biocidal activity. Although newer formulations are more resistant to deactivation, as with any disinfectant, it is recommended that surfaces are rinsed well before disinfection.

Aqueous solutions of benzalkonium chloride are neutral to slightly alkaline, colorless, and nonstaining. Solutions foam profusely when shaken, have a bitter taste, and a faint almond-like odour, which is only detectable in concentrated solutions.

The mechanism of bactericidal/microbicidal action is thought to be due to disruption of intermolecular interactions. This can cause dissociation of cellular membrane bilayers, which compromises cellular permeability controls and induces leakage of cellular contents. Other biomolecular complexes within the bacterial cell can also undergo dissociation. Enzymes, which finely control a plethora of respiratory and metabolic cellular activities, are particularly susceptible to deactivation. Critical intermolecular interactions and tertiary structures in such highly specific biochemical systems can be readily disrupted by cationic surfactants.

Benzalkonium chloride solutions are rapidly acting anti-infective agents with a moderately long duration of action. They are active against bacteria and some viruses, fungi, and protozoa. Bacterial spores are considered to be resistant. Solutions are bacteriostatic or bactericidal according to their concentration. Gram-positive bacteria are generally more susceptible than gram-negative. Activity is not greatly affected by pH, but increases substantially at higher temperatures and prolonged exposure times.

and then there's propylene glycol:

[edit] Safety
The Food and Drug Administration has determined that propylene glycol in or on cat food has not been shown by adequate scientific data to be safe for use. Use of propylene glycol in or on cat food causes the feed to be adulterated and in violation of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. 21CFR589.1001

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has determined propylene glycol to be "generally recognized as safe" for use in food, cosmetics, and medicines. Like ethylene glycol, propylene glycol affects the body's chemistry by increasing the amount of acid. Propylene glycol is metabolized into lactic acid, which occurs naturally as muscles are exercised, while ethylene glycol is metabolized into oxalic acid, which is toxic.

Post menopausal women who require the use of an estrogen cream may notice that brand name creams made with propylene glycol often create extreme, uncomfortable burning along the vulva and perianal area. In these cases, patients can request that a local compounding pharmacy make a "propylene glycol free" cream which is much more tolerable.

Patients with vulvodynia and interstitial cystitis may be especially sensitive to propylene glycol. Women struggling with yeast infections may also notice that some OTC creams can cause intense burning.[1]

yeah, I don't think I'd be tempted to use it . . .



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arj75
post Jul 17 2007, 02:21 PM
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Cinderflower, what the hell is Zonite. (not that I am planning to make a purchase lol).

Oh, I think I may have found a doctor who does know where is asshole is, and better yet, where my thyroid gland is. I tracked down a specialist (2 hours away). Postpartum thyroidism?, I was asked to fax him my T-cell count from last test I had. The office is trying to work me in as soon as they can. My worries are that this disorder can either A. Progress to Grave's disease, B. progress to hypothyriodism or C. get better naturally(I am hoping). I guess my major concern is that my grandmother and mother both have hypothyroidism. (which I didn't find out until today) You'd think that someone would have mentioned this to me at some point....

Also, CANCAN, thank you for suggesting sublingual B- complex (if that was you) I don't remember. I have noticed enough difference from using those, in such a short time, (switched from just using the tabs) that I am gonna start getting B-injections this week!
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post Jul 17 2007, 12:57 PM
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my kitten sat on the keyboard. (which may or may not have contributed to the double post . . . )


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cinderflower
post Jul 17 2007, 12:55 PM
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About HP: I came out as "not recommended" on my blog - was being extra-cautious. Here's my take on it - I have tried HP after reading about it in this thread. (I used a rubber bulb syringe and used HP straight, without diluting it with water.) I only used it once and it didn't kill me, or cause any lasting damage that I know of. So if you're looking for quick odor-control, it's a solution.

But it's not a long-term cure, and long-term use may cause problems.


I have to agree with "not recommended" for hydrogen peroxide (if that's what you're referring to with HP--I have a hewlett-packard so that's what HP brings to my mind) (ha). Hydrogen peroxide not only destroys "bad" bacteria but it also destroys healthy tissue. That is another reason why healthcare professionals discourage its use as a disinfectant for wounds. Sterile saline is generally suggested instead. I honestly wouldn't use it as a douche, regardless of its effect on odor. Remember, women in the fifties used Zonite douche and Lysol.


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lori
post Jul 16 2007, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(jewelscando @ Jul 15 2007, 10:40 PM) *
YEAH, WELCOME BACK LORI!!! Thanks for putting your board back up!!!

