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> Bacterial Vaginosis--or--embarrassing bad smell
neverending
post Jul 27 2007, 08:41 AM
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QUOTE(Italianwife88 @ Jul 27 2007, 02:48 AM) *
Hey guys, I know you havent seen me in a while, sorry. been busy i guess.

So ive been taking the boric acid treatment for almost 2 months now, nearing the end of the treatment it seems like its not responding anymore. I dont know whats going on, everything is getting worse. I started smelling strongly again and have some digestive problems. constipation and some blood and mucus in my stool. I've been eating activia yogurt which helps alot. I'm still not able to see my doctor. I'm going to pick up some b complex vitamins tomorrow, sounds like those really work and are essential. I dont know what treatment to try, I wish i at least had insurance to keep seeing a doctor. My kidneys also hurt sometimes, I hope i dont have stones. I wish i had the money just to get everything checked out. It's depressing that I have to live with this right now. That or just let medical bills go to collection. I feel so lost and depressed about it.


Drink green tea, mint tea, or oat straw tea. Once in the morning on an empty stomach and before bed. That's how I improved my digestion. You could also do lemon water in the mornings. I was told that if you drink cold drinks with food it puts the fire out. If you get what I'm saying?

If you have blood in your stool, please see a doctor and rule out colon cancer. I don't mean to scare you. Many years ago before I got rid of the bv, I also had blood in my stool but not all the time. I also use to see mucous. I went to the doctor and did the finger check (good gawd).
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arj75
post Jul 27 2007, 06:50 AM
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Hello Ladies,

I was doing some reading this morning.. I googled "high estrogen dominance" I found a very interesting article.

http://www.womentowomen.com/menopause/estrogendominance.asp

It doesn't only just discuss menopause.

"overall estrogen levels in men and women are too high because of xenoestrogens- chemicals in the environment that mimic estrogen in our bodies and act as endocrine disruptors even at minute concentrations"

Scientific study of wildlife - specifically, frogs and fish- is proving this unfortunate reality to be without doubt.
In an interesting twist, researchers worldwide have observed that fish in our lakes and rivers are actually switching genders due to high levels of effluent estrogens. Even though mainstream media has only begun to recognize this as "news" experts have been discussing the problem of pharmaceutical pollution for over 25 years, and have known about gender-bent fish for more than a decade. Some surmise these changes to be caused in part by excessive levels of steriods- largely excreted by humans using birth control pills and hormonal replacement therapy. Our water treatment facilities are not designed to remove hormonal pollutants.

A co-worker of mine brought up this for discussion yesterday.....Prozac (most widely used in America) secondly in Europe. Yeah, Prozac is in their water and I don't think you all want to know at what levels.

But on a happy note, there are still things one can do to protect herself from hormonal problems...good diet, reduce stress, exercise.

It's a good article too read in your spare time, very informative.
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arj75
post Jul 26 2007, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(neverending @ Jul 26 2007, 02:00 PM) *
Good Article smile.gif
How is everything going for you arj75?


I'm still BV free for now, couldn't be happier. The fact that I can sleep and I'm able to function is amazing in itself. I'm fearing now that I'm gonna turn into sleeping beauty and not wake until my prince arrives! lol

How are things going for you?
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arj75
post Jul 26 2007, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE(Italianwife88 @ Jul 26 2007, 09:48 PM) *
Hey guys, I know you havent seen me in a while, sorry. been busy i guess.

So ive been taking the boric acid treatment for almost 2 months now, nearing the end of the treatment it seems like its not responding anymore. I dont know whats going on, everything is getting worse. I started smelling strongly again and have some digestive problems. constipation and some blood and mucus in my stool. I've been eating activia yogurt which helps alot. I'm still not able to see my doctor. I'm going to pick up some b complex vitamins tomorrow, sounds like those really work and are essential. I dont know what treatment to try, I wish i at least had insurance to keep seeing a doctor. My kidneys also hurt sometimes, I hope i dont have stones. I wish i had the money just to get everything checked out. It's depressing that I have to live with this right now. That or just let medical bills go to collection. I feel so lost and depressed about it.



Italianwife,

The state I live in has a program called "Cardinal Access" basically, they base your doctor fees on your income. Check and see if your state has a program like that, many do.
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Italianwife88
post Jul 26 2007, 07:31 PM
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Hey guys, I know you havent seen me in a while, sorry. been busy i guess.

So ive been taking the boric acid treatment for almost 2 months now, nearing the end of the treatment it seems like its not responding anymore. I dont know whats going on, everything is getting worse. I started smelling strongly again and have some digestive problems. constipation and some blood and mucus in my stool. I've been eating activia yogurt which helps alot. I'm still not able to see my doctor. I'm going to pick up some b complex vitamins tomorrow, sounds like those really work and are essential. I dont know what treatment to try, I wish i at least had insurance to keep seeing a doctor. My kidneys also hurt sometimes, I hope i dont have stones. I wish i had the money just to get everything checked out. It's depressing that I have to live with this right now. That or just let medical bills go to collection. I feel so lost and depressed about it.
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neverending
post Jul 26 2007, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jul 26 2007, 02:32 AM) *
For those of you that are trying to fight off depression, or anxiety from this bv battle....

