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jsell1981
post Oct 11 2011, 09:41 PM
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Hi everybody, I'm a newbie on here just looking for some advice and a place to vent. I have been suffering from chronic BV off and on since I was 13. I was picked on in middle school because of this and also by men as an adult. It appears that now that I am in my "child bearing" years (30) the situation has gotten much worse. When I was younger I was able to take the antibiotic and be BV free for years at a time. Over the past two years I have probably had BV about 10-12 times, maybe more. I am always prescribed an antibiotic and then subjected to STD testing when it comes back because the Dr. can't explain it otherwise. I have tried RePhresh, didn't work and very messy. I have tried VH Essentials suppositories, worked unti the dose was over and then symptoms came right back. I have tried the hydrogen peroxide douche, helps with the smell immediately but eventually stopped working and I hate douching. I was treated with Flagyl in April 2011, came back in August 2011. The last time I was treated with Flagyl was on August 28, 2011. That same day I started taking Fem-Dophilus, one capsule per day. I have been on the probiotic since August 28th. As I sit here typing this, I now have BV again. I have had it so many times that I immediately know when I have it. Starts with a horrible odor and dishcharge, sometimes it escalates to burning and sometimes it doesn't. I don't understand how there can be so much watery discharge but yet I feel so dry and itchy/burny. I don't even go the Gyn anymore for it, I just go to Centra Care and they give me a prescription with refills without an exam because they trust that I know my symptoms. I just finished filling my last flagyl refill online which I will pick up tomorrow. My question is, am I not taking enough Fem-dophilus? Should I be taking two capsules a day? Should I take one capsule twice a day or two capsules once a day? I live in a big city and Fem-dophilus is easy to find so I'd really love for this stuff to work! I really don't know what else to do anymore. I don't douche and I don't use scented soaps. Sex is not even fun anymore. This always seems to come back a few days after my period ends. I am not on birth control because I don't have sex often and my periods are very regular. I have even thought about getting on the birth control that stops your period for months at a time to see if that keeps it at bay but I don't like the side effects of birth control pills either! I really hate taking medication and would love to be done with Flagyl forever! Help!
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post Sep 20 2011, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(RockMamma @ Sep 17 2011, 08:36 PM) *
Julie,

BV is caused by an imbalance between "good" bacteria and "bad" bacteria in the vagina.
Whenever a woman sees a doctor and is diagnosed with BV, the doctor always prescribes antibiotics. And it is essential that if you start the antibiotics you finish all of them. Otherwise your BV will return and it will take stronger antibiotics to fight off the infection. But the challenge with antibiotics is that they can't tell the difference between "good" bacteria and "bad" bacteria and it kills it all.

BV is the most common vaginal infection in women 15-44 and many women have recurring bouts of BV so I prefer using natural remedies to combat the disruptive irritation. Visit http://vaginosisnaturalcure.com/ to read about natural remedies and home remedies. Much safer than taking antibiotics when you don't have to.

Hi!

If you don't mind me asking, what remedies have you used that work for you? Does what you do work in the short term (as in temporary relief), or long term (your BV clears up completely)?

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post Sep 17 2011, 07:36 PM
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Julie,

BV is caused by an imbalance between "good" bacteria and "bad" bacteria in the vagina.
Whenever a woman sees a doctor and is diagnosed with BV, the doctor always prescribes antibiotics. And it is essential that if you start the antibiotics you finish all of them. Otherwise your BV will return and it will take stronger antibiotics to fight off the infection. But the challenge with antibiotics is that they can't tell the difference between "good" bacteria and "bad" bacteria and it kills it all.

BV is the most common vaginal infection in women 15-44 and many women have recurring bouts of BV so I prefer using natural remedies to combat the disruptive irritation. Visit http://vaginosisnaturalcure.com/ to read about natural remedies and home remedies. Much safer than taking antibiotics when you don't have to.



