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deb302
post Dec 22 2012, 01:19 PM
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hi all. been reading thru past posts as much as i can

I was fine until I went to the dr for a checkup/pap smear. except for A little heavy bleeding during my period, with clots. Got a call from office that the Pap smear came back postive for hpv and bv. Got my script for flagyl and had a colposcopy,blood work and transvaginal sonogram. Verdict was there MIGHT be a polyp in there. Doctor suggested d and c and eblation. Well, that was back in June. Since then, I have had 2 more scripts because the bv keeps coming back. Then, I had a period Aug 29 and not another one until the mid of november, when i just started bleeding every day. Doctors answer was another script. When I finally got in to see him in december, he says its probably just hormones and wants to do a d and c and an eblation still. I don't see how that will help with hormonal issues????
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post Nov 16 2012, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(2665melis @ Nov 16 2012, 01:12 AM) *
Hello All,
I need help. I have had CHRONIC BV for the past 7 years. The only time I did not have symptoms was about 5 years ago, after I had the LEEP procedures due to abnormal paps. After the LEEP, I was symptom free for approximately 10 months...then it came back! I have tried every prescribed medication offered. The last antibiotic I took was Tindamax, which did absolutely nothing!! My symptoms do not clear and then come back, they never go way, even during antibiotic treatments. Usually, I have BV symptoms during the whole course of treatment until a few days after treatment, when I develop a yeast infection. Once I treat the yeast, the BV symptoms are back as if they never went away.

I have a few questions for those who have struggled with this:

1. During all of this, I have routinely tested negative for all STDs with the exception of HPV. About 4 years ago my doctor said that while all my STD checks were negative, they may be wrong, and I may have Chlamydia. He prescribed antibiotics for the STD but I never took them. Could this be true? Would I test negative for all STDs for years and they be wrong? Should I try antibiotics for Chlamydia?

2. Has anyone ever tried the Rephresh gel? I used it twice (1 X ever three days) and now I have a large buildup of a white clumpy substance and is not draining. I'm still having a little bit of discharge, no smell, but when I insert my finger, it feels as though my whole vagina is filled with this substance that will not come out. Is this normal? Has anyone ever had a good outcome with Rephresh in relation to their BV?

3. I am now trying alternative methods for dealing with this. I have been to the doctor A LOT and they do the same damn thing every time, do a wet mount, tell me I have BV, and prescribe me an antibiotic that I've already taken without results because I've tried them all. Plus, when I call back after treatment and say it did not work, they refuse to prescribe anything else without a visit. I'm done paying co-pays to be told the same thing and given the same treatment. Anyone know what else I could try? I've tried the hydrogen peroxide rinses. I'm also taken folic acid, femdophilis, garlic, cranberry pills, vit c, and vit d. I have also gone off birth control and now only use condoms.

