[dj-bizmonkey]

anna k- i think getting a breast reduction is most often, completely different from having breast implants. granted, there are probably some large breasted women out there who want to get reductions for pure vanity, but most of the women i know who have done it, did it because they were uncomfortable physically.my best friend had a reduction and said the thing she was looking forward to most was having people look her in the eye instead of straight at her chest. she's also a big time runner and was tired off the constant back pain. i cannot even imagine what it must be like to try and go running with even just a c-cup, let alone d's or e's! it's funny, we've always been obsessed with each others breasts. she always said she wanted some like mine and vice versa. i guess the grass is always greener.... still, more power to you for loving your body the way it is, and as long as you are comfortable and happy, there is no reason to go under the knife. being on either side of the extreme (large or small) can be difficult when we're all expected to fit into this cookie cutter mold of the perfect woman. thanks for posting in here too, i know it's helpful for me to hear it from the other side.

[anna k]

Thank you for posting that story. I used to think of Kari as a ditz, but she sounded so sweet and genuine in that piece.

I've also heard of Nicole Eggert from Baywatch removing her implants after they made her sick.

I'm a large-breasted girl, and sometimes I wish they could shrink so I didn't have to wear a bra all the time or seem freakishly large. But I've had big breasts since I was 13 and reducing them would feel like I was losing a limb, like I was amputating the size and not being used to a C or B size. I was surprised to hear of some famous women who had breast reduction surgery as teens, while they were still growing (Soleil Moon Frye, Jordan Ladd, Drew Barrymore), but two of them are short and maybe their chest size overwhelmed them.

[knorl05]

as we were watching porn last night, we all agreed that the porn star would be so much more attractive if she didnt have those unnatural looking orbs chillin on her chest. dude said "implants are so unnecessary".. oh yeah that's why i keep him around. ok, one of the reasons, not The reason. ha

ps. good quote dj biz. i think there are plastic people for plastic people.. i prefer those who are more real and i know they value that in me as well.

[dj-bizmonkey]

Wow. Thanks for posting that link, karategrrl, seriously. What an incredibly sad story. I still can't get over how the music producer said he liked it when you could see a woman's breasts from the front. Some women do look like that, naturally, and more power to them. They've been blessed by genetics or god or whatever. But I totally aggree with what you said about not wanting huge, unatural implant breasts to be the norm. Whatever happened to variety? Isn't that supposed to be the spice of life? Why would we want all women on the planet to look exactly the same, like an army of Stepford wives. That, to me, is absolutely terrifying. I had toyed with the idea of surgery in the past, but what bothered me most was the fact that I would be undergoing a potentially life-threatening procedure just to please other people. I also didn't want to have to explain myself, justify my actions. I tried to put myself in the position of my friends and family, because I was sure they would want to know why. I couldn't come up with an honest, satisfactory answer for anyone. That decided it for me. If you can't come up with a truly good reason for putting yourself through surgery, then you probably shouldn't be doing it. I think it's sick that parents offer their daughters implants as graduation presents or even for girls as young as 16. These girls aren't even done developing yet! What kind of message are you sending to your daughter when you offer her plastic surgery. 'Well, honey, we really love you, but we'd love you even more if you looked like this.' Please. It is a temporary, superficial solution to a much more deeply rooted problem. We can't expect to change how the world views us as individuals because of our bodies. What we can change is how that opinion affects us. The kind of people who would only be attracted to you based on one body part aren't the kind of people you'd want to get involved with in the first place, so why agonize about trying to please them?

I can't remember the name of this comedian, but he told a joke that stuck with me. He said, 'I love plastic surgery, because it allows people to show on the outside, exactly what they're made of on the inside, plastic.'

[karategrrl]

Hi, all you small-breasted hotties!

I don't know if there's already a link to this somewhere, but this personal story affirms just how and why implants are so disgusting:

http://www.kariwuhrer.net/glamourmag.html

I did my own research awhile back about implants. I had to decide once and for all whether or not I would not go down that road. Basically, what I found is, once you have breast augmentation surgery, you are not "set for life." Even if everything goes perfectly, it will be only the first in at least a few surgeries:

-If anything goes wrong with the initial procedure, you must have it corrected (more surgery/surgeries).
-If you need the implant size adjusted, you will need another surgery (it is pretty common to have to adjust the size until the doc "gets it right.")
-You will eventually have to have your implants replaced; average lifespan is around 8-10 years, I believe (another surgery!)
-If your implants are recalled, they will need to be replaced (another surgery)
-If you decide you don't want them anymore, they have to be removed through--yes, folks--another surgery. (Add a "lift" procedure to the removal procedure to compensate for the now-stretched breast skin). If you have them removed, you will end up smaller than before because the now-scarred natural breast tissue must also be removed.

And...even the most "successful" surgery will leave the skin scarred permanently. More surgeries=more scarring. Ick.