QUOTE(julie @ Aug 9 2011, 07:03 AM) *
hey im new here..
anw.i have been reading every where bout BV..ITS KILLING ME..M STRESSED OUT.

please help

i found out that i had bv 3 months ago..but i didnt realize that its serius
i stop the antibiotics as soon as the symptomes went
i didnt finish the course
n it came back
and then i went twice to the doctor and had two rounds of antibiotics
but it jus came back
so i used boric acid with coconut oil for a week n it came back
so i used it again for two weeks and during that time i had my period too.
and then now m back with the BV

please help.i dont know what to do anymore..exept suiside
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RockMamma
post Sep 17 2011, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(julie @ Aug 9 2011, 07:03 AM) *
hey im new here..
anw.i have been reading every where bout BV..ITS KILLING ME..M STRESSED OUT.

please help

i found out that i had bv 3 months ago..but i didnt realize that its serius
i stop the antibiotics as soon as the symptomes went
i didnt finish the course
n it came back
and then i went twice to the doctor and had two rounds of antibiotics
but it jus came back
so i used boric acid with coconut oil for a week n it came back
so i used it again for two weeks and during that time i had my period too.
and then now m back with the BV

please help.i dont know what to do anymore..exept suiside
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julie
post Aug 9 2011, 07:03 AM
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hey im new here..
anw.i have been reading every where bout BV..ITS KILLING ME..M STRESSED OUT.

please help

i found out that i had bv 3 months ago..but i didnt realize that its serius
i stop the antibiotics as soon as the symptomes went
i didnt finish the course
n it came back
and then i went twice to the doctor and had two rounds of antibiotics
but it jus came back
so i used boric acid with coconut oil for a week n it came back
so i used it again for two weeks and during that time i had my period too.
and then now m back with the BV

please help.i dont know what to do anymore..exept suiside
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Melissa777
post Jul 6 2011, 03:43 PM
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Hi everyone!
so update on my progress (BTW this is Melis19750- I had to make a new sign in because i could not remember my password!)
anyhow
so its been a long struggle.
So far much better. I have a small area now that is still red and a little inflammed. near the opening of vagina. Went for check up- the nurse pract- who i LOVE and actually like better than my GYN- saw NO YEAST and NO abnormal bacterial overgrowth. although sent in for cultures just to be sure.
she did notice some white-ish discharge but thinks its just from ovulation. I do also have "normal looking" clear stringy discharge. NO Odor.

as for what my condition was in April- I was severly inflammed and irritated. lots of redness... almost all of that is now gone!

Although now my only symptoms are once and a while a little itch or slight burn- goes away... comes back...
and a small red spot near entroitus (sp?) I wonder if thats just from all the past boric acid usage. Nobody knows.

But I no longer feel dry.

also I do NOT use anything vaginally- except to wash externally dove unscented sensitive skin... or just simple plain water.

I am eating back to normal- and gained a few pounds... so Im considering sticking to the yeast free diet because I do like the weight loss effect from it.

but I dont notice any differance in my symptoms with or without the diet.
so Im almost pos this is not a yeast issue.

also- I moved... my newer GYN/Specialist thinks I might have been misdiagnosed with a yeast infection back in Jan. Because as stated in the past my former gyn stated "I see some glabrata yeast under the micro scope".
However all yeast cultures and gen pap came back normal many times...even that time

my GYN/vulvar specialist said "It could have been cotton from the swab used on the smear that made her think it was non albican yeast- this newer DNA yeast test is very sensitive to yeasts..and yours came back negative every month." Not only that he said: "You cant tell under the microscope which strain it is- you need a culture for that- you can only tell if its non albican or albican"

so- Im really posting this to warn you all that may be confused- really rely on testing being done, because you can over treat something minor like simple dermatitis or a pH imbalance and make things worse.

Im finally able to sit for long periods of time without being in pain and wear a tampon!

