[DeeRayy]

now that i read that last post of mine i realize i sound kind of snobby in that last paragraph. it's NOT that i think i'm better than other people my age, i just don't feel that i connect with a lot of them as much. and believe me, i wish i could! i honestly think my older frame of mind can actually be a disadvantage sometimes.

[DeeRayy]

karategrrl, the last place i expected to see booblets was in a pitbull video! haha. i actually kinda consider j-lo to be kind of a small breasted icon. she may not look it, but i have a gay friend who idolizes and knows everything about her, and apparently she's somewhere between an A and a B cup. she's just made to look bigger in a lot of her appearances ( just of like a lot of other celebs, like eva longoria or jessica alba).

angie_21, i loved your post, because it's so very true. i always feel tons better after reading your posts because your hapiness and confidence just radiate through your words. and after i'm done reading i think to myself, "man, that's the attitude i need to have!". because the older i get the more i realize that i don't want to be perfect- i just want to be happy with myself.

i know i definitely need to work on appreciating the beauty of other women without getting down on my own appearance at the same time. i guess being so young has a lot to do with it. it makes me feel a little better when the more experienced women on this thread say that guys get better as they age. but i guess i just gotta be patient with waiting that out! it sucks though because i've always been told that i seem so much older than i really am. i can't help it, that's just the way i've always been ever since i was a kid. and that bites me in the butt when interacting with my peers because i get along soooo much better with older people. i actually get along more with my t.a's than my classmates sometimes! and when my therapist met me, she had to double check my age with me because she said that she doesn't hear a nineteen year old when she talks to me; she hears someone much more mature. haha, if only i had the confidence to match my maturity!

[Allison-Shine]

Yeah, I feel ya, Karategrrl. As much as I talk about about how jealous I am of my sister's Cs, the truth is I would rather be on the smaller side. It would just be nice to have just a little more... enough to drop the "let" from my booblets!

And yes, I would also be horrified to wake up and find a set of frankenboobs! That is just scary!

I am still jealous of my 18 year old sisters D's, i thought hers would stop growing once she got to 36C to my 32-34B, boy was I wrong. I would not want D's myself per se, I am simply uncomfortable with the "disparity" between us.

I am seven years older than her and been smaller than her since I was 21 and she was 14. Her breasts do not look out of place on her, hers are firm, proportionate and they may attract attention from others but not too much attention if you know what I mean.

[karategrrl]

Booblet sighting!! Yippee! Small boobies in a dance video! See the ladies in gold bikinis at 1:27 and elsewhere.
See 1:27

[karategrrl]

At my wedding, people better not care if I want to prance down the aisle in a red bikini holding a bouquet of condoms,

Bwahahaha!

if I can't be accepting now of the eternal existence of younger, beautiful girls now, I won't be a very happy old lady. I'm beautiful in my own way and always will be, and I am a good person in my own way, and I can do so many things those kids don't even know about yet

Well said, grrl.

[angie_21]

Just a link I found through my favorite feminist blog (evilslutopia.com):

Operation Beautiful

The thing I really like about it, is that even though it was made by someone who had weight-related issues in mind, it is not a "real women have curves" thing as a number of people have mentioned being annoyed with other campaigns - its about celebrating how everyone is beautiful, and about not focusing on our bodies at all. Yay!

[angie_21]

Hey girls, I have a lot to catch up on. I finished my school semester but I had to drop everything else in my life to do it. Then went on vacation and there was no cell coverage, no 3G, and no wireless where we stayed! It was beautiful. I'm off to Alaska again in 10 days but I wanted to say hi before going.

Babyblue, I hope you get exactly the wedding dress you ordered! You had every right to be mad, just because you ordered a specific dress and she wanted to change it because of her own assumptions, and she thought her assumptions were more important than your own desires for the dress. You're the one wearing it, not her! At my wedding, people better not care if I want to prance down the aisle in a red bikini holding a bouquet of condoms, I'll damn well do what I want regardless of what tradition or convention says. (haha I wouldn't do that, as fun as it would be, my mother would be mortified!)

DeeRay, I hope things work out, stand your ground with the doctors and if something doesn't feel right, don't let them tell you otherwise. However. Your body is NOT broken. Don't let yourself fall into that, I know it's hard, but even if there is a hormone imbalance or thyroid problem, you will be OK and things can be done, and you will feel better. I know how you feel, I had some problems a couple years ago, not just with possible pcos as I talked about in the birth control thread, but with an irritable bladder and other things. I was lucky, I guess, that a lot of things were stress related and have since resolved on their own, but at the time I really felt like I couldn't trust my own body and it was letting me down. There's lots you can do for yourself while you're waiting, especially for these specific things - look up thyroid-friendly diets, which I bet will be similar to a pre-diabetic diet. Stop eating processed foods, and try to minimize anything and everything with added sugars and artificial sweeteners. IF you can afford it, make sure all your meat and diary is organic, without added hormones. Exercise. If you can afford it, seek a second opinion, and try to find out if being on the BCP will influence the thyroid tests in any way. Send me a pm if you want, I don't want to derail too much either, but this thread is OK for that

