[angie_21]

...but noticeable growth? Man, everyone would be doing it!
Good point Angie! What was I thinking?!?!?

Well, it could still be a good idea. some of the stuff I read indicated that regular massage helped to stimulate blood flow in and out of the breast, preventing build up of toxins that can happen if you wear a tight/underwire bra. So it should help keep things healthy, perky and possibly reduce the risk of breast cancer. It could be completely made-up, but it seems fairly realistic. and if you wear a padded bra all day like I do, those poor boobies can feel pretty suffocated by the end of the day!

I forgot to chime in Starship and agree your mom's comments were quite uncalled-for. My mom used to mention my weight when I first gained my freshman 15 after moving out. I pointed it out once, and she didn't even know why she did it! More to make an observation than to pass a judgement, I guess, but she stopped after that. Sometimes I think when their kids are older, moms start to feel like they aren't as much a part of their kids lives anymore, so they jump in and meddle with whatever seems obvious (boyfirends, physical appearance) without noticing that it's actually hurtful.

[strongirl]

I'm with KarateGrrl on the the upper body workouts as we did discuss a few months back. I also really like my "muscle cleavage" and it sure photographs well in low-cut tops! And the other advantages - greater strength, stronger core, that overall toned look - are all reasons to love and enjoy your body, similar to the things posted recently by folks who do belly dancing.

You should confront your mom, Starship. Shit, I've bitched out my mom over tons of stuff she didn't even deserve, as my son does to me, and everybody still loves everybody. If you can't lash out at your own mom and have her still love you, who the heck can you lash out at? And in your case, it is totally legit.

[karategrrl]

I've posted quite a bit here about workouts, particularly pecs, so I won't repeat. But, I did want to say I've seen a huge difference in how much better my chest looks from building up my chest muscles. No, it doesnt' make my breasts any larger, but it makes the whole area look nice and toned, and I have this nice little line running down the middle of my chest that is almost like "cleavage," if you will. the whole area looks better to the point where I think people notice the toned-ness and not the lack of boobage. I highly recommend it. (And thanks to hubby for showing me the exercises that really did the trick.)

For me, exercises using the cable machine (I think they're called "cable crossovers") was what created that little cleavage line. I recommend a couple of sessions with a personal trainer or consulting some fitness books to learn proper form with any workout, at least to get started.

Sessilee is gorgeous--thanks for sharing, starship! (And no offense, but could I come over and give your mom a slap!?)

[ailurophile]

...but noticeable growth? Man, everyone would be doing it!
Good point Angie! What was I thinking?!?!?

[girl_logic]

That's good to know Angie.

[angie_21]

I've done that too, though just as a side-effect from doing a lot of upper body strengthening at work, not intentionally. I ended up with them being a little perkier, and maybe sticking out a bit more, but since everything else got bigger too - my shoulders, back, and arms - my breasts themselves didn't look any bigger. In the last 2 years I've gone from 34A to 36A, so I don't know if that would be the result you're looking for. BUT it did make me feel like my upper and lower body are now more proportional to eachother. Having wider shoulders helped create more of an hourglass look, and helped to fill in some shirts that were too big in the boob area before (even if it wasn't my boobs that were actually filling them in!).

It won't make you lose your boobs though - you can't target stomach fat with sit-ups, so you can't target boob fat with pec excercises either. Burning fat is, as far as I know, always a whole-body kinda thing.

[girl_logic]

Has anyone tried pectoral exercises? I'm wondering if they make the breasts appear larger, or does burning the fat make them smaller while gaining muscle? Will it at least make the girls a little "perkier"?

[angie_21]

Good to know I am not crazy, ailurophile. It's not like guys are taking out the tape measure every time they look at us. They just know when something looks good. Honestly, when you wear differently fitted clothes you'll make your body shape look different, so no one gets confused by a little variation here and there. And oh yes, things are different in Europe. In many different ways, though. Mostly it just seems to be a greater comfort and acceptance of the human body in general.

When I was 21 or so I attempted a few things, homemade herbal concoctions rubbed onto the chest area, thought about buying that herbal crap they flog in women's magazines, etc. I didn't try very hard, but the consistent evidence seemed to be that it was a load of hooey. The herbal stuff just makes you retain water, so your boobs look bigger temporarily. And some of it gave me dizzy spells. Not worth $50 a bottle, that's for sure! I imagine sesame seed oil would make them look nice and purty, and massaging them is supposed to be good for health and perkiness, but noticeable growth? Man, everyone would be doing it!

Starship, there are so many beautiful small celebrities out there! My sweetie is in love with Kiera Knightly (don't know if I have her name spelled right lol) and I always thought Gwen Stefani and Nicole Kidman rocked the small boobies rather beautifully.

[ailurophile]

Thanx Starship! She is beautiful. But how come I don't look that sexy topless??? Need to work on my self esteem I guess.