The B-complex vitamins..not only are they destroyed by alcohol, nicotine, birth control, anti-depressants, and stress..but also caffeine? and refined sugars?....but you don't have to take my word for it.....

http://depression.about.com/cs/diet/a/vitamin.htm
This article also stated vitamin B5 (pathothenic acid) is needed for hormone formation.


Good Article smile.gif
How is everything going for you arj75?
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arj75
post Jul 25 2007, 07:15 PM
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For those of you that are trying to fight off depression, or anxiety from this bv battle....

The B-complex vitamins..not only are they destroyed by alcohol, nicotine, birth control, anti-depressants, and stress..but also caffeine? and refined sugars?....but you don't have to take my word for it.....

http://depression.about.com/cs/diet/a/vitamin.htm


This article also stated vitamin B5 (pathothenic acid) is needed for hormone formation.
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post Jul 24 2007, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jul 22 2007, 08:53 AM) *
I think, that for some women...100 mg..might not be enough..depending on your stress level. I take 800 mgs daily. I decided to go to sublingual because i have digestive problems as well, and I thought I would benefit more from sublingual because it's liquid or can be in found in louzenes (sp lol) too. And I thought it would easier for my body to absorb. I switched from tabs to sublingual ONE WEEK ago.


I just bought some B-6 sublinguals today. But I could only find something called Coenzymated B-6, 17 mg (from 25 mg pyridoxal-5-phosphate). That's what's written on the bottle. So is that 17 mg or 25 mg? And has anyone found a higher mg pill? Or should I just pop four of them at a time to get the 100mg?
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post Jul 23 2007, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jul 21 2007, 08:56 PM) *
Since I have been taking sublingual B-complex....I have been able to sleep (lack of B = insomnia)
Since I have taking sublingual B - my chest pains and heart palpitations have almost disappeared
Since I have been taking sublingual B- I have not had an asthma attack
Since I have been taking sublingual B- my anxiety has been lifted GREATLY


I am going to take extra B Vitamins and see what happens. I really hope it helps with my heart palpitations. They keep me up at night, which is not a good feeling.
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post Jul 23 2007, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(j4sonl33 @ Jul 20 2007, 04:32 AM) *
One 100mg tablet of B6 daily with a full glass of water = No more BV.


I have been taking one B-Complex Vitamin everyday for the past 4 months. So looking at the label that would be only 50mg per day. I will buy the extra B6 and see what happens... Thanks!
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arj75
post Jul 23 2007, 05:21 AM
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I don't know if any of you had read the article that neverending had found...but when the women that were hospitalized to treat their BV (what country was that I don't remember Sweden?)....vitamin B1 and vitamin B6 were administered into their IV's. Also, in one of those articles...I don't remember which one, it was stated that some women with BV did have higher yeast counts than their controls. And they did claim that no testing was done in regards to yeast found in their biofilm.

From a lot of case studies I have read, it said women with BV, or vaginal problems period...were always low in vitamins B1 and B6. But I don't understand this....how can you test for water soluble vitamin defiencies...when they are excreted on a daily basis.....it would vary from day to day....... I have been told by countless doctors that you cannot test for water soluble. (I'm not saying that they were right) we already know most are dumbass's anyways.
B12 (considered water soluble..but actually the body can store this one (in liver?)..) it is the only one that I was aware of you could test for........
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post Jul 23 2007, 02:15 AM
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QUOTE(sassy @ Jul 23 2007, 01:09 AM) *
Joanna--I'm glad it worked for you, but I know several girls on here used it with no results whatsoever. Someone also found out that the company itself has been in trouble (I don't remember why...it was a million pages ago in this thread) and that they are a bit shady. I personaly think boric acid would work just as well and it's super cheap.


This is from the Rip-off Report about the makers of Enzara:

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/137/ripoff0137787.htm

They have an unsatisfactory record at BBB:

http://search.bbb.org/Results.aspx?n=Selme...&st=&z=

(I'll update my blog with this info. later.)


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post Jul 23 2007, 01:52 AM
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Joanna--I'm glad it worked for you, but I know several girls on here used it with no results whatsoever. Someone also found out that the company itself has been in trouble (I don't remember why...it was a million pages ago in this thread) and that they are a bit shady. I personaly think boric acid would work just as well and it's super cheap.
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post Jul 23 2007, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE(i @ Jul 21 2007, 02:24 PM) *
I also went out and bought the b6 yesterday. I am going to try taking that once a day along with the BA for 14 days. I am still curious about Enzara. Has anyone tried it? I bought it off of ebay but have not received it yet.



I bought it. it works great for me. It has changed my life. I hate to sound like a drama queen but it's true. But if I stop taking it I smell again.
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post Jul 23 2007, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE(i @ Jul 21 2007, 02:24 PM) *
I also went out and bought the b6 yesterday. I am going to try taking that once a day along with the BA for 14 days. I am still curious about Enzara. Has anyone tried it? I bought it off of ebay but have not received it yet.

