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neverending
post Jul 5 2007, 12:07 PM
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I did my second acupuncture treatment today and all I can say is that I am soooooo sleepy. Geez, I didn't know it makes you feel like this. As far as hormones, I have no clue where they are right now.I have an appointment on the 23rd so I should have tests done then. Has anyone else tried Acupuncture before?
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post Jul 3 2007, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jul 2 2007, 12:46 AM) *
so we all know that recurrent bv could be caused by screwed up hormones...CANCAN recently found out that she had hypothriodism. I'm very sorry about that too! But I'm sure that you are, CANCAN already aware that hypothyriodism effects your sex hormones too! So hopefully, things will get balanced out for you soon. Did they tell you yet as to how long it will take for the medications to kick in? Can you take these meds while pregnant?


Thanks arj75 for all the info. I don't smoke, don't drink, don't eat bad food. My main flaw is that I stress out easily. So my conclusion is that this problem is caused by stress. It is at least exacerbated by stress. I know this, because everytime I feel stressed the BV comes back, or gets worse. And yes, I have hypothyroidism, but as you said, hypothyroidism can be caused by stress as well. So what came first the chicken or the egg? Looks like I will be doing addition testing like Free T3 and Free T4, just to try to see what kind of hypothyroid I have.
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post Jul 3 2007, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jul 2 2007, 12:46 AM) *
so we all know that recurrent bv could be caused by screwed up hormones...CANCAN recently found out that she had hypothriodism. I'm very sorry about that too! But I'm sure that you are, CANCAN already aware that hypothyriodism effects your sex hormones too! So hopefully, things will get balanced out for you soon. Did they tell you yet as to how long it will take for the medications to kick in? Can you take these meds while pregnant?


If I get pregnant, the doctor told me that I will have to take progesterone needles for the duration of the pregnancy, to keep levels elevated high enough. And for the thyroid, she told me that she only wants to give me medication for that once I get pregnant. But she also told me that she didn't understand my levels, and that she wants to test me for my thyroid again, just to double check.

But now that she did these preliminary tests on me, I am thinking that I should go to a specialist. A reproductive endocrinologist to find out more.
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post Jul 3 2007, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(Morphia @ Jul 3 2007, 06:26 PM) *
I just saw a new doctor today and she said that I probably have something called Desquamative Inflammatory Vaginitis (DIV). She took cultures just to make sure that there is nothing more specific going on. I'll find out about the results in a week or more. If it is DIV she intends to treat it with.....CLINDAMYCIN cream and estrogen cream for a couple of WEEKS. Yes, I'm scared. But I'm going to do it anyway. Its simply due to the fact that this doctor told me something I'd never heard of that I have confidence in her. I'm sure if I told my other doctors about this they wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about. Here is a google search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf...amp;btnG=Search


I hope that is your cure Morphia!

Thanks Neverending for that link..never heard of him...no surprise as to why. I believe it.

Happy fourth of July to all! Be safe! And may the smell of sulfur(or whatever that firework smell is lol) overpower our stinch!
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post Jul 3 2007, 05:09 PM
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I just saw a new doctor today and she said that I probably have something called Desquamative Inflammatory Vaginitis (DIV). She took cultures just to make sure that there is nothing more specific going on. I'll find out about the results in a week or more. If it is DIV she intends to treat it with.....CLINDAMYCIN cream and estrogen cream for a couple of WEEKS. Yes, I'm scared. But I'm going to do it anyway. Its simply due to the fact that this doctor told me something I'd never heard of that I have confidence in her. I'm sure if I told my other doctors about this they wouldn't know what the hell I was talking about. Here is a google search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&saf...amp;btnG=Search
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neverending
post Jul 3 2007, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jul 3 2007, 02:05 PM) *
Constant stress suppresses ovarian cycles and decreases estradiol, testosterone, progesterone and DHEA production.

A stress-induced decrease in estradiol then contributes to an imbalance in norepinephrine, serotonin, dopamine, acetylcholine, and other brain body messengers that regulate pain pathways, sleep, muscle repair, appetite, metabolism, memory, mood, energy, sex drive, and other functions.

Prolonged stress of any kind (illness, emotional) disrupts the body's balance, or homeostasis, and causes symtoms related to the constant overactivity of the fight or flight stress response pathways- headaches, muscle spasms, fatigue, fuzzy thinking, high blood pressure, IBS, colitis, angina,eczema,frequent infections, irregular periods, acne, weight gain,allergies, hives, herpes, outbreaks, anxious/panicky feelings, insomnia, depression, angry/irritable moods, heart disease, and cancer.

prolonged stress can lead to suppression of the ovaries.

