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melis19750
post Oct 8 2010, 10:15 AM
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hey everyone just an update
so Tindamax is def better than flagyl as far as side effects go. My side effects are so minimal. Just some irritable bowel issues. As far as the drug working, that Im not sure about yet
Im not noticing a major odor anymore or thick discharge- not yeast discharge, but the bv discharge (it differs in women, some its watery, some its thicker)
but I wont know for sure until Monday after my follow up exam. Im done with the Tindamax Saturday. =)
have a good day everyone
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post Oct 7 2010, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 7 2010, 01:09 PM) *
It's a trend in the health community that vaginal infections are just things that women have to deal with, and vaginal infections aren't being taken as seriously as they should be. Women don't talk about it much. Women find it embarrassing; women are even too embarrassed to talk to their doctors about it. All you see on T.V. is those Monistat commercials; there should be commercials on bacterial vaginosis as well, it is more common then yeast infections. Men sit around making jokes about vaginal odors and neglect to realize that a vaginal odor isn't something to laugh about, if anything, they should be aware that a vaginal odor could mean something is wrong. It wasn't until it was discovered that bacterial vaginosis caused premature labor that the medical community finally took the time to research it. Prior to that, there was nothing on bacterial vaginosis.

What needs to change is the social stigma about talking about vaginal health. If more people get talking about it, more knowledge about vaginal health will spread. And that would probably help tons of women prevent these infections in the first place.

How many rounds of antibiotics have you taken Yme? I hope your gynecologist can finally get you the treatment you need smile.gif



Thank God for your post. The part when men make fun of smelly vagina odors and such really angers me. I take showers sometimes 3 times a day but the smell just make me feel so dirty.

I have had 5 rounds of the Metrogel, it just doesn't work for me. It wont clear anything up, the discharge nor smell. I dont know how this is going to end but I hope next week I can finally get some answers. Keep ya posted.
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post Oct 7 2010, 02:05 PM
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Check this out:

http://www.femalepatient.com/html/features/031_03_010.asp
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post Oct 7 2010, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(yme30 @ Oct 7 2010, 12:16 AM) *
Probiotics are too expensive to not work in a timely fashion. If it takes more than 6 months ( which is way too long anyway but our diets are all wired differently) then Its a waste of money and time and not to mention a major disappointment for us.

I have put out tons of money on many different probiotics and every single time I was checking out at the register shelling out the 20 dollar bills was breaking my heart and my pockets. I have bought the store version, online version, popular version, refrigerated, millions and 10 billion versions, all for nothing.

Same with the Metro-gel or Flagyl pills and cream. That shit doesn't work and 25 dollar co-pays, plus scripts add up when you visit the doctor 3 times in one month.

Honest, this is my 5th doctor visit in two months and I decided to try a man doctor because for some strange reason women who examine my vagina think because they have one, that they should all work the same and the remedy is an antibiotic that REALLY DOESN'T WORK!!!!!! ITS GETTING OLD!!!

Well yesterday my new MAN DOCTOR did a DNA-probe test which I am very thankful for. I see him in one week and I will then know for sure what the hell is going on with me.

I am talking about my body and my doctors and my experience with other methods, everyone isn't the same I dont mean any harm, discouragement, or encouragement. Night all Keep ya all posted[/size]

It's a trend in the health community that vaginal infections are just things that women have to deal with, and vaginal infections aren't being taken as seriously as they should be. Women don't talk about it much. Women find it embarrassing; women are even too embarrassed to talk to their doctors about it. All you see on T.V. is those Monistat commercials; there should be commercials on bacterial vaginosis as well, it is more common then yeast infections. Men sit around making jokes about vaginal odors and neglect to realize that a vaginal odor isn't something to laugh about, if anything, they should be aware that a vaginal odor could mean something is wrong. It wasn't until it was discovered that bacterial vaginosis caused premature labor that the medical community finally took the time to research it. Prior to that, there was nothing on bacterial vaginosis.

What needs to change is the social stigma about talking about vaginal health. If more people get talking about it, more knowledge about vaginal health will spread. And that would probably help tons of women prevent these infections in the first place.

How many rounds of antibiotics have you taken Yme? I hope your gynecologist can finally get you the treatment you need smile.gif


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post Oct 6 2010, 11:16 PM
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Probiotics are too expensive to not work in a timely fashion. If it takes more than 6 months ( which is way too long anyway but our diets are all wired differently) then Its a waste of money and time and not to mention a major disappointment for us.