I bought Enzara about 3 months ago, i started suffering from bv about 5 years ago. It has truly helped me out. I have to swallow 4 pills a day but it's worth it. Sometimes i smell but nothing compared to before. I can come home from work and have sex and not have to worry because I don't smell anymore. I have eliminated sugar from my diet cause as you know bacteria feeds of of sugar. I notice that when I eat alot of sweets I smell. Another reason for the smell is cause of yeast. It grows in your body and is very hard to kill. it also makes you smell. I have tried my best not to eat anything with alot of sugar and combined with Enzara it's almost unreal. You do not have to have a yeast infection to have yeast in you. Normally when you suffer from bv you also suffer from a yeast overgrowth. I also take probiotics on a regular basis. I believe that Enzara is just to treat bv not to cure bv.
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post Jul 22 2007, 05:18 PM
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UPDATE:

I've done 12 nights of the 14 nights of Cleocin and my symptoms are still the EXACT SAME. It has done jack shit. I'm just has burny and red and inflamed as I was in the beginning. Its as if I never used the shit. It looks like I need to rule out herpes next...
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post Jul 22 2007, 11:47 AM
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Here's the piece of that article that has me convinced that B6 is the answer:

"Vitamin B6 must be obtained from the diet because humans cannot synthesize it. PLP plays a vital role in the function of approximately 100 enzymes that catalyze essential chemical reactions in the human body."

Enlightening, isn't it?
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post Jul 22 2007, 11:43 AM
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Hey girls, here's some more great info on B6:

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminB6/

Looks like the FDA has set a tolerable upper limit of 100mg per day and further research shows that going beyond that amount has no added benefit, either. I would just stick to 100mg a day (with water and a multivitamin). Bear in mind that my case study consists of exactly ONE person, but she had chronic BV for 7 years straight and now it's gone (it looks like arj75 may be a success story also).

Sure beats yogurt and rat poison ;-)

Best wishes,
Jason
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post Jul 22 2007, 06:36 AM
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[quote name='6efox' date='Jul 22 2007, 06:35 AM' post='162623']
I am now convinced that the anti-depressants has been the culprit.... I do want to go off it but probably not a good idea to do it right now. I need to take them for at least 6 months for it to be effective or something...? It's now been 6 months.. maybe I need it for a month or two.. my mum thinks they'll do me more damage than good but I think they are helping... I get nasty side effects when I forget to take them for a day or two though.....

Anyway.. I'm definitely going to have trouble with "A"....

arj75 - how long have you been taking the B-complex tablets for...? And is it absorbed better if you take them that way...?? (I've always wondered why and how that worked..)

6efox

I have been taking B-complex since the day I joined this forum...I don't remember when that was though. lol But, in the very beginning..I was only taking 1 tab a day...which wasn't doing jack-shit. Furthermore, when I did decide to increase my supplements....I still wasn't taking them with a full glass of water. However, I do drink a whole hell alot of water. I think, that for some women...100 mg..might not be enough..depending on your stress level. I take 800 mgs daily. I decided to go to sublingual because i have digestive problems as well, and I thought I would benefit more from sublingual because it's liquid or can be in found in louzenes (sp lol) too. And I thought it would easier for my body to absorb. I switched from tabs to sublingual ONE WEEK ago.
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post Jul 22 2007, 04:18 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jul 22 2007, 10:56 AM) *
If Jason is correct, and I believe he is!
Do you all think that if we really want to get better we need to
A. quit drinking (it stops vitamin B absorbtion)
B. Quit taking birth control (it effects B absorbtion)
C. Quit smoking (loss of vitamin B"s)
D Maybe quit taking the anti-depressants (they effect vitamin absorbtion, and alter our chemistry...(the only reason I was on antidepressants was BECAUSE of BV..if that is not the reason any were taking them in the first place..then obviously, not a good choice to stop.
Everything he has said..adds up..for me, I know.
Since I have been taking sublingual B-complex....I have been able to sleep (lack of B = insomnia)
Since I have taking sublingual B - my chest pains and heart palpitations have almost disappeared
Since I have been taking sublingual B- I have not had an asthma attack
Since I have been taking sublingual B- my anxiety has been lifted GREATLY
Since I have been taking B Complex- I have not been stinking, nor any discharge.

I have the feeling the mini blog will need to be posted very shortly.


I am now convinced that the anti-depressants has been the culprit.... I do want to go off it but probably not a good idea to do it right now. I need to take them for at least 6 months for it to be effective or something...? It's now been 6 months.. maybe I need it for a month or two.. my mum thinks they'll do me more damage than good but I think they are helping... I get nasty side effects when I forget to take them for a day or two though.....

Anyway.. I'm definitely going to have trouble with "A"....

arj75 - how long have you been taking the B-complex tablets for...? And is it absorbed better if you take them that way...?? (I've always wondered why and how that worked..)

J4son - You are seriously a saviour to us all. Thanks for all your work and advice!!
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