[kittenb]

And it was a very satisfying return!

I am not going to write in spoiler-speak b/c, hey, you come to the thread you takes your chances.

Did anyone else make the connection that the only characters who seem to exist in both..."realities"...are Locke and Desmond? With the Islanders jumping around from time to time, it stands to reason that could bump into themselves at some point, yet, as far we know that never happened. Don't know what it means, but it means something.

I want to nominate Ben as Best Character Ever. I have a sudden urge to write a fanfiction piece where he goes up against Spike from BtVS just to see who would win. Not even sure in my own mind.

So happy to see Finnola Flannigan at the very end. I love her in everything and she is the perfect counterpoint for Ben.

I want to know when Sun is really going to release the evil within her. She is smouldering with in right now and I almost worry for Kate.

Ca't wait until next week!

[yuefie]

I wanted to bump this and say: WOOT... Lost is back!

[musicfit]

There's a very cool theory on abc.com. Click under the heading that talks about Philosophy students and professors developing a theory. WAY cool.

[sybarite]

Cheers for clearing that up kittenb! I was thinking there were two different realities, which seemed inconsistent.

Edie, I do think they're connected but that it's not time travel as such, more a time/space 'glitch' characteristic of the island. The overlap with the time travel episode with scientist Dan and Desmond is interesting too--as Dan's research into time travel/movement meant he could understand when Desmond was affected.

[edie52]

I hope Ben doesn't actually kill Penny! I love them both (Penny and Des, I mean).

Sybarite, do you think the energy source/wormhole thing is related to the time travel thing? I guess it must be. But I don't really understand any of it (on a logical level... which is not what this show is about, I guess).

[kittenb]

Jin wasn't actually alive in a flash-forward. The episode where we saw his grave was only a flashforward for Sun's story. For Jin everything was a flashback. The delivery he was running to was for some rich person his boss wanted to impress.

Oh I do love the Penny/Desmond story. So much that whatever happens next I kind of hope we never see Desmond again because I just want to think of him and Penny sailing the world forever.

[sybarite]

Finally watched the finale last night and generally I think it was awesome. They even answered a handful of questions!

Heartrending moments for me included:When Jin was left on the boat and Sun was screaming (heart in mouth); and on the other hand, Desmond and Penny. I love their story.

And when Sawyer jumped. And Walt came back.

I'm also glad that the polar bears have finally been explained: clearly they came from wherever Ben went in his parka (is this where Penny's arctic station was too??)

How come we Jin alive in one of the flash-forwards but he dies on the boat?


Finally, my theory: I don't think the island is in a separate dimension but I think it may have a strange 'energy source' (as Dharma put it) which enables wormholes: e.g. the entry to the arctic that Ben goes through.

[musicfit]

Good question, Bunny. And now for some spoiler dialog, In addition to the how the hell did that happen factor, I was sad that they killed John Locke. He was such a cool character. I hope he comes back as a ghost or something and freaks the crap out of Ben.

[bunnyb]

Just watched the finale and it was a headfuck, but an enjoyable one. I will post more once I can think.

[kittenb]

The question I forgot to ask yesterday is how the frack did Locke get off the island if the island has not returned to normal time/space?

How am I going to wait until net January???????

[musicfit]

I would have to agree that was an awesome finale.

I will say, I would be very disappointed if they were dead. It seems to be something that has been done before. It would be interesting, however, if it turns out that when you die, you simply pass over to another dimension. That would be way cool. That you simply become a different type of being, but you can still be material. After all, the ghosts on the island can slap and beat you up. Just a thought.

[kittenb]

First let me say that the finale was awsome. AW-SOME!

And now: I would be very impressed if Michael was still alive considering that he was face front w/the bomb. That being said, you never know with this island.
I think they moved to the island to a different dimension, one just next to ours. I think things are bleeding over to this demension which is why even the "sane" 6 (Jack, Kate) are hearing the voices. Hurley seems to be only seeing dead people, but sci-fi often uses the old superstition that people w/mental health issues can see things that non-sick people cannot see.

All of this is making me consider the possibility that they are dead and the lives they have created off the island are their heavens. Think about the book, The Lovely Bones. Maybe since the 6 don't know they are dead, they don't know they can create a better heaven. I think this is an unlikely theory, but one that keeps circling around in my head.

Things I loved about this episode:

-Desmond and Penny!!! Woot!!!
-The actor that plays Ben needs to get an Emmy for this season. Hot Damn can he act.
-Sayid rescuing Hurley.
-WAAAAAALT! coming to see Hurley. "Why are you all lying?"

[musicfit]

So I just watched the 2-hour season finale and I have so many different thoughts going on in my head. The following spoiler is in white, so those who have seen the episode can highlight to see it. HOW did they move the island? Did they move it into another dimension? Why does the island want everyone from the Oceanic 6 back? Why are all those ghosts visiting Hurley? Are they ghosts, or merely the island talking to everyone through dead people (kind of like "the first" in Buffy)? If they are talking to the ghosts of the dead, what have they discovered about this strange island? Why does John's body have to be flown back to the island? Why on earth was Micheal not able to kill himself or die at all? This show is so intriguing.

Any theories? I'd like to hear them.

[bunnyb]

It should have been ninja smiley!

"Destiny is a fickle bitch" .

[LoveMyPugs]

eta: hee, I don't know why the smiley shows like that in amongst the spoiler box!

lol

peek-a-boo

I see you...

[bunnyb]

It was a fantastic episode; it completely blew my mind and I can't wait to see the next tomorrow (I download it after it airs in the States). So, does anybody have any thoughts on the relationship between Ben and Charles? I read something that suggested they were fallen angels but maybe Widmore is the one banished from Paradise and trying to get back in... Or are they each others' constants and that's why they can't kill one another?

I think that Jack will need some kind of organ transplant and it will come out that Claire is his sister (I think Juliet knows?) and she'll die from that/have to stay on the island and that's why Aaron is with Kate and Jack won't see him.

eta: hee, I don't know why the smiley shows like that in amongst the spoiler box!

[LoveMyPugs]

kittenb - I just watched it on ABC.com. It was a great episode. So is it confirmed that the Oceanic 6 are Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron, Sun and Kate? Do we think there is one more? I think Sayid is my favorite character.

[kittenb]

Did anyone else see it this week? Ben is my favorite character, w/o question. Not that I would ever want to meet him in real life but GOD! What a wonderful bastard!

You know the he just did not think that Alex would get shot. And I loved that he called up the monster for revenge. And did you all catch the little smile when he walked away from Sayid? Priceless.

[sybarite]

So we finally found out where Michael was.... I sat up and shouted 'No way!' I am a geek.

I'm becoming more impressed with this season. Another awesome episode, if typically confusing. I like epis based around Sun and Jin.

A friend of mine who was recently based in Hawaii said the cast are getting their scripts at the last minute, so even they don't know what's happening next.

[LoveMyPugs]

I think Jacks drunken, hairy, bout to jump off the bridge, stop to save child and mother from burning car wreck happens after his visit to see Hurley, after he testifies at Kates trial and after the Sayid episode. I think the flashes from the future are happening in reverse. Check out the Timeline:Post-Island on Lostpedia. Ben/Sayid scene happens before Jack/funeral scene but are reversed in episode sequence. Does that make sense? So it could be Ben in the coffin.

I think the Oceanic 6 are Sayid, Aaron, Kate, Jack, Hurley and Sun. Two more survived the crash but supposedly died on the island. They would be Jin and Clair.

Okay, I'm leaving and not coming back.