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neverending
post Jun 27 2007, 09:35 AM
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Welcome to the board Cheryl. The board is usually not like this.
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neverending
post Jun 27 2007, 09:34 AM
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Lori: If you can read........I said "I usually skip over your posts". What is the key word here? Come on Lori..........I know you can do it.........Oh, might it be USUALLY. Again I don't have to keep responding to your bull for the women on this board to see who is full of it. It looks like YOU have lost it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AGAIN LADIES, ALL LORI DOES IS TRY TO DEMEAN AND BELITTLE THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.
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post Jun 27 2007, 09:32 AM
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QUOTE(bvgirl @ Jun 27 2007, 11:27 AM) *
SMILE EVERYONE...LIVE TODAY LIKE YOU HAVE NOT A CARE IN THE WORLD..YOU DONT CARE THAT YOU MAY BE HAVING BV AND OR BV SYMPTOMS, YOU DONT CARE THAT YOUR BOSS IS ON YOU BACK ALL THE TIME, YOU DONT CARE THAT THE SINK DRIPS ALL NIGHT,LOL... All I am saying is that we are all in the same boat and we are frustrated at times and angry because of this bv but just realize if you keep pluggin in and stay informed about our battle with bv you will conquer it.. Yes, it is a headache..Yes, I it is stressful but ladies hang in there.. Laugh a little if you can, smile even if you dont want to because of bv.. Just know that you will find relief.. I truly do believe that.. If you are experiencing any unsual discharges and or something suspect please go to the doctor we want you all healthy and we are not doctors so please get the appropriate help..We care.. That is my story and I am sticking to it...LOL
I just had to say that.. Sorry if it was cheesy..

thanks for making me smile this morning I am new here Cheryl
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post Jun 27 2007, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(neverending @ Jun 27 2007, 08:23 AM) *
And for the record, I usually skip over your posts but as I was going down the page and saw my name in your post, I had to read it. So, with that being said, I have no clue what you said 2 weeks ago. rolleyes.gif

That is a total lie, because you specifically REPLIED to and QUOTED my post (refuting my suggestion to consider Trich as an alternate diagnosis):

QUOTE(neverending @ Jun 14 2007, 07:37 AM) *
Lori: I understand that what you read said it is not always detected but I'm speaking from experience TRICH IS VERY NOTICEABLE.


You've really lost it, 'neverending'. Making stuff up, pulling stuff out of your ass, now you're just flat-out LYING.

Tsk-tsk, so sad.

QUOTE(neverending @ Jun 14 2007, 07:37 AM) *
Are you looking for PRAISE LORI? Everybody say hail LORI. LOL! You are a control freak and I believe you have come to this board not to help people but to further frustrate them.

That's pretty hypocritical of you.

Because I'm not the one who loses my shit because someone disagrees with my suggestion on a product to try. You don't even try to defend your suggestion, you just go bonkers and start calling people names and telling them to go to hell. And I'm the control freak?

Bottom line: I'm just trying to tell people - they should think twice before ordering unlabeled hormone products from some PO Box. You, on the other hand, WANT them to buy Estroil SO BADLY that my suggestion that they shouldn't pisses you off so much that you palpably lose your mind.

You're the biggest control freak here. Or Dr. Helen? Either way, you're a nutbar.

QUOTE(neverending @ Jun 27 2007, 08:29 AM) *
How can you tell someone what NOT to use SOMETHING? Again, CONTROL FREAK!

People say that in here ALL THE TIME. "Don't use Enzara!" "Don't use Tetrasil!" That's not control-freaky. That's called ADVICE.

Seeing you grasping at straws like this was sort of funny, a little sad ... but now it's crossed over to pathetic.

"Don't use Estroil." Yeah, THIS makes me a control freak. *shrug* Oh well.