I have put out tons of money on many different probiotics and every single time I was checking out at the register shelling out the 20 dollar bills was breaking my heart and my pockets. I have bought the store version, online version, popular version, refrigerated, millions and 10 billion versions, all for nothing.

Same with the Metro-gel or Flagyl pills and cream. That shit doesn't work and 25 dollar co-pays, plus scripts add up when you visit the doctor 3 times in one month.

Honest, this is my 5th doctor visit in two months and I decided to try a man doctor because for some strange reason women who examine my vagina think because they have one, that they should all work the same and the remedy is an antibiotic that REALLY DOESN'T WORK!!!!!! ITS GETTING OLD!!!

Well yesterday my new MAN DOCTOR did a DNA-probe test which I am very thankful for. I see him in one week and I will then know for sure what the hell is going on with me.

I am talking about my body and my doctors and my experience with other methods, everyone isn't the same I dont mean any harm, discouragement, or encouragement. Night all Keep ya all posted[/size]
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post Oct 6 2010, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 5 2010, 01:58 PM) *
You bought your Fem-D off of the internet? Did you make sure it was shipped cold? I know places, such as the Vitamin Shoppe that sell it for under $20 and you also earn store credit for each purchase. I live in Massachusetts. You should check for one in your area ... or maybe a health food store. $38 is pretty high; I don't even pay that much for RepHresh Pro-B. There were a few women that took Fem-D and it didn't work, but that could be for a number of reasons. You should start off taking it twice a day for one week, and decrease your dose to once a day until it's finished. I have hope that it will help you because it has helped many so long as they continued taking it.


I brought it from Whole Foods directly out of the fridge. I accidentally picked up the 60 capsules instead of the 30 capsules so I believe that is why it cost so much. I will definitely check out Vitamin Shoope in my area. It has only been 3 days, each day I have taken 2 pills so far so good no discharge. In order for me to get a real idea I'm going to wait until after a have another period (3weeks). Hopefully this was all I needed! Thanks for the help in the advise!
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post Oct 6 2010, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 5 2010, 01:58 PM) *
You bought your Fem-D off of the internet? Did you make sure it was shipped cold? I know places, such as the Vitamin Shoppe that sell it for under $20 and you also earn store credit for each purchase. I live in Massachusetts. You should check for one in your area ... or maybe a health food store. $38 is pretty high; I don't even pay that much for RepHresh Pro-B. There were a few women that took Fem-D and it didn't work, but that could be for a number of reasons. You should start off taking it twice a day for one week, and decrease your dose to once a day until it's finished. I have hope that it will help you because it has helped many so long as they continued taking it.


I brought it from Whole Foods directly out of the fridge. I accidentally picked up the 60 capsules instead of the 30 capsules so I believe that is why it cost so much. I will definitely check out Vitamin Shoope in my area. It has only been 3 days, each day I have taken 2 pills so far so good no discharge. In order for me to get a real idea I'm going to wait until after a have another period (3weeks). Hopefully this was all I needed! Thanks for the help in the advise!
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post Oct 5 2010, 10:34 PM
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found these while doing some fun online research
http://www.druglib.com/druginfo/tindamax/abstracts/
Improved cure of bacterial vaginosis with single dose of tinidazole (2 g), Lactobacillus rhamnosus GR-1, and Lactobacillus reuteri RC-14: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial.

Author(s): Martinez RC, Franceschini SA, Patta MC, Quintana SM, Gomes BC, De Martinis EC, Reid G

Affiliation(s): Departamento de Analises Clinicas, Universidade de Sao Paulo, 14040-903 Ribeirao Preto, Brazil.

Publication date & source: 2009-02, Can J Microbiol., 55(2):133-8.

Publication type: Multicenter Study; Randomized Controlled Trial; Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't

Bacterial vaginosis (BV) is the most prevalent vaginal infection worldwide and is characterized by depletion of the indigenous lactobacilli. Antimicrobial therapy is often ineffective. We hypothesized that probiotic Lactobacillus rhamnosus GR-1 and Lactobacillus reuteri RC-14 might provide an adjunct to antimicrobial treatment and improve cure rates. Sixty-four Brazilian women diagnosed with BV were randomly assigned to receive a single dose of tinidazole (2 g) supplemented with either 2 placebo capsules or 2 capsules containing L. rhamnosus GR-1 and L. reuteri RC-14 every morning for the following 4 weeks. At the end of treatment (day 28), the probiotic group had a significantly higher cure rate of BV (87.5%) than the placebo group (50.0%) (p = 0.001). In addition, according to the Gram-stain Nugent score, more women were assessed with "normal" vaginal microbiota in the probiotic group (75.0% vs. 34.4% in the placebo group; p = 0.011). This study shows that probiotic lactobacilli can provide benefits to women being treated with antibiotics for an infectious condition.


