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anitsirhc
post Jun 21 2007, 08:42 AM
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hey ladies. i finished my last dose of yeast arrest monday night. the yeast arrest stopped coming out of me sometime on tuesday. it's now thursday and i have absolutely no discharge and no smell. i'm 100% dry, no need for a pantyliner!!! i feel great. i just have to hope it stays like this. this is what i did:

i used yeast arrest twice a day, every day for 4 weeks. (i just bought 4 jars of it and used all of them since 1 jar lasts 1 week.) i took fem-dophilus at the beginning of using the yeast arrest, i took 2 a day for about 2 weeks. when i ran out i didn't buy anymore but i think that i will now since i'm not taking yeast arrest anymore. now that i am done taking the yeast arrest every day i am going to be using it after sex and for 4 days every month when i have my period. (i'm not sure if it's twice a day or once a day, it's on the instructions though.) i will do that for 4 months. i don't know how long i'll use it after sex, right now i want to say forever because i don't want to take the chance of it coming back but maybe one day i won't have to do that. i hope i stay bv free!! i am right now and i feel so relieved.

i hope everyone keeps trying to find what works for them. just keep trying different things and eventually you will find what works for you. i know it's frustrating and discouraging, especially when something doesn't work, but you will find what works for you if you just don't give up. thanks bv girl for suggesting the yeast arrest. smile.gif
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post Jun 21 2007, 07:22 AM
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Ilovehim: I don't wear tampons. When I had BV I stopped using tampons and started using the divacup. I've read that tampons have too much crap in them unless they are organic. smile.gif
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post Jun 21 2007, 06:06 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 21 2007, 06:58 AM) *
Yes you do Morphia! Good Luck in finding a doctor who can in fact spell. I do realize that yeast is not difficult to diagnose according to doctor Elizabeth G Stewart...but I have also read contradicting information to that as well. Also, it's possible that with your skin rash infection that you have recently suffered from has some kind of factor in this as well? You may have BV, but possibly other issues on top of this. There is no reason that you should be suffering from this 24/7. If you are, doctors need to realize this. It's good that you are a smart gal,, and have been noting these strange symtoms. Tell your doctor, demand resolution. Did you see the article in the V-book about getting skin samples for biopsy? Don't remember where it was at...but it's in there.

Hope you get some relief!!!!!!!


P.S. Make sure you remember to mention that you have bladder/urinary problems. And mention your work environment as well.











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post Jun 21 2007, 05:41 AM
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QUOTE(Morphia @ Jun 21 2007, 02:55 AM) *
Alright. Tonight I got intimate with the bf (no penetration of course. That would be painful) and I took great care in noting any odor/odors that might be present. I've detected three. Pizza (while its still on me), chemical/urine smell (when its on my undies) and a sweet urine smell (after it has dried). I've also been keeping up with the consistency of my discharge. The stuff that actually comes out is clear and sometimes so bubbly that it looks like spit. (Ew). But when I stick my finger in there and pull it out under my nails is THICK, creamy, white stuff. This stuff is clinging for dear life to the walls of my vag. I'm also more red down there than I've ever been. As far as sensations are concerned, I burn on the inside when I'm not sexually aroused. But when I get aroused and the juices start flowing, my symptoms get 10 times better....and then I start to itch on the inside! This is all so damn WEIRD! I'm going to ask my internal medicine doctor (appointment on friday) and my gynecologist (appointment on monday) if they know of any specialists I can see. I need to get this shit figured out ASAP.


Yes you do Morphia! Good Luck in finding a doctor who can in fact spell. I do realize that yeast is not difficult to diagnose according to doctor Elizabeth G Stewart...but I have also read contradicting information to that as well. Also, it's possible that with your skin rash infection that you have recently suffered from has some kind of factor in this as well? You may have BV, but possibly other issues on top of this. There is no reason that you should be suffering from this 24/7. If you are, doctors need to realize this. It's good that you are a smart gal,, and have been noting these strange symtoms. Tell your doctor, demand resolution. Did you see the article in the V-book about getting skin samples for biopsy? Don't remember where it was at...but it's in there.