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post Jun 27 2007, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(bvgirl @ Jun 27 2007, 04:27 PM) *
SMILE EVERYONE...LIVE TODAY LIKE YOU HAVE NOT A CARE IN THE WORLD..YOU DONT CARE THAT YOU MAY BE HAVING BV AND OR BV SYMPTOMS, YOU DONT CARE THAT YOUR BOSS IS ON YOU BACK ALL THE TIME, YOU DONT CARE THAT THE SINK DRIPS ALL NIGHT,LOL... All I am saying is that we are all in the same boat and we are frustrated at times and angry because of this bv but just realize if you keep pluggin in and stay informed about our battle with bv you will conquer it.. Yes, it is a headache..Yes, I it is stressful but ladies hang in there.. Laugh a little if you can, smile even if you dont want to because of bv.. Just know that you will find relief.. I truly do believe that.. If you are experiencing any unsual discharges and or something suspect please go to the doctor we want you all healthy and we are not doctors so please get the appropriate help..We care.. That is my story and I am sticking to it...LOL
I just had to say that.. Sorry if it was cheesy..


Agree but I have to speak up. I use to love coming to this board but lately we have got some real fruit cakes coming in and that makes me angry. Especially when I have tried so hard to keep quiet.
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post Jun 27 2007, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE(lori @ Jun 27 2007, 04:21 PM) *
Yeah, I'm totally for that. I'm not here to fight.

All I said to Christina is:

1. don't use Estroil
2. don't expect boric acid to have cured you

Both sound advice, and I was rewarded with curses. I did not respond in kind, I just said what NEEDED TO BE SAID.

How can you tell someone what NOT to use SOMETHING? Again, CONTROL FREAK!

AGAIN LADIES, ALL LORI DOES IS TRY TO DEMEAN AND BELITTLE THE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.THERE IS NO TEAMWORK WITH LORI!

Jewels: Who is that other girl who got booted off this board by everyone? This might be her under another screen name. laugh.gif
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post Jun 27 2007, 09:10 AM
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SMILE EVERYONE...LIVE TODAY LIKE YOU HAVE NOT A CARE IN THE WORLD..YOU DONT CARE THAT YOU MAY BE HAVING BV AND OR BV SYMPTOMS, YOU DONT CARE THAT YOUR BOSS IS ON YOU BACK ALL THE TIME, YOU DONT CARE THAT THE SINK DRIPS ALL NIGHT,LOL... All I am saying is that we are all in the same boat and we are frustrated at times and angry because of this bv but just realize if you keep pluggin in and stay informed about our battle with bv you will conquer it.. Yes, it is a headache..Yes, I it is stressful but ladies hang in there.. Laugh a little if you can, smile even if you dont want to because of bv.. Just know that you will find relief.. I truly do believe that.. If you are experiencing any unsual discharges and or something suspect please go to the doctor we want you all healthy and we are not doctors so please get the appropriate help..We care.. That is my story and I am sticking to it...LOL
I just had to say that.. Sorry if it was cheesy..


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post Jun 27 2007, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE(lori @ Jun 27 2007, 03:48 PM) *
Yeah ... but it's all been pretty much USELESS, hasn't it?

Because from your research you should have learned ATROPHIC VAGINITIS is not the same thing as BV.
Wow, that's just not true. Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass.
For the record, I'm the one who alerted the Trich possibility in here just a couple of weeks ago, and Neverending is the one who pooh-pooh'ed that suggestion.

Fascinating.


1. Of course I know that Atrophic vaginitis and BV aren't the same thing. DUH! I'm saying I got bv because of the Atrophic vag.


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Atrophic vaginitis may make you more prone to vaginal infections caused by bacteria or fungi (yeast).

Atrophic vaginitis can also cause open sores or cracks in the vaginal wall.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000892.htm

2.I said I don't remember. I didn't say I was positive none of the girls had green discharge.

3. Are you looking for PRAISE LORI? Everybody say hail LORI. LOL! You are a control freak and I believe you have come to this board not to help people but to further frustrate them. And for the record, I usually skip over your posts but as I was going down the page and saw my name in your post, I had to read it. So, with that being said, I have no clue what you said 2 weeks ago. rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 27 2007, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE(bvgirl @ Jun 27 2007, 08:16 AM) *
TEAMWORK..TEAMWORK... Helps us all out..Being sensitive towards others and focusing on creating a positive atmosphere with our suggestions, opinions and views.. Lets continue to help one another and be kind towards one another..

Yeah, I'm totally for that. I'm not here to fight.

All I said to Christina is:

1. don't use Estroil
2. don't expect boric acid to have cured you

Both sound advice, and I was rewarded with curses. I did not respond in kind, I just said what NEEDED TO BE SAID.