Vaginosis treatment
Bacterial vaginosis (BV) occurs when the normal balance of bacteria in the vagina is altered, and some beneficial bacteria, such as Lactobacillus, are replaced with an overgrowth of harmful bacteria. Antibiotics effectively treat the infection, though it often recurs. Researchers in Nigeria reviewed 24 clinical trials of various anti-microbial therapies for BV, including probiotic supplements containing Lactobacillus bacteria. They found that while the antibiotics clindamycin and metronidazole cleared the majority of BV infections within two to three weeks, adding a month's worth of oral Lactobacillus to women's metronidazole treatment enahnced the antibiotic's effectiveness. In addition, Lactobacillus tablets applied vaginally for five days were more effective than oral metronidazole alone. Most cases of BV cause no serious complications. However, the infection can make women more vulnerable to acquiring HIV or other sexually transmitted diseases. "Treating BV could help reduce susceptibility of women to HIV," said Oyinlola Oduyebo, of the University of Lagos in Nigeria. "Therefore, it is important, particularly in the developing world, to establish the most effective and appropriate forms of treatment," added Oyinlola Oduyebo.

The effects of antimicrobial therapy on bacterial vaginosis in non-pregnant women.
Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2009 Jul 8; Oduyebo OO, Anorlu RI, Ogunsola FT. Department of Medical Microbiology and Parasitology, College of Medicine, University of Lagos, F Block, Lagos, Nigeria, PMB 12003.
Bacterial vaginosis (BV) is a very common cause of vaginitis that has been associated with a high incidence of obstetric and gynaecologic complications and increased risk of HIV-1 transmission. This has led to renewed research interest in its treatment. We searched the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL) (The Cochrane Library), MEDLINE, EMBASE, LILACS, and African Healthline (December 2007); and proceedings of relevant international conferences (from 1981 to date). Twenty-four trials involving 4422 participants were reviewed. Most examined symptomatic women only. Only seven trials analysed results by intention to treat; we re-analysed the remainder. Compared with placebo, clindamycin showed a lower rate of treatment failure Given intravaginally as gelatin tablets, lactobacillus was more effective than oral metronidazole. Similarly, oral lactobacillus combined with metronidazole was more effective than metronidazole alone. Clindamycin preparations, oral metronidazole, and oral and intravaginal tablets of lactobacillus were effective for bacterial vaginosis. Hydrogen peroxide douche and triple sulphonamide cream were ineffective. Metronidazole caused metallic taste, nausea and vomiting. We need better-designed trials with larger sample sizes to test the effectiveness of promising drugs.
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post Oct 5 2010, 08:54 PM
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yeah I agree with you- its hard to know what good supplements there are. I love drinking unsweetened keifer... 8 grams of sugar or less per serving, lots of good bacteria in there

I do know for a fact these 3 different brands are good. Every naturopathic doc Ive seen, or chiropractor, acupuncturist reccomends these
Standard process- they have a large array of supplements
juice plus (lots of clinical research)
and vitamineral vitagreen

the vitagreen is now sold online and in health food stores, used to be that you could only get it from a health care practitioner.

my OBGYN distributes Juice Plus, as well as my chiropractor... =) but other than that you need to find a rep to buy that from
and my chiro and my naturopath doc both sell standard process

so i do love those products




=) I think your going to make a great GYN- isn't that what your going to school for??

although, the lady that works at the health food store suffers from BV too... she gets it every now and than and she swears by that super 8 and Fem-D

OH on a good note- just bought a new bottle of Fem-D for only $16 on sale at HENREY"s -They had all supplements on sale today (every Tuesday) here in California. So if you have a henrey's go get a bottle. =) I usually go to the vitamin shop... but I couldn't beat this deal.