Viruses, bacteria, and carcinogens alone do not cause illness in every exposed individual.

This is where my "out there" yeast theory stills fits in. Stress dumps lactic acid..which breeds yeast. I believe it is cause of disease because why? It's mainly christian scientists begging for this to be recognized.
Researchers are afraid they might be right.


Of course they are afraid! The medical profession makes millions off of us. Since you are reading this, you might want to read about Hulda Clark and Dr. Royal Rife. Hulda Clark is classified as a quack but her theories are becoming reality. Dr. Royal Rife found the cure for cancer and other things as well.
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arj75
post Jul 3 2007, 06:48 AM
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Constant stress suppresses ovarian cycles and decreases estradiol, testosterone, progesterone and DHEA production.

A stress-induced decrease in estradiol then contributes to an imbalance in norepinephrine, serotonin, dopamine, acetylcholine, and other brain body messengers that regulate pain pathways, sleep, muscle repair, appetite, metabolism, memory, mood, energy, sex drive, and other functions.

Prolonged stress of any kind (illness, emotional) disrupts the body's balance, or homeostasis, and causes symtoms related to the constant overactivity of the fight or flight stress response pathways- headaches, muscle spasms, fatigue, fuzzy thinking, high blood pressure, IBS, colitis, angina,eczema,frequent infections, irregular periods, acne, weight gain,allergies, hives, herpes, outbreaks, anxious/panicky feelings, insomnia, depression, angry/irritable moods, heart disease, and cancer.

prolonged stress can lead to suppression of the ovaries.

Viruses, bacteria, and carcinogens alone do not cause illness in every exposed individual.

This is where my "out there" yeast theory stills fits in. Stress dumps lactic acid..which breeds yeast. I believe it is cause of disease because why? It's mainly christian scientists begging for this to be recognized.
Researchers are afraid they might be right.

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arj75
post Jul 3 2007, 06:22 AM
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Marijuana

disrupts brain centers that regulate hormone production

Luteinizing hormone is suppressed (doesnt rise during ovulation

has two chemicaLs in it that compete with estradiol for binding at the estrogen receptor

elevates prolactin

increases anxiety

heart palpitations

disrupts normal immune function

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post Jul 3 2007, 06:07 AM
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Alcohol

Women have less enzymes that breaks down alcohol, so its really hard on our bodies (even social drinking)

alcohol disrupts the normal menstrual cycle and causes problems with ovulation

lowers production of estradiol and testosterone (early menopause)

impairs brains GnRH pulse generator that triggers proper release of FSH and LH

menus cycle length shows greater variability

have cycles ..but don't ovulate

heavier menstrual flow and more painful

drinkers suffer more from PMS


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post Jul 3 2007, 05:44 AM
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Sorry if this has already been said.

Cigarette Smoking:
Reduction in the ovaries ability to make estradiol

Increased metabolic breakdown of estradiol by liver enzymes that are induced (made overactive from smoking)

been known to cause early menopause

diminished serotonin production

decreased blood flow and nutrients to cells

reduces red blood cells oxygen carrying capacity

decreases absorbtion of vitamins (especially group b vitamins)

nicotine increases anxiety and irritability

(while sleeping) when body is withdrawling..leads to more frequeny awakenings and loss of stage 4 sleep that is crucial for muscle repair, growth horomone secretion, and keeping the brain healthy, among other restorative functions
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post Jul 2 2007, 04:16 AM
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Hi all - newbie here.

I've just introduced myself on the newbie thread, but i'm just popping up to say hi. smile.gif

Thanks for all the info here re BV on possible ways to manage if not cure the problem.

Hopefully i'll be able to contribute my experiences to the thread and together we'll find a solution.

Thanks again.

Alec.
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arj75
post Jul 1 2007, 10:29 PM
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Hey everyone,

so we all know that recurrent bv could be caused by screwed up hormones...CANCAN recently found out that she had hypothriodism. I'm very sorry about that too! But I'm sure that you are, CANCAN already aware that hypothyriodism effects your sex hormones too! So hopefully, things will get balanced out for you soon. Did they tell you yet as to how long it will take for the medications to kick in? Can you take these meds while pregnant?

