[kittenb]

Just a warning: according to Defamer, the new Entertainment Weekly has some big spoilers. I haven't gotten mine yet, but I think I am going to hold off reading it for a few days.

[bunnyb]

eyelet, Charlotte told Daniel last season that she was born on the island.
I wonder whether Miles was the baby at the beginning of the first episode of this season, the one who we wondered the significance of...

Ben's lawyer has fixed it so that Hurley is cleared of charges (the timing of the murder now coincides with him being in hospital, I think. I was looking forward to how they would bring off a prison break in/out.

As soon as Locke asked if anybody spoke French, I thought of Danielle and think it's really cool how they brought her back into the story.

I'm thinking that when the six go back/try to get back that they need to time it so that it was as if they never left. Everybody on the island looks to be dying already (nosebleeds) or are following suit and it's only been ONE DAY so there's no way that they're alive three years later (in the Oceanic 6 present).

I hope Ben doesn't kill Penny. I love Desmond and Penny (and little Charlie) and want them to be safe and happy.

I agree with the mind blown sentiments.

[musicfit]

I was intrigued when Ben had everyone but Hurley rounded up. I wonder how they're going to get him out of prison? It certainly won't be without a fight. Man, I feel bad for Hurley. He's in for some seriously stinky shit.

I wasn't surprised that Ben was the one trying to get the baby. I thought the first time I saw it that it was him. It is interesting that Claire's mother just happened to be using the same lawyer as Ben. Hmmm...

So whatever happened to Claire? Does anyone have any ideas? She was never confirmed dead on the show, yet the writers never mentioned anything about her being back. So she could be dead. I really am dying to find out what happened to Claire. I have the feeling they are not going to tell us for a long time.

There's obviously still a lot of attraction between Jack and Kate. I really liked them as a couple.

Now...when are we going to find out what those smoke monsters are?

[eyelet]

So Jin must have been going through all the same time travel flashes as the rest of the group, but he was just floating out on the ocean and on this last flash they landed in the 70's along with Danielle's crew.

Miles probably is a child of the island. A few posts back someone said that Charlotte was born there. I don't remember where that idea might have come in and am curious. No mention of Desmond and family in this episode...Desmond has to go back to the island too, right? Or is he exempt because he was on the plane?

[ketto]

I knew Jin wasn't dead. For some reason that one...that one didn't sit right with me. I thought they made it too cheesy with Sun visiting his grave last season and everything. I wasn't surprised to see him and when I saw the Frenchie's I figured it was Danielle. Interesting stuff. I have no theories now. I'm just watching and waiting to see where it goes.

[kittenb]

Well, my head just went BOOM. While it is nice to see Jin alive we all know that putting him with Danielle and the French is not goo b/c all her people died.
Hoo boy. I can't wait to see what Sun is about to do.
Interesting to realize that Miles couldn't be sure that he hadn't been on the island before. Don't know what it means but it was interesting.

[musicfit]

So...further down the rabbit hole we go. It seems like the time flashes are becoming more frequent and now several people have nose bleeds. Ben has managed to get more of the 6 back together. My head is still spinning after this one. Any ideas?

[bunnyb]

Reading back, syb, I see that I misread; I was confused with the Desmond/Daniel talk...
So you think that Theresa is somehow travelling back in time to the island? I took that comment as Daniel being reminded of his mother but I can see how it could relate to Theresa too.

I was happy with this episode not concerning the Oceanic 6 too; I feel that there is too much drama with them and it was nice to bring it back to the island and that other island, Great Britain. I was happy to see lots of Sawyer and Desmond .

[sybarite]

Was there a suggestion earlier that Widmore was Daniel's father? I feel I missed something...

I was more struck by the fact that Faraday thought 1954 soldier girl 'looked like someone he once knew'. I thought by that they meant Teresa, the girl in the hospital bed who Desmond visited in Oxford...

Finnoula Flanagan does great menace btw. I'm looking forward to seeing more of her. I kind of liked an episode w/out the LA-based characters; for some reason Jack et al are annoying me a little (except for Sun lately).

[bunnyb]

So, I still think that Daniel's mother is Mrs Hawking, especially now that we know she's in L.A. (I'm assuming Ben was still in L.A. when he went to see her).

I think perhaps that the female Other from !954, the blonde called "Ellie" who took Daniel to see the H-bomb, could be his mother at a younger age ... it lends credence to the idea that Widmore is his father, although he woudn't be conceived for another 20yrs or so. I think there's a good chance that Mrs H was on the island at some point and that's why she's tied up with it all. I'm more inclined to believe though that Charlotte is Widmore's secret child rather than Daniel, as she was born on the island and there's definitely some mystery there and Widmore is only financing Daniel's research so he can find the island (and the link of his mother with the island). Oh who knows? it's so confusing!

I loved that Desmond and Penny named their son, Charlie; I thought that was incredibly sweet.