When I was 15 I was planning to get implants, but by the time I was old enough and had the money, I didn't want surgery anymore, although I still had a lot of emotional problems about it. Now, the idea of elective surgery makes me laugh, I barely have the patience to heal a cartilage piercing, I would hate dealing with the surgery and the healing process, and having the extra weight and bulk on my chest would drive me up the wall. It would just get in the way, all the time. bleagh. Nope, happy the way I am. And it is true, especially once you start hanging out with guys over the age of 25, their attitudes begin to mature quickly and their ideas of what a naked woman looks like aren't primarily gained from porn anymore. A lot of them realize how much nicer women look without the stretch-marked, round, bolt-on (haha love it!) porno boobs and plastic vulvas (don't even get me into the genital plastic surgery in the modern porn business ick ick ick!!) And a lot of them are just happy to actually get to sometimes hang out with women naked, of any shape or size

I don't get bothered too much when people start talking about breasts, depending on the context. Or when they are in movies, because quite often my friends will all call out fake boobs in a movie as soon as we see them, it's a fun game. And I am finally at the point when I can appreciate when another woman looks beautiful, whatever her chest size, and it doesn't hurt my feelings if I know she looks more conventionally beautiful than me. I'm not in competition with her. It doesn't mean anything to me. I hope to age gracefully my whole life, and if I can't be accepting now of the eternal existence of younger, beautiful girls now, I won't be a very happy old lady. I'm beautiful in my own way and always will be, and I am a good person in my own way, and I can do so many things those kids don't even know about yet

[DeeRayy]

Karategrrl, agreed! what also amazes me is how the topic of breasts seems to some up so darn regularly in everyday life! it definitely irritates me sometimes. just today, as a matter of fact, i had not given a though to the size of my breasts the whole day until an incident in my comparative lit class. when i attend lecture today we viewed a movie called Un Chien Andalou [since we're studying the surrealists right now]. I was fine until about seven minutes into it when a man starts feeling up a woman's breasts and picturing them naked [which is completely shown in the film]. Then aaaalllll of those self conscious feelings I have about my breasts started darting around in my head. what made it even worse is that i have a crush on a friend that sits next to me in that class, so i felt mighty awkward and distracted when we were walking back to the parking lot together after class. and yesterday as well, we were watching a documentary on colonization in my anthro class and long story short all the women in the native tribe being observed walk around topless and one of the native women started to tease the younger teenage girls about their small breasts in one scene. grrr! i feel like i can't go one friggin day without the subject of boobs coming up lately.

do you ladies get uncomfortable when breasts are shown in a movie? how about when the subject of breasts comes up randomly in conversation with others? do you get all squirmy and uncomfortable like me? and if not, how do you handle it?

[karategrrl]

let us now get back to our praise of booblets

No apologies needed for getting "derailed," ladies. Personally, from being part of this forum for, well, let's just say an embarassingly long time, I'm always amazed at how everything is all related and connected to breasts. Amazing how two small mounds of mammary are such a large part of our body image, health, psychology etc. so to me it all connects.

[DeeRayy]

strongirl- no they did not disclose the actual number to me. my copy of the results just stated abnormal. But my cholesterol also showed up as elevated [though not classifiable as high] which alarms me because i don't even eat high cholesterol foods! not regularly at least. and high cholesterol has come up on a few of the hypothyroid symptom checklists. i'm just gonna move my appointment up to june since i'll have finished my third pack of pills by then anyway. i have a good number of symptoms, but pretty mild forms of them.

but i think we've shot off on this tangent long enough, i'll just have to make some calls and wait and see. but thanks a bunch for the advice strongirl! it is very much appreciated.

let us now get back to our praise of booblets

[strongirl]

DeeRay - Complicated questions. Low thyroid can mess up your periods and other hormones - it's the body's "regulator". But birth control can also cause thyroid hormone levels to go down - estrogen increases the amount of thyroid-binding protein in the blood which means there's less thyroid hormone available for use by the rest of the body. You probably just got tested for TSH level - do you know the actual number or just that it was "Abnormal"?

Thyroid disease is increasingly common, some people are even saying "epidemic". Because of that, there's a ton of info available online which is nice but can be overwhelming. However, I think you should read over a few of the symptom checklists that are out there and evaluate for yourself whether or not you're having actual thyroid symptoms. It's not always clear cut (like for me - menopause or thyroid? simple aging or thyroid?) but if you have many of the checklist symptoms you should escalate with your doctor or switch doctors and get treated. Like I said, leaving this untreated can have some really nasty consequences.

