[arj75]

or type in this guy and see what he says about how easy it is for doctors to make a wrong diagnosis. drbenkim. he said that we should be on different medicine (both partners) or it might be hormones but can be treated with estrogen.

I knew God would.. at least... sort this out for us.

[Miamigirl]

What is the difference between the two?

Try this link


http://bacterialvaginosisrecurrent.com/bac..._infection.html

[arj75]

o yeah ladies, men can pass vaginitis back to us!!

[arj75]

What is the difference between the two?

Everyone find yourselfs a doctor who knows his ass from a whole the fucking ground and make sure this is not what you have!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope everyone's livers are ok.

I don't really know Sassy, but I'm scared for some of us here.....your liver can regenerate itself but only up to a certain point.

I wish I wasn't such a dumb ass and knew how to pull links!

[sassy]

What is the difference between the two?

[arj75]

Hello everyone,
My doctor finally called me back, and what he said I have is vaginitis not vagnosis? What the hell? I have the fish funk (just not right now). I did a little reading about it, and well, I'm even more scared....possible liver damage if left untreated??? I hope not. I go in to see him to go over my tests on thursday.

Please don't make me move to another board cause I have itis and not osis. lol

[neverending]

Ok ladies, I'm still doing my research on estrogen and why it has worked so well for at least 3 people on this board. I found something interesting that one of the other girls talked about.

I found this:http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/102865/


Re: bacterial vaginosis again From jap420 [Log on to view profile] on 2007-02-04
I had been suffering from BV for a number of years. I finally got some relief when i began a birth control regimine. It is called NUVARING and has made all my symptoms go away. I have tried everything the doctor has prescribed and I have taken the Lactobilli pills and yogurts but nothing worked except for the nuvaring. Here is an exerpt from an obgyn website...
Some women using the NuvaRing® for contraception have also noticed an increase in normal vaginal discharge. This is likely due to the local presence of hormones that allows for optimal development of the good bacteria lactobacilli, which contributes to a healthy vaginal ecosystem by combating the overgrowth of yeast and offensive bacteria.
It has done wonders for my self esteem...If all else fails, I suggest you try it. It is the only consistent remedy I have been using for the past year and I have no symptoms. Real easy to use too. Just leave it in place for three weeks and take it out for one...it's not a daily hassle.

Good Luck
I think what we all have/had is atrophic vag or hormonal vag.

[sassy]

Lori: I wonder if you could find a e-mail or physical address for that doctor? I would really be interested in sending a letter to someone on the things we've tried...especially someone who has expertise in the area.

[sassy]

Clidamycin=E. Coli and Strep in the vagina? Was this drug not studied before being approved? Ahh, that is scary!

[lori]

Conclusions: In this preliminary study, treatment of bacterial vaginosis with a vaginal douche containing a strain of L. acidophilus contributed to the restoration of a normal vaginal environment.

Hurray! Thanks pympmama!

I've been saying - probiotics is our best hope! Hopefully they'll come up with some good products soon. Cheap, easy to find, and effective!

[pympmama1]

Hey guys I found this and thought I would share

The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine
Activity of a Lactobacillus acidophilus–Based Douche for the Treatment of Bacterial Vaginosis
May 2007, Vol. 13, No. 4 : 435 -438


Lorenzo Drago, Ph.D.
Laboratory of Clinical Microbiology, Department of Preclinical Sciences LITA Vialba, University of Milan, Milan, Italy.
Elena De Vecchi, M.S.
Laboratory of Clinical Microbiology, Department of Preclinical Sciences LITA Vialba, University of Milan, Milan, Italy.
Lucia Nicola, M.S.
Laboratory of Clinical Microbiology, Department of Preclinical Sciences LITA Vialba, University of Milan, Milan, Italy.
Elisa Zucchetti, B.S.
Laboratory of Clinical Microbiology, Department of Preclinical Sciences LITA Vialba, University of Milan, Milan, Italy.
Maria Rita Gismondo, Ph.D.
Laboratory of Clinical Microbiology, Department of Clinical Sciences “L: Sacco,” University of Milan, Milan,Italy
Franco Vicariotto, M.D.
UO Ostetricia e Ginecologia, Niguarda Cà Granda Hospital, Milan, Italy.