Hope you get some relief!!!!!!!
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post Jun 21 2007, 01:38 AM
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Alright. Tonight I got intimate with the bf (no penetration of course. That would be painful) and I took great care in noting any odor/odors that might be present. I've detected three. Pizza (while its still on me), chemical/urine smell (when its on my undies) and a sweet urine smell (after it has dried). I've also been keeping up with the consistency of my discharge. The stuff that actually comes out is clear and sometimes so bubbly that it looks like spit. (Ew). But when I stick my finger in there and pull it out under my nails is THICK, creamy, white stuff. This stuff is clinging for dear life to the walls of my vag. I'm also more red down there than I've ever been. As far as sensations are concerned, I burn on the inside when I'm not sexually aroused. But when I get aroused and the juices start flowing, my symptoms get 10 times better....and then I start to itch on the inside! This is all so damn WEIRD! I'm going to ask my internal medicine doctor (appointment on friday) and my gynecologist (appointment on monday) if they know of any specialists I can see. I need to get this shit figured out ASAP.
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post Jun 20 2007, 11:19 PM
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I wear tampons, 'i love him' why are you asking?

My mom didn't want me to wear them when I first started, my mom had TSS at the age of 19 and got deathly ill and hasent worn them since...she is 47 now.
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post Jun 19 2007, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 19 2007, 05:39 PM) *
Do they have a pill for caffeine addicts? lol. Just joking, I have quit drinking coffee and soda, but it is/was not easy. OK so I did sneak and have soda the other day, but I couldn't even drink it, it was so sweet that it made me feel sick.
I drink only water through the week now, then have a few cocktails on weekends....

Thanks CanCan. A lot of things are overlooked in this board, I missed that.


I have coffee everyday, and what I am doing to try to break the habit is change it up a little. Some days I have my morning cappuccino, and on other days, I have something different - like a chai latte. Or my new thing: Yerba Matte Latte. I love it! I found this amazing tea brand called Republic. And really I bought it because the tin was so gorgeous. But it is delicious. It still has caffeine, but not as much. So now I am not addicted to coffee. I still have my cappuccinos, but not as often.
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post Jun 19 2007, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 19 2007, 10:55 AM) *
ILOVEHIM, My issues are in fact that I was very concerned that your female health problems had you on the verge of suicide. THATS MY ISSUE. Not to mention that proper treatment of vaginal infections are very important being that yes, in fact, it can fuck up your liver!!!!
Also, if you want to go BACK AND READ WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS FORUM AND TOLD YOU TO GO READ A SEGMENT [b](from the V book)[/b] tHIS IS THE SAME BOOK i SUGGESTED to you that now LORI is telling everyone to get, and she jumped my ass for getting excited about information that could HELP US.


ILOVEHIM, did you really want to be pregnant? (Your 16?)


Of course I did not want to be a pregnant 17 year old, I'm o.k. with one . lol That's crazy!



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post Jun 19 2007, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(CanCan @ Jun 19 2007, 04:27 PM) *
Yes, there is a connection between caffeine and hormone imbalance. Caffeine like all stimulants, if taken in excess, causes your adrenal glands to overwork. (I talk about this in a previous post.) Caffeine for most people is a pick-me-up. It gives you that 'feeling' of having more energy. And afterward, when the feeling wears off, you experience a crash. Well. Unless you are a chain coffee drinker, in which case you would just grab your next cup of coffee! Your adrenal glands have to adjust to stimulants, and tell the rest of your glands how to function. if you are always feeling 'up' and hyper with caffeine, then your adrenals are working hard to produce cortisol and adrenaline, and you throw off all your other hormones levels. In extreme cases it can cause adrenal exhaustion.

[ http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C17669.html ]


Do they have a pill for caffeine addicts? lol. Just joking, I have quit drinking coffee and soda, but it is/was not easy. OK so I did sneak and have soda the other day, but I couldn't even drink it, it was so sweet that it made me feel sick.
I drink only water through the week now, then have a few cocktails on weekends....

Thanks CanCan. A lot of things are overlooked in this board, I missed that.
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post Jun 19 2007, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 15 2007, 11:25 PM) *
Actually, oddly enough fibroadenomas are affected.. or caused by hormones..ahhh lol estrogen and progesterone. About 1 out of six women have these. The condition strangely enough improves after hormones E & P drop from menapause. Researchers are on different sides of the fence when discussing if diets high in saturated fats and high caffeine intake have a factor in this as well. (I'm on the caffeine side of the fence, I love caffiene. lol And red meat. lol.

Speaking of which..has anyone found any information with the links between caffeine and hormone imbalance? Just curious.

Most are shaped round, but mine is about an inch and n half in size and oddly shaped. I'm not really concerned about it though. I have kept my eye on it..hasn't changed much...it's not bothersome either.