4. Has anyone tried vH Essentials BV Treatment Homeopathic Time-Release Vaginal Inserts? They sell them at Rite-Aid and Walgreens. They seem to have pretty good reviews and I'm thinking of trying them next. However, I'm afraid to put anything in my vagina due to the build up from the rePhresh, I'm afraid it may cause a bad reaction. Any thoughts on this?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
  1. Your doctor could potentially be right because one of the diagnostic tests for chlamydia is more sensitive. Did he perform another diagnostic test just to be sure? Did you ask how many STDs are being checked for? Most hospital clinics will only tests for only the most common STDs (like gonorrhea and chlamydia) and nothing else. That is why some people go undiagnosed with some STDs (like herpes, genital warts etc) and never know they had it. You should definitely ask your doctor questions about that. This situation seems rather strange in my opinion.
  2. Yes. I've tried the RepHresh Vaginal Gel. It did cause more discharge than usual because it's supposed to. The gel causes the vaginal epithelium to shed more than usual. I understand what you mean about feeling like there is a strange substance inside your vagina; that feeling will go away after it wears off and comes out along with your typical discharge. I don't know if RepHresh Vaginal Gel is effective enough to actually cure bacterial vaginosis, but it is very good at preventing it, particularly around the time before and after your period. In my personal experience, boric acid is also good for maintenance and it's also much cheaper and effective than RepHresh Gel. The acification it creates gives healthy bacteria time to recuperate. RepHresh Gel seems like its more for women who want to correct minor vaginal flora imbalances instead of actually treating anything. I think you might find BalanceActiv more effective since it actually contains lactic acid and it's used to treat bacterial vaginosis in the U.K.
  3. Repeated antibiotic use must have caused a microflora imbalance. This usually presents itself as minor or major digestive symptoms; or maybe you don't have any symptoms at all. But I'm personally convinced that it what your dealing with, and that makes it harder to have a healthy vaginal flora. This has been proven countless times in the science community. Although you've tried probiotics, I think you should still continue taking them, particularly a therapeutic probiotic that contains 20 billion colony forming units or more (that is guaranteed up to the expiration date). Look for one that contains lactobacillus plantarum (human sourced) since that is a healthy bacteria that is predominant in the gastrointestinal tract. Therapeutic probiotics are very expensive, but people with major microflora imbalances need a much higher dose to achieve a balance. And they generally have to stay on that probiotic if they want to maintain a constant balance. I'd be happy to recommend a few brands for you. I have personally noticed that probiotics with a few billion colony forming units don't have any affect on me whatsoever anymore. I actually have to take three or more RepHresh Pro-B pills for them to work their magic (although I do have a gastrointestinal disorder).
  4. You should wait until the RepHresh Vaginal Gel has run its course before you try the V.H. Essentials Suppositories. It should give you a better idea as to whether it actually works. Given your history, your probably dealing with very resistant bacteria, so I doubt it will cure your bacterial vaginosis the first time around. You might have to give it a few tries and try a combination approach for a while.
  5. I think you should try seeing an integrative medicine doctor or naturopath if your still willing to try a homeopathic approach. They will treat you with natural/herbal remedies instead of more antibiotics especially considering your health history. Rarely do naturopathic doctors or integrative medicine specialists prescribe antibiotics. It generally goes against their protocol.
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2665melis
post Nov 16 2012, 12:12 AM
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Hello All,
I need help. I have had CHRONIC BV for the past 7 years. The only time I did not have symptoms was about 5 years ago, after I had the LEEP procedures due to abnormal paps. After the LEEP, I was symptom free for approximately 10 months...then it came back! I have tried every prescribed medication offered. The last antibiotic I took was Tindamax, which did absolutely nothing!! My symptoms do not clear and then come back, they never go way, even during antibiotic treatments. Usually, I have BV symptoms during the whole course of treatment until a few days after treatment, when I develop a yeast infection. Once I treat the yeast, the BV symptoms are back as if they never went away.

I have a few questions for those who have struggled with this:

1. During all of this, I have routinely tested negative for all STDs with the exception of HPV. About 4 years ago my doctor said that while all my STD checks were negative, they may be wrong, and I may have Chlamydia. He prescribed antibiotics for the STD but I never took them. Could this be true? Would I test negative for all STDs for years and they be wrong? Should I try antibiotics for Chlamydia?

2. Has anyone ever tried the Rephresh gel? I used it twice (1 X ever three days) and now I have a large buildup of a white clumpy substance and is not draining. I'm still having a little bit of discharge, no smell, but when I insert my finger, it feels as though my whole vagina is filled with this substance that will not come out. Is this normal? Has anyone ever had a good outcome with Rephresh in relation to their BV?

3. I am now trying alternative methods for dealing with this. I have been to the doctor A LOT and they do the same damn thing every time, do a wet mount, tell me I have BV, and prescribe me an antibiotic that I've already taken without results because I've tried them all. Plus, when I call back after treatment and say it did not work, they refuse to prescribe anything else without a visit. I'm done paying co-pays to be told the same thing and given the same treatment. Anyone know what else I could try? I've tried the hydrogen peroxide rinses. I'm also taken folic acid, femdophilis, garlic, cranberry pills, vit c, and vit d. I have also gone off birth control and now only use condoms.

4. Has anyone tried vH Essentials BV Treatment Homeopathic Time-Release Vaginal Inserts? They sell them at Rite-Aid and Walgreens. They seem to have pretty good reviews and I'm thinking of trying them next. However, I'm afraid to put anything in my vagina due to the build up from the rePhresh, I'm afraid it may cause a bad reaction. Any thoughts on this?

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
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post Nov 15 2012, 10:38 PM
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Thanks for asking , this is very helpful info.