So today is day 1 of the Tindamax...
I am hopeful!!

at least i only take it once a day..thank goodness
=)

yay

QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 5 2010, 06:53 PM) *
Yeah, I take an apple pectin supplement occasionally for an extra kick of prebiotics although I don't need it. Fruits and vegetables dominate my overall diet since I really believe vaginal infections and imbalances are usually caused by an imbalanced microflora (which effects the vaginal flora). Fruits and vegetables contain naturally occuring prebiotics, fiber, and complex nutrients. In addition to taking apple pectin, I also take either Fem-Dophilus or RepHresh Pro-B on the regular. I know I'm getting enough prebiotics because I usually get about three bowel movements a day, which rarely smell, one of the many perks of a plant based diet.

What I don't like about a lot of probiotics that are out right now is you can never be too sure if they work. Consumer Reports/Consumer Labs came out with data testing a lot of the common probiotics that are out. A lot of them actually failed and didn't contain the live cultures that the label said they would contain. Only a few of the tested probiotics passed. Some labels will say "two billion cultures at the time of manufacture" which could have been five months ago. Who knows if it still contains two billion cultures when you actually take it.

A lot of the times people will be taking stuff and they don't even feel a difference, almost as if they're taking a sugar pill or something. Or some will just experience the placebo effect; their mind wants the product to work so much to the point where they think they feel a difference when they actually aren't experiencing any real change. I'm shopping around for a GMP certified probiotic. I'm going back and forth between Natren and Metagenics ... I try not to over do it with supplements since I already spend an average of $20 a month on Fem-Dophilus and adding on something else doesn't seem entirely neccessary blink.gif , but Fem-Dophilus is specifically for vaginal health so ... I don't know, I'll have to think long and hard before I make a pick.

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QUOTE(melis19750 @ Oct 5 2010, 04:47 PM) *
I was talking to a lady that works in specifically in the suppliment section of the health food store...
and she took a course about pro-biotics
she had mentioned that they are way more effective when taken with pre-biotics so that way the probiotics absorb more and work better in your body- here is what pre-biotics are: Typically, prebiotics are carbohydrates (such as oligosaccharides), but the definition may include non-carbohydrates. "The most prevalent forms of prebiotics are nutritionally classed as soluble fiber. To some extent, many forms of dietary fiber exhibit some level of prebiotic effect."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prebiotic_%28nutrition%29
I think for some people the Fem-D will def work, they just need to be diligent and take them every day
sometimes it takes a month or two to see results some people get results faster

and some people forget to take them
I personally think since 5 billion strains is NOT a lot
when it comes to a pro-biotic, that you should def take at least one in the am and one in the pm
I also add in this product http://www.amazon.com/Udos-Choice-Hi-Poten...s/dp/B0010EEWU4

which contains 30 billion viable cells.... it works to balance yeast in the intestinal tract.
=)
love this stuff http://www.vitacost.com/Udos-Choice-Super-...IngredientFacts

Yeah, I take an apple pectin supplement occasionally for an extra kick of prebiotics although I don't need it. Fruits and vegetables dominate my overall diet since I really believe vaginal infections and imbalances are usually caused by an imbalanced microflora (which effects the vaginal flora). Fruits and vegetables contain naturally occuring prebiotics, fiber, and complex nutrients. In addition to taking apple pectin, I also take either Fem-Dophilus or RepHresh Pro-B on the regular. I know I'm getting enough prebiotics because I usually get about three bowel movements a day, which rarely smell, one of the many perks of a plant based diet.

What I don't like about a lot of probiotics that are out right now is you can never be too sure if they work. Consumer Reports/Consumer Labs came out with data testing a lot of the common probiotics that are out. A lot of them actually failed and didn't contain the live cultures that the label said they would contain. Only a few of the tested probiotics passed. Some labels will say "two billion cultures at the time of manufacture" which could have been five months ago. Who knows if it still contains two billion cultures when you actually take it.

A lot of the times people will be taking stuff and they don't even feel a difference, almost as if they're taking a sugar pill or something. Or some will just experience the placebo effect; their mind wants the product to work so much to the point where they think they feel a difference when they actually aren't experiencing any real change. I'm shopping around for a GMP certified probiotic. I'm going back and forth between Natren and Metagenics ... I try not to over do it with supplements since I already spend an average of $20 a month on Fem-Dophilus and adding on something else doesn't seem entirely neccessary blink.gif , but Fem-Dophilus is specifically for vaginal health so ... I don't know, I'll have to think long and hard before I make a pick.