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post Jun 27 2007, 08:59 AM
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TEAMWORK..TEAMWORK... Helps us all out..Being sensitive towards others and focusing on creating a positive atmosphere with our suggestions, opinions and views.. Lets continue to help one another and be kind towards one another..


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post Jun 27 2007, 08:39 AM
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Like, I stated before I take my probiotics with the yeast arrest.. Logically, anyone dealing with re ocurring bv and bv symptoms would gradually see that it may take a combination of things to use not to say overkill and irritate the vagina but not one over the counter or prescribed medicine that "cures" is the ONLY answer to help with bv and or reocurring bv symptoms... Just like I stated and use myself probiotics help and can help greatly and you just stated it too.. There is no miracle prescribed medicine and or over the counter product.. What works well for one may not be the answer for another..That is why bv and reocurring bv is so frustrating to deal with...A combination of the right products whether it be prescribed and or over the counter may help some and may or may not help relieve some for a prolonged time or not.. BV, is not just a simple situation to deal with..


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post Jun 27 2007, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE(bvgirl @ Jun 27 2007, 07:48 AM) *
If you feel like you are having some discharge that may worry you please go to the doctor and get checked out to see if there may be something else involved..

Yeap.

Good to see more voices of reason, finally.


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post Jun 27 2007, 08:31 AM
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ANITSIRHC--no no! it definitely helped and lessened the bv and symptoms. when it does come back it's actually different then it was before. it's thinner, it's like light brownish pinkish in color (instead of thick and yellowish-green) and it doesn't smell as bad, actually it's a completely different smell. it does smell though. and i did mess up with the dossage once. i went away for a long weekend and didn't realized i only had enough yeast arrest for 2 of the 4 days, so i kind of spread them out so they would last me until i got home and got a new jar. and while i did that, it did come back after like 2 days of not using it right. so maybe that's why it didn't work? that's the only time i messed up... i'm not sure if i should try it again for longer or if i should try something new. i didn't have any side effects except for a little itching once in a while. i'm going on vacation in 2 weeks to vegas and i don't want to have the green discharge while i'm there so after that i will decide what to do. i think i will only use the yeast arrest once every 2 or 3 days for now just to keep it away until i get back and decide what to do. thanks bvgirl for your help.

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I wish you all the luck in finding that it will help you in the long run and or finding a product that better suits you..I am a little concerned about the discharge you are describing.. The reason why I say that is that I do not experience a brownish pinkish with yeast arrest.. The discharge I have is just the leftovers of the suppository which is yellowish. Also, I did not experience the greenish.. I just wanted to point that out to you.. We are all different but with the discharge you are describing I just have not experienced that... Just voicing some concerns..If you feel like you are having some discharge that may worry you please go to the doctor and get checked out to see if there may be something else involved..You are much welcomed.. I thank you and the rest for your help..Teamwork to this helps us all...


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post Jun 27 2007, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE(neverending @ Jun 27 2007, 07:34 AM) *
I have put more than a year into researching this stuff and ladies everything that I have put in these posts have been true. Look them up for yourself and don't let asshole tell you any different.

Yeah ... but it's all been pretty much USELESS, hasn't it?

Because from your research you should have learned ATROPHIC VAGINITIS is not the same thing as BV.

QUOTE(neverending @ Jun 27 2007, 07:32 AM) *
I've been here for a year and a half and I don't remember any one girl complaining of green discharge.

Wow, that's just not true.

Now you're just pulling stuff out of your ass. Why have you gone crazy, Neverending? Was me saying your Dr. Helen is a quack really that upsetting? That buying unlabeled hormone pills from the internet is a bad idea? That's got you so mad you've lost your marbles?

QUOTE(neverending @ Jun 27 2007, 07:32 AM) *
Did your doctor do a wet prep or culture? I remember being in the lab and everytime we got a prep in where the tip (of the swab) was green, it was usually TRICH. I'm not trying to say anyone has been unfaithful to you. It's just a thought!

For the record, I'm the one who alerted the Trich possibility in here just a couple of weeks ago, and Neverending is the one who pooh-pooh'ed that suggestion.

Very fascinating.


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post Jun 27 2007, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE(bvgirl @ Jun 27 2007, 07:27 AM) *
Well, if you ASK me if it cures it cures meaning that you should not have to deal with it again and or deal with it reoccurring.. Put it this way if it cures then that means that you should not have it to reocurr..