But, if they do become uncomfortable, or you have several..your doctor might consider treating you with danazol. It's a fake testosterone hormone. But I really don't want a beard or acne. lol.



Yes, there is a connection between caffeine and hormone imbalance. Caffeine like all stimulants, if taken in excess, causes your adrenal glands to overwork. (I talk about this in a previous post.) Caffeine for most people is a pick-me-up. It gives you that 'feeling' of having more energy. And afterward, when the feeling wears off, you experience a crash. Well. Unless you are a chain coffee drinker, in which case you would just grab your next cup of coffee! Your adrenal glands have to adjust to stimulants, and tell the rest of your glands how to function. if you are always feeling 'up' and hyper with caffeine, then your adrenals are working hard to produce cortisol and adrenaline, and you throw off all your other hormones levels. In extreme cases it can cause adrenal exhaustion.

[ http://www.diagnose-me.com/cond/C17669.html ]

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post Jun 19 2007, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(lori @ Jun 19 2007, 12:54 PM) *
Well, I'm all for that. I hope they do more research on this! But I also don't think we should hold off on probiotics until those particular strains are available commercially.

Actually, I think HLC Candaclear is a product that claims to have replicated healthy human lactobacillus. And I don't feel like going back to verifying this but ... I think their tests involved putting the lactobacillus from one vagina to another.

(Ewwwww.)

Interesting study, but, umm yes ewwww. But I guess some people have to receive blood donations to survive..maybe our vagina's need lactobacillus transfusions. lol Honestly, I don't see this working though. (I think our bodies are killing them off.) who knows. (If it works though...maybe I could humble myself to stoop that low. lol


Question for you: have you been taking the Ultimate Flora?


Yes, I have been taking ultimate flora faithfully, except when I was out of town for 4 days.. and I then took Kyo-Dophilus, because they don't need to be kept in the cooler.
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post Jun 19 2007, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 19 2007, 10:44 AM) *
I have read somewhere..have no clue as to where...maybe the V book?...that those strains of vaginal flora I mentioned earlier are being tried in women at a clinic as we speak..... (inserted vaginally?)... I don't know if it has proved any success or not.

Well, I'm all for that. I hope they do more research on this! But I also don't think we should hold off on probiotics until those particular strains are available commercially.

Actually, I think HLC Candaclear is a product that claims to have replicated healthy human lactobacillus. And I don't feel like going back to verifying this but ... I think their tests involved putting the lactobacillus from one vagina to another.

(Ewwwww.)

Question for you: have you been taking the Ultimate Flora?


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post Jun 19 2007, 11:27 AM
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[quote name='lori' date='Jun 18 2007, 01:57 AM' post='157895']
I don't think every strain of lactobacillus can be replicated in a lab like that. Activia yogurt contains "Bifidus Regularis" (ha ha, "regularis") and Dan-Active yogurt contains "L. casei Immunitas." These are lab-created and shown to have good effects, but they aren't naturally found in a healthy body.

Lori, I truely understand your point about listing the sources of information, it is very important! (But I don't know how lol) But with that being said, (sorry sad.gif ) I have read somewhere..have no clue as to where...maybe the V book?...that those strains of vaginal flora I mentioned earlier are being tried in women at a clinic as we speak..... (inserted vaginally?)... I don't know if it has proved any success or not.
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post Jun 19 2007, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 19 2007, 08:55 AM) *
Also, if you want to go BACK AND READ WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS FORUM AND TOLD YOU TO GO READ A SEGMENT [b](from the V book)[/b] tHIS IS THE SAME BOOK i SUGGESTED to you that now LORI is telling everyone to get, and she jumped my ass for getting excited about information that could HELP US.

Sorry if I said that, Arj75. But you recommend a lot of books, a lot of articles, and a lot of theories. And you don't even give us very much info. about them - just, "hey we should all read/consider this!" So it's hard to know which one of your suggestions is worthwhile.

But ... we should all get The V book! It's not a cure-all, it's not gospel, but it's good basic information.

Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/Book-Doctors-Complet...2478&sr=8-1

QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 19 2007, 09:45 AM) *
Has anyone done any research into how difficult it is to diagnose rare yeast infections?

According to The V Book, it's not difficult at all. Most of the current OTC drugs (and diflucan) work very well at controlling the C.albicans type of yeast, so if you truly have a yeast infection (and not something else) that's not responding to typical treatment, then you probably have the resistant strains. Basic deduction.

She also explained how a yeast culture works.