Moral of the story: implants are gross, a disgrace to our society and demeaning to women. I am not against them if it is to, say, replace breast(s) lost to cancer, and I am not against someone getting a lift if breastfeeding has made their boobs go so far down south they are hitting the poor woman's knees. Such procedures aim to RESTORE what naturally existed before. It's the idea of: 1) "fixing" the small-busted and 2) large, fake breasts being established as "the norm" that irritates the crap out of me.

i am happy with my body, but it's the rest of the world (or the media or whatever else) that seems to have a problem with it.

Well said, DJ bizmonkey!

~Karategrr

[knorl05]

dj biz: yep. ignorance. it's disgusting how women/society think we are less advantaged or that our lives arent as fulfilling. that just goes to show their level of intelligence.. i mean really, if a person thinks that the quality of an individual's life has anything to do with one aspect of whom they are, they are sadly misinformed. it's hard to deal with people who have limited ideas about life across the board.. i'm just finally coming to terms with it. they are gonna be stupid, that's just how it is. the only thing i must do is not allow it to affect my self worth or self perception. "i am beautiful no matter what they say"

[anna k]

for example, everyone seems to think that pamela anderson looks great after plastic surgery. i feel that she is hard to look at because she looks scary to me. she was sooo gorgeous before too!

Yes, she looked so sweet and pretty and innocent, I could see how alpha males like Bret and Tommy and Scott would fall for her.

[dj-bizmonkey]

On the one hand, I agree with fantaz. I had a friend in middle school who's mother died after a botched liposuction. You have to consider, are you really willing to die for your own vanity. The breast obsession is a trend and like any trend, it wil fade away eventually and we'll pick something else to be obsessed with. Whether or not that will happen within our lifetime, remains to be seen. However, I don't want to demonize women who opt for surgery. It isn't something I would ever do, but I can't tell some one else what they can or can't do with their body. For me, the occasional anguish or encounter with an unenlightened person who is critical of my small breasts, is worth the small amount of pain it may cause in comparison to the years of pain and suffering, both emotional and physical that can arise from having that kind of surgery. Two website's y'all should visit that I've found helpful, www.siliconeholocaust.org and www.007b.com. Lot's of good information and support for women with breasts of all shapes and sizes.

fantaz, you are dead on, however, when you say that people love you for the real you. whoever you're dating, be they man or woman, they're going to fantasize about other people, be they salma hayek or keira knightley or denzel washington. but it's just that, a fantasy! at the end of the day, who are they with? you, of course! and they are with you because they want to be, because they love you, inside and out. maybe they don't think your body is perfect, but have you ever thought anyone that you dated was absolutely perfect either? let's start being realistic about one another and stop holding ourselves and others to unimaginable standards of beauty.

[fantaz]

I just watched this show on E about celebrities and plastic surgery. even though the people on the show were saying how great breast implants looked, all I could think about was how beautiful the people looked before, and how horrific they look now. for example, everyone seems to think that pamela anderson looks great after plastic surgery. i feel that she is hard to look at because she looks scary to me. she was sooo gorgeous before too! then i started thinking to my self about all the celebrities i know have gotten this surgery done, and i cannot think of ONE case here i thought their breast implants looked good. fake boobs look absolutely disgusing! women always seem to want to go up like 3 cup sizes, and their boobs are all stretched out and don't have any natural shape to them. it literally looks like someone over inflated them to the point that they will bust at any time! why do people want to look like this? in no way is it pretty! who are we kidding ourselves? i would rather be flat then deformed! i'm sorry for this rant, but these people just scare me!

I wish woman would stop doing this to themselves! just love God and yourself as you are, and then you will not feel that you need any of this. if people tell you are flat and disgusting, should you really take them seriously? we are not alone in our insecurity, and neither are they (even if they try and pretend that they think they are perfect). God did NOT mess up when he made you. if you were meant to look different, he would have made you look that way!
just because you may be flat chested/overweight/lack a booty/what have you, does NOT make you unworthy of love! I can guarentee you that you are loved for the REAL you, even if you may not feel it sometimes.

I am sorry if I come across judgemental, that is not my intention! i just wish that this OBSESSION would just die!

[Kitty06]

You know what, I have found this! I had a conversation with a couple of friends once, along the lines of, "If you could have any physical feature of the other two friends, what would it be," initiated by a friend bustier than I. When it came to me, she was absolutely expecting a breast-related answer. I didn't indulge her as it wasn't how I felt at all anyway! I suddenly realised that, thinking about it, I wouldn't have swapped anything.

I honestly think it doesn't occur to some large chested women that we may not be cases for pity!