QUOTE(megh @ Nov 15 2012, 12:20 PM) *
I have an additional problem besides being small breasted and capital expenditure software . When I had surgery to correct inverted nipples, the doctor removed most of areola. Where there is no areola, there are scar lines.
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post Nov 15 2012, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(Rosaletta @ Nov 14 2012, 09:06 PM) *
Do you know if sticking Primadophilus Reuteri pearls up your vagina will help with either yart infection or BV?

Primadophilus Reuteri has a triple layered enteric coating that is meant to survive stomach acid (stomach acid has a pH around 1.5 to 2.0). A healthy vagina has a pH of 3.2 to 4.5 (with bacterial vaginosis, the pH can be as high as 9.0+), with that said, I don't think inserting Primadophilus Reuteri pearls will help with bacterial vaginosis. You should definitely take a good probiotic orally once or twice daily, but vaginally ... probably not. Pretty much all probiotics these days have a coating that is meant to withstand stomach acid, so they probably won't break down very well in the vagina.

Have you tried opening a Fem-Dophilus or RepHresh Pro-B capsule and applying it inside the vagina? There are studies on the strains that are contained in Fem-Dophilus/RepHresh Pro-B stating that they are also beneficial when administered directly into the vagina as a suppository, but I'm pretty sure the probiotic was not administered with the capsule since it has a very tough enteric coating. You could also crack open the capsule and insert the bacteria into gelatin capsules which dissolve easily. But that decision is up to you. There isn't much information about how to apply it as a vaginal suppository. You could contact Jarrow directly and ask.

I'm pretty sure some women on this forum have had success doing Fem-Dophilus suppositories along with taking it orally once or twice daily, and their infection has not reoccurred. It's quite possible since Fem-Dophilus/RepHresh Pro-B contains well documented probiotic strains that do in fact colonize and improve the urogenital tract (urinary and genital organs).


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post Nov 15 2012, 12:20 PM
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I have an additional problem besides being small breasted and capital expenditure software . When I had surgery to correct inverted nipples, the doctor removed most of areola. Where there is no areola, there are scar lines.
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post Nov 14 2012, 08:06 PM
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Do you know if sticking Primadophilus Reuteri pearls up your vagina will help with either yart infection or BV?
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post Nov 14 2012, 12:55 AM
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I have suffered from BV for 16 long years! Years of antibiotics, metrogel, probiotics, peroxide washes, changing soaps, washing underwear in Woolite, detoxing, no citrus, wheat, red meat, white starch, spending over $73 for a bottle of a probiotic & I went through 4 years celibacy. The past 2 years Ive been with my boyfriend, our intimacy is planned as i have to peroxide wash before & instead of cuddling, I take a shower, ALONE, so I can peroxide wash...again.

I decided to do a mini-detox starting my mornings off with warm lemon water (8oz glass w/2 shots of lemon juice). I went to the restroom, totally expecting to be disgusted & offended as usual, when I discovered, there were NO SYMPTOMS!

Today is the 13th day I've been drinking a cup of warm lemon water in the mornings & I STILL have NO SYMPTOMS! My underwear are not wet, I go to the restroom, theres nothing, i wake up in the morning dry & not smelly, my cycle has come & gone with NO symptoms & I had "unplanned" intimacy with NO FEAR!

Will this last? I dont know but I pray it continues! No antibiotic/wash/gel has kept me clear for 13 DAYS before-& lemons are a whole lot cheaper than antibiotics (which by the way I think my body may have built up a tolerance against, I mean, Ive been taking them 16 years!)
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post Nov 13 2012, 11:08 AM
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Like so many other women on this forum (and so many others!) I've been suffering from recurring BV for a number of years. Some of the suggestions on how to self-treat this condition (because I think we all are painfully aware that antibiotics are just temporary relief) are kind of scary when you first hear about them.

I actually came across this article awhile back - a study done at the University of Naples about the efficacy of using a peroxide wash/douche instead of the accepted antibiotic treatments for BV infections in 2003. At the very least, it supports the fact that yes, it is ok to use peroxide "down there", and at most, it shows that a peroxide wash is actually more beneficial than antibiotic treatment (it helps restore a proper vaginal pH level in 98% of cases).