I only hope and pray I continue to recover.

oh yeah and BTW- I was on diflucan for 2 weeks (16 days) at 100 mg a day from my former doctor... who thought and agreed with a microbiologist that it was yeast in the skin. My new doctor does not believe in this theory and he said "if you had yeast- you killed it by now".

sometimes I think we panic... I know I did

anyhow I am off to a full recovery- gotta train my brain to believe I will completely heal.

Im doing acupunture and NAET (natural version of allergy treatments)
so I feel both are helping
and also- my allergies seem to be improving yeah

BTW- I love the pro biotic by renew life the vaginal support one
I take it daily with fem-dophilus
and also lactoferrin which helps the probiotic grow

oh- and i will no longer insert probiotics vaginally- can lead to more harm then good!!!

take care
and God Bless
Melissa
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swt simplicity
post Jun 19 2011, 06:46 AM
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QUOTE(littlebirdsmile @ Jun 15 2011, 07:35 AM) *
Okay, so I am new here but I will give it a go. I had BV issues in the past and I haven't really had any flare ups in a very long time. I just recently had one and went to the GYN and she gave me the Metro Gel for 5 days. I finished that but now I am just having the sensation of vag dryness without the dry part. Something just doesn't feel right. Also, there is a discharge that is clumpy and white; I am wondering if that is due to the gel? I have been using some of the products made by VH Essentials. I am crossing my fingers that if I continue to do their "upkeep" advice that I can avoid future reocurrences.

On another note, I am thinking about starting birthcontrol and I read up on the positive effects of bc on bv. I was wondering if anyone has had any luck with that?

Thanks! smile.gif


If you just started experiencing these symptoms, it could just be that your vaginal flora is recalibrating and balancing itself. If a week goes by and your still dealing with the same symptoms, then you should call your doctor and tell him/her about it. Yes, I think the clumpy white discharge you've been having is because of the gel. I used RepHresh's vaginal gel for three days, and I had this gross, thick, lumpy, white discharge, and apparently that is normal. Even though that isn't the same as Metro-Gel, it's still along the same idea.

What have you been using by VH Essentials?

People have said going on birth control has prevented bacterial vaginosis, basically because birth control normalizes the hormones, and keeps everything constant. Women with BV have a significantly less amount of estrogen in their vaginal flora compared to women that have a healthy vaginal flora (source). I also did a summarized post about it on my blog (here). In your case, I don't know if taking birth control would be neccessary since it sounds like you experience a bacterial vaginosis flare up once in a while. But, the decision is yours, and be sure to choose the right kind if you decide to take it. Taking birth control has one of those things that makes you more prone to yeast infections though (source). That could be due to the extra hormones in the birth control pills. More estrogen = more food for the yeast.


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post Jun 15 2011, 06:35 AM
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Okay, so I am new here but I will give it a go. I had BV issues in the past and I haven't really had any flare ups in a very long time. I just recently had one and went to the GYN and she gave me the Metro Gel for 5 days. I finished that but now I am just having the sensation of vag dryness without the dry part. Something just doesn't feel right. Also, there is a discharge that is clumpy and white; I am wondering if that is due to the gel? I have been using some of the products made by VH Essentials. I am crossing my fingers that if I continue to do their "upkeep" advice that I can avoid future reocurrences.

On another note, I am thinking about starting birthcontrol and I read up on the positive effects of bc on bv. I was wondering if anyone has had any luck with that?

Thanks! smile.gif
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swt simplicity
post Jun 4 2011, 09:29 AM
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I came across some great news about a product called VivaGel that is more effective than any other treatment for bacterial vaginosis. In the clinical trials 89% of the patients treated were clinically cured of bacterial vaginosis. VivaGel is expected to avoid any of the shortcomings of the other treatments for bacterial vaginosis, like resistancy and side effects since it doesn't absorb into the body. It can be used in the long term for prevention and in Japan, there is already a license agreement for VivaGel coated condoms. This is nice, since bacterial vaginosis can flare up during and after sex. VivaGel can be used to prevent the transmission of the herpes virus, HPV, and HIV too. Sometimes these sexually transmitted diseases can be passed with the use of a condom, so this is also amazing news.

