[sciongal]

Fem-dophilus. It's a probiotic supplement designed specifically to reestablish healthy vaginal flora. I don't know if it will work for everyone, but I've been taking it for 2 months (2/day), and have been infection free.

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Another topic: I feel bad for pooh-poohing a method that is working for some ladies, but there was something that freaked me out about inserting the flagyl vaginally. I just remembered what it was.

This is an article about Mifeprex or RU-486, the pill that induces abortions. Basically, there are women in the U.S. who have used it and died from a bacterial infection. No one in Europe has died. The difference is that the U.S. women use the pill by inserting it in the vagina:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/23/national...953&ei=5070

No one is sure that's what causes the infections. Also, this is about Mifeprex or RU-486, not flagyl. But the point is that people don't know how these women got their bacterial infections, but that it might have something to do with inserting the pill vaginally when it's not supposed to be used that way.

So about the vaginal flagyl - In my opinion, I don't think it's a good idea. If you want to make sure to put the medication where it needs to be, why not use metrogel? A vaginal gel that contains the same medication as flagyl (metronidazole) already exists, so why use the tablet?

Anyway, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I'm not saying anyone should stop doing this just because I say so, but I do think everyone should hear all the information before making a choice.

Hi Lori,
I understand your concern and with the recent tension on the site, I recognize your posting as your opinion. I have often wondered about any "backlash infection" with the use of vaginal flagyl ( but that hasnt stopped me from ordering it online!!!! ) but having said that, the actions of these two drugs are totally different.... the RU486 is a steroid medication, (not the kind athletes use to build muscle) that is obviously strong enough to effect growing cells, which is probably why the risk of infection is so much greater. Flagyl is an antibiotic and is meant to wipe out bacteria.....good and bad, which is why yeast takes over whenever we use it. just wanted to put out some more info... I'm not sure why the flagyl pill form is working when the metrogel is not, perhaps the pill used vaginally gives the medication in a more concentrated form....peace, all....I really look forward to reading your posts. Happy Mama's Day.

[lori]

I wasn't able to read through all the new pages. Is anyone trying anything new?

Fem-dophilus. It's a probiotic supplement designed specifically to reestablish healthy vaginal flora. I don't know if it will work for everyone, but I've been taking it for 2 months (2/day), and have been infection free.

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Another topic: I feel bad for pooh-poohing a method that is working for some ladies, but there was something that freaked me out about inserting the flagyl vaginally. I just remembered what it was.

This is an article about Mifeprex or RU-486, the pill that induces abortions. Basically, there are women in the U.S. who have used it and died from a bacterial infection. No one in Europe has died. The difference is that the U.S. women use the pill by inserting it in the vagina:

A woman who died in Canada after taking Mifeprex during clinical testing in 2001 also suffered from a Clostridium sordellii infection. No similar deaths have been reported in Europe, where Mifeprex is widely used. But in the United States, most physicians give Mifeprex and an accompanying drug, misoprostol, in a regimen that involves inserting misoprostol vaginally.

Federal drug regulators have not approved this regimen, but it is not unusual for doctors to use drugs differently from how they are officially approved. Studies indicate that this regimen is effective, requires a lower dose of misoprostol, and allows women to undergo the most emotional and painful part of the procedure at home. What is unknown is whether it may somehow contribute to bacterial infections.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/23/national...953&ei=5070

No one is sure that's what causes the infections. Also, this is about Mifeprex or RU-486, not flagyl. But the point is that people don't know how these women got their bacterial infections, but that it might have something to do with inserting the pill vaginally when it's not supposed to be used that way.

So about the vaginal flagyl - In my opinion, I don't think it's a good idea. If you want to make sure to put the medication where it needs to be, why not use metrogel? A vaginal gel that contains the same medication as flagyl (metronidazole) already exists, so why use the tablet?

Anyway, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. I'm not saying anyone should stop doing this just because I say so, but I do think everyone should hear all the information before making a choice.

[jewelscando]

Hello Ladies..And Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers!

Well it's been soooo long since I checked in..Do we have a cure yet ? I wasn't able to read through all the new pages. Is anyone trying anything new? The last time I was in here I think Jewels or Neverending had success with the Flagyl pills inserted orally. Are you guys still doing that? My BV is still here and OMG it's getting hot outside..ewww

Someone please provide any updates..Thanks!

AUTUMN!!! WOW, it's so nice to see some of my old girls back!!! Flagyl VAGINALLY is working wonders for me!! It's not a 100% cure, however, it keeps the B.V. away for months at a time, and just takes 1 pill for me if it peaks through. Estroil is working wonders for Pianogirl and Neverending. I will be trying that next myself!! Great to see you, hope this helps!!

Pianogirl, can you give me the website you buy the Estroil from?

Thanks!! HAPPY MOTHERS DAY LADIES!!

