[mornington]

I'm not sure if this is the best place to put this, but it's interesting... via feministing

I'll actually say something about it when I've got more time. Honestly. I just wanted to share.

[godslioness]

I just posted something here, saw it, and now it's disappeared. WTF? ETA - now it's there again.

[mornington]

Glioness, I read that in the paper today (I admit it was in The Sun or the Mail - this is what I get for working for the polis) and all I could think was what the bleeding fuck?! It just strikes me as hellishly patronising as well as idiotic.

I mean, yes, the binge drinking problem exists, and no-one wants to see a random drunken girl's pants on thier night out, but the tone... my oh my. There are better ways to solve this, and talking to women like they're bimbos isn't one of them.

[godslioness]

This really takes the biscuit. "Pants" is British for "panties", by way of explanation:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13532614,00.html

"Nice Pants And A Wax'
Updated: 12:57, Thursday July 13, 2006
Police have warned women setting off for a night on the town to wear "nice pants".
It's in case they fall down drunk in the street and "show off more than you intended".
The advice comes in a Suffolk police safety campaign magazine which shows pictures of young women slumped on the ground.
"If you've got it, don't flaunt it," they are urged.
The magazine adds: "If you fall over or pass out, remember your skirt or dress may ride up.

"For all our sakes, please make sure you're wearing nice pants and that you've recently had a wax."
The article goes on to say it would be better not to get blind drunk in the first place.
Readers are also told to stick with friends, book a taxi home and watch the amount they drink. Officers said the gossipy, tongue-in-cheek style was designed to alert young women to the dangers of getting legless on nights out.
"We need to raise their awareness of potential problems," said Chief Superintendent David McDonnell.
"Women become more vulnerable whilst under the influence of alcohol.""

[freckleface2727]

bkly, I couldn't ask them to leave bc my f-i-l aka the asssss, was staying w/ us (gone today already!!) and the neighbor & his wife were the only ones here; wasn't really a party-party, and yes, I do think they were trying to get a rise out of me.
I took the high ground bc I was raised better than that & damnit, it was just WRONG.

now I admit, I have in the past kidded w/ the neighbor some, til I realised that he was getting meaner and meaner and didn't feel like he was really joking anymore. my guess is that his sisters probly beat his ass when he was a kid and this is payback?

my mom thinks I should have said something, and is more upset that the mr didn't while it was going on, but if there is one thing I no longer expect ( & hence am not disappointed or hurt & upset by it) it's that he will stand up to his father.
ever.
ugly truth but that's how it is and some things you suck up & decide not to let hurt you anymore.

as to the neighbor, I do think I'm going to pointedly talk to him. he knew beforehand that I had issues w/ my f-i-l, and that hurts me that much more.

why these old men would feel threatened by a 35 yr old nothing stay at home Mother I might never know, but you'd think it was comdedy hour at the local bar for all I was the repeated butt of their jokes yesterday.

thankyou all for your words.

maddy- you wear that shirt to the next gathering!!
crap like that makes me Crazi. people sit & judge & condem and never take the time to know what they're really talking about and think they're so smug in their small small worlds.

it is sad, but infuriating too.
makes me want to be ever that much more outspoken about my beliefes and shove it down their ignorant throats but then I'm no better, sitting in judgement of Them, than they are.

dmaned and damned.

[pepper]

freckle, you didn't interrupt, you're welcome here.

so yucky. know what though? they have to live with themselves for the rest of their lives but you get to ignore their existance most of the time. i feel awful for them both, they must hate life and themselves to be so full of spite and venom. sad.

[maddy29]

i'm so sorry that really is awful. it's hard dealing with other people's families. IF it was your own, you could've yelled at your dad, but when it's someone else's, it's hard.

My boyfriend's family is pretty nice all-around, but the grama is racist and occasionally says things about "colored people" in a negative way. my boy is good at changing the subject, but it makes me so uncomfortable. i try to just avoid any political conversations with them.

i don't even think they know i'm a feminist-ha! maybe i'll wear my feminist shirt next time i go over there

do you feel like their goal was to get a rise out of you? or were they enjoying your not saying anything?

people suck sometimes. no wonder i like hanging out alone

[bklynhermit]

how awful...

if that happened to me at a gathering i was hosting, i probably would have politely asked the both of them to leave.

ok, ok, probably not so politely.

i mean, what kind of a world is this when you can attend a party at someone's home, eat their cooking, mingle with their family and friends, etc. and it's somehow ok to viciously insult them and expect to get to continue to enjoy their hospitality? that goes for both your father in law and your neighbor.

[janejane]

Holy crap, freckleface! Kudos to you for not resorting to violence.

[janejane]

Holy crap, freckleface! Kudos to you for not resorting to violence.

[freckleface2727]

ok, I don't mean to bust in w/ this, and I'm sorry if this doesn't belong in this thread (where I admit, I've never been before) but damnit, I gotta vent.


hosted a 4th cookout, my father in law (aka world's biggest mysogninist ass in the first place) & my neighbor, both middly-aged relatively affluent white men, were, for lack of better terms from my sleep depraved mind, picking on me.