Anyway, sorry for ranting..

k06

[dj-bizmonkey]

hello ladies! i am brand new new to this whole web forum thing, but i stumbled across this thread in a desperate internet search to sooth my pain. the most disheartening part of my search was being warned by the computer beforehand that i was most likely going to turn up a bunch of porn sites. well, now that i've navigated through that quagmire to this, most positive of places, i want to express some anger that i feel you can all understand.

i am happy with my body, but it's the rest of the world (or the media or whatever else) that seems to have a problem with it. especially when you consider that in the 1980's, in an effort to push forward the clearance of silicone implants, the national association of american plastic surgeons actually classified having small breasts as a 'disease' and a 'deformity' in their official literature to the FDA. so gross, it makes me want to vomit.

so things are changing, kinda, and at least some attention is finally being paid to the booty once again, thank god. but in western culture, we still seem to be obsessed.

here's the thing that makes me angriest, it isn't the shallow ignorance of breast-fetish men or the plastic images of unachievable bodies on the sides of buses. it's the looks of pity and sadness that i get from other women whenever i talk about my breasts. this in particular, REALLY pisses me off. has this ever happened to you, ladies?

i was having a conversation about bras with some of my coworkers, talking about how i never wear one unless it's absolutely necessary. i find them uncomfortable and it isn't exactly like my breasts are flying all over the place, right? so she says to me, 'well, you know, if you've actually got boobs, you definetly want to wear a bra.' excuse me? do I not have breasts at all? are these not nipples under my shirt? they may not cast a shadow big enough to block out the sun, but there is at least some curvature there. i HATE that. it's not the first time some one has made a comment like that. just because they aren't enormous (or even average-size, like a b or a c cup) doesn't mean that they don't exist. ok, i know i'm getting bogged down in semantics here, but is it really that difficult to say something like, 'well, for women with larger breasts......'

anyone feelin' me out there?

[maddy29]

they're just excited to get to see our boobs at all.

so true, so true!!!!!

[girltrouble]

then you won't mind it if i tell you to kiss my ass, pornbot. fuck you.

[knorl05]

here are examples of sexy women who are also sophisticated and intriguing.. katie west and josefine

[knorl05]

i think it's awful that the media has conditioned us to think that we CANT be sexy.. there is so much more to sex appeal than the size of a woman's breasts. sit down and rap with men for a bit, you'll find they find all sorts of things sexy about women. most men i've found dont care about all the silly details we concern ourselves with - they're just excited to get to see our boobs at all.

[edie52]

Anna, I saw that book too- I was so psyched to see Jane Birkin with her tiny breasts (that quite resemble mine) looking so beautiful. I feel like that would never happen now- not in Playboy- though there are some actresses that are small-boobed, considered sexy, and have also done topless scenes- like Kate Hudson, Selma Blair, and Claire Danes come to mind.

[anna k]

I looked at pictures in a book about famous women in Playboy, and the recent pictures look so waxed and sexless and shiny, just terrible in comparison to the 70's pics of hairy women or small-breasted women looking comfortable and sensual. Jane Birkin and Robin Givens are examples of slim, small-breasted women who looked more natural and more sensual than the hyper-sexualized shots of Jaime Pressly (who I like, but not her picture) or Pamela Anderson.

[stephanie_erin]

for me, the whole playboy thing now is just unnatural and creepy looking. half those girls don't even have nipples any more, and if they do, as a female, you KNOW they were airbrushed.
but if you look at some of the old issues, the women aren't straddling horses naked with their fake breasts almost staring at you. the women are placed in more nautral, respectable places and look more beautiful than sexy.
i miss the old pin- ups and 20's flappers. i vote for those fads to come back.

[knorl05]

anonymoose: exactly. and during medieval times it was the corset, which would cause permanent structural damage to their bodies.

i think the new look is rather cold, and uninviting.. and visually it may be beautiful for a moment, but IMO it's just become too typical to be valuable. but you know, we're all different types of people who value different things.

[anonymoose96]

"re: plastic playboy models. it will definitely pass.. it is just the latest beauty trend. unfortunately women have always taken drastic measures to be considered sexy and desirable.. plastic surgery is just on the rise due to the availability (and social acceptance) of the procedures. what i think is so damaging about the latest look of beauty, is that it further lends to objectification of women, by making them look like plastic blow up dolls. they appear to be cartoon characters, or air brushed renditions of the human form, rather than a woman with unique or individual beauty. their images are actually the result of the skilled craftsmanship of doctors and graphic designers, than that of the hands of their creator. and well.. that's just how it is. a man with his own mind will be the one to determine what he considers sexy in a woman. i guess what it ultimately comes down to is that each one of us decides where our priorities lie."

Amen to that Knorl! All of it! In reference to the playboy model look, it too shall pass. In the 1920's when the flapper look was in fashion small breasts were very desirable. more endowed women did what they could to strap the puppies down. It's really not all that different than what many women do now days, it's just at the opposite end of the spectrum is all.