I just knew there would be a product in the future that would be safer and more effective than antibiotics for the treatment of BV. All it took was a little bit of time, well, a long time. It takes such a long time for medications to be tested, effective, and safe to use for the general public. Some clinical trials actually last years, as high as eight possibly even longer. I'd love to know how the results are coming for those l.crispatus suppositories since l.crispatus is one of the most abundant good vaginal lactobacilli, if it even made it far enough?

Here are some links to more information about VivaGel, they're absolute must reads:
  1. VivaGel Demonstrates Efficacy in Bacterial Vaginosis
  2. VivaGel Coated Condom
  3. VivaGel for STI Prevention
  4. VivaGel for Bacterial Vaginosis

Since VivaGel is going through the third phase of clinical trials, it is not yet available. Sounds like it will be available soon with all of the licensing and buzz about it.

Yay for more options! I can't get over how promising these results !
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post May 27 2011, 07:46 AM
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QUOTE(sweetsong @ May 25 2011, 04:11 PM) *
well surprise surprise, flagyl didn't work at all. i'm going to call and request another prescription. any recommendations? i know anti-biotics are shunned for bv, but i am absolutely desperate, and i think i know how to counteract them with probiotics by now so i'm not a complete dummy.

It could be that the bacteria have now become resistant to some of the previous antibiotics you've taken. You should request something you haven't tried before. A suppressive course of antibiotics is one of the last resorts if nothing works, which does help some.

Sorry if I offended you with the probiotic comment. I just wanted to make sure that you knew. Sometimes it's the little things that matter the most.


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post May 25 2011, 03:11 PM
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well surprise surprise, flagyl didn't work at all. i'm going to call and request another prescription. any recommendations? i know anti-biotics are shunned for bv, but i am absolutely desperate, and i think i know how to counteract them with probiotics by now so i'm not a complete dummy.
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post May 20 2011, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(sweetsong @ May 19 2011, 03:08 PM) *
so i just got home from my appointment. it is indeed BV once again. she prescribed me two weeks worth of flagyl, which i don't feel great about, but hopefully i can take it and balance it with some probiotics and knock it out for good.

Remember to take the probiotic two to three hours after you take your antibiotic. You want to avoid the chance that your killing the beneficial bacteria of the probiotic by taking the antibiotic and probiotic within the same time frame. Did you get your vitamin D levels checked?


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post May 19 2011, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ May 17 2011, 07:43 AM) *
Don't forget to be very specific about your symptoms during your appointment. You might want to bring a small notepad that has any notes or questions you want to mention too.


so i just got home from my appointment. it is indeed BV once again. she prescribed me two weeks worth of flagyl, which i don't feel great about, but hopefully i can take it and balance it with some probiotics and knock it out for good.
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post May 18 2011, 03:24 PM
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CORRECTION the Metrogel and flagyl was for 5 days not 7. I forgot to add after the May 5th check up the doctor gave me Terconazole Vaginal Cream to use for 7 days. To prevent infections and to help me build more good bacteria. Its been a full week since I have finished my dose of Terconazole Vaginal Cream still no BV no smell and no discharge. I check constantly. I have not had sex in 9months mad.gif unsure.gif lol this may also be a contributing factor. I continue to take 2 acidophilus pills at bed time, I drink alots of water (I do sneak in some orange juice or I make my own fruit juice w/o sugar). I eat lotssss and lotss of fruit and veggies daily. I admit I do sneak in a few pieces of candy once in a while but not to often because I do not want to disturb my bed of roses! lol

I really hope this continues for me and I hope my post helps some/ALL of you ladies!

QUOTE(swt simplicity @ May 17 2011, 07:43 AM) *
Don't forget to be very specific about your symptoms during your appointment. You might want to bring a small notepad that has any notes or questions you want to mention too.