[designermedusa]

That's what I was wondering kittenb, so he did say in love not just love. Ok, then no way can that be his daughter.

[musicfit]

I just watched episode 3 again and I was mistaken. I thought Widmore was Desmond's son, but it wasn't, it was Widmore. Sometimes my ADHD mind gets all jumbled up and gets characters confused. I think it's because Desmond's wife is Widmore's daughter, therefore I got him confused with Desmond. Sorry if I started too much confusion.

[kittenb]

Also, is Charlotte, Faraday's daughter?

What?! But....no...it can't be. Daniel didn't say, "I love her." He said, "I am [i]in/i] love with her." That isn't how he would talk if she was his daughter. At least I hope not.

[designermedusa]

Questions about last night's episode: Are we to assume that the lady that took Faraday to the H. bomb is his mother and that the young Charles Whitmore is his father? Why else would Whitmore finance his research.

Also, is Charlotte, Faraday's daughter? Someone mentioned that on another message board, but I hadn't thought if it.

[kittenb]

I don't think that Richard wears guyliner. I've seen the actor in other roles and he just seems to have these thick, dark eyelashes, even on the bottom. I think it is just natural.

Who did we see that you think was Desmond's relative? I must have missed that. I did catch that it was Widmore who was being such a junior Army jerk.

I need to go back and revisit Desmond's story. I am confused.

[musicfit]

So now after the last episode, I'm even more confused. Basically, they were back in 1954 and they met these others who are army guys speaking in Latin which is the same language that the others 40 years later were speaking. And I think they saw Desmond's relative (was it is son or his father?) back in 1954. It had to have been his father.

So now Locke is trying to get off the island through talking to eye-liner guy (I call him eyeliner guy because he's always wearing eye-liner) he's the guy who's really really old but looks young and keeps popping up everywhere (creepy bastard).

They are all going to go insane on that island if they don't figure something out soon.

Any thoughts?

[bunnyb]

I thought it was Sun at first too... I think it was intentionally to mislead us but also perhaps to suggest that their baby is somebody (Sun's father, perhaps)? Who knows...

Also, how did Daniel manage to get to the frozen ship wheel/time change area? I imagine that it occurs during one of the many time shifts (where the losties and freighter geeks move and not the island).

And is Fionnula Flanagan/Miss Hawking Daniel's mother? I'm figuring she is as there is such a connection between Desmond and Daniel and Desmond and her...

Sun is scary.

[kittenb]

You are not alone in thinking that about the woman in bed, musicfit. Actually, I think that was intentional casting to make us wonder who we were watching.

I described them as different realities because I couldn't think of a better way to say it. There is the reality in the rest of the world where the 6 are bumping around LA and each other as well as Ben and Locke's (possibly dead) body. These people are going through time in a linear way like the rest of us do. Then there is the reality on the island where only the Lostaways and Daniel, the redhead, and Miles are bouncing through time with no control of the bouncing. Ben does not seem to be on the island anymore. However we see Locke alive and bouncing through time and we see Desmond as he was during the time that he met Daniel (I almost wrote, "...as he was in the past," but who knows what really counts as past at this point .)

[musicfit]

I'm just as confused, girl.

I noticed that the woman in bed with the Dr. from the past in Dharma Initiative looked like Sun only much older. I'm most likely wrong, because no one else noticed that.

I'm thinking there are probably different time threads that people are moving in and some of the characters are just in different threads of time. Perhaps that's what happened to Claire? We never saw her die, so we don't know if she is really dead, but she was in the cabin with Jacob. Hmmm...

The most interesting twist is the fact that Ben has been told if he doesn't bring the survivors back to the island the world will end. That is what I took "than God help us all" to mean.

Didn't you love Hurley hurling the hot pocket at Ben? That's exactly what I would do if that creepy bugger popped up into my kitchen like that.

Anyone have theories about time threads, etc.?

[ketto]

kitten, what do you mean by 'both realities'? I understood that the stuff happening OFF the island is 3 years in the future - everyone who is still ON the island is 3 years in the past.
Remember, for everyone on the island Kate, Jack, Sun, Aaron, Sayid, Hurley, etc have all JUST left within the last few hours. Locke still has to get off the island himself and die so he can bring the six back three years later; that hasn't happened yet.

I figured that they were the ones moving through time and not the island. What's his name...the physics guy... said early in the episode that either the island was moving in time or they were. Because when Locke was with that other guy (i can't remember anyone's names now) and the other guy disappeared and then later when he came back to help locke with the bullet wound said "I didn't go anywhere, you did" I took that to mean that they were moving in time and not the island.

I don't think anyone would be able to run into themselves because physics dude already said they can't change the past...the reason he could talk to Desmond is because Desmond is his constant (like Penny was Desmond's constant when he was time jumping or whatever). He didn't explain why you can't change the past but I just figured it was the writers way of avoiding that whole situation of people running into themselves.

Holy cow I'm starting to get confused.