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post Oct 5 2010, 03:47 PM
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I was talking to a lady that works in specifically in the suppliment section of the health food store...
and she took a course about pro-biotics
she had mentioned that they are way more effective when taken with pre-biotics so that way the probiotics absorb more and work better in your body- here is what pre-biotics are: Typically, prebiotics are carbohydrates (such as oligosaccharides), but the definition may include non-carbohydrates. "The most prevalent forms of prebiotics are nutritionally classed as soluble fiber. To some extent, many forms of dietary fiber exhibit some level of prebiotic effect."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prebiotic_%28nutrition%29


I think for some people the Fem-D will def work, they just need to be diligent and take them every day
sometimes it takes a month or two to see results some people get results faster

and some people forget to take them
I personally think since 5 billion strains is NOT a lot
when it comes to a pro-biotic, that you should def take at least one in the am and one in the pm
I also add in this product http://www.amazon.com/Udos-Choice-Hi-Poten...s/dp/B0010EEWU4

which contains 30 billion viable cells.... it works to balance yeast in the intestinal tract.
=)
love this stuff http://www.vitacost.com/Udos-Choice-Super-...IngredientFacts

QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 5 2010, 12:58 PM) *
You bought your Fem-D off of the internet? Did you make sure it was shipped cold? I know places, such as the Vitamin Shoppe that sell it for under $20 and you also earn store credit for each purchase. I live in Massachusetts. You should check for one in your area ... or maybe a health food store. $38 is pretty high; I don't even pay that much for RepHresh Pro-B. There were a few women that took Fem-D and it didn't work, but that could be for a number of reasons. You should start off taking it twice a day for one week, and decrease your dose to once a day until it's finished. I have hope that it will help you because it has helped many so long as they continued taking it.

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QUOTE(britt8705 @ Oct 5 2010, 01:13 PM) *
So I just brought Fem-Dophilus ($38 huh.gif ) and took one pill...hopefully this is what I have always needed. I will keep you all posted. *keeping my fingers & toes croossed*

You bought your Fem-D off of the internet? Did you make sure it was shipped cold? I know places, such as the Vitamin Shoppe that sell it for under $20 and you also earn store credit for each purchase. I live in Massachusetts. You should check for one in your area ... or maybe a health food store. $38 is pretty high; I don't even pay that much for RepHresh Pro-B. There were a few women that took Fem-D and it didn't work, but that could be for a number of reasons. You should start off taking it twice a day for one week, and decrease your dose to once a day until it's finished. I have hope that it will help you because it has helped many so long as they continued taking it.


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So I just brought Fem-Dophilus ($38 huh.gif ) and took one pill...hopefully this is what I have always needed. I will keep you all posted. *keeping my fingers & toes croossed*
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post Oct 4 2010, 07:40 PM
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You know I still have 6 tubes left of the balance activ.... if you want to try a tube before you get yours to make sure you do not have an adverse reaction like I did, I can send it to you.... free of charge, send me a msg on here and ill get your info

but im not exaggerating- its super duper acidic
because well- to be "real" my anal hole was not irritated at ALLLLLL before balance activ
and guess what, not only is my vagina irritated, but my anal hole is majorly irritated. The doctor said she thinks it gave me a minor chemical burn, kind of like a chemical peel on my vagina and anal area

so if i were you, if you try it... just stick some on the top of a tampon and insert it first
because this stuff leeks out soooo easily it gets all over your entire external femal genitalia.

They really need to have a warning on their product. All I have seen are good reviews about it, but you know they could be false reviews... people from the company trying to promote it.
I actually sent them a negative review and all they told me was- we will refund you for the extra product, however the box you opened we cant refund you for, and i checked.....2 days later my review is NOT even on there.

Learned my lesson the hard way.

i def think fem-dophilus is the way to go...doctors even endorse it for oral use and doctors who treat pts with IC endorse it for vaginal and oral use...although yes we know its not FDA approved for vaginal use

there is probably a reason why the FDA has not approved balance- its too harsh on the skin. I think it might be great for a facial peel... ha ha

so on a good note everyone

My Nurse pract (not my obgyn) called me, as my OBGYN was delivering a baby
and she gave me an Rx for tindamax 1g for 5 days taken once daily http://www.drugs.com/pro/tindamax.html
and 6 pills of diflucan to use afterwards and before treatment.

she told me "Please call me as soon as your about 5 days after using tindamax and let us know how you liked it, we never prescribe it because it doesnt come in generic form and its about $60 for the Rx. Most people don't want to pay for it, but because the clincal research shows its better at treating BV for 5 days at 1g orally due to lesser side effects than flagyl. Im really curious to know how it works for you."
Oh I love great NP's and OBGYN's
they really make a difference!
=)
lets pray my first case of BV is my last
and that i dont get yeast after the treatment
BTW it also states tindamax doesnt cause the side effect of vaginal candida as often as metrogel, flagyl, clindesse,clinda, etc;

so i hope im one of those lucky one

time for me to study
by everyone =)


QUOTE(melinda7 @ Oct 4 2010, 06:00 PM) *
swt -- good post. I completely agree! I was going to ask you about corticosteroids. I remember they can cause YI.