Thanks Jewels!

QUOTE(saint @ Jul 15 2007, 06:00 PM) *
hi all.

i am new to this forum. and wanted to say that I have been suffering from BV for a few years now!! it is very much a recurrent problem that continues to occur no matter what i do!! iam only 23 and I am scared to hav sex because of the smell.
2 years ago I was diagnosed as having the HPV, and was told that i had CIN 1. I read from som1 thread that they think that having the HPV and having BV are somhow related.!!! i was wondering if anyone else who had the HPV, also had BV. also i heard about this jamu stick, which claims to eliminate smells and discharge!!! it is only now that I have realised that I have a problem and that it is recurrent, what kind of treatments are you guys using for BV? please can u give me som ideas as have no clue. I went to the clinic an was told that I shoud use a syringe and squirt 1% of hydrogen peroxide inside, which studies hav shown to help with the hormone imbalance whch causes the BV. i am too scared to put the acid up there, as iam scared of it fizzing or somting!!!
please can som1 help me, as I am at the end of my witts end. and need to sort out this problem before it ruins my relationship for good.
many thanks

Hello saint,

This is my section on HP from my blog (just updated; link is in my sig):

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Hydrogen peroxide (HP) douche/wash
  • Description:
  • Where to Buy / Cost:
  • How to use: place towel on bathroom floor and lie down; methods used to deliver HP into the vagina - plastic funnel, medicine spoon/dropper, commercial douche, rubber bulb syringe
  • Pros: HP is an anti-infective, and will probably kill the bad bacteria at least on the surface
    Research on HP:
  • Cons:
    • commercial-grade peroxide (2.5%-3%) may break down tissue over time
    • also kills the good bacteria, causing "vicious cycle"
    • repeated use caused dryness
    • one member reported that her vagina became "discolored" as observed by her gynecologist (!)
    • another member experienced brown discharge and bleeding after sex
  • Conclusion: possibly harmful, not recommended; consult your doctor


About the midwife site (gentlebirth.org) - she recommends Gy-natren - I've tried this product, and it's horrible. Really messed me up. Don't use it. (more info. in my blog)

About HP: I came out as "not recommended" on my blog - was being extra-cautious. Here's my take on it - I have tried HP after reading about it in this thread. (I used a rubber bulb syringe and used HP straight, without diluting it with water.) I only used it once and it didn't kill me, or cause any lasting damage that I know of. So if you're looking for quick odor-control, it's a solution.

But it's not a long-term cure, and long-term use may cause problems. The two big reasons why I'm always urging people to work with their doctors instead of trying to treat this problem at home are:

1) Upper-genital-tract health - more and more research is showing that untreated BV can screw with your reproductive system; home treatments will not help this, and may only mask symptoms
2) It could be something else. There is a possibility that you could have an STD without knowing it (it happens!) or another type of vaginitis. You would definitely want to know about this, and get the right treatments.

I know doctors are often clueless or dismissive. (Trust me, I've had my share of idiot doctors.) But your best hope of really fixing this problem is to try and find the least assholey doctor you can find and work with him/her.

Having said that, I also think the best solution is probiotics. The good bacteria produces HP which keeps the bad bacteria from taking over and causing BV
--> so you can try to replace the HP (short-term solution), or
--> try to replace the good bacteria (long-term solution)

That's a quick, short-hand way to think about it.

Read my blog for the research on fem-dophilus, which works for me. I'm not trying to be a shill, but the research on probiotics makes a lot of sense. And oral probiotics are safe to use. So that is my best recommendation to you.


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Morphia
post Jul 16 2007, 02:44 AM
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Is it just me or do they not give you enough cream for 7 days? I think they do this on purpose so you have to get more than just one tube. More money for the drug companies!

Anyway, last night was day five of my 14 days of Cleocin cream and there is FINALLY a LITTLE reduction in symptoms. But its so small I can hardly consider it acknowledgeable. I'll continue to be a Negative Nancy and venture to guess that this is NOT going to work. I've been right before...
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sassy
post Jul 16 2007, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE(saint @ Jul 16 2007, 01:00 AM) *
hi all.

i am new to this forum. and wanted to say that I have been suffering from BV for a few years now!! it is very much a recurrent problem that continues to occur no matter what i do!! iam only 23 and I am scared to hav sex because of the smell.
2 years ago I was diagnosed as having the HPV, and was told that i had CIN 1. I read from som1 thread that they think that having the HPV and having BV are somhow related.!!! i was wondering if anyone else who had the HPV, also had BV. also i heard about this jamu stick, which claims to eliminate smells and discharge!!! it is only now that I have realised that I have a problem and that it is recurrent, what kind of treatments are you guys using for BV? please can u give me som ideas as have no clue. I went to the clinic an was told that I shoud use a syringe and squirt 1% of hydrogen peroxide inside, which studies hav shown to help with the hormone imbalance whch causes the BV. i am too scared to put the acid up there, as iam scared of it fizzing or somting!!!
please can som1 help me, as I am at the end of my witts end. and need to sort out this problem before it ruins my relationship for good.
many thanks



Jamu stick does not work. I think it made some girls on here painfully dry.