No, not really.

I could have gonorrhea (example). I could take [whatever cures it]. I am cured. BUT I could always get it again.

So logically, one would focus on the prevention of that recurrence (i.e., don't expose myself to gonorrhea again).

So that's the way I think about it. Flagyl "cures" the BV, and then you have to find a way to prevent the recurrence. And I think this is a better way to think about it than to simply tell everyone "flagyl doesn't work at all," because you said so yourself - no OTC product can cure it, either.

And again, my focus is on overall health, not just controlling the symptoms. As I said before, an untreated BV infection can have serious health effects. Just controlling the symptoms - which is what you're suggesting - is not enough.

QUOTE(bvgirl @ Jun 27 2007, 07:27 AM) *
If there is a "cure" for reocuring bv and bv symptoms let me know and then I may change the way I feel about it..

Yes, it's called pro-biotics. (The opposite of anti-biotics.) Dr. Stewart agrees with me. I really wish I had read her book earlier, so it wouldn't have taken me years and many hours on the internet to figure that out.

She's very discouraging about pro-biotic products that actually work, though (she calls it a "pipe-dream"). But the book was written in 2002, so hopefully the products that have come out after that are more effective. (e.g., fem-dophilus, released in 2006) Do I *know* that it's a cure? No. But the way it claims to work makes the most medical sense, and the research is good. Step in the right direction, at the very least.


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post Jun 27 2007, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE(lori @ Jun 27 2007, 03:28 PM) *
Now you're just making stuff up.

- Atrophic vaginitis can cause vaginal discharge and irritation, period. It doesn't develop only after a "long" time
- A woman of any age can suffer from Atrophic vaginitis, not just older menopausal women

Please read, learn, and inform yourself for YOUR sake, and stop spreading misinformation for everyone else's.


I have put more than a year into researching this stuff and ladies everything that I have put in these posts have been true. Look them up for yourself and don't let asshole tell you any different.
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post Jun 27 2007, 08:15 AM
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QUOTE(anitsirhc @ Jun 27 2007, 03:09 PM) *
no no! it definitely helped and lessened the bv and symptoms. when it does come back it's actually different then it was before. it's thinner, it's like light brownish pinkish in color (instead of thick and yellowish-green) and it doesn't smell as bad, actually it's a completely different smell. it does smell though. and i did mess up with the dossage once. i went away for a long weekend and didn't realized i only had enough yeast arrest for 2 of the 4 days, so i kind of spread them out so they would last me until i got home and got a new jar. and while i did that, it did come back after like 2 days of not using it right. so maybe that's why it didn't work? that's the only time i messed up... i'm not sure if i should try it again for longer or if i should try something new. i didn't have any side effects except for a little itching once in a while. i'm going on vacation in 2 weeks to vegas and i don't want to have the green discharge while i'm there so after that i will decide what to do. i think i will only use the yeast arrest once every 2 or 3 days for now just to keep it away until i get back and decide what to do. thanks bvgirl for your help. smile.gif


Not to get in your business but green discharge is something different than many of the ladies have experienced here. I've been here for a year and a half and I don't remember any one girl complaining of green discharge. Did your doctor do a wet prep or culture? I remember being in the lab and everytime we got a prep in where the tip (of the swab) was green, it was usually TRICH. I'm not trying to say anyone has been unfaithful to you. It's just a thought!
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post Jun 27 2007, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE(neverending @ Jun 27 2007, 07:12 AM) *
I've read that if you let Atrophic Vag. go for soooo long, it will mimick other symptoms (like bv). I am too young to have had Atrophic vag. ...

Now you're just making stuff up.

- Atrophic vaginitis can cause vaginal discharge and irritation, period. It doesn't develop only after a "long" time
- A woman of any age can suffer from Atrophic vaginitis, not just older menopausal women

Please read, learn, and inform yourself for YOUR sake, and stop spreading misinformation for everyone else's.


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post Jun 27 2007, 08:10 AM
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QUOTE(lori @ Jun 27 2007, 09:07 AM) *
Untrue.