I've heard holding in urine can cause urinary tract infections because holding in the urine can cause a bacterial build up (source). It makes sense that the bacteria after urination could migrate to the vagina by wiping the area.

I didn't know bacterial vaginosis is often associated with urinary tract infections ...

(NIH) Association of Urinary Tract Infection in Women with Bacterial Vaginosis

I like that she didn't suggest cranberry juice. It's usually loaded with sugar which makes things worse.

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QUOTE(sweetsong @ May 16 2011, 04:29 PM) *
i'm calling today to make an appointment. i can't afford this under any means, but i'd rather be in debt forever than live my life like this.

Don't forget to be very specific about your symptoms during your appointment. You might want to bring a small notepad that has any notes or questions you want to mention too.

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HI Everyone,

I haven't not been on here much but I felt I needed to tell what has been going on down there lol. On March 31st I had my annual checkup with my GYN. The normal GYN was not in so I was examined by someone new. I told her my history with BV and she gave me a look. Because my discharge was so bad she was not about to get a clear pap smear done. She told me she wanted to put me on the good old Metro Gel and Flagyl I told her no I have been on it many times and I did not feel like giving it a try for the fifth time.

To make a long story short she begged and insisted this would work time this time around. So I gave in. She subscribed Metro Gel vaginally for 7 days and flagyl orally for 7 days at bed time, only water and too urinate 8-10times a day (never holding my bladder) lastly she told me to come back in a month to get a complete pap smear. A month later (May 5th) I went back and NO BV, clean, clear and smell free pap!! I am sooo happy.

I didnít know that if you hold your bladder the bacteria in your bladder could spill over into the vagina (not literally but so so)
**Side not during that month I changed my eating habits as well, I take 2 tablets of Acidophilus I have also cut down my meat intake to once a week (strictly chicken or seafood), no candy, 5 or more fruits a day, lots of veggies and water ONLY)

I've heard holding in urine can cause urinary tract infections because holding in the urine can cause a bacterial build up (source). It makes sense that the bacteria after urination could migrate to the vagina by wiping the area.

I didn't know bacterial vaginosis is often associated with urinary tract infections ...

(NIH) Association of Urinary Tract Infection in Women with Bacterial Vaginosis

I like that she didn't suggest cranberry juice. It's usually loaded with sugar which makes things worse.


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post May 16 2011, 07:58 PM
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HI Everyone,

I haven't not been on here much but I felt I needed to tell what has been going on down there lol. On March 31st I had my annual checkup with my GYN. The normal GYN was not in so I was examined by someone new. I told her my history with BV and she gave me a look. Because my discharge was so bad she was not about to get a clear pap smear done. She told me she wanted to put me on the good old Metro Gel and Flagyl dry.gif I told her no I have been on it many times and I did not feel like giving it a try for the fifth time.

To make a long story short she begged and insisted this would work time this time around. So I gave in. She subscribed Metro Gel vaginally for 7 days and flagyl orally for 7 days at bed time, only water and too urinate 8-10times a day (never holding my bladder) lastly she told me to come back in a month to get a complete pap smear. A month later (May 5th) I went back and NO BV, clean, clear and smell free pap!! I am sooo happy.

I didnít know that if you hold your bladder the bacteria in your bladder could spill over into the vagina (not literally but so so)
**Side not during that month I changed my eating habits as well, I take 2 tablets of Acidophilus I have also cut down my meat intake to once a week (strictly chicken or seafood), no candy, 5 or more fruits a day, lots of veggies and water ONLY)
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post May 16 2011, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ May 15 2011, 04:00 PM) *
Don't scare yourself doing internet diagnosis'. Sometimes you could have something completely different. I did an internet diagnosis (while I was suffering from my on-albican yeast infection) and thought for the longest time that I had bacterial vaginosis when I had something else entirely.