Since reading the study, I've been using a (in my case, diluted, although this report and the experiences of others say diluting is not necessary) peroxide wash a) nightly for a week whenever I get the very first hint that a BV infection is on the horizon, and cool.gif as part of my "after sex" ritual (pee, wipe, peroxide wash), and I've not had to visit a doctor, or deal with any of the more embarrassing symptoms for nearing 6 months now (a freaking MIRACLE). I will say that I do have an active sex life with my boyfriend, so I tend to was pretty frequently as part of after-sex care, so I don't know how I would do if I used it less frequently.

I do take a probiotic, like many others here, and I drink tons of water, because everything is worse when you are dehydrated, but I think I've come to terms with the fact that this is just always going to be a chronic condition, and there won't be a permanent cure for me. The peroxide thing is annoying, yes. But so much less annoying than yet another infection, and it does give me some measure of comfort that this treatment isn't just psychosomatic - there is factual evidence that says yes, this is effective as part of a home remedy.
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post Nov 10 2012, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE(Rosaletta @ Nov 9 2012, 10:11 PM) *
I was using plain yogurt with sugar. I did not have yeast infection until I applied the yogurt. I do not know if it is extra Lactobacillus.

Can Lactobacillus from suppositories colonize inside the vagina?

You shouldn't apply yogurt with sugar inside the vagina. Or any kind of yogurt. Most of the bacteria would have died by the time you used it, and the warmth of the vagina will have killed the bacteria within the hour. Refined carbohydrates such as sugar from anything, including food and drinks will feed any kind of bacteria and yeast within the body, which is why its imperative to keep it to a bare minimum.

The thing about the probiotic suppositories is, there is no way of knowing if the bacteria is live when you actually use it. You might want to contact the manufacturer of the probiotic suppository you plan on using to see if it is guaranteed to have a certain amount of live bacteria up until it's expiration date. You may also want to check with the manufacturer about whether the bacteria is dairy sourced or human sourced, and whether they have research proving that it will colonize and adhere to the vaginal epithelium. If a company cannot provide that information, your probably better off trying something else. You don't want to waste your money on stuff that won't work.

The only product that I know of that hits all of those points is Gy-Na-Tren by Natren. It is a product that comes with vaginal suppositories for 14 days and it also comes with oral probiotics for 14 days. The vaginal suppositories contain boric acid, while the oral probiotic contains 5 billion colony forming units (CFU) of acidophilus NAS. You can learn more about the product (here). It probably isn't what your looking for since it offers boric acid suppositories. But, I personally think it's worth trying.

I think it would be a good idea to see your gynecologist just to be on the safe side. It's very likely that you'll misdiagnose yourself if you don't get examined. Even a gynecologist needs tests to be sure of what to treat you for. I think the yogurt you've been inserting has caused an imbalance so your vagina is shedding it's lining, which causes extra discharge) in order to get rid of the foreign substance that is inside of it.

If you really intend to do yogurt suppositories, you can make your own yogurt at home. All you need is milk, a yogurt starter (you can pick which bacteria you want in it), and a yogurt maker. You'll know that your yogurt is fresh and full of live and active cultures after you've made it.


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post Nov 9 2012, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(swt simplicity @ Nov 9 2012, 06:42 PM) *
Are you using plain yogurt without sugar, fruit, flavoring, or coloring? Either way, the bacteria in yogurt will not colonize inside of the vagina because it cannot adhere to the vaginal epithelium.


I was using plain yogurt with sugar. I did not have yeast infection until I applied the yogurt. I do not know if it is extra Lactobacillus.

Can Lactobacillus from suppositories colonize inside the vagina?
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post Nov 9 2012, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(Rosaletta @ Nov 9 2012, 01:03 PM) *
When I have bacteria vaginosis, I do not get white yeasty stuff on sides of vagina lips. Ever since I inserted plain yogurt into vagina, I get white yeasty stuff on sides of vagina lips that hurts a little. I thought yogurt helped to get rid of yeast infection instead of cause it?

Are you using plain yogurt without sugar, fruit, flavoring, or coloring? Either way, the bacteria in yogurt will not colonize inside of the vagina because it cannot adhere to the vaginal epithelium.