Objectives: Bacterial vaginosis is characterized by alteration of the normal vaginal microflora, in which a mixed anaerobic bacterial flora becomes prevalent over the population of lacobacilli. Because administration of probiotics might be of some utility in restoring a normal flora, the present study aimed to evaluate the effect of a Lactobacillus acidophilus-strain-based douche on the vaginal environment in bacterial vaginosis.

Patients and methods: In an open-label pilot evaluation, 40 women with bacterial vaginosis as defined by Amsel's criteria were treated for 6 days with a douche containing L. acidophilus. Vaginal smears were collected from the patients and analyzed according to Nugent's criteria at the time of diagnosis, after 6 days of treatment, and again at 20 days after the last treatment. At the same times, determination of vaginal pH and a Whiff test were performed.

Results: The Nugent score decreased significantly from bacterial vaginosis or an intermediate flora toward a normal flora during treatment, and remained low during the follow-up period for almost all of the patients, indicating bacterial vaginosis in 52.5% and in 7.5% of the patients before treatment and at follow-up, respectively. After treatment, significant decreases in vaginal pH were observed, to less than pH 4.5 in 34/40 women, and the odor test became negative in all of the patients.

Conclusions: In this preliminary study, treatment of bacterial vaginosis with a vaginal douche containing a strain of L. acidophilus contributed to the restoration of a normal vaginal environment.

[lori]

"While some bacterial concentrations decreased for both groups, women treated with clindamycin experienced more frequent increases in bacterial concentrations of E. coli than those who were treated with metronidazole."

Taken from here http://www.innovations-report.de/html/beri...icht-35606.html

The Clindesse was my first round of treatment and only made my symptoms worse. This explains why. It gave me the E. Coli over growth. I swear, the more I read about that stuff the more I hate it.

Thanks for that citation, Morphia.

Dr. Sharon Hillier's name comes up a lot when I do my BV research. (She didn't write this, but she's cited in it.) I would sure love to ask her some questions.

Anyway, that definitely convinced me that clindamycin is not good.

[Morphia]

Alright. I took my last Flagyl on Friday (out of a 14 day course). I'm now on Cipro for the e. coli he found in my culture. He did the usual wet prep and Affirm test. And guess what?! The Flagyl did JACK SHIT. And once again, they found a little bit of yeast on the wet prep, but it didn't show up on the Affirm. The BV didn't show up on wet prep but it DID show up on the Affirm. My nurse is just as baffled as me. There's no way this infection is going away and then just returning in such a short period of time. My problem is that it WILL NOT GO AWAY-PERIOD. I also wanted to show this to those of you that have used clindamycin:

"While some bacterial concentrations decreased for both groups, women treated with clindamycin experienced more frequent increases in bacterial concentrations of E. coli than those who were treated with metronidazole."

Taken from here http://www.innovations-report.de/html/beri...icht-35606.html

The Clindesse was my first round of treatment and only made my symptoms worse. This explains why. It gave me the E. Coli over growth. I swear, the more I read about that stuff the more I hate it.

[cinderflower]

Confused.

A few months back, I thought I had “cured” myself of bv with clindamcyin and contuing a daily treatment of pro-biotic supplement, Femodophilis. For the past two months, the smell (which used to be a combo of overwhelming fish and funk). I just ovulated last week, and I could tell this by the egg white type discharge (sorry TMI) for a few days. However, today, I went to the bathroom to find a little wetness in my undies and a very faint ammonia smell. The ammonia smell I also notice last month, but it went away once my period came. But then came back again shortly after ovulation. Am I to assume the BV came back? Can it be BV even though the smell goes away on its own and comes back at the same time every month? Is a slight ammonia smell normal?

Thanks,
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tanten: no, a slight ammonia smell isn't normal if you're talking about the same thing I am: because I've had some other problems that weren't bv and had the same smell. Mine was a community acquired MRSA, which won't kill you like the hospital ones will, but they're very annoying and hard to get rid of. I had to take Rifampin and use weak hydrogen peroxide wash on everything. Bleach doesn't work. But the only way you can tell is if you get it cultured, and unfortunately, a doctor/lab will have to do that. Do you have a gynecologist that you like? This would be a problem for her (well, sometimes they're male and still good). Any discharge with a weird color (kind of a turquoise and or lavender) (yes, I know that sounds kind of pretty) is likely to be pseudomonas. Just another weird common bacteria but in the wrong place, it's very bad. It isn't an STD.) Good luck. (here's the rule I live by: healthy sap doesn't smell.)

