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karategrrl
post Sep 24 2010, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(strongirl @ Sep 24 2010, 01:03 PM) *
Guy, you and I differ there, dude - I LOVE football!!!

And I'd be AOK with the chicks football thing IF:

1) There was a variety of body types as previously stated.
2) The NFL guys played in Speedos. And nothing else.

In my dreams...literally.

Seriously! I could get over all the objectifications of women if it existed equally in the genders. Awhile back I went on a search to see if there were any women's mags whatsoever (with the exception of Playgirl, of course) that had male pictorials in them, like the men's magazines have of women, no matter what the topic.

None. Zero. sad.gif
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post Sep 24 2010, 08:03 AM
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Guy, you and I differ there, dude - I LOVE football!!!

And I'd be AOK with the chicks football thing IF:

1) There was a variety of body types as previously stated.
2) The NFL guys played in Speedos. And nothing else.

In my dreams...literally.

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karategrrl
post Sep 24 2010, 07:13 AM
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QUOTE(buttercups @ Sep 23 2010, 08:18 PM) *
but at the same time why do women keep feeding into this crap?? we women are perpetuating it by participating in it! they can't do "lingerie football" without women willing to wear the lingerie! I wish we would stop being our own worst enemies and start respecting ourselves so that men will!

AMEN, sistah!!!!! I SO feel you. Seriously, no wonder men learn this kind of crapola is okay. And yes, it wouldn't be so offensive if at least there was more body variety. (I wonder if implant rupture is s concern among the players, snicker...)

It does look like many of the women are playing the game seriously, but wearing THAT? It boggles my mind that many of these players, I suppose, really think they are showing women's empowerment. I mean, there's totally nothing wrong with being body-proud, but for a rough sport like football to be played in bras and hotpants, it's such an obvious gawk show it's ridiculous. Compare that to female professional volleyball players--they're just about as naked, but the nature of the sport dictates totally restriction-free gear. (Not to mention they're not all gussied up with sparkles and eyeliner.)
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post Sep 23 2010, 08:22 PM
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To be completely honest, I'm so-so on the lingerie, but I hate the football. Boring as shit as far as I'm concerned. I do wish that they'd select a wider variety of body types though. I mean, if we're going to objectify can we at least get a little variety tongue.gif


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post Sep 23 2010, 03:18 PM
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but at the same time why do women keep feeding into this crap?? we women are perpetuating it by participating in it! they can't do "lingerie football" without women willing to wear the lingerie! I wish we would stop being our own worst enemies and start respecting ourselves so that men will!
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post Sep 23 2010, 03:16 PM
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ughhh, that makes me so mad!
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karategrrl
post Sep 23 2010, 12:10 PM
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Arrrrgh, just what the world needs--another vehicle for the objectification of women.

http://www.lflus.com/
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KeraBear
post Sep 22 2010, 07:49 AM
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LMFAO! You peeps are terrible... but in a good way. wink.gif
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post Sep 20 2010, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(karategrrl @ Sep 20 2010, 09:48 AM) *
Yep, porn IS a really hot button--touches everyone in some way (or should I say some touch themselves, ha)?!



No comment tongue.gif

@Kera: insert either "you're MOM hijacked this thread" or "you can hijack my thread any day" comment here.


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post Sep 20 2010, 11:48 AM
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Yep, porn IS a really hot button--touches everyone in some way (or should I say some touch themselves, ha)?!
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KeraBear
post Sep 17 2010, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE(just_a_guy @ Sep 15 2010, 02:06 PM) *
On a side note, I don't think anybody said kera overreacted because it bothered her that her BF was looking at porn. I know I suggested that she might have reacted more agressively than she would have over just pornography because of the other things going on in her life at that particular moment (only kera can truly answer that one).


Yea, my really bad day made me react more aggressively for sure. How would i reacted on a normal day? I dunno. But my feelings were real anyways. I just could have expressed them better.

Ha ha, i highjacked this thread singlehandedly for awhile, didn't I? So true that porn is a hot button issue... fortunately Starship showed up just in time to bring the topic around to more fun things! Nipple tassles, anyone? LOL!!