Here's a pretty good symptom checklist (keep reading under the risk factor checklist):

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/hypothyroidism/a/checklist.htm

Big hugs to you, DeeRay.

[DeeRayy]

karategrrl, thanks for the hugs. hugs back to you

strongirl, it's really cool to know you understand what i'm talking about. my doc thinks my problems are hormonal imbalances and she wants me to give my birth control three months before doing anything. my bloodwork doesn't say exactly what's up with my thyroid, it's just marked as "a" for abnormal. it ticks me off because my irregular periods combined with my thyroid activity shows there's clearly something wrong with me but she wrote on the bloodwork that there's no need to see me until she does my check up for how the birth control is working, which is already set for july 18. should i still move my appointment up anyway?

[strongirl]

ErisSweetleaf - your job (and you) sound so cool! I'm jealous. (hating life as a software developer at the moment, tho this too shall pass)

On the period timing, I got mine at 12 too. And really my body has not changed much since that point - I stopped getting taller, my boobs stayed the same. I can still fit the few clothes from middle school that I kept.

DeeRay - I have hypo-thyroid, too. Got diagnosed several years ago. It's a large complicated topic and I don't want to totally derail us here but a few important things. Do not wait until July! My rx got messed up last January due to an insurance/pharmacy issue and I blew off doing anything about it for 3 months. Then in March, they said I simply could not have any more till I saw my doctor - who couldn't see me till April 15. Well boy, do I regret the 4 months of inadequate meds. I am very unwell - hopefully coming out of it but still paying in multiple ways. When you say your "body feels broken" - I understand COMPLETELY. Don't mess around with this - get into a doctor and get on thyroid meds ASAP! (synthetic vs animal is a whole nother topic but regardless, don't go without!)

Sorry to digress, ladies. Back to boobs.

[karategrrl]

DeeRayy, sorry to hear about your thyroid issues. Can you move the appointment sooner, considering you have something that needs to be addressed? that must be frustrating, to feel out of touch with your health and wellness. Do whatever you can to be gentle with yourself and connect with yourself, if that makes any sense. <<hugs>>

Horny monkeys? Bwahahahahaha!!!!!

muscle cleavage:
Yeah, the "cleavage" I speak of isn't true breast tissue, but when you work your pecs, you get definition in the middle of your chest--a nice little line--and more mass under the breasts for sure, which does push the breasts forward a little. It really does shape everything nicely. I will never have people comment, "man, what big breasts you have!" but I get lots of folks commenting on my definition, shoulders, upper body. So it does make a difference. I do have more shape since I started working out in a dedicated fashion. I don't look like a fitness freak by a long shot, but I don't look bony and skinny up top anymore. And I have to say I think more "shape" is what a lot of women want when they are thin in their upper bods, but they think implants are the only way to get it. I want to shout this from the rooftops.

I got my period early--three months short of my 12th birthday. And my breasts were very small then and still are small. At the time, it was horrifying to get my period, as I was a tomboy and didn't want to be a girl, and the boys--and girls--teased the girls who showed outward signs of puberty, i.e., breasts, so I flew under the radar and was grateful for it. The periods I could hide.

[KeraBear]

I don't think they're hiding....its just the fact that the ones who scream out like horny monkeys that they love big boobies are the ones who are treated as if they words as gospel.

HAHAHA! How did I miss this? Hilarious! And true...

DeeRayy - Big hugs to you! Everything will be okay. You'll see.

[DeeRayy]

I don't think they're hiding....its just the fact that the ones who scream out like horny monkeys that they love big boobies are the ones who are treated as if they words as gospel. Sad but its so fitting and satisfying to hear other guys go 'BULLSHIT! I don't think that like!! D8<'

As a cartoonist, I'm surrounded by men (and women) who either are totally obsessed with drawing HUGE breast or the guys who actually exercise their talents and draw boobs of all sizes. The ones who know that they get more respect out of their fans if they actually draw a variety of body types (and not just of women, men as well XD) have my love and fandom! XD

that is true, i've definitely noticed a bias when it comes to animated women. i also find it weird that even the female cartoonists do this. but i'm glad there are a few who portray variety.

this is just me venting, but i just got my blood results back from the doctor and it turns out that my thyroid activity is abnormal (which could explain the struggle that i've always had with my weight), and i'm already worried about it but i can't talk to my doctor about it until my appointment in july! uggghh, i've been in and out of the doctors so much recently that it seriously feels like my body is broken and refuses to work. it's so frustrating

[KeraBear]

As a cartoonist, I'm surrounded by men (and women) who either are totally obsessed with drawing HUGE breast or the guys who actually exercise their talents and draw boobs of all sizes. The ones who know that they get more respect out of their fans if they actually draw a variety of body types (and not just of women, men as well XD) have my love and fandom! XD

Hey... yeah!!! Comic book heroines are so ridiculous. They have these heeeeeugge boobs and then their bodies are like size zero. In real life, their backs would wrecked from carrying so much weight up there! Yeah, you are right. Much more respect for variety. I am surprised that a lot of women cartoonists do that, too... why do you think that is? Industry pressure?