Has anyone heard of applying sesame seed oil into your breasts to increase size and/or firmness? Or massaging breasts to enlarge them? I've read many articles on both. Since sesame oil contains calcium, protein, iron and phosphorous, it is supposed to be effective if applied twice a day. Massaging twice a day is also said to increase size. I know it sounds ridiculous and my gyno doc said he knows of nothing other than surgical implants that can change the size or shape of breasts. It's just that I've seen so many articles on it. The only discrepancy I've read is that you have to do it at least one month. Others have said 6 months to a year. I know I'm a dork but I am on my ninth week and ....nothing. They say to be patient. If I could reach the size of my padded bra, I'd be thrilled. I would at least look feminine.

Regarding padded bras ...
KeraBear and Angie21: I too wear a padded bra. It is quite thick. I do go to the gym bra-less however. Big difference. I cannot find a comfortable bra with less padding. I bought one with less and one without and they are incredibly uncomfortable.
Anyway- -I work with two guys who go to my gym and they've seen me both ways. They never seemed notice and do not look to my chest when talking to me at the gym or work. Both have said I am the hottest girl there. Awww.... These guys are from Europe. Maybe things are different there.
I also asked my boyfriend, once I got to know him better, what he thought when he first went into my bra and realized how small I actually was. I wanted to know if he was surprised, if he could tell it was padding, if he felt it was false advertising, etc. He said that he "honestly didn't notice".

[starship]

Why does my mother feel the need to announce that i 'have no boobs'...at a family gathering....3x !!1! Ive never know a person so obsessed with breast size in my life. well, there is me, but at least i have the decency to do it in the privacy of err here. psht.

Has anyone mentioned Sessilee before? http://sessileelopez.blogspot.com/
she doesnt look that small in quite a lot of pics but she definately is:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3407/350343...10d1666.jpg?v=0
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B0W4wp2J33k/SQD6...ue+Italia02.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3290/306134..._5ca624a225.jpg
Beautiful.

[karategrrl]

Persephone3. welcome!! I couldn't agree more with your comments.

"How many men that you have truly fallen in love with have been perfect?"

Good point.

[Persephone3]

Hey Girls! I'm new here and generally more of a lurker, but I felt so strongly about some of your posts I had to reply. I too have felt the insecurity of not 'measuring up', but I find that as I get older it does not seem to matter as much. I don't believe there will ever be a time that I feel as confident as I should be. After all, it is confidence that is truly sexy. Many men would also agree with that.

I've lurked on many message boards and I find it disturbing that so many people have forgotten the true function of breasts. There was one example where a woman at college level was shocked that a woman's breasts were for breastfeeding, and she disgustingly compared them to a cow's udder. How does this happen? The author of the article explained that breasts are so hidden, that they have become sexualized. Therefore the only breasts that are seen by many men are through pornos. Is this a true representation?

I have also found that through many of these message boards that there are many men who actually LIKE small breasts. And even if they prefer large, they don't mind small. This has often bothered me because I don't want guys to 'mind' me, but to 'DESIRE' me. But ask yourself this: How many men. that you have truly fallen in love with have been perfect? They have their own insecurities too, and probably wonder about the 'first time'.

BTW - I've also heard a lot of negative comments about women with large breasts. I would not choose to feel better about myself at the expense of someone else. Can't we all be beautiful?

[karategrrl]

strongirl, yes beautiful story--thank you so much for sharing. It brought up memories of a few times I've been in trance dance/freestyle barefoot boogie circles and seen the sexiest women with yes, the sexiest bellies! CONFIDENCE goes a long way as far as being "beautiful"--something I admit I really should keep in mind more often!

I was reading an article in a back issue of Vogue about French celebrity Lou Doillon (whom we've discussed here) and she had an interesting take on having appeared in girlie calendars and French Playboy. She said that although she has "no tits" (her words) she feels it is like a "see, yeah, I am sexy after all, so there!" sort of thing. Though I personally wouldn't justify my sexiness based on such sort of "credentials," I can kind of see her point from a "fuck you" stance.

KeraBear, I agree with the other ladies here--it DOES get better as you get older! Part of it for me was an increased ability to choose whom I surround myself with in work and social circles, whereas at school, you're kind of all flung together according to age, nothing else. Hang in there!!!!!

[angie_21]

Strong girl, beautiful story!

Kera, I know how you feel. I used to worry about that all the time. But honestly, it's not a big deal, and unless you're pretending to be a size C, I doubt the guy will even notice! I am of a slightly different opinion than everyone else. I wear a padded bra all the time, and I used to think it would be noticeable how much smaller I am without it, but it's never been a problem. Most girls, not just smaller girls, wear at least light padding (just look at what the most common bra types are at lingere stores!) if for no other reason, than to keep their nipples from being as obvious. I am completely unashamed and unembarrased about it, I don't feel I'm hiding anything or putting up "false advertising." Most guys I know are well aware that girls put their good bras on when they're trying to get a guy's attention. And honestly, if he complains about the fact that he's actually getting to see you partly naked, he's not only an asshole, he's pretty stupid. And as far as I know, guys don't usually complain.