I know, unclear. background: my f-i-l & I have a LONG history of bad blood; he's one of those good ole boys from the south (no offense anyone) that lives his life w/ the addage that women should be seen but not heard. really. his wife is totally submissive to him, a point of contention in my marriage over the years to no end, both directly & indirectly. when I married his son I'm sure it was a very dark day in his world bc I am about the antichrist of all things along that line.
and in that vein, we have battled, both openly & covertly well over a decade now. needless to say, family visits are right up there w/ undrugged limb amputation to me


my neighbor. nice enough. professional. love his wife, a strong woman in her own right. but over the years, and esp when my mr was gone, I had noticed that sometimes he'd make mean little comments to me, snide, very similar to what 'the ass' would do,play it off as a joke. unnerved me (bc truthfully I'm not used to Any man being that way & me not tearing his head off ever so sweetly) and made me think I was overly sensative.


well the 2 men got a chance to really Talk yesterday. joy. one started w/ the comments to and about me, and the other seemed to Feed off it.
my f-i-l at this point knows not to mess w/ me,that I will lay him out flat & then some but was really getting his rocks off encouraging my neighbor to act like that. back-slapping, tear wiping hooting & gfwalling, and my neighbor, like he was drunk (no booze) or something, laughing so hard but would cover himself by saying 'I grew up w/ sisters, I'm just picking on her' but you know, there's a point where it's playing, and there's a line where it's Not and everyone knows it.
they were like pack animals, turning on me.
I really believe that they were like 2 old impotent alpha's, threatened by an alpha female, and so they attacked. I kept wanting to shout
'HOW IS THIS O K?!' but didn't want to make a scene bc aside from that, we were having a great time, so by mid afternoon just pointedly avoided both of them. (which is the way I treat the ass anyway regardless all the time).
...I've experienced racism, classism, sexism, all and lot more before, but never Like That.
it turn(s)ed my stomach. I felt Violated by it.
raw. exposed. maybe it was a lesson I needed to learn but right now I'm still hurt and stunned.
I do see that clearly, others percieve me as stronger than I myself do, but what satisfaction or consollation is there in that? knowing that in the future I will likely be so challenged again?
I didn't ask for that. I didn't bait them. hell I didn't even fire back bc I was tying to keep things peaceful.


it's depressing and scares the shit out of me for the world I'm raising my daughter in.



that is all, and thankyou for letting me cut in & get this somewhat out of my mind and out here.
sorry for interrupting.

[natulik]

Okay, this is in Russian....
http://mk.ru/numbers/2255/article78320.htm

but here's a bad Babel Fish transation:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ru_en&url=http:% 2F/mk.ru/numbers/2255/article78320.htm

Basically, the article discusses the advantages and disadvantages of sleeping up the corporate ladder, for both men and women.

I think this is one of the most bigoted piece of writing I've come across in a while....

[vesicapisces]

Father W. protects us from ourselves. I swear, even on my day off I can't escape the nightmare.

[godslioness]

Hmmm I watched Loose Change, and there's lots of food for thought there, but I've seen a more convincing explanation for the collapse of the Twin Towers here:

http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/S/science/engineering/news_towers.htm l

And this is a site that the documentary says it got lots of info from. Scroll down to look at the ads:

http://www.americanfreepress.net/

[bustygirl]

I am double posting this in several threads. Ignore it if you've already seen it, but it's been on my mind for a while now.

At the very least we need to start looking more deeply into the things our government deigns to tell us.


Loose Change

Terror Storm

bustygirl

[katiebelle2882]

if we are going to post links of disturbing stories... get this one from mens news daily. this is an excerpt, but really you should read the whole damn thing.

"Feminists failed broaching the Muslim faith. Indeed, one of the reasons Muslim countries see western cultures as being threatening is due to the fact that all western cultures are radically feminist. We insist on exporting absolutist feminism via every possible channel, and then wonder why Muslims are ready for war against the evil West. Do not mistake me: I am not saying we deserved to be attacked. I am saying that it could easily have been avoided had we said “No� to radical feminism in the 1960’s.

We fear it is a rude insult to the American melting pot when American Muslim women wear a chador. It is not. It is a rejection of feminism. We should take this seriously, and clean our own house of the absolutist feminism that Muslims of both sexes so correctly reject.

When relativists drop the “A� bomb, it is always a ruse to crowbar the creation of immoral policy and law. In the absolutist-feminist playbook, “cooperation� means absolute submission to absolutist perspectives. Any disagreement with feminist mandates is “abusive�. They vociferously declare that conflict is always verboten unless it involves feminists waging war on morals, marriage or fatherhood.

There is no “middle ground�, as Danforth suggests. We are either a moral society or we are not. Feminists win simply by poking one hole in morality, from which Hell spews quickly.

V-Day luna-chicks entirely disregard the fact that women initiate slightly over half of all serious domestic violence. Their circus of emotional rants, demanding guilty-ridden reparations by post-Victorian feminist males, continues to successfully terrorize Congress into funding the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA). As Dr. Steve Baskerville points out, VAWA is the most powerful weapon in the feminist arsenal, most often misused to destroy heterosexual marriage and fatherhood in a complete absence of fact."

heres the whole article

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2006/06/19/how-feminist-absolutism-drives-moral-relativism/


Did you hear that girls? Being against domestic violence RUINS marriages!!!!!

[katiebelle2882]

ok, thats a new one!

[faerietails]

What?! I'd never heard of that until now!

[crazyoldcatlady]

whaaa?

breast ironing

[meetay]

"I AM NOT F***ING WONDER WOMAN!"

How come this is never an issue for dudes? Get over yourself, and learn that you might want to consider reasons why you, the woman, are the one who is expected to stay at home.