Are you a comic book artist? btw, I LOVE your idea of a comic based on the experiences of us "smallies" that you mentioned a few posts back Please share with us if you ever get that off the ground!

[KeraBear]

haha, yeah i was a pretty late bloomer too. i don't think i had an actual period until i was about 15 too. i spotted a little when i was fourteen,but now that i look back i don't think that counted as one. i felt like a freak because all the women in my family got theirs in like, elementary school! and i didn't get mine til the beginning of high school. i felt like something was seriously wrong with me. but my new doctor recently eased my mind about all that, and thinks fifteen is actually a more normal age to get it at than eleven or twelve. so you're not the only one kera But i'm not counting on a growth spurt since there's never any guarantees with that area. and you're right, if not that's perfectly fine because there's nothing wrong with being in the a- cup crowd.

OMG I know! I know what you mean about feeling like a freak. Not only was I the only girl in high school without her period (that's what it seemed like anyways), but I was also shorter than my classmates and barely any breasts to speak of, so I also felt like the school runt. But you know, not that I have almost three years of monthly bleeding under my belt (no pun intended. HA!), I actually sort of feel blessed that I got to go 15 years without one. But I certainly didn't feel like it at the time. I didn't think it would ever happen.

[Eris_Sweetleaf]

haha, yeah i was a pretty late bloomer too. i don't think i had an actual period until i was about 15 too. i spotted a little when i was fourteen,but now that i look back i don't think that counted as one. i felt like a freak because all the women in my family got theirs in like, elementary school! and i didn't get mine til the beginning of high school. i felt like something was seriously wrong with me. but my new doctor recently eased my mind about all that, and thinks fifteen is actually a more normal age to get it at than eleven or twelve. so you're not the only one kera But i'm not counting on a growth spurt since there's never any guarantees with that area. and you're right, if not that's perfectly fine because there's nothing wrong with being in the a- cup crowd.

haha, if only i could feel as good about my boobs as i do when i'm on here all the time! in time i guess

karategrrl, yeah sorry about the typo. i haven't experienced any actual size increase either. but i actually know a girl who's guy friend COMPLAINED when his girlfriend's breasts grew after she went on the pill. he literally said, "god, they're getting all big! it's gross! i don't want anything to do with them anymore!" (of course i hope he was joking about the last sentence). not only that, but my mom's boss actually got bummed out when his wife's breasts grew after having kids. grrrr, where are all these guys who love small boobs hiding???

I don't think they're hiding....its just the fact that the ones who scream out like horny monkeys that they love big boobies are the ones who are treated as if they words as gospel. Sad but its so fitting and satisfying to hear other guys go 'BULLSHIT! I don't think that like!! D8<'

As a cartoonist, I'm surrounded by men (and women) who either are totally obsessed with drawing HUGE breast or the guys who actually exercise their talents and draw boobs of all sizes. The ones who know that they get more respect out of their fans if they actually draw a variety of body types (and not just of women, men as well XD) have my love and fandom! XD

[DeeRayy]

but since i was so late with periods and boobs, I am still holding out hope for a late B cup miracle. When you did you start your periods? Were you a late bloomer too? There's still hope. If not, no worries. Booblets can be sexy, toooooooooo!

haha, yeah i was a pretty late bloomer too. i don't think i had an actual period until i was about 15 too. i spotted a little when i was fourteen,but now that i look back i don't think that counted as one. i felt like a freak because all the women in my family got theirs in like, elementary school! and i didn't get mine til the beginning of high school. i felt like something was seriously wrong with me. but my new doctor recently eased my mind about all that, and thinks fifteen is actually a more normal age to get it at than eleven or twelve. so you're not the only one kera But i'm not counting on a growth spurt since there's never any guarantees with that area. and you're right, if not that's perfectly fine because there's nothing wrong with being in the a- cup crowd.

haha, if only i could feel as good about my boobs as i do when i'm on here all the time! in time i guess

karategrrl, yeah sorry about the typo. i haven't experienced any actual size increase either. but i actually know a girl who's guy friend COMPLAINED when his girlfriend's breasts grew after she went on the pill. he literally said, "god, they're getting all big! it's gross! i don't want anything to do with them anymore!" (of course i hope he was joking about the last sentence). not only that, but my mom's boss actually got bummed out when his wife's breasts grew after having kids. grrrr, where are all these guys who love small boobs hiding???