I would've bought your balance activ!
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swt -- good post. I completely agree! I was going to ask you about corticosteroids. I remember they can cause YI.

I would've bought your balance activ!

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post Oct 4 2010, 05:29 PM
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thank you for that.

Yeah I also saw you can take it 1g once daily for 5 days and the cure rate is much higher than the 2g at 2 days for the tindamax
and it seems the side effects are a little less because of the amount given


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Chemically, the two are not much different. The tinidazole & metronidazole (Flagyl) do not differ significantly in their side-effects, from what I've read. (This would make sense, since the two are chemically similar.) However, the once-daily dosing & shorter duration of therapy would lessen one's exposure to the adverse affects. I can't locate any research comparing tinidazole with metronidazole at their recommended doses.
If I had to choose, I'd probably go with the tinidazole due to the shorter therapy timeframe.

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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 4 2010, 02:34 PM) *
Mfc10, since your a chemist, which option do you think is better?


Chemically, the two are not much different. The tinidazole & metronidazole (Flagyl) do not differ significantly in their side-effects, from what I've read. (This would make sense, since the two are chemically similar.) However, the once-daily dosing & shorter duration of therapy would lessen one's exposure to the adverse affects. I can't locate any research comparing tinidazole with metronidazole at their recommended doses.
If I had to choose, I'd probably go with the tinidazole due to the shorter therapy timeframe.

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Maggie
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post Oct 4 2010, 02:32 PM
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oh yeah almost forgot =) you asked about the body wash i had, it had Triclosan in it. I didnt realize it until my OBGYN asked me what kind of hygene products i used.... specifically body wash, she contributed that to a reason why i prob got the YI

QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 3 2010, 04:12 PM) *
The only medications I was on at the time was a corticosteroid ointment for my eczema, allergy medication, and a nasal spray. Those aren't medications that normally disturb the intestinal flora. They weren't high doses either. I do have to say that I was constantly stressed, and was also experiencing sleep difficulties for a while, those factors greatly impact the microflora. I would never take birth control pills unless it was absolutely mandatory because I think birth control pills carry too many risks and side effects.

What I think might have also caused it was I went on a seven day cruise. When I was in Aruba, I was at a beach and I was walking around in a wet bathing suit for a long time. I was also eating a lot of different foods and going to dinner every night and eating desserts. I know sugar feeds yeasts and bacteria, maybe all of those factors contributed to the non-albican yeast infection. Another woman on this forum also went on vacation and she developed bacterial vaginosis later.

Where you having any problems using regular tampons prior to buying the RepHresh Brilliance tampons? From personal experience, my symptoms would get worse when I mensturated; pads also contributed to the chaos.

I always choose tampons over pads because pads are uncomfortable, bunch up in all the wrong places, cause chaffing, makes me feel like I'm wearing a diaper, smells more, and makes me feel unclean after wearing it for a few hours. I only wear them at night because I don't trust leaving tampons in over night. I've been using organic cotton tampons and pads by a company called Natracare. They work very well and don't have any crazy chemicals in them. I'm really picky about my personal care products because some companies bleach their cotton, some contain rayon, and some companies also use pesticides on their cotton.

What body wash where you using that had an antibiotic? I always thought anything with prescription strength ingredients would be found over the counter. Was your bodywash an antibacterial bodywash rather than an antibiotic bodywash? I sure hope the BalanceActiv works for you. I've encountered many women where I work part time and I can clearly see how bacterial vaginosis has taken a toll on them; they have very low self esteems. I remember one particular woman would always keep her distance no matter how much I tried to approach her. It would be sad if you were in the same boat.