Many girls have used hydrogen peroxide. There is no reason to be scared of using it. It helps a little with the smell, but overall, I didn't think it was helpful enough to continue using it.
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jewelscando
post Jul 15 2007, 11:23 PM
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YEAH, WELCOME BACK LORI!!! Thanks for putting your board back up!!!

Vitamin C, in Vagina, caused bleeding for me. I do NOT have periods anymore due to a Hysterectomy...so the bleeding must have come from irratation.

Ladies...anything you decide to stick up your vagina...consult with a doctor first....
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post Jul 15 2007, 06:43 PM
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hi all.

i am new to this forum. and wanted to say that I have been suffering from BV for a few years now!! it is very much a recurrent problem that continues to occur no matter what i do!! iam only 23 and I am scared to hav sex because of the smell.
2 years ago I was diagnosed as having the HPV, and was told that i had CIN 1. I read from som1 thread that they think that having the HPV and having BV are somhow related.!!! i was wondering if anyone else who had the HPV, also had BV. also i heard about this jamu stick, which claims to eliminate smells and discharge!!! it is only now that I have realised that I have a problem and that it is recurrent, what kind of treatments are you guys using for BV? please can u give me som ideas as have no clue. I went to the clinic an was told that I shoud use a syringe and squirt 1% of hydrogen peroxide inside, which studies hav shown to help with the hormone imbalance whch causes the BV. i am too scared to put the acid up there, as iam scared of it fizzing or somting!!!
please can som1 help me, as I am at the end of my witts end. and need to sort out this problem before it ruins my relationship for good.
many thanks
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arj75
post Jul 15 2007, 11:03 AM
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Welcome back Lori,

Your right the Zapper sucks! wink.gif
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lori
post Jul 15 2007, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE(mermaidgirl @ Jul 14 2007, 08:02 AM) *
hi all - i'm new here...if nothing else, it's nice to know i'm not alone with this...

question: has anyone's had any success using vitamin C tablets?

this has probably been asked an answered already so if someone could point me to the post (assuming one exists), i'd really appreciate it...thanks in advance!

*trying to smile*

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Hi mermaidgirl,

This is my section re: Vit.C from my blog:

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Today Vaginal Vitamin C Tablets
  • Description: Vaginal tablets (Today pH Balance Restore / Today Daily pH Balance)
  • Where to Buy / Cost: drugstore.com, The Today Store
  • Pros:
  • Cons:
  • Conclusion: *Please make sure to not use regular Vitamin C oral tablets instead of this product. Oral tablets contain binders and other elements which can irritate you. Bust members have tried using regular Vitamin C oral tablets vaginally and have experienced burning and bleeding. Don't do it!


I actually bought the Today tablets (expensive!), but I haven't used them. (I've been doing well since I started taking fem-dophilus (probiotics), so I don't want to mess with things.) When someone else asked the same question before, no one else replied - so it looks like no one else has tried them.

Hope that helps!


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post Jul 15 2007, 08:43 AM
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Hey everyone,

So I was researching thyroid dysfunctions and found some more information regarding it. Also, the article discussed of how EASY thyroid problems are missed..just getting t-cell counts isn't always good enough to detect the problem. (Dr. Robert Jay Schwartz)

The way I eat...I should weight 3 tons...for real

I mentioned earlier, when I first joined the site...body temperture....well, this specialist will have you monitor and record your body temp various times throughout the day..to see what is going on with your metabolism.... another factor needed to see what is going on with your body, and can help the doctor to determine what to look for and where to start.

I realize that this is bv forum...but this disorder effects our sex hormones....BV (hormonal?)
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post Jul 14 2007, 08:45 AM
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hi all - i'm new here...if nothing else, it's nice to know i'm not alone with this...

question: has anyone's had any success using vitamin C tablets?

this has probably been asked an answered already so if someone could point me to the post (assuming one exists), i'd really appreciate it...thanks in advance!