You don't have insurance? I'm really sorry to hear that. If it is something like an ovarian cyst or a disorder of some form, there's only so much you can do without medical intervention.


i'm calling today to make an appointment. i can't afford this under any means, but i'd rather be in debt forever than live my life like this.
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QUOTE(sweetsong @ May 15 2011, 02:04 PM) *
after i read your reply, i did more research on my symptoms and found a few things about cysts, dysplasia, and other things i know nothing about. now i am worried. i don't have health care though, so a trip to the doctor isn't a feasible option right now. shoot.

Don't scare yourself doing internet diagnosis'. Sometimes you could have something completely different. I did an internet diagnosis (while I was suffering from my on-albican yeast infection) and thought for the longest time that I had bacterial vaginosis when I had something else entirely.

You don't have insurance? I'm really sorry to hear that. If it is something like an ovarian cyst or a disorder of some form, there's only so much you can do without medical intervention.


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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ May 15 2011, 09:39 AM) *
I'm pretty sure many women on this forum can relate to you: humiliating vaginal odor, embarrassment, discomfort, and the like. Talking about it is the best thing you can do, especially since stress more often than not intensifies your symptoms.

You say that the discharge is "brown and changes daily", that's really unusual. And it smells like "crap", which is also uncommon. I'd like to think the brown discharge is due to your menstrual cycle, if it's not, then you should really see a gynecologist. The smell could be due to blood that is decomposing. Your symptoms don't sound typical of bacterial vaginosis.

NatureMade is a GMP certified (high quality, standardized, frequently tested ...) supplement brand that is sold at most drugstores, Walmart, Kmart, and places in between). It's the brand that usually has a bright yellow cap on their vitamins. I suggest you try one of their vitamin D supplements, I know one is for 1,000 mg (roughly $8.00 maybe) and another is as high as 5,000 mg (almost $18.00), maybe there is a few in between. They offer coupons on their website too. Depending on how low you are in vitamin D or how much you think you need, you can choose what's best for you. If you do plan on taking the one that contains 5,000mg, only take it as long as neccessary.


after i read your reply, i did more research on my symptoms and found a few things about cysts, dysplasia, and other things i know nothing about. now i am worried. i don't have health care though, so a trip to the doctor isn't a feasible option right now. shoot.
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QUOTE(sweetsong @ May 15 2011, 12:17 AM) *
the odor continually smells like crap, literally. that's the best way i know how to describe it without going into detail or telling one of my many humiliating stories. (i hate even admitting that, but i guess this isn't really the place to feel embarrassed..) the consistency is really thin. the color changes daily, it seems. yesterday it was darker brown, today it's really light brown. and today's been a worse day, so i'm not sure if that means something or not.

also thanks to swt simplicity, your responses are always incredibly thorough, and encouraging. i'm going to get a good vitamin d supplement tomorrow.

my spirits are low. just when i start to think i'm getting better, i have a day like today.

I'm pretty sure many women on this forum can relate to you: humiliating vaginal odor, embarrassment, discomfort, and the like. Talking about it is the best thing you can do, especially since stress more often than not intensifies your symptoms.

You say that the discharge is "brown and changes daily", that's really unusual. And it smells like "crap", which is also uncommon. I'd like to think the brown discharge is due to your menstrual cycle, if it's not, then you should really see a gynecologist. The smell could be due to blood that is decomposing. Your symptoms don't sound typical of bacterial vaginosis.

NatureMade is a GMP certified (high quality, standardized, frequently tested ...) supplement brand that is sold at most drugstores, Walmart, Kmart, and places in between). It's the brand that usually has a bright yellow cap on their vitamins. I suggest you try one of their vitamin D supplements, I know one is for 1,000 mg (roughly $8.00 maybe) and another is as high as 5,000 mg (almost $18.00), maybe there is a few in between. They offer coupons on their website too. Depending on how low you are in vitamin D or how much you think you need, you can choose what's best for you. If you do plan on taking the one that contains 5,000mg, only take it as long as neccessary.


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