[Allison-Shine]

Hey gals. I am looking for some sage words of wisdom. Can any of you offer up any advice on going through high school with tiny breasts? I get teased A LOT because of it. I am 16 years old and don't even fit into a AA cup. They seem like they are in that quasi-"almost boob" stage of an 11-year-old. I am also short, skinny, with a boyish figure. Every time i seem to get to the point where I am getting close to loving my body for what it is, somebody seems to tear me down about it. Interestingly enough, it's mostly other GIRLS and not the guys. Why do you suppose that is?

Did you get teased? What are some constructive ways of dealing? I am sorta conflicted. On one hand, I REALLY want my breasts to grow over the summer. On the other, I shouldn't HAVE to have or want bigger breasts in order to validate myself as a woman, you know?

Also, please tell me things will get better after high school. Thanks!

I was an A cup at your age (32B now since I was 18), I did not get teased too much about it but I did feel insecure then of course. I only feel more insecure about it now as I get older because I see more and more younger girls and some at even much younger ages than I that seemed to be more "blessed" in that area than I am now. My sister is 16 and a 36C and she loves to brag about that, so does her same-aged and equally-endowed friend.

Its funny that you mentioned an 11-year-old as an example. One of my older friends has a daughter who is 11 and already is an 1" taller than me and her chest, although still smaller than mine, is ready to bust out (no pun intended ), by looking at it you just know hers will.

It can be hard to validate yourself from time to time but hopefully we can all help each other as this forum is designed to be. I look forward to input and advice as well.

[Allison-Shine]

Nice to see this thread moving again. I am always looking for new advice and input. I don't usually seek it from a guy but if it is sensible sometimes I will consider.

[angie_21]

Yikes, I'm away for 2 days and I'm 2 pages behind! I just read over this post and I don't know what on earth I'm getting at here, but posting it anyways. I kinda feel like Geoff got pounced on just for trying to help out, but I also agree with AP on a lot of things.

Hey Goeff, I want you to know that I personally was not at all offended by anything you had to say, or the fact that you said it. I don't give a rats fat butt about who talks to me about my breasts, or what they say, or what their reasons are - all I care about is that people are having an open, honest discussion, and are not out to try and hurt eachother. And considering what horrible things have been written by men on feminist websites I have been to in the past, I really liked what you had to say. However, I'm really confident and comfortable with myself, and a lot of girls here aren't that comfortable - that's why they're here to get support from other women, and that's why a lot of men writing on this thread would not be very helpful.

BUT - I hate the idea that men and women shouldn't be able to talk about their bodies openly just because some men are abusive & objectifying of women's bodies. That only keeps up the myth about women's bodies being mysterious and different, when in reality we sweat, fart and sh*t just like men, and are generally equally disgusting. I spend most of my time in the "Bodies" forum becuase it's interesting and important to me. So why should men be excluded if they want to have a nice, respectful conversation? We already spend a lot of our time in this thread discussing what men do or don't like about our breasts. I mean, basically this whole thread is about "men like small boobs, too!" So what exactly is wrong with a man saying the same thing?

I guess I'm guilty of thinking it's that kind of party, too. Where is that bowl of mashed potatoes?

That all being said, I really really do understand the concept of "women's spaces" where we can have open, honest discussions without the fear of being discriminated against for what we're saying. It's really, really important, and that's why everyone kind of pounced on you Geoff. Because if you are actually in here to get your jollies from reading about boobies, that really sucks. I just think it's sad that sometimes women have an automatic reaction that men are always out to get them, when my personal life experiences have generally shown the opposite to be true. I think that sometimes there's a *bit* of reverse sexism here. I mean, we spent like 5 pages theorizing about why men go to strip clubs, and saying some pretty mean things about men in the process. I love it most of the time, because I've also run into a lot of asshole men out there and this is a great, supportive place to be able to blow off some steam about it. So Geoff, you have to understand that it's gonna happen here, and see if you're thick-skinned enough to handle it.

[Aithinne]

Wow, we have a dry spell for weeks and now it's hot!

I know we automatically cringe when we see men post on here and it is a place more for women, but based on what geoff has written so far, I'm willing to cut him a little slack. To me, he sounds genuine and has, if not the right attitude, then certainly an attitude well on the correct path for this board.

We're talking about how men don't understand all the other issues associated with breasts, but this seems like a great place to learn.

[geoff]

What the fuck kind of blog on bullying linked to our thread related to small breasts? There are tonnes of links about girls & boys that get picked on, but somehow Geoff found the one teen bullying link to being small breasted in the Lounge? It's not like small breast bullying has come up enough here that it'd be high in any search engine. Especially when we have a thread *dedicated* to bullying & there are lots of other bullying specific sites that would have come up first.