[NotCatEyed]

I read that you can use garlic clove vaginally for BV? Isn't this a yeast treatment? I just finished another (round 2) three day flagyl insert thing, and it didn't work. I'm looking for somehting else non antibiotic. Ugh, I do have more flagyl and I could try again....but, it seemes silly at this point. Any advice on the garlic would be helpful.

Also, tensions are clearly high when discussing these personal matters, but my impression is noone intended to offend during that little disagreement as of late, and I hope it wont cause future caution to meaningful dialouge because I really liked all the ideas I got from people here.

[autumnbreeze]

Hello Ladies..And Happy Mother's Day to all the mothers!

Well it's been soooo long since I checked in..Do we have a cure yet ? I wasn't able to read through all the new pages. Is anyone trying anything new? The last time I was in here I think Jewels or Neverending had success with the Flagyl pills inserted orally. Are you guys still doing that? My BV is still here and OMG it's getting hot outside..ewww

Someone please provide any updates..Thanks!

[lori]

THOSE that feel like they don't want to try whatever is suggested here do not have to....

For the record, NO ONE SAID Morphia has to do ANYTHING. People have made multiple suggestions to Morphia, to try and help her. She DOES NOT HAVE TO DO ANY OF THEM.

I'd also like to point out that it is Morphia who began the confrontation with both me and Jewelscando. All I said was: "No one said [Morphia] does not also have BV." THE END. That was not a confrontation, it was a statement of fact. She chose to become offended by it and jumped down our throats.

I understand that she is stressed and frustrated. But she shouldn't take it out on this board. Many posters (including me) have offered her encouragement and thoughtful suggestions. The fact that she does not agree with any of our suggestions is a simple DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. There is no reason for her to become angry because we do not agree with her.

[pympmama1]

HI

everyone I peek in every once and I while to see how everyone is doing... I don't alway have a need to post but today I feel I must...... What has happened to the Hope and support I alway seem to find here..... My understanding... in the many months that I have been here... This board is to help each other that have this problem.....Finding new inventive idea that may help us..... from estriol to hp to boric to vaginal flagy.....I love this board because it let me know I am not alone in my fight for a cure..... This board is not about snipping condescensions or strife....We all fall prey to down moments about this common problem that we all have... but for the most part.... we vent and then try something new..... THOSE THAT ARE CONSTANT NAY SAYERS SHOULD LEAVE..... i am here to be cured or temporarily reprieved of this problem......by what ever inventive methods that may arise be it vaginal flagy,estroil,hp,boric,or tea tree suppositories. THOSE that feel like they don't want to try whatever is suggested here do not have to....

[lori]

So....all I was saying is, stop asking. We've given you our answer. OBVIOUSLY, we are wrong, therefore, let your doctor tell you what it is. We say it's yeast. NO MATTER HOW YOU FRASE YOUR QUESTION, IT WILL STILL BE YEAST TO US.

That about sums it up. (Thanks Jewels.)

Morphia, you told us you have THICK WHITE DISCHARGE, BURNING, and your vagina smells like pizza. Unless it's a special bread-less pizza, this means your vagina SMELLS LIKE BREAD. So the conclusion is? All signs point to YEAST. That is anyone's best guess.

So do we THINK you have yeast? Yes. But do we KNOW you have yeast? NO. You know why? Because even doctors can't diagnose anyone over the internet.

We've given you our best guesses and our best suggestions. And you've shot down all of them. Which is okay, you don't have to listen to anything anyone says in here. It is your body. But after you've pissed on every single suggestion, what do you expect anyone in here to say?

And besides, don't you have a gyno appointment next week? Your gyno doctor is going to be your best source. Nothing anyone tells you on this board is going to be more helpful than a doctor who actually examines you.

I should never hear, "Stop asking questions if you don't like the answers." I AM listening. You're just not listening to me.

No, everyone IS listening to you. Based on everything you told us, we gave you our conclusion. It may not be correct, but it is the BEST answer anyone can give you over the internet.

If I didn't get a yeast infection when I was on the Clindesse then I certainly don't have a yeast infection on the flagyl, since it spares more lactobacilli than the Clindamycin does.

It would depend on whether you had the same amount of lactobacilli at both times. Since you don't know that, you can't make the conclusion that you cannot have yeast after using flagyl.

Then there's the fact that I'm already on Diflucan as a preventative.

And another poster already pointed out that Diflucan doesn't kill all strains of yeast!

See, YOU are the one who's not listening.

I really don't know why you're so resistant to the idea that you might have yeast. I don't care if you have yeast or not, but your reasoning for why you absolutely do not have yeast don't make any sense.

I should be able to come here and ask questions without being attacked and told not to ask questions.

Morphia, I am sorry that you are hurt. But you should still know that you have been difficult as well. People have been very kind to you for a while, but they got fed up.