If we had to worry about "false advertising" just because of clothing, we'd all be in trouble. Imagine how guys feel, no one has a clue about their shape or size until they take their pants off!

[ailurophile]

Thanx for the input, all of you.... and the shrinkdown video. I can sew simple things so maybe I can do that.

KeraBear: I feel for you. I've been dating for more than 20 years (no one wants to marry me apparently ) and am always so embarrassed in the beginning of a relationship. I always have to explain the padding once the guy goes into my bra. I've learned alot since this thread though. I think it will be so mucher easier for you and you'll be much more comfortable, when he goes in and gets what he's expecting. You won't ever wonder if he thought you had more or if he's disappointed that you don't have more.

[KeraBear]

Karategrrl - Good advice. In in the interest of full disclosure, I will definitely be sure to rock the tight shirt while going braless at least once. Or maybe just a non enhanced bra, because my nipples seem to love saying hello to everyone they meet ... EVEN on hot summer days. Although most of the time a non-padded bra won't contain them. That is also where a little padding comes in handy.

Strongirl - Thank you for sharing that story. It was beautiful. That is how you know someone truly loves you right there. And yep, being young can seriously suck sometimes! In some ways, I am really looking forward to it, if not for just plain getting the experience over with! I am sure once the first time a lucky guy goes ga-ga over my little booblets, I will stop stressing over the idea nearly as much.

[anna k]

then stopped when he got to her belly. He then proceeded to bury his face in it and kiss it, stroke it, nuzzle it and just generally adore it, all the while moaning appreciatively about how beautiful she was - he did this for a long time.

That is beautiful. It reminds me of being with a guy recently, and during sexytimes, him kissing my stomach or just laying his head down on it for awhile. I've felt self-conscious about having a round belly, so I felt surprised that he felt so attracted to it.

[strongirl]

KeraBear - my heart goes out to you. You remind me why, even with all it's associated negatives, I sure like being old better than I liked being young, LOL.

I think the insecurity you feel about being seen naked is common - maybe even 100% - among girls who have not experienced it before. If it ain't their breasts, it's their thighs, or stretch marks, or hair somewhere it doesn't belong.... So you are in good company, believe me.

I have to share a story from a friend of mine about the first time her husband (then boyfriend) saw her naked and made love to her. This girl is big and beautiful, built like that primative sculpture, the Venus of Willendorf. She is very self-conscious about being fat and always hated her round belly. Her bf took her clothes off while she lay on a bed, then kissed her starting from her mouth, going right between her breasts down her breastbone, then stopped when he got to her belly. He then proceeded to bury his face in it and kiss it, stroke it, nuzzle it and just generally adore it, all the while moaning appreciatively about how beautiful she was - he did this for a long time. During which she became very aroused...and had tears of joy running down her face. Needless to say they've been happily together for over a decade now. I've always loved that story.

There are loads of guys out there who will feel priviledged and excited at seeing your little naked breasts, Kera, not disappointed at all. You are in for some wonderful experiences ahead!

All that being said, I've said in here before that I avoid padded bra's for this very reason - I do not want to "false advertise" or set myself or anyone else up for what would at the very least be momentary confusion, and worst case, disappointment and a failed sexual encounter. I agree with KarateGrrl's recommendation. And the sooner the better.

[karategrrl]

Ailurophile, I think your web posting was spot-on! I think your BF did well with the shirt but not the other comments. (If you want to wear the shirt, you can always take it in:

T-Shirt shrinkdown

KeraBear, I an relate to your dilemma. One thing I've done in the past with "potential-to-see-me-nekkid" prospects was to, at least once, make sure I went braless or wore a non-enhancing bra under a tight shirt at some point. If he decided to proceed, I figured he was "informed." If he chose not to proceed, no harm, no foul, no hurt feelings.

[KeraBear]

I think you were pretty spot-on, too, Ailurophile. The only thing more hurtful to me than being called "flat" is being told i have no breasts. No... 8 year olds have no breasts. I am a young woman thank you very much!

I need some more wisdom! I recently started dating a guy. It's going really great so far and we really dig each other! But I am a little concerned because i have been thinking a lot about physical stuff. I don't know if anything will happen with this particular fella or not, but I do know that someday a relationship will reach the point where a guy may want to so see me topless. I don't even let my closest friends see my breasts. The thought of this absolutely petrifies me. Advice? Also I wear padded bras and stuff to give a bit extra. Would this be considered false advertising on my part? I dunno, I guess I am afraid that the winner of the "First Guy to Ever See Kera's Breasts Sweepstakes" will be disappointed when he finally unwraps the goodies.