I don't think the entire blog was on bullying, just that post. I'm not completely sure because I didn't read every entry in their blog, either. I was just reading news, and one article linked to a blog or two, and those linked to another blog or two. I didn't keep track of the links I was following, and I can't find them again now. I have absolutely no idea how they found this forum and thread, or why they linked to this thread, or why they didn't link to the bullying thread, but that's what they did. The link could've even been in a random person's comment after a news article or blog entry, but I usually don't read many of those. I simply don't remember.

The article on bullying that I did save a link to was on CNN, but the story was from Oprah, and it had several good links to other articles on bullying (all on her site) that I also read yesterday. I may post them in the bullying thread. But, of course, those don't have any links to outside forums.

And while he did offer encouraging advice to our youth, he still felt the need to sort of cancel it out by expressing his breast preferences & saying he was down with the "special boobie handshakes". Um, special boobie handshakes are between girls only.

Well, I said that I wasn't sure what they were, but that they sounded nice from the description I read. This is the description I read. The post and its quote said, "for all those lurking tiny tittie lovers," and "smallie-loving men," which I thought described me - and I still do. Except for the lurking part.

When I was reading this thread, it sounded like a place where everyone was very open, honest, and supporting, and I liked that. Since then, we've established that it's a more tightly-knit group than in most forums, and it takes awhile before you know people here well enough to join those threads or get that personal, and I apologized for overstepping my bounds.

I'm not a predator or even a creep, though I realize there's no way to prove that here except over time, and there's no conspiracy that I know of on the Interwebs to subvert this group. It was simple chance that I stumbled onto the thread, and then my mistake for barging in too quickly. Again, I'm sorry for that.

[auralpoison]

. . . between that and the recent suicides in the news, it's just been reminding me what a special kind of hell all the teasing and bullying in high school can be. That's how I found this discussion - I read a blog on that topic that linked to this thread.

Wait a minute. I can't believe I missed this last eve, now my giney senses are tingling & not in a good way.

What the fuck kind of blog on bullying linked to our thread related to small breasts? There are tonnes of links about girls & boys that get picked on, but somehow Geoff found the one teen bullying link to being small breasted in the Lounge? It's not like small breast bullying has come up enough here that it'd be high in any search engine. Especially when we have a thread *dedicated* to bullying & there are lots of other bullying specific sites that would have come up first.

And while he did offer encouraging advice to our youth, he still felt the need to sort of cancel it out by expressing his breast preferences & saying he was down with the "special boobie handshakes". Um, special boobie handshakes are between girls only.

Something is smelling rotten in the Lounge . . . or else I'm making a paranoid mountain out of a lovely, innocent molehill.

[pollystyrene]

There's a line from Seinfeld where Jerry's talking about fights in high school or something and Elaine says that girls just tease each other until someone gets an eating disorder.

Sad but true.

[KeraBear]

Well, there we go then. You see where we are coming from. Thank you, Geoff.

/derail

See, we do have a bullying thread, I considered bringing it back to the fore if Kera wanted to talk about what was going on with these girls. I think F/F bullying is a lot different than m/m bullying. Guys pull pranks & do shitty things to each other, yeah. Girls will try to systematically tear other girls down to absolutely nothing, set them on fire, & piss on their ashes before doing a jig atop them.

Heh... a bit extreme but yeah, that sounds about right. What a sad, sad high school world I live in. Assuming that sorta crap actually stops after high school... thanks for thinking of me!

[auralpoison]

Well, there we go then. You see where we are coming from. Thank you, Geoff.

/derail

See, we do have a bullying thread, I considered bringing it back to the fore if Kera wanted to talk about what was going on with these girls. I think F/F bullying is a lot different than m/m bullying. Guys pull pranks & do shitty things to each other, yeah. Girls will try to systematically tear other girls down to absolutely nothing, set them on fire, & piss on their ashes before doing a jig atop them.

[geoff]

As far as rules/stickies go, Geoff, . . . Common Sense. I realize this is the intarwebs & all, but you basically introduced yourself to a party full of FEMINIST women, proceeded to step into a conversation about something fairly personal, & offered your not too terribly useful insight.

I see no reason for you to leave, Geoff. Watch, listen, join in where it's appropriate. You could probably fit in just fine with a little bit of forethought & time.

Hi Geoff! I agree with AP - I didn't find any of what you said offensive, it was just a little bit inappropriate to leap straight in (given that you are addressing a 16-year-old girl on the subject of her breasts).

It would make us very happy if you would stick around and join in the chat on some of the threads that don't relate to breasts or sex. There are men who post happily in this forum and are welcomed, and they are pretty awesome

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be creepy. I have some friends who have kids getting into that age range, and between that and the recent suicides in the news, it's just been reminding me what a special kind of hell all the teasing and bullying in high school can be. That's how I found this discussion - I read a blog on that topic that linked to this thread.