QUOTE(sassy @ Jun 19 2007, 09:48 AM) *
Thanks, Lori. I guess I will order that book! I'll probably read it and think I have everything in it, though! Haha...

Yeah, I know how that is. But the good thing about the book is that it helped me get some perspective, and it felt great to know that at least someone realizes BV is a serious problem. I usually feel much more crazy after reading a bunch of net research.


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post Jun 19 2007, 10:31 AM
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Thanks, Lori. I guess I will order that book! I'll probably read it and think I have everything in it, though! Haha...
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post Jun 19 2007, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(anitsirhc @ Jun 19 2007, 11:03 AM) *
so if i have bv and fibroadenomas that my bv is more likely to be caused by hormones??? hmmm...


Worth digging into for sure.

Morphia, sorry about your burning..I don't know which would be worse..smell, or fire.
You don't experience pain with that as well? (not including the burning) And is sex painful for you? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just really interested, because your symtoms are strange...I'm not saying it isn't BV. It's just so damn weird how our bodies react differently to this. Are some days worse than others for you, or is it all the time non-stop burning?

Is any product helping you with your burning vagina?

Has anyone done any research into how difficult it is to diagnose rare yeast infections? (I'm pretty damn amazed that I didn't get a vaginal yeast infection after the double antibiotic dose I was recently prescribed. (hopefully I'm not bragging to soon.)
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post Jun 19 2007, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(arj75 @ Jun 15 2007, 11:25 PM) *
Actually, oddly enough fibroadenomas are affected.. or caused by hormones..ahhh lol estrogen and progesterone. About 1 out of six women have these. The condition strangely enough improves after hormones E & P drop from menapause. Researchers are on different sides of the fence when discussing if diets high in saturated fats and high caffeine intake have a factor in this as well. (I'm on the caffeine side of the fence, I love caffiene. lol And red meat. lol.

Speaking of which..has anyone found any information with the links between caffeine and hormone imbalance? Just curious.

Most are shaped round, but mine is about an inch and n half in size and oddly shaped. I'm not really concerned about it though. I have kept my eye on it..hasn't changed much...it's not bothersome either.

But, if they do become uncomfortable, or you have several..your doctor might consider treating you with danazol. It's a fake testosterone hormone. But I really don't want a beard or acne. lol.


so if i have bv and fibroadenomas that my bv is more likely to be caused by hormones??? hmmm...
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ILOVEHIM, My issues are in fact that I was very concerned that your female health problems had you on the verge of suicide. THATS MY ISSUE. Not to mention that proper treatment of vaginal infections are very important being that yes, in fact, it can fuck up your liver!!!!
Also, if you want to go BACK AND READ WHEN I FIRST JOINED THIS FORUM AND TOLD YOU TO GO READ A SEGMENT [b](from the V book)[/b] tHIS IS THE SAME BOOK i SUGGESTED to you that now LORI is telling everyone to get, and she jumped my ass for getting excited about information that could HELP US.

AND IF ANYONE DOES IN FACT WANT TO BE PLAYING THE BANGO STRINGS - GET THE BOOK IT IS GREAT. The author is/was a V Clinic specialist, and she herself has had problems diagnosed rare conditions that most doctors don't even know how to spell.

ILOVEHIM, did you really want to be pregnant? (Your 16?)

I also got another book about female hormones, for those of us that feel that is our undiagnosed problem. Haven't read much about it yet though....(but I will)

Morphia, I found some interesting things in both these books ...I'll PM you when I get time.
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QUOTE(phobia @ Jun 18 2007, 05:39 PM) *
Hi all! I am so psyched to find out about Yeast Arrest! I got some today -- I'd head about using boric acid to get rid of persistent yeasties, but was never sure where on earth to find it! I just have a quick question -- it says after the first 2-week period that you should use it for four days "during menstruation." How does this work if one uses, for example, menstrual cups? I was thinking I could wait till after my heavy-heavy flow days and do it at night whilst wearing a pad? Ideas?

Also -- I looked up the topic on PubMed, and the research cited in the Yeast Arrest says that a "full cure" for the yeast infection was achieved using 600 mg per day, but I noticed the Yeast Arrest is 600 mg/capsule, and it says to use 2 per day. I don't want to overdo it. Thoughts?

Again -- thanks sooo much for the tip. I've had bad luck with creams (the burning, you would not believe -- maybe an allergy???) or Diflucan, and it just. Keeps. Recurring. Keep your fingers crossed for me!!!!!