And on Karategrrl's last comment. Umm... ouch? *shudders*

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post Sep 17 2010, 08:22 AM
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Was it the one with the artist who was casting them in plaster?

Hmmm, no, don't remember that. Though I saw it on YouTube so maybe it was not the full version?

Hope this is not TMI, but a few days ago I had a mole removed from near my naughty bits (that's why I was at the GYN). Even with a local anesthetic, it HURT. I cannot imagine the pain of actually having part of your labia cut off.
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post Sep 16 2010, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(karategrrl @ Sep 16 2010, 12:54 PM) *
The doc was made in the UK, though I'm not there. Someone posted a link to it in the "vages of all shapes and sizes" thread.


Was it the one with the artist who was casting them in plaster?


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post Sep 16 2010, 02:54 PM
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Out of curiosity, are you in the UK? (or was the documentary you saw produced there?) I ask because I've seen a a number of documentaries out of the UK on just that issue (and in particular how the procedure is on the rise in the UK) in the past few years, and in progressively younger women.

The doc was made in the UK, though I'm not there. Someone posted a link to it in the "vages of all shapes and sizes" thread.
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post Sep 16 2010, 09:12 AM
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Hahaha, that is AWESOME. let us know how it turns out.

And I apologize, JAG, in my comment about hypocrisy in the male species. Of course there are hypocrites of every gender. I was venting. It's just something that personally, honestly I've seen in a ratio of a billion to one in favor of men. Maybe that has (unfortunately) just been my personal experience, and I do acknowledge that.

This is remotely related to breast size (in the sense of body acceptance)--I was at my friendly GYN yesterday and I mentioned a documentary I'd seen about labiaplasty, and how women get the impression there's something wrong with their naughty bits becuase they're comparing their bodies to ALTERED images. My doc said he has young girls come in to him asking him to "trim" them a little, then went on to describe a doctor at the hospital he works who was dismissed for doing just that, and he said the hospital "would not tolerate that nonsense," etc. and went on to vent a bit about how stupid it is for people to judge their bodies and to say how much variety there is and how it's all good, etc. He didn't know about the porn/photoshopped images thing, so I told him about it--he really listened intently.

I must say my respect for him went up a serious notch yesterday. I started out with a female gyno and kind of went to him reluctantly at first. I've come to really like him.



No harm, no foul. I'm sure I've done the exact same thing at one point or another (probably when venting about divorce or custody laws that blindly favor women) and, on the particular issue of porn, you may be right that there is significantly more hypocrisy in men. I tend to have the idea stuck in my head that more men than women are hypocritical about reciprocating oral sex (which may or may not be true, I honestly don't know), but the truth is that it's based on anecdotal data at best, so I try to state that when I start running my mouth about it.

I try my best to be objective when I rant tongue.gif

Out of curiosity, are you in the UK? (or was the documentary you saw produced there?) I ask because I've seen a a number of documentaries out of the UK on just that issue (and in particular how the procedure is on the rise in the UK) in the past few years, and in progressively younger women.

To bring the thread fully back on topic, a friend of mine forwarded a link to me about a documentary entitled "My Small Breasts and I," but I haven't had a chance to watch it through yet.


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post Sep 16 2010, 07:17 AM
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QUOTE(starship @ Sep 15 2010, 10:35 PM) *
Anywho, I only really popped in to tell you all that i ordered some......NIPPLE TASSELS! lol. To be honest it was only an impulse buy to make an online order enough to qualify for free postage, but I'm still a bit excited. Should be fun to try...

Hahaha, that is AWESOME. let us know how it turns out.

And I apologize, JAG, in my comment about hypocrisy in the male species. Of course there are hypocrites of every gender. I was venting. It's just something that personally, honestly I've seen in a ratio of a billion to one in favor of men. Maybe that has (unfortunately) just been my personal experience, and I do acknowledge that.

This is remotely related to breast size (in the sense of body acceptance)--I was at my friendly GYN yesterday and I mentioned a documentary I'd seen about labiaplasty, and how women get the impression there's something wrong with their naughty bits becuase they're comparing their bodies to ALTERED images. My doc said he has young girls come in to him asking him to "trim" them a little, then went on to describe a doctor at the hospital he works who was dismissed for doing just that, and he said the hospital "would not tolerate that nonsense," etc. and went on to vent a bit about how stupid it is for people to judge their bodies and to say how much variety there is and how it's all good, etc. He didn't know about the porn/photoshopped images thing, so I told him about it--he really listened intently.