You're right; this forum is deeper than most, so I should've started with some of the less intimate topics. I'll try that.

[auralpoison]

Always glad to be of service! Remeber to tip your server, & if you're gonna drive don't drink & if you're gonna drink don't drive.

And forgot to add: Polly =

[karategrrl]

I admit it I do enjoy the odd fuckwit, though . . . us ripping PLover a new asshatch was fucking fun. I was still picking pieces of that weak-ass motherfucker out of my teeth two days after he punked & ran away with his cock/bawls all crawled up into his body cavity for protection.

OMH, I am CRYING with laughter over here.....Bwahahahaha!

...and just a sick thought...he couldn't have gotten the cock/balls so far up if not for great, strong Kegels!

[karategrrl]

Then, if their schtick isn't vulgar, crass or purely retarded, it's the nice/mega-cheesy guy routine: All breasts are great, guys love 'em big or small, they individually prefer smaller & are proud of it, they share an anecdote wherein they felt they were being judged by their appearance & how they dealt with it, again all breasts are great, & we should love our bodies, ourselves.

And do our kegels. Shout out to SmooveB!

But it often comes back to the same thing with many men, doesn't it? That breast are for adornment, for nabbing Mr. Right, female completion through male validation. They frequently don't know about/consider the variety of things that vex us about our mammaries, like buying a swimsuit, inverted nipples, menstrual breast aches, marked unevenness, fibroids, breast feeding, jogger's nipples, etc. Men don't empathize with the OTHER issues of having breasts because they don't have them, hence they can only expound about what they actually know: they are fun to look at & play with & they're happy as clams when they get to.

Aurol, you just turned my (otherwise SHIT) day totally around.

I felt our new poster boy's attitude was hella better than SmooveB and such, but yes...heard it all before... <<Yawn.>>

[auralpoison]

. . . it just feels strange when men zero in on this thread right off the bat.

Y'know what? I'm so used to it I don't even blink anymore. I just roll my eyes, tut, & start sharpening the verbal ginsu.

They're men: Sex & genitals are pretty much ALWAYS pretty close to their mental surface, so naturally they migrate to the threads that might offer something to fap to. Which tells me that the ones that roll up in here for the most part don't care about anything else we have to say or what we think. They just want . . . wait for it . . . TITillation. Ba-dum-dum!

I always wonder: How do they find the Lounge? Sure, you type the word "bust" into google & we're your first hit, but I'd imagine the main page where it talks about it being a FEMINIST rag for outspoken broads would be enough of a clue to not come up in here & act all a-fool. Common sense, right? Apply some IRL rules? Like, maybe they should check a community out before diving in head first so they don't wind up with a crack in their skull & a pointy toed boot in their ass (This is why I never "auditioned" for Jezebel. I'd be disemvoweld in a heartbeat!).

I admit it I do enjoy the odd fuckwit, though . . . us ripping PLover a new asshatch was fucking fun. I was still picking pieces of that weak-ass motherfucker out of my teeth two days after he punked & ran away with his cock/bawls all crawled up into his body cavity for protection.

[KeraBear]

*delurks again....not being a very good lurker*

Hey KeraBear! I'm glad you've found the responses helpful. I lurk in this thread a lot because it's such a joyous, body-positive place.

Isn't it though?!?

Hi Geoff! I agree with AP - I didn't find any of what you said offensive, it was just a little bit inappropriate to leap straight in (given that you are addressing a 16-year-old girl on the subject of her breasts). Also, the fantastic ladies who post in this thread generally celebrate small-booby hotness without dissing those of us who are more substantially built.

It would make us very happy if you would stick around and join in the chat on some of the threads that don't relate to breasts or sex. There are men who post happily in this forum and are welcomed, and they are pretty awesome.

ETA: If you're not sure what threads to head for, ask in the community forum or newbies thread.

*relurks*

Yeah, good point. GIven that he only had three posts AND was chatting up a 16 year old about her breasts IS a bit on the creeepy side...

[girl_logic]

yeah, auralpoison articulated it, it just feels strange when men zero in on this thread right off the bat.

[pollystyrene]

...you didn't wait to see if it was gonna be that kind of party before you stuck your dick in the mashed potatoes.

Aural, it's lines like this that make me love you!

[Persiflager]

*delurks again....not being a very good lurker*

Hey KeraBear! I'm glad you've found the responses helpful. I lurk in this thread a lot because it's such a joyous, body-positive place.

Hi Geoff! I agree with AP - I didn't find any of what you said offensive, it was just a little bit inappropriate to leap straight in (given that you are addressing a 16-year-old girl on the subject of her breasts). Also, the fantastic ladies who post in this thread generally celebrate small-booby hotness without dissing those of us who are more substantially built.

It would make us very happy if you would stick around and join in the chat on some of the threads that don't relate to breasts or sex. There are men who post happily in this forum and are welcomed, and they are pretty awesome.