For wiping the outside of the vagina, the vulva, I think you should use Preparation H Medicated Wipes or Tucks Pads; they contain witch hazel which will soothe the itching and burning from the yeast infection you might possibly have. Witch hazel is also a natural antiseptic. You can also put a thin coating of boric acid around the vulva. Since you might be dealing with yeast, the boric acid should kill the yeast on contact with regular use. Try to give your vagina plenty of breathing room; no tight jeans, skirts, shorts or underwear.

Most remedies won't work for bacterial vaginosis. There are suppositories that you could try, such as boric acid suppositories for maintenance, and there is also a suppository for bacterial vaginosis called BalanceActiv that you can order from Amazon; it contains lactic acid which will lower the vaginal pH and create a hostile environment that will hinder the growth of the bad bacteria. With enough use, the vaginal flora should improve over time and clear up the bacterial imbalance. It has cured many women of bacterial vaginosis, and it can also be used for maintenance as well, like after your period, or after sex ... whenever you need it.


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post Nov 9 2012, 06:21 PM
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hey canadian girl thnks so much for the post.

Ive been to the doctors and got a course of antibiotics so all is well down there now. Good to hear your tampon method works for you. Personally I dont use tampons, I have an irrational fear of them!!

Must admit im really struggling with this whole work issue. I am so down, ive been having suicidal thoughts. Although think im too much of a coward to go through with it or i would have done it already. Im not sleeping at night cause im panicking about going into work. All day i just sit there and barely say a word so i dont draw attention to myself. And i just have to sit there and listen to the comments, and hear the smirks and see the emails flying round the office. And i know they will just tell teir friends about it ad more and more people will know about it. I got the courage to speak to a very good friend abot it and she is convinced im just being paranoid and not to b so silly, but she doesnt know cruel people can be. Its just so awful, nobody takes me seriously anymore, I cant bear when people look at me cause i know what they are thinking. Dirty bitch. And im not. But i understand why they think that. Considering not going back to work on Monday. I think I need to for my mental health.

Sorry for rabbiting on, but this is the only place i can vent. I really just want to die right now :-(

Your very lucky to have the infection clear up so quickly. If the infection is gone, then your situation should drastically improve from here on out. smile.gif

I also remember talking to my gynecologist about my odor and she also thought I was being self conscious. My only explanation to that is some people can pick up on the smell while others cannot. Another possibility is maybe the person is lying to avoid an awkward situation or avoid hurting your feelings. But if it is someone who is very comfortable with you, then they probably would be honest about it.


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post Nov 9 2012, 12:03 PM
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When I have bacteria vaginosis, I do not get white yeasty stuff on sides of vagina lips. Ever since I inserted plain yogurt into vagina, I get white yeasty stuff on sides of vagina lips that hurts a little. I thought yogurt helped to get rid of yeast infection instead of cause it?
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post Nov 1 2012, 02:38 PM
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Geez, you ladies are really suffering. I can relate; it took me 20 years to figure it out! Every woman's pH balance and vaginal ecosystem are so super delicate and unique. I don't profess to know it all, but I literally just registered on Bust today to offer my routine.

Keep in mind, it may sound like a crazy regimen, but it's what works for me. Then again, I've read some pretty wild remedies on here, so maybe mine won't sound so strange! tongue.gif

I do all the normal things, like wear cotton panties only and use tampons. But here's where I get a little jazzy:

REDUCE BAD BACTERIA AND DRY OFF EXCEPTIONALLY WELL AFTER BATHING

Once a week BEFORE showering (and especially after my period is fully over), I squat and wipe down my vulva and bum with Listerine Zero (the one WITHOUT alcohol, so no worries about insane burning; just a cool minty tingle tongue.gif ) on a few flat, square cotton pads. I really saturate the cotton pads and thoroughly wipe all over those areas with it. Put a towel under you on the floor, in case of dripping. Listerine Zero has no sugar in it (well, sucralose), and it does not give me a yeast infection, and here's why: I let it "marinate" and really do its job for five whole minutes, THEN I take a shower. I never insert it in my vagina; only ON my vulva and anus. To be honest, I've even used the plain Listerine Antiseptic kind (unflavored, the amber formula with alcohol), and have had no problems. For me, it's all about reducing the bad bacteria on the outside; that's what causes the odor. And showering five minutes after ensures no real damage is done; it all gets washed away. I use pretty much any kind of suds when showering; I actually use TWO body washes for a more thorough clean. And dry, dry, dry off super well. That means going over my vulva with a towel five minutes AFTER I've already dried off, before I put my panties on.