Prescription medicine says it can cure. The problem is that the BV recurs. This is an important distinction that everyone is missing. To say that the meds just "don't work" is wrong - because that means that it has no activity against BV at all, not even for a day, and that is untrue.

The key is to figure out how to prevent that recurrence. Not to beat this horse to death, but I don't know why no one gets this.

I totally understand everyone's reservations about taking the antibiotics. I wrote in my very first post that both flagyl and clindamycin have made me ill. Not to mention that I recently learned that both drugs can cause other types of vaginitis in our bodies, and possibly other long-term side effects. (Believe me, I'm quite upset about these discoveries, but it's better to know than not. Not to mention that I'm just as upset as anyone that there are no better solutions available.)

But make an informed choice rather than just rely on false statements in here that say, "antibiotics don't work."



Well, if you ASK me if it cures it cures meaning that you should not have to deal with it again and or deal with it reoccurring.. Put it this way if it cures then that means that you should not have it to reocurr.. Again.. Yes, I understand that bv ocurrs and reocurrs but I do not totally BUY into a cure (an actual medicine or product) that CURES bv.. I think about it in a totally different way than you do.. That is how I feel and I do not care about what a product says it cures because if you ask me if I am to be cured by a product I should not have to deal with it reocurring.. That is how I feel no matter what anyone says or states what a product can cure regarding bv.. Maybe it is chemical and maybe its because some people can be cured by one of many many products that are out here but to me because I have been through so many prescribed medicines( and believe me the pharmaceutical companies cannot make money off of one product that "cures" someone from something they see profit and the many products they create or mastermind will only fatten their wallets so the more products that say that "cures" one of bv the more money they make off of us who are suffering chronically from re occurring bv and bv symptoms that should not be reocurring because of the "cure" product that they mastermind to cease all bv and its reoccurring epidodes.. So, why don't they "cure" the reocurring bv? Yes, I know it is related and or closely related to our ph balance but where is the "cure" for that? Thats my story and I am sticking to it... That is how I feel I have every right to feel this way becasue I am living with bv and bv symptoms even though they are not present currently these are my feelings exactly..If there is a "cure" for reocuring bv and bv symptoms let me know and then I may change the way I feel about it..
Yeast arrest has helped relieve my bv and bv symptoms but it is not a cure becasue it can come back again anytime this I know and many here know that any product whether over the counter or prescribed is not 100% guaranteed to help relieve you of bv and or cure and or stop any re ocurring bv ... I never said to anyone to not take what was prescribed to you by your doctor, I never said that prescribed medicines dont work what I am saying is do not be upset if it does not help or work.. I am making the correct steps to stay informed and keep a broad view about bv...One product or prescribed medicine that "cures" will not always benefit everyone..We all have different tolerances..


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post Jun 27 2007, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE(anitsirhc @ Jun 27 2007, 06:15 AM) *
lori, i've refused to take the medicatios because i've used them numerous times and they don't work. why would i take something over and over again when i know it doesn't work? i'm very desperate to find something that works and that's why i try things that other people on here have tried successfully.

it would be stupid of me to take the same medications the doctor give me over and over again when it just comes back a lot worse after every time i take it. so yes, i refuse to take the medications. no i'm not going to go through a week of flagyl every month to waste money and time and probably do harm to my body, not to mention feel like crap. only to have it come back a week later a million times worse than before. no thank you.

i'm in a terrible mood as it is because this didn't work, honestly i don't need you telling me that boric acid won't work when i've been reading this forum longer than you have. i came here to vent, not for someone to talk to me like i'm stupid for thinking something might have worked for a change.

by the way, neverending was not the only person who had success with the estroil. and who are you to say her problem wasn't bv?
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Hun if you listen to Lori you'll never figure out what's wrong with you and you will be here another year. I had BV/HORMONAL vag! Plan and simple. I had the shit, fish, tuna, trash, ammonia, and even the popcorn smell. I had the white milky discharge. Everything that you ladies are going through, I've been there. TRUST ME! Everytime I went to the doctor that's what I was diagnosed with BV. I've read that if you let Atrophic Vag. go for soooo long, it will mimick other symptoms (like bv). I am too young to have had Atrophic vag. and I think the doctors didn't consider it because of my age but time after time I told them I never had any problems until I stopped taking the birth control. That should have clicked in there minds but it didn't so I did what I had to do and it worked.
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