ETA: If you're not sure what threads to head for, ask in the community forum or newbies thread.

*relurks*

[auralpoison]

auralpoison,
I definitely tried to make it clear that I wasn't re-stating things because of any "nothing a woman says is true unless a man validates it" attitude, but simply because it was a first-person view. I apologize if it sounded patronizing to anyone; it certainly wasn't the intent.

Geoff, I know you were not trying to offend or be malicious. I do appreciate the fact that you did take the time to introduce yourself & that you didn't come across as a total dick. I do. Thanks! BUT. After I read your newbies intro I made a *leetle* wager with myself, "If Geoff's first post is in one of the breast/sex threads & he plays the same tunes as those who came before him, I will give myself a bright & shiny nickel." Clearly, I am flipping said nickel like Edward G. Robinson right now.

Look, it's like this: 98.4% of men who start posting here immediately go into the breast threads or the sex threads. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. They can't turn the cock off for a half an hour to peruse the forums for something non-physical/sexual they might be interested in talking about. They don't post about the latest book they read, they don't post any good vegan recipes, they don't post about third wave feminism, they don't post about what they think of California upholding Prop 8, they don't post about volunteer work, they don't post angst about their jobs, they don't post angst about their familes, etc. Oh, no, they boldly offer us the male persepective on our bits because that's the *most common sense* place to start addressing women that by & large align themselves with the dreaded "F word". "Tits. They're hella feminist! Let's talk about yours!"

Then, if their schtick isn't vulgar, crass or purely retarded, it's the nice/mega-cheesy guy routine: All breasts are great, guys love 'em big or small, they individually prefer smaller & are proud of it, they share an anecdote wherein they felt they were being judged by their appearance & how they dealt with it, again all breasts are great, & we should love our bodies, ourselves.

And do our kegels. Shout out to SmooveB!

But it often comes back to the same thing with many men, doesn't it? That breast are for adornment, for nabbing Mr. Right, female completion through male validation. They frequently don't know about/consider the variety of things that vex us about our mammaries, like buying a swimsuit, inverted nipples, menstrual breast aches, marked unevenness, fibroids, breast feeding, jogger's nipples, etc. Men don't empathize with the OTHER issues of having breasts because they don't have them, hence they can only expound about what they actually know: they are fun to look at & play with & they're happy as clams when they get to.

As far as rules/stickies go, Geoff, . . . Common Sense. I realize this is the intarwebs & all, but you basically introduced yourself to a party full of FEMINIST women, proceeded to step into a conversation about something fairly personal, & offered your not too terribly useful insight. It wasn't offensive, just inappropriate. You didn't give a host a hug, you didn't stop by the kitchen, you didn't grab a drink, you had no idle chitchat about the latest summer blockbuster, you didn't wait to see if it was gonna be that kind of party before you stuck your dick in the mashed potatoes.

I personally lurked around here for a LONG time to get the feel of the place & even then I started slowly with Media Whores before branching out into all forums. Only after a grace period did I unleash the unholy hell that is AP upon Busties & by then? It was too late for them all.

I see no reason for you to leave, Geoff. Watch, listen, join in where it's appropriate. You could probably fit in just fine with a little bit of forethought & time. You might want to remember your audience here: LOTS of grown damned women (And a few men!) that don't suffer fools lightly. Assclowns? Get ridden out on a rail by angry Lounge villagers with pitchforks & torches.

[KeraBear]

Kera Bear, I second what everyone said, and YES, it does get better as you get older. Actually, TONS of things get better, or at least I can speak for myself--body image, feeling empowered, feeling independent, sex got better, etc.

I was never athletic in high school but I started in my 20s and I loved the way it made me appreciate my bod for the marvelous instrument it is. I was into karate for a long time (surprise, surprise, ha!) and I actually loved the way my streamlined boobage was an asset in the dojo. Are you on any teams or can you join a club or after-school thing? I bet with the right girls around you--ones who share that sporty mindset rather than those who want to be catty be-otches--you might enjoy your time at school a lot more. Maybe track, gymnastics, cheerleading--anything where speed and agility are favored--might suit you well. I may be totally off, and please tell me if I am, but it's just a thought. Even taking waks or hikes by yourself just to clear your mind and do some postive self-talk might help you feel better and balance all that negative bullshit.

And not to sound corny, but I appreciate your reaching out to the board! Sharing some wisdom and supporting a younger "smallie" makes me feel good!

Yeah, to answer your question, I am on the track team. I do get some playful teasing there but it is mild. Probably because there are gals there who wish they had smaller breasts. :-) Heh...

Thanks to all who have helped me out so far. Yes, even Geoff. The "male perspective" was helpful anyways. He seemed okay. This board helps me stay grounded and I appreciate that very much.