REDUCE YOUR VAGINAL pH

Once a month, after my period, I fill up a really, really clean tub of warm lemon water for a pH soak. Just pour in a cup of fresh-squeezed lemon juice (or cut up a cleaned lemon and place the halves in the tub) and soak that baby for 30 minutes to get the pH just right, drain the tub, and shower like normal. DO NOT ADD ANYTHING TO THE BATHWATER EXCEPT LEMON! The lemon bath is also ideal after sex; lemon water also makes a great sitz bath! I'm not above buying the ideal storage container specifically for this purpose.

KEEP IT DRY

During the day, moisture is my enemy, so I always use flushable wipes after using the restroom (and keep a pack in my purse) and dry off really, really, REALLY well with toilet paper. Then, I wad up extra toilet paper and wrap my entire vulva (especially the creases on the sides where the vulva meets the thigh) and pull my panties up. Bacteria and yeast breed like crazy in moist environments. I don't bother with pantiliners; toilet paper is plentiful and is more absorbent. Plus, you can position it perfectly and it's flushable. No one has to know. smile.gif

PROBIOTICS

I eat yogurt like most women and I occasionally take acidophilus, if I've been eating too much sugar or bread. I don't get all dramatic about probiotics; just eat yogurt when I feel like it, including frozen yogurt instead of ice cream. Greek yogurt is amazing!

KEEP IT HAIR-FREE OR LESS HAIRY

I'm a shaver. Not 100% bald, but more like 90%. Hair traps moisture, and as we know, that is not what we need. I really only care about moisture during sex!

So, there you have it, ladies. Cut the bad external bacteria + lemon baths when needed + keep the vulva dry with toilet tissue + take your probiotics + keep it trimmed. I'm not saying this is the holy grail solution for all of womankind, so please don't take my regimen as gospel. It's simple, and it works for me. Hope that helps someone! biggrin.gif
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post Nov 1 2012, 04:15 AM
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hey canadian girl thnks so much for the post.

Ive been to the doctors and got a course of antibiotics so all is well down there now. Good to hear your tampon method works for you. Personally I dont use tampons, I have an irrational fear of them!!

Must admit im really struggling with this whole work issue. I am so down, ive been having suicidal thoughts. Although think im too much of a coward to go through with it or i would have done it already. Im not sleeping at night cause im panicking about going into work. All day i just sit there and barely say a word so i dont draw attention to myself. And i just have to sit there and listen to the comments, and hear the smirks and see the emails flying round the office. And i know they will just tell teir friends about it ad more and more people will know about it. I got the courage to speak to a very good friend abot it and she is convinced im just being paranoid and not to b so silly, but she doesnt know cruel people can be. Its just so awful, nobody takes me seriously anymore, I cant bear when people look at me cause i know what they are thinking. Dirty bitch. And im not. But i understand why they think that. Considering not going back to work on Monday. I think I need to for my mental health.

Sorry for rabbiting on, but this is the only place i can vent. I really just want to die right now :-(
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post Oct 19 2012, 04:28 PM
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QUOTE(so_confused1 @ Oct 17 2012, 03:47 PM) *
hey guys. I've been struggling with BV and want to try boric acid. This is the one I got: http://i1323.photobucket.com/albums/u588/s...zpsf74366ed.jpg If it helps, this is where I ordered it, though that picture's a little different: http://www.amazon.com/BORIC-POWDER-HUMCO-H...y/dp/B001V9WY0S

I just want to make sure I got the right one? I thought I did but now all those warnings about not even letting it touch your skin are really scaring me!

Yes. That is the right kind of boric acid. I think all of the bottles carry the same warning because it is required to by the FDA, just like how a lot of medications come with warnings and side effects.

Did you also purchase the "00" size gelatin capsules to put the boric acid in?

I also want to add that boric acid tends to work on the short term for bacterial vaginosis. It's good for maintenance, but it will also kill any healthy bacteria as well. I took it for a few weeks when I had a non-albican yeast infection, and I went in for a follow up exam and my gynecologist said she didn't see any lactobacilli or yeast under the microscope, which is totally normal when using boric acid suppositories. I wonder why it isn't successful with bacterial vaginosis. Maybe because bacteria tends to multiply and grow faster than yeast because they are smaller, prokaryotic cells, while yeast cells are larger and eukaryotic, thus take longer to multiply and divide themselves.