Get this shit, Although, I have asked two doctors if there is such a thing as prehyperthyriodism..they all chuckled..oh no no. Well guess the fuck what..yes it does exist, but a different type of test (looking for a certain anitbody) has to be done. I have an appointment with an endo specialist in two weeks. This condition also fucks up sex hormones too. I'm really not hoping to have this..but I guess if it's still in the pre..then it hasnt done much damage yet.

That book that I told you all I got explains these conditions in it too. It was espensive though, but maybe your public library has it. I'm just scared some girls are gonna get the birthcontrol meds and make matters worse! I'm hoping you guys will read this, it is very helpful.

Just because women have came in here crying "I've seen every kind of doctor possible, and still not having luck..let's face it...theres one good man out of a million...theres one good doctor out of a trillion, it's not bv that is our hardest obstacle..it's finding a doctor who has brain and keeps up on research, and cares about their patients (if ours is hormonal..in a sick short of way...we might be the lucky ones....

On the back of the book..one woman's said this: "Everywomen in America should read this book. After bouching from doctor to doctor for well over a year with symptoms of anxiety, insomnia, and heart palpitations, Dr Vliet correctly diagnosed my hormonal problems. She gave me my life back!

Well, thats me..I'm sitting here wide awake after taking 2 xanax, and a lunesta, tylenol pm (2) What the fuck else could it be other than my hormones....???

I will be adding some tid bits from this book when i get some time...I want to make sure doctors arent feeding you all shit, like they keep trying to feed me all the damn time!

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neverending
post Jul 1 2007, 04:40 PM
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INTERESTING MESSAGE BOARD FOR THOSE WHO ARE AND HAVE BEEN ON BIRTH CONTROL:
http://www.healthboards.com/boards/archive...p/t-116174.html
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post Jul 1 2007, 03:37 PM
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QUOTE(anitsirhc @ Jul 1 2007, 03:02 AM) *
whenever i go to get checked for bv i tell them that i want to get tested for an infection. and they ask me if i have any symptoms of one.

jewels is a pap smear the same thing they do when they check you for bv? i always thought it was different... or do they find it on a pap smear too? because originally i thought it was on a pap smear and then the doctor told me it wasn't. i don't know i'm confused now!


Well, I was just giving her something to say when she called. She could just say, she thinks she has an infection, but is not sure, but then they might ask her symptoms. I think she was trying to avoid saying she had a "Fishy Smell" to a stranger over the phone.

Here's how Doctors diagnosis B.V.

Diagnosis. A healthcare worker can examine a sample of vaginal fluid under a microscope, either stained or in special lighting, to detect the presence of the organisms associated with Bacterial Vaginosis. They can make a diagnosis based on the absence of lactobacilli, the presence of numerous "clue cells" (cells from the vaginal lining that are coated with Bacterial Vaginosis organisms), a fishy odor, and decreased acidity or change in pH of vaginal fluid.

For some of you newbies...here's a website that may be helpfull. Just to pre-warn...when trying something for your infection...stick to one thing at a time...don't spend days and days, sticking crap up your kitty.. Everyone is different, so what works for you, may not work for me and vice/versa. But whatever you try, give it a chance, before trying something else. Otherwise..you will not know exactly what it was that helped you.

http://bacterialvaginosisrecurrent.com/fiv..._that_work.html
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post Jun 30 2007, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(cynmcclelland @ Jun 30 2007, 06:45 PM) *
Hi all! i am a *newbie* here with a question, and let me warn you it may be the dumbest question you have ever heard!! part of that is because i go to the gyno as little as humanly possible (i know its not good but i hate it!) okay now...

**i have never had any problems with *smell* until i started having sex with my husband, now all of a sudden i have this horrible fishy smell and itch, and very very rarely i get dishcharge (not often but it happens). i was reading through the threa and i saw a lot of women had success with boric acid, but part of me (i will admit, the smarter part of me) says to go see my gyno to make sure nothing serious is going on. ANYWAYS here is the dumb part....before you were diagnosed with BV and all you had was the symptom of the *smell* when you called to make your gyno appt and they asked for the reason of the appt...what did you say? i mean i dont really want to say to some stranger on the phone well i smell like fish *lol* ..........


whenever i go to get checked for bv i tell them that i want to get tested for an infection. and they ask me if i have any symptoms of one.

jewels is a pap smear the same thing they do when they check you for bv? i always thought it was different... or do they find it on a pap smear too? because originally i thought it was on a pap smear and then the doctor told me it wasn't. i don't know i'm confused now!
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post Jun 30 2007, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE(cynmcclelland @ Jul 1 2007, 12:00 AM) *
Thanks!

i have one more question...and *caution* this might be *TMI*

does your partners *size* have anything to do with vaginal infections.... like i said i never had a problem until my husband...and he is much larger then the men ive been with in the past...and if that does cause a problem is there truly anything you can do about it?.