People have been listening to you, and they gave you their best suggestions. I have been reading this board, and I can see that they really want to help. But you just keep telling everyone that they are wrong, no matter what they say.

It's true, we may all be wrong. No one here can know exactly what is going on in your body. So why keep asking?

[jewelscando]

MORPHIA, Sorry if you took it the wrong way. You have to understand that, you keep ASKING QUESTIONS, over and over and over again, and WE ARE ONLY TRYING TO HELP, but everytime we say something, you HAVE AN OPPOSITE ANSWER for it.

So....all I was saying is, stop asking. We've given you our answer. OBVIOUSLY, we are wrong, therefore, let your doctor tell you what it is. We say it's yeast. NO MATTER HOW YOU FRASE YOUR QUESTION, IT WILL STILL BE YEAST TO US.

I don't know what to tell you. Because you aren't open to any of our suggestions. There is no, HOLYIER then Though attitude. Trust me, My kitty smells like fish, there's no holiness about it!!!

AND WTF, why are you jumping down my ass. I made one statement...just backing up Lori.

WOW, THIS BOARD IS GETTING STRESSFULL!!

NEVERENDING!! GREAT TO SEE YOU!! I MISS YOU!!

[Morphia]

Lori is right. We are NOT PROFESSIONALS HERE. Although we are becoming experts in the B.V. world, we all still have not come up with a 100% cure, or a 100% reason why.

Morphia. Lori is right. Flagyl OR ANY antibiotic for that matter, CAUSES YEAST. You will get you answer when you go back in and the doctors says it's yeast. Everything you are saying is the signs and symptoms of that. ALL OF US HAVE HAD B.V. and YEAST at the exact same time. However, Monistat DOES NOT cure B.V., therefore, that is why you have to treat the B.V. with antibiotics, and you can use over the counter for the Yeast.

Either way, Lori is right. You are not wanting to listen, which you shouldn't. We aren't your doctor. But stop asking questions, if you don't like the answers.

Wtf? Jewels I really respect you, but you can be way too harsh sometimes. This is supposed to be a place of support. I should never hear, "Stop asking questions if you don't like the answers." I AM listening. You're just not listening to me. I don't know how many times I have to tell you guys that this is my body and I know it. I know what yeast feels like for ME and I know what bv feels like for ME. I know what it feels like to have BOTH at the same time. And this feels like BV. When I went in last time (to the doctor) after the Clindesse you guys kept telling me it was yeast and guess what, It wasn't! I've never had text book symptoms for pretty much any illness I've ever had in my life besides strep throat. When I had VIN it presented itself like herpes. I've always been very hard to diagnose and am extremely unlucky in that respect. If I didn't get a yeast infection when I was on the Clindesse then I certainly don't have a yeast infection on the flagyl, since it spares more lactobacilli than the Clindamycin does. Then there's the fact that I'm already on Diflucan as a preventative. I've also said more than three times on here that my bv presents with yeast like symptoms which is exactly why I and my doctors thought I was having recurring yeast infections for over a year until I finally got a test. I should be able to come here and ask questions without being attacked and told not to ask questions. Its the only place I have to go. I figured you guys would be more understanding. But all I'm getting is this "holier than thou attitude". That's no way to treat someone who comes here for your support. I don't want to have to leave this board. But I don't want to be denigrated either. At this point I'm pretty torn, because this is my sanctuary right now. Thanks for making me feel like a stupid piece of shit and like I don't know my own body. I honestly don't mean to come off as a bitch right now but honestly, your comment hurt me.

[jewelscando]

Lori is right. We are NOT PROFESSIONALS HERE. Although we are becoming experts in the B.V. world, we all still have not come up with a 100% cure, or a 100% reason why.

Morphia. Lori is right. Flagyl OR ANY antibiotic for that matter, CAUSES YEAST. You will get you answer when you go back in and the doctors says it's yeast. Everything you are saying is the signs and symptoms of that. ALL OF US HAVE HAD B.V. and YEAST at the exact same time. However, Monistat DOES NOT cure B.V., therefore, that is why you have to treat the B.V. with antibiotics, and you can use over the counter for the Yeast.

Either way, Lori is right. You are not wanting to listen, which you shouldn't. We aren't your doctor. But stop asking questions, if you don't like the answers.

[lori]

I've done enough research on yeast that I don't need to ask questions here about that.

If you've done yeast research, you would know that antibiotics can also cause yeast infections. So if you've been taking flagyl, it's possible you've got yeast now, even though you didn't before.

There is no need to get virulent here. I haven't asked for any suggestions other than what antibiotic should I take next.

No, that's not true. In any case - Metronidazole (aka Flagyl) & Clindamycin. That's it for treating BV.

If you want something else, you should ask your doctor.