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post Oct 4 2010, 02:16 PM
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Hi sweet simplicity,


well being I have posted a lot- so you would have to scroll way down to find my Hx

I first had a yeast infection in the beginning of September (went o my GYN and she examined/ cultured me-came back yeast only-candida albicans) used diflucan didnt work 100% and used a 3 day yeast cream, worked better- still saw some discharge, used garlic cloves for 7 days longer

clumpy white discharge went away

but noticed i still had irritation
went back to GYN- examined and she said every looked/smelled okay.... but lets re-culture it just to be sure
got results back- Gardnerella (BV) showed up- no more yeast


antibiotics:
I hate using them.... but being i was hopeful about balance activ, and only a little irritated at the time, tried it... and it just made me more irritated
so this is why i have decided...no more stuff inside my vagina
its probably better to treat it orally at this point, take my probiotics

so Im waiting for my Nurse practitioner to call me back and give me an Rx to a different antibiotic

Im def trying to stay positive
being this is my first time dealing with BV I'll admit im freaking out a bit

I was used to GBS overgrowth, but never this
this is different
and the thing with GBS- there are MANY antibiotics for it, that do not cause major side effects like the BV antibiotics as well as it subsiding with the Fem-D

but for Gardnerella... there are VERY FEW antibiotics -clinda orally or vaginally, metro orally or vaginally, and than of course the new tindamax orally

Boric acid I guess works, but im not sticking anything acidic in my vagina at this point

I will say the Calendula ointment has helped, the irritation is really subsided

I do think that balance activ prob works, but maybe they need a milder form of it, it def needs some improvements, in fact i returned my unopened boxes I purchased. Thank goodness they let me

=)

I guess Ill just remain hopeful Im only a 1 time sufferer of BV and this will be the ONLY time i deal with it



QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Oct 4 2010, 01:34 PM) *
It looks like Tindamax would be the better option. Then again I'm not a pharmacist. Mfc10, since your a chemist, which option do you think is better? According to it's (website), it looks like a really solid choice. I'm surprised your opting for the oral antibiotic considering you were so adamant about not taking antibiotics. I assumed you would probably go with a gel application or suppository. Yes, stay on the Fem-D to prevent any further chaos, or resistant strains of bacteria or yeast. A lot of women on here have been on and off of antibiotics; and those that were eventually had a harder time getting rid of their bacterial vaginosis with each course of antibiotics, until finally the antibiotics stopped working for some of them.

How long were you doing the garlic suppositories? Does your gynecologist know that you've been trying the BalancActiv? You usually have to go in for an exam before you get prescribed antibiotics ... right?

I personally believe being hopeful helps a lot when dealing with things like this. I remember being stressed about my vaginal issues and my symptoms would literally get worse the more I thought about it. There are biological reasons for that as well. Kind of like when you get scared or embarrassed, your body starts to sweat a little, including the vulva (which by the way has a lot of sweat glands). Where there's moisture, there's bacteria that consequently leads to an odor. Or if you get sexually aroused, your vaginal secretions increase. So, you literally need to put a smile on and think positive thoughts, it releases (good) chemicals from your brain and that helps the healing process biggrin.gif .

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QUOTE(melis19750 @ Oct 3 2010, 09:15 PM) *
whats better taken orally Tindamax or flagyl?

It looks like Tindamax would be the better option. Then again I'm not a pharmacist. Mfc10, since your a chemist, which option do you think is better? According to it's (website), it looks like a really solid choice. I'm surprised your opting for the oral antibiotic considering you were so adamant about not taking antibiotics. I assumed you would probably go with a gel application or suppository. Yes, stay on the Fem-D to prevent any further chaos, or resistant strains of bacteria or yeast. A lot of women on here have been on and off of antibiotics; and those that were eventually had a harder time getting rid of their bacterial vaginosis with each course of antibiotics, until finally the antibiotics stopped working for some of them.

How long were you doing the garlic suppositories? Does your gynecologist know that you've been trying the BalancActiv? You usually have to go in for an exam before you get prescribed antibiotics ... right?

I personally believe being hopeful helps a lot when dealing with things like this. I remember being stressed about my vaginal issues and my symptoms would literally get worse the more I thought about it. There are biological reasons for that as well. Kind of like when you get scared or embarrassed, your body starts to sweat a little, including the vulva (which by the way has a lot of sweat glands). Where there's moisture, there's bacteria that consequently leads to an odor. Or if you get sexually aroused, your vaginal secretions increase. So, you literally need to put a smile on and think positive thoughts, it releases (good) chemicals from your brain and that helps the healing process biggrin.gif .


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