*trying to smile*

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I havent heard an update on most of you.. how is everyone doing?? Me, still the same.. giving up on my sex life for good now.. sad.gif


Well, sorry to hear that you have not found a product that will help you with your bv and bv odor but I must say that I was feeling the same way so you are not alone. I suffered for years with bv and a few months ago found a product that is helping me(yeast arrest) I am a believer that you will find something that will work for you. Don't give up continue with researching and trial and error. Hang in there..


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post Jul 14 2007, 04:20 AM
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QUOTE(chantelhugo @ Jul 13 2007, 06:39 PM) *
I havent heard an update on most of you.. how is everyone doing?? Me, still the same.. giving up on my sex life for good now.. sad.gif



I gave up my sex life 3yrs ago when sex became.....embarrassing and men think you are dirty due to the smell .... I have been keeping the smell at bay with BA but I am considering going on birth control to hopefully even out my hormones....I cannot recall if I had this problem while on bc pills I have not been on them since the 90's... so i am keeping hope alive neverending had some good info on hormones and another f word i cannot remember from her article
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I havent heard an update on most of you.. how is everyone doing?? Me, still the same.. giving up on my sex life for good now.. sad.gif
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post Jul 13 2007, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE(cinderflower @ Jul 12 2007, 03:14 PM) *
arj75, I am not being funny--you should meditate. I mean really meditate (if possible). It's free, yoga is expensive, and it does wonders for stress. Laughing is good too but not everyone is a stand-up.


Very true Cinderflower, not everyone is a stand-up. And while I was on my "I hate God strike" because of everything that has transpired in the past two years of my life...I did meditate. Actually, I had to because my anxiety attacks were getting so bad, that I would pass out from not being able to breath! But i do have a good sense of humor, and have been blessed with a couple friends that do as well. (actually one is a stand-up) lol

I am gonna join a support group to help me cope with losing my best friend of 15 years, and also another group, to help me understand of how to cope with a mother that smokes $8,000 dollars of crack a month so she can cope with her many health problems. (I'm almost at wits end with this....it's a damn if you do, damn if you don't kinda thing with her.....

Meditatation helped me for sure.....
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arj75, I am not being funny--you should meditate. I mean really meditate (if possible). It's free, yoga is expensive, and it does wonders for stress. Laughing is good too but not everyone is a stand-up.


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post Jul 12 2007, 01:28 AM
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MORE LAUGHTER FOR THE DAY....WHEN I READ THIS...I THOUGHT...OH NO...THAT BULLET'S GOING TO CAUSE B.V.!!! HAHAHA

Taking a tinkle................

A woman pregnant with triplets was walking down the street when a masked
robber ran out of a bank and shot her three times in the stomach.
Luckily the babies were OK. The surgeon decided to leave the bullets in
because it was too risky to operate. She gave birth to two healthy
daughters and a healthy son.

All was fine for 16 years, and then one daughter walked into the room in
tears. "What's wrong?" asked the mother. "I was taking a tinkle and this
bullet came out," replied the daughter. The mother told her it was okay
and explained what happened 16 years ago.

About a week later the second daughter walked into the room in tears.
"Mom, I was taking a tinkle and this bullet came out." Again the mother
told her not to worry and explained what happened 16 years ago.

A week later her son walked into the room in tears. "It's Okay," said
the mom, "I know what happened. You were taking a tinkle and a bullet
came out."

"No," said the boy, "I was jacking off and I shot the dog."

LMAO.... that was a good one
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post Jul 11 2007, 11:21 PM
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MORE LAUGHTER FOR THE DAY....WHEN I READ THIS...I THOUGHT...OH NO...THAT BULLET'S GOING TO CAUSE B.V.!!! HAHAHA

Taking a tinkle................

A woman pregnant with triplets was walking down the street when a masked
robber ran out of a bank and shot her three times in the stomach.
Luckily the babies were OK. The surgeon decided to leave the bullets in
because it was too risky to operate. She gave birth to two healthy
daughters and a healthy son.

All was fine for 16 years, and then one daughter walked into the room in
tears. "What's wrong?" asked the mother. "I was taking a tinkle and this
bullet came out," replied the daughter. The mother told her it was okay
and explained what happened 16 years ago.

About a week later the second daughter walked into the room in tears.
"Mom, I was taking a tinkle and this bullet came out." Again the mother
told her not to worry and explained what happened 16 years ago.

A week later her son walked into the room in tears. "It's Okay," said
the mom, "I know what happened. You were taking a tinkle and a bullet
came out."

"No," said the boy, "I was jacking off and I shot the dog."

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