THANKS FOR ASKING!!! YES!!! For some I should say!! But I can only speak about myself. Mine was definatley due to size. My B.V. started when I started dating my ex boyfriend, who is LARGE.. I personally feel, it had to do with the number of times we would have sex....which caused me to become RAW...which opened myself up for bacteria to get in....So, yes, definatley.. What can you do about???? hahahahahah...well, I would suggest using lubrication maybe, so that you don't get raw...and use some preventative. I'm not real good on the preventative stuff that the girls take, Probotics and such, so...GIRLS...CAN YOU GIVE HER SOME ADVICE??!!
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post Jun 30 2007, 05:43 PM
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Thanks!

i have one more question...and *caution* this might be *TMI*

does your partners *size* have anything to do with vaginal infections.... like i said i never had a problem until my husband...and he is much larger then the men ive been with in the past...and if that does cause a problem is there truly anything you can do about it?.
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post Jun 30 2007, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(cynmcclelland @ Jun 30 2007, 10:45 PM) *
Hi all! i am a *newbie* here with a question, and let me warn you it may be the dumbest question you have ever heard!! part of that is because i go to the gyno as little as humanly possible (i know its not good but i hate it!) okay now...

**i have never had any problems with *smell* until i started having sex with my husband, now all of a sudden i have this horrible fishy smell and itch, and very very rarely i get dishcharge (not often but it happens). i was reading through the threa and i saw a lot of women had success with boric acid, but part of me (i will admit, the smarter part of me) says to go see my gyno to make sure nothing serious is going on. ANYWAYS here is the dumb part....before you were diagnosed with BV and all you had was the symptom of the *smell* when you called to make your gyno appt and they asked for the reason of the appt...what did you say? i mean i dont really want to say to some stranger on the phone well i smell like fish *lol* ..........


WELCOME ABOARD CYNMCCLELLAND!!

DEFINATELY GO TO THE DOCTOR!!! When you call, just state that you need to make an appt for a pap smear. You dont have to tell a stranger about your smell...Definately go first though, because the first time I had this YEARS AND YEARS AGO... The medicine they gave me, Flagyl vaginal gel took mine away for about 5yrs!! So...if you can catch this soon enough...you may get lucky and it might not become re-occuring!!

As far as the Boric Acid goes, alot of woman have had great success with it!! HOWEVER...you need to see your doctor first to determine if what you have is truly Bacterial Vaginosis...Not treating this infection properly can cause serious health issues...so, find out first if this is what you have. Once you've taken the prescription, and GOD FORBID you have re-occuring B.V.. then it will be time to start thinking of other alternatives. If you check out Lori's blog, under her signature...she offers TONS of ideas, and gives you examples of what the ladies have used, side effects, etc.

GOOD LUCK AND LET US KNOW HOW EVERYTHING GOES!!!
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post Jun 30 2007, 04:28 PM
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Hi all! i am a *newbie* here with a question, and let me warn you it may be the dumbest question you have ever heard!! part of that is because i go to the gyno as little as humanly possible (i know its not good but i hate it!) okay now...

**i have never had any problems with *smell* until i started having sex with my husband, now all of a sudden i have this horrible fishy smell and itch, and very very rarely i get dishcharge (not often but it happens). i was reading through the threa and i saw a lot of women had success with boric acid, but part of me (i will admit, the smarter part of me) says to go see my gyno to make sure nothing serious is going on. ANYWAYS here is the dumb part....before you were diagnosed with BV and all you had was the symptom of the *smell* when you called to make your gyno appt and they asked for the reason of the appt...what did you say? i mean i dont really want to say to some stranger on the phone well i smell like fish *lol* ..........
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post Jun 30 2007, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(Italianwife88 @ Jun 30 2007, 12:28 PM) *
Thanks. if i put one in and used a tampon would the tampon just absorb all the medicine? seems like a lot of it just comes out anyways.


sorry i forgot to answer that. i only used a tampon while on yeast arrest once or twice and it was when i had to because i was going to the beach. so if i were you i would just try to not use them, again call your doctor and ask cause i never asked anyone (like i never called the company or anything.) also, the white discharge you have is most likely the boric acid coming out. is it watery? then it's the boric acid...
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