You should take a probiotic while your doing the suppositories just to be on the safe side.


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post Oct 18 2012, 04:08 AM
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Sorry for delayed response. Yes it usually does clear up with antibiotics which is great. Ive now completely swollen up and have terrible lower abdomen pains :-( I have a feeling i have another case of PID. TOday was the worst day of my life at work. I just wanted tht ground to open up and swallow me. Kept thinking ill just jump in front of a bus on my way home and then this will all be over!! Its the only thing that got me through the day.

I know changing jobs seems very extreme, I am only a temp at the moment and keeping thinking, i just wont turn up to work tomorrow, kind of disappear into thin air!

You know you could be on to something with alcohol triggering it, it is the only time it has ever been noticed come to think of it. Something to look into anyway.

So do you still suffer? Sorry to hear youve had a tough time of it too. You must be a better person than me to forgive them, i actually want to punch them all in the face. Why do bad things happen to good people.

I'm already dreading tomorrow at work, I just sat there all day on the verge of tears/panic attacks as soon as someone opened their mouth. I didnt eat all day cause i just felt sick to my stomach. They cracked out a fair few jokes at my expense. This is going to be the death of me.

Thanks so much for your advice etc, I really do appreciate it. I cant even talk to my friends about what is going on at work - i tried at the weekend but i couldnt bring myself to even say it - so its good to chat with someone


You Poor Girl! I feel so bad for you, and others (as well) who have been ostracized due to the smell... I too have been dealing with BV for a long, long time--more on that later, as it is late and I just wanted to reply to you with moral support.

I don't know if this is right or wrong (others may criticize me for even suggesting this..) But what I have done is, when I have a BV flare up that is overwhelming with odor, is I USE a tampon. This blocks any discharge of course and therefore, SMELL.

I have never had any problems with doing this and because of my self treatment I can usually get the problem under control in a few days.

I know how devastating this problem can be, and some days we feel so low, it's all we can do to face the next day. It has ruined my personal life, which includes hopes and dreams for the future since I am reluctant to have any intimate contact, and refuse straight out during bouts. I CAN'T IMAGINE being ostracized by my "friends" or co-workers because of this problem, that could just be too much too handle. I just feel so bad for those who have had to deal with this. I wish I could just HUG you!

Seriously, I know it may be wrong, although it hasn't caused me any further problems (than I already have) but I just use a tampon at those times, til I get through. No one is any wiser and to them I am a fresh smelling, happy, healthy girl (on the outside).

Actually, those with re-current yeast infections are actually recommended by gynecologists to use tampons during their periods because it is cleaner & drier with inhibits the moist environment which yeast loves. This is just to ease any worries some may have about the tampon/pad debate. Tampons are perfectly safe when they are used properly within their time frames.


---Also, this may be long, but to the girl who is afraid of douching, I have had good results with just soaking a tampon in "chosen" remedies instead of douching. I do think that it could flush bad stuff too far up into the cervix, but for just the area we are trying to alter/balance the climate of, I think a tampon soaked in your choice remedy is a better solution to douching.

PLEASE see a doctor....So you know what you have, AND in case you are trying hard to cover up the smell with perfumes/soaps--those things will just make your problem WORSE! Use unscented soap down there, like DOVE, or preferably NOTHING at all- just water. Our vaginas are sensitive ecosystems, and is supposed to be self cleansing. But especially at times like this it is extremely sensitive to disruptions and it needs time to balance out.


----Now I'll just mention quickly about my story and what I do to "manage" the problem---

After being put on Metronidazole (Flagyll) orally many, many times in the beginning..(I would say over 30 times) I'm sure I'll be screwed up for a long time with my re-current problem. Not to say it isn't a good solution for a one/two time problem if it goes away, but if it doesn't...you'll have hell to pay. Also, I was never told about the probiotic theory at the same time either, which surely would have helped then...