I know BV is discouraging to everyone here. (I really, really KNOW.) But I think you have a more defeatist attitude than most. Like saying, "I know the flagyl is NOT going to work ..." even before you started taking it. You are under the care of a doctor, at least - some ladies here don't even have that.

Yes, it is your body. And you have a doctor. There is no one here who's going to be able to diagnose and cure you because we are not your gyno doctor looking between your legs. And since you have another appointment next week, just ask him/her about the burning and the thick white discharge.

But when you say "burning and the thick white discharge ..." 50 times a day, all anyone can tell you is "yeast" and "monistat." We already know you have BV, because you told us so (and we believe you!) and you're taking flagyl for that. So there's nothing else to do.

So to sum up:

- you may have yeast; try monistat (but you refuse, and it's probably too late, since you shouldn't use it too closely before a gyno appointment)
- if flagyl doesn't work, try clindamycin (but you can't)
- probiotics (but they don't work for you either)

There. That's it. You can keep asking, but there's not much more to say. Every suggestion you've been given - you either refuse or can't use. Well, there's only so much a message board can do. You can't squeeze blood from a stone.

So there's nothing left for you to do now, but just wait for your next gyno appointment.

[bvgirl]

Exactly! I'm going to experience bv differently than everyone else. And obviously I am. I'm also not the only one that experiences burning as a symptom. If you go back and read some of the recent posts you'll see that. I've had burning with my bv since day one and I did not have yeast at the time. There is no need to get virulent here. I haven't asked for any suggestions other than what antibiotic should I take next. I've done enough research on yeast that I don't need to ask questions here about that.

Hello Morphia,

I hope you find relief because I know and all of us know how frustrated you are. Get better sweetie..We are here for you

[Morphia]

its your body

Exactly! I'm going to experience bv differently than everyone else. And obviously I am. I'm also not the only one that experiences burning as a symptom. If you go back and read some of the recent posts you'll see that. I've had burning with my bv since day one and I did not have yeast at the time. There is no need to get virulent here. I haven't asked for any suggestions other than what antibiotic should I take next. I've done enough research on yeast that I don't need to ask questions here about that.

[bvgirl]

Hello everyone i did the the flagyl orally and vaginally no smell.

Hello, Paige

I may try doing it that way when needed and or if my current product stops working for me.. I just have to do a trial and error with how much and how long to use it.

[lori]

I just don't understand why you're arguing with me about this. When I was first diagnosed with bv it looked so much like yeast that's what the doctor thought I had. It was thick, white, and pasty. And the reason I refuse to treat myself for yeast is because that's just flat out dangerous to do without confirmation from a doctor. Studies are starting to show that its because of self diagnosis and self treatment that we have these resistant strains of Candida Glabrata and Tropicalis out there. The OTC meds are more dangerous than they are good.

I'm not arguing with you about anything. I said - "No one said you didn't also have BV." This is a statement of fact, NOT AN ARGUMENT.

Anyway, the reason "self diagnosis and self treatment" is bad is because women are self-treating and NOT going to the doctor and delaying proper treatment. You are going to see a doctor, and you said s/he even gave you Diflucan! So treating yourself with an OTC yeast treatment shouldn't be dangerous for you at all.

Me, and other ladies in here have repeatedly suggested you may have yeast, based on the fact that you have BURNING and THICK discharge. It's a very reasonable and sound conclusion. You refuse to believe us, which is fine. It's your body. But all anyone here can do is just tell you what they think and give you suggestions.

If you refuse all suggestions, there's really no point is continuing to ask for them, is there?

[Morphia]

No one said you didn't also have BV.

I just don't understand why you're arguing with me about this. When I was first diagnosed with bv it looked so much like yeast that's what the doctor thought I had. It was thick, white, and pasty. And the reason I refuse to treat myself for yeast is because that's just flat out dangerous to do without confirmation from a doctor. Studies are starting to show that its because of self diagnosis and self treatment that we have these resistant strains of Candida Glabrata and Tropicalis out there. The OTC meds are more dangerous than they are good.

[neverending]

ILOVEHIM: Have you ever noticed the watery discharge before? I had the exact same thing happen to me and I fixed my problem with Estroil. I'm not the only person cured from this horrible discharge. Pianogirl also fixed this problem with estroil too. You might want to try it.

[lori]

Trust me. The bv is still there. I have a mixture of both thick and thin discharge.

No one said you didn't also have BV.

[ilovehim]

i'm feeling soooo much better on Zoloft. I'm no longer constantly worring about my smell. Finally, i'm not paranoid about being stinky! It might not be the cure to the problem but it sure takes away alot of stress so I can finally be myself again! =)

I'm still taking the flagyl orally twice a day. I noticed yesterday that when I first stand up in the morning, I have a gush of watery discharge expell from my pussy. What is this? is it because of the antibiotics? I don't remeber that happening before.