Hello.. I am not familar with menstrual cups but when it comes to using suppositories (in this case yeast arrest suppositories) to benefit most from the product you must make sure to insert the suppositories as far as you can go. Like I stated before, everyone responds differently to products so in regards to using 600mg twice a day as directed on the yeast arrest maybe you can benefit with just using one suppository a day. It really depends on how your body responds. As you read on it states somewhere (or on the website) that during the intital use some may have to use yeast arrest for longer than a month so it just depends. I guess the rule of thumb is if the bv and the odor is still there then you will have to use it longer (that is if you are not experiencing any harsh side effects from the yeast arrest ( like some may experience mild or heavy itching,dryness and or an allergic reaction to the boric acid which can irritate the skin)( for me I have had no major problems and I have been using it for a couple of months and took one whole month off from using it with no reoccurring bv and or bv smell at all)). Yes ,you can use it during your period. Are you asking if you can start your intital use now while you are your period? I don't see why not.. For me being consistent with the yeast arrest(taking it everyday and not skipping a dose until the bv got under control) really can help. Also, it says on the directions when it comes to preventative measures using it while on your menstrual is suggested after your initial use. Other than that you should make it a point to use it everyday until the bv is under control. That is if you are not experiencing any side effects. Also, make sure to monitor your progress whether good or bad and this should help you with regards to if you would like to continue with the yeast arrest and or is this product right for me, and or if you decide to discontinue the yeast arrest because of side effects and or because it has proven not to be effective enough for your bv and bv symptoms. Again, some people respond differently, some people will have a harsh reaction and or side effects,some will not,some people will benefit from the yeast arrest and there will be some who will not. Trial and error.


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post Jun 19 2007, 01:11 AM
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QUOTE(sassy @ Jun 18 2007, 12:47 PM) *
Lori: Since you seem to be the expert, I thought I would ask you this. With all of these other infections you mention, some that can be caused by the antibiotics, and others that are sort of unexplained (ex-mycroplasa), how do we know if we really have BV? What should I ask for my doctor to do the next time I go to make sure I'm not suffering from one of these other infections? How are they supposed to be treated when some doctors aren't even aware of them? Ahh...I'm so confused! sad.gif

Oh no, I'm not an expert. Sorry if I sound like a "know-it-all cunt" sometimes. tongue.gif I'm just trying to share information that I learned, some of which is from members in this very thread! I'm just trying to piece it all together in a way that makes sense - to me, anyway. (Trust me, I'm confused, too!)

So to "regurgitate" from The V Book:
  • strep - is diagnosed by a microscope - where you can see "little round streptococci lined up in chains"
  • mobiluncus - under the microcope, you can see "mobiliuncus tumbling across the slide"
  • desquamative inflammatory vagintis (DIV) - this is basically when everything else has been ruled out
Dr. Stewart says that these are a "challenge" to diagnose. Isn't that great?

Strep and Mobiluncus are rare, but both are typically caused by the antibiotics we use for BV. They are considered "superinfection" - because you are not being attacked by an outside bacteria, you're just dealing with an overgrowth of something that is always there, and isn't harmful in small amounts (just like yeast and BV).

I don't mean to muddy the waters and introduce a lot of far-fetched ideas in here, taking everyone on some wild goose-chase. But since many of us have taken these antibiotics many times, and our symptoms recur so often - I think it's something that should at least be on our radars. Especially when the symptoms are unusual - as in Morphia's case, she has no odor. That's definitely unusual, because the one thing *everyone* complains about in here is the nasty stench.

There are other possibilities as well - e.g., vulvodynia. Or it could be just other skin conditions such as lichen or eczema. Those are apparently misdiagnosed all the time as a gyno problem when they really aren't.

As far as how to ask about it with your doctor - hopefully your doctor knows you've been dealing with this for a long time, and is receptive to discussions about these alternatives. Even Dr. Stewart (who wrote the V book) admits that she gets a lot of patients who complain that their gynos don't listen to them and treat them like idiots. Having experienced dumb doctors like that myself, I really know that feeling.

(I've even had one doctor snap at me, "Are you telling me how to do my job?" Seriously. And I just watched the movie Knocked Up this weekend, and there was a doctor who said that and it made me so mad! Asshole. The movie was funny, though.)

So I don't know what you should do. I would recommend that you get The V Book and read it yourself - don't rely on my excerpts. And if you're concerned about any of these, you should ask your doctor. Bring the book with you, maybe? Hopefully you have a good doctor who at least listens to you, or insurance that lets you find a better doctor if you want to switch.


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