I must say my respect for him went up a serious notch yesterday. I started out with a female gyno and kind of went to him reluctantly at first. I've come to really like him.
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post Sep 15 2010, 05:35 PM
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Hmm, I'm undecided on the porn issue. I kind of agree with everyone lol. Each relationship is different though so I couldn't 100% say I don't mind my bf watching porn/that I would ask him not to etc. I definitely couldn't see myself with someone who was obsessive and couldn't live without it. I think it would get to me too much on my down days.

Anywho, I only really popped in to tell you all that i ordered some......NIPPLE TASSELS! lol. To be honest it was only an impulse buy to make an online order enough to qualify for free postage, but I'm still a bit excited. Should be fun to try...
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post Sep 15 2010, 01:06 PM
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Hey buttercups, it was really interesting to read your take on things. I 100% agree that if you are not comfortable with your BF looking at porn, and he feels that you don't have a right to weigh in on his decision, then you are probably not compatible. I just don't think either of you are wrong.

I think that is equally true regarding what karategrrl said (although I do take issue with attributing hypocrisy solely to men. Hypocrites come in all shapes sizes colors, and genders). Everybody has there own definition of what porn is. I personally don't care if a girl I'm dating wants to sleep on a stack of Playgirls (or something more hardcore for that matter) in place of a mattress. Personally, it's that level of security that I have to have in order to know the relationship is healthy. I know myself, and I know that if I'm feeling insecure about that, or about my girl hanging out with her guy friends, or any of the other stuff that people get bent out of shape over, then it points to a deeper problem of trust within my relationship, and that is what I need to address.

Beyond the issue of personal insecurity, porn is one of those hot-button issues (in the same vein as abortion, religion, or political alignment) for some people. My mother can't stand it. She thinks it is absolutely degrading to women, and hates the idea of it. At the same time, I doubt that she has had any real exposure to it. My sister, simultaneously doesn't mind it at all. She thinks that, while there may be problems with the reality of the porn industry and the forces that motivate women into performance, there are quite a few women in porn who should be feminist figureheads, ostensibly refusing to allow patriarchal dictation of what they do with their bodies, express themselves sexually, or earn their living.

I can certainly see the validity of both arguments. I also agree that ugly dudes detract significantly from the viewing experience. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten any word back on whether or not I can step in and replace them yet (maybe I need an agent).

On a side note, I don't think anybody said kera overreacted because it bothered her that her BF was looking at porn. I know I suggested that she might have reacted more agressively than she would have over just pornography because of the other things going on in her life at that particular moment (only kera can truly answer that one).

SG - way to out my porn habits in front of a room full of women tongue.gif


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post Sep 15 2010, 08:38 AM
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Thanks SG! *blushing* "Because they are willingly naked." Ha ha... tru! I guess if i preferred anything at least let my BF appreciate the amateur form. You know, something "real" instead of that fake airbrushed crap

hey i really enjoy the reading the different perspectives from you alll good stuff!
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post Sep 15 2010, 08:38 AM
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Lapis, that was a very profound and refreshing perspective and I thank you for posting it. The idea that it would be concerning to be attractive to one's partner just because of being a "type" is one I hadn't really thought about but it's valid and I know I'll think about it more. And the things you said about appreciating the uniqueness and energy and chemistry between you. That perspective dismantles the whole pressure to be someone's perfect ideal or the epitome of their body type preference - powerful stuff! Forget perfection. It's the magic between you that matters.

My bf has a huge collection of pics of women and I've always had a positive reaction to the amazing variety in his collection - it conveys to me that he likes women, period. He has more "candid" or amateur stuff than actual "models" and few fake boobs. These women have flaws - chub, weird proportions, etc. He still likes to look at them and why? Because they're willingly naked.

Kera - you are so cool and that bf of yours sounds like a keeper. You are light years ahead of most people your age and for that matter, any age.
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