After (much) reading, I came across the medical study about peroxide douching and that is what I use to manage my problem. Except I don't douche, I just soak a tampon and use that. (Once/twice a day for 5-10 minutes til it's gone--smell 3 days, whole thing 7 days) It works for me, but unfortunately it does come back if I even attempt sex. None the less, at the time, I realized it was preferable than (expensive, humiliating) trips to the dr, over & over & over again....I swear I was losing my mind and my wallet, and my dr's thought I was prob crazy too. Now I know it is them who are NUTS wink.gif

I have tried probiotics (RePhresh pro- cool.gif but it was very expensive and took too long. Although, I think I will try again after reading more....it takes 28-something like 60 days to recolonize the vagina. I will pay anything to fix this problem for good!

I also think part of my problem is while the peroxide soaked tampon worked, it still left my vagina lacking the good bacteria to re-balance. Thus reoccurring after attempted sex. Also, it didn't raise the ph in order to make that re-establishment friendly.

So after much, much, much more reading, what I think I will do is stay on the pro-b LONGER. I read a study that said some women with recurrent problems may need more than one plan of remedy at a time. Like 3 or 4.

So here is what I will try next...

Peroxide soaked tampons 1 or 2x day 5 mins, 7 days (which always worked) to rid the problem
Vinegar tampon after peroxide, then periodically to make Ph more acidic (like a healthy vag is)
Probiotics FOR a long, long time(like RePhresh Pro-B-- to recolonize with good stuff)
And multi-vitamin formulated for women (which has over 500mgs of FOLIC Acid)

I have always been able to cure myself, but now I am attempting to keep the problem away for good.
I will update the situation, and let all know how it's going. I have been using this system for two days after a bout and so far, smell good! smile.gif

Anyway, much later and longer post than I had intended, but I know you all deserve as much help as possible and one more story can help. Take care all and I will be back to update. xoxo
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post Oct 17 2012, 02:47 PM
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hey guys. I've been struggling with BV and want to try boric acid. This is the one I got: http://i1323.photobucket.com/albums/u588/s...zpsf74366ed.jpg If it helps, this is where I ordered it, though that picture's a little different: http://www.amazon.com/BORIC-POWDER-HUMCO-H...y/dp/B001V9WY0S

I just want to make sure I got the right one? I thought I did but now all those warnings about not even letting it touch your skin are really scaring me!
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post Oct 17 2012, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE(embarrassed10 @ Oct 15 2012, 02:39 AM) *
Sorry for delayed response. Yes it usually does clear up with antibiotics which is great. Ive now completely swollen up and have terrible lower abdomen pains :-( I have a feeling i have another case of PID. TOday was the worst day of my life at work. I just wanted tht ground to open up and swallow me. Kept thinking ill just jump in front of a bus on my way home and then this will all be over!! Its the only thing that got me through the day.

I know changing jobs seems very extreme, I am only a temp at the moment and keeping thinking, i just wont turn up to work tomorrow, kind of disappear into thin air!

You know you could be on to something with alcohol triggering it, it is the only time it has ever been noticed come to think of it. Something to look into anyway.

So do you still suffer? Sorry to hear youve had a tough time of it too. You must be a better person than me to forgive them, i actually want to punch them all in the face. Why do bad things happen to good people.

I'm already dreading tomorrow at work, I just sat there all day on the verge of tears/panic attacks as soon as someone opened their mouth. I didnt eat all day cause i just felt sick to my stomach. They cracked out a fair few jokes at my expense. This is going to be the death of me.

Thanks so much for your advice etc, I really do appreciate it. I cant even talk to my friends about what is going on at work - i tried at the weekend but i couldnt bring myself to even say it - so its good to chat with someone


Ever since I've cleaned up my diet and started taking probiotics, my symptoms improved considerably. Compared to how I was doing years ago, it's like night and day. The odor was bad enough to stay in a room even after I've left. I'm now on the path of strictly staying on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for 6 months and going on VSL#3 in order to re-balance my intestinal flora and give my intestines plenty of time to heal. I'm currently transitioning; but I am sticking to the diet for the most part.

I think it would be really helpful if you talked to your friends about it. You'd be surprised at how understanding and supportive some people can be. Be careful to not confide in people you don't completely trust. At the very least, you can always talk to someone on this forum.

If you plan on looking for another job anyway, you should find a job where you don't have to be in close proximity of other people. That will probably help you cope while at work better.


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