[tanten]

Confused.

A few months back, I thought I had “cured” myself of bv with clindamcyin and contuing a daily treatment of pro-biotic supplement, Femodophilis. For the past two months, the smell (which used to be a combo of overwhelming fish and funk). I just ovulated last week, and I could tell this by the egg white type discharge (sorry TMI) for a few days. However, today, I went to the bathroom to find a little wetness in my undies and a very faint ammonia smell. The ammonia smell I also notice last month, but it went away once my period came. But then came back again shortly after ovulation. Am I to assume the BV came back? Can it be BV even though the smell goes away on its own and comes back at the same time every month? Is a slight ammonia smell normal?

Thanks,

[arj75]

Good afternoon everyone,

This is just an idea....but it would be nice if we all made a "blog" and listed what we have tried..for how long...what symtoms you experience..how long you have dealing with bv..tell a joke..tell something about yourself..That way when any of us have time to do research..we have references to look at.. Sassy have you or Jewels ever tried "b" injections? If so, for how long?

[ilovehim]

Thanks Can Can...I just to be sure your product is called L-Theanine and not L-Tyrosine? The reason I'm asking is I want to be sure as I CANNOT take L-Tyrosine because I was recently on Prozac (which my new doctor took me off) but I can't take L-throsine until the prozac is out of my system.

Anyone who is one anti-depressants..You MUST tell your doctor before trying these.

That's something I haven't done. =\

[ilovehim]

Stress does not help you one iota when you are feeling sick. Stress exacerbates an already bad situation. I went to the healthfood store - again. (I feel like I live there. And live on this board!) And I told a salesman that I am battling an infection, and I feel crappy and frustrated. He handed me a bottle of supplements, it said 'promotes relaxation' on the label, and I said to him, what are you giving me these for? I need something to kill infections, not make me sleep. And told me to just try it, it will help with the anxiety of feeling sick.

What he should have done was warn me that they would work extremely well. It's called L-Theanine. It's an amino acid. It's the relaxing component of Green Tea. But without the caffeine. I wasn't going to mention it to anyone, because even though I understand how it works, I don't want people to take the wrong amount. The capsules I have are 200 mg (milligrams) and it is way too much for me. I bought it, took one capsule of it, and then took one cap the next day, and felt great. I almost FORGOT that I even had the infection. I stopped having panic attacks. I don't know if will have the same beneficial effect on anyone else here, but it is worth trying. I was so upset about the BV, it was like a downward spiral, I was feeling more and more depressed everyday. And then this supplement just stopped it cold. I have been taking it every morning with my first meal of the day. Or at lunch time, if I forget. I've been taking it for a week and a half. The first two days made me feel way too happy. I was a bit wary. I mean, you want to feel normal, not feel like you are in Disneyland. So I opened up the caps last week, and split the powder into 5 parts. So that is 200 mg divided by 6 = 40 mg. And that is what I am taking every day. It's a pain to separate the powder like that, but I don't want to go shopping again and look around for a 40 mg cap.

I can relate... The depression and anxiety got so bad for me that I actually had to be put on Zoloft. It worked really well the first week or two but now I feel the effects decreasing. I might need to be put on something else. I also wanted to add that I might be pregnant again and thats a huge stress factor for me right at this point.

I'm so scared that the BV will get out of control like It did when I was pregnant the first time. It was AWFUL!

[arj75]

Also do you guys think that because my partner is uncirumcised that it could be a reason for the recurrance? Just wondering. Its really sad we have to self-diagnose but $20 to the doctor is more than I am willing to do plust he cost of a script! Where is the justice!!!!?????

I just give you my experience...from what I have learned...I gave my partner a UTI the first time we had sex. But they say (most say) that they are not passed that way. I beg to differ. Have him wash with antibacterial soap before entering you. I don't have an STD's maybe it was just a "fluke" that he got a bacterial infection? I don't think so.

[Miamigirl]

Also do you guys think that because my partner is uncirumcised that it could be a reason for the recurrance? Just wondering. Its really sad we have to self-diagnose but $20 to the doctor is more than I am willing to do plust he cost of a script! Where is the justice!!!!?????