[mermaidgirl13]

I had a feeling AJ was going to kill himself but hadn't followed the thought all the way through to realize that of course, like everything else, he'd mess it up.

Curbing someone is the most disgusting thing ever. It spawned a whole discussion with the people who were watching with me about whether or not curbing someone (as Tony did to Coco) automatically kills them. Our question was answered later when they referred to Coco was being alive.

Phil up in his house speaking through the shade was hilarious. That whole scene reminded me of little kids in their tree house or something. First Tony and Carmine Jr. were invited in, then uninvited, and then taunted from high up in the fort. These guys are so not adults.

I didn't like Carmella's hair in this episode.

I'm glad Melfi didn't decide to take HER shrink's information (about sociopaths being validated by therapy) and use it against Tony in their next session. I thought maybe she was going to lash out at him or give him some extra hard love or something. She didn't and I respect that.

[nickclick]

hmm chacha, maybe your meadow prediction will come true, since she's now dating one of the mobster's sons. but if she's talking about studying law, that's quite a contridiction. or is it a way to keep her close to the crime life and her family?

wikipedia has a whole entry about their malapropisms. too funny!

[mermaidgirl13]

Speaking of misquotes, I love some of the expressions that were misused in this last episode:

In the car before the crash, Chrissy said "flying ointment" instead of "fly in ointment" and later Tony said he was prostate with guilt instead of prostRate.

I love when they have the characters do things like that.

I guess this thread will fade away into oblivion once the series is over.

[chachaheels]

There have always been droves of allusions to The Godfather--starting from Chrissy's constant misquotes, in episode 1, to the vast number of actual daughters and women whose ties to power are more subtle but very powerful (Livia, Janice, the fact that Meadow's got the actual mind to "run the show" when AJ is simply neither smart enough nor inclined). With Chrissy finally out, and AJ as vulnerable to depression and inaction as Tony, the only logical "successor" out of Tony's kids (or business "family") would have to be Meadow. Doesn't mean she'll actually succeed anyone, it just makes her the best target.

[nickclick]

i'm still working on the AJ angle. Tony's gonna push AJ into the mob life since Chrissy's dead, and Tony thinks that's how and where his son is supposed to be, and that'll prove his manhood, rather than watching him mope and cry all day. and then AJ will do something to screw Tony big time.

wha movie?

[mermaidgirl13]

What's this about a movie?

I was thinking that one of his kids is going to die. I hoped they'd be more creative than to have it be Meadow because that's so Godfather 3. Now I'm not so sure one of his kids will die because he's lost Christopher who he's always said was like a son. So maybe that covers that base.

[chachaheels]

Well, Silvio's been sorta "biding his time" lately. And Tony's brother in law has a grievance with Tony (as does Janice).
I'm sure one of Tony's children will die in whatever transpires--but I don't think it would be AJ (as he wouldn't be Tony's greatest loss). And I already predicted it has something to do with the hit Tony ordered his brother in law to commit, which was very likely against Janice's son, Harpo. All along Tony's been dealing with a depression that comes from his horror to his work (but not to the power and income it brings), and that has created his inability to act expediently politically when he needed to act (why it took him so long to kill Christophuh, or to even realise that Chris was a bad choice as a successor; why it took him so long to acknowledge the danger posed by Janice's fiance (Richie Aprile?)--so damn long that Janice had to kill him instead! Why it took him so long to make a decision about the gay man who was his highest earner, whether to kill or protect him...which ultimately led to the gang war he's now in).

So I don't think Tony is going to die, but I do think that now that he "gets it", and it's so late in the game, he's going to lose absolutely everything and he won't be able to act to stop it.

[nickclick]

of course i loathe and despise tony's reaction, but i still don't want him to die.

i don't either, but only because i think that's a too predictable ending to the show. but i think in the next episodes they're gonna set up more and more enemies for tony.

anyone have a prediction about how it's gonna end?

[mandolyn]

i didn't see it til last night.
i'm devastated. i'm still in shock. wtF? how can there be a movie without christafah?!

and wait ... tony killed him? i missed the first 10 minutes and only saw the nose-pinching part and didn't quite get what happened.

of course i loathe and despise tony's reaction, but i still don't want him to die. i can't help it. it also doesn't quite click that tony would turn on chrissy to the extent he did. (even tho i realize he murdered tony b and pussy in cold blood, people he loved.) ever since the juliana-jealousy plot device, their downward spiral's felt quite contrived to me.

meanwhile, i could care less what happens to AJ. he's always been a little shit.

i'm addicted to the weds night reruns on A&E. i haven't been this seriously upset about a show ending since buffy. and six feet under. weep.

[jemisoutrageous]

Had he acted heartbroken after the fact I would have more empathy for Tony, but he just didn't give a fuck. Had he really cared for Chris he would have supported his sobriety instead of shaming him about it. It all came from that. He went from staging an intervention to shitting on him for not being able to handle his drink. Chris was always hot-heated but loyal and he loved Tony. Not that he is any better (look at what he did to that poor writer, not to mention Ade) but still. Anthony. Pinching Chris's nose shut, watching him choke to death on his own blood. A boy he practically raised. A child is grown, the dream is gone ,indeed.

[chachaheels]

From the first moment on screen you could tell Christophuh was going to be a big threat to Tony--shooting people when ordering pastries, beating the shit out of Adriana (and, of course, arranging for her death because he couldn't deal with not living the glamourous mob life) and in love with the whole business enough to want to make a movie about it that pretty much "tells all" about what their activities are. And also not being very "smart" about things in just not thinking anything through. You knew from the very start that Tony was going to have to stop being emotionally blinded to him and get rid of him before Chris' mistakes would lead to Tony's arrest or worse.

So now that Tony's finally killed him, I thought I could breathe a sigh of relief. But nope.

[jemisoutrageous]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Chrissy!
My heart is broken.
Tony is a sociopath and I hope he goes the fuck down.

[sidecar]

CHRISTUHFUH! RIP. I had a feeling he wasn't making it out of the car accident, but I had no idea how it would end up. I thought this episode was great, chilling from start to finish. No one does grief better than Edie Falco. I have no idea what to expect by the end of the season.

[nickclick]

i'm seriously in mourning today. but whaddya gonna do.

i thought tony yelled "i did it" at the end. like he finally got to confess.

kinda creepy that he went to vegas and did what (and who) christopher did.

[mermaidgirl13]

I never thought Chrissy would go like that. I like his character a lot too. I'm a little conflicted about the episode as a whole, though. I'm glad they spent a lot of time dealing with the characters reaction to his death, but I also glad we got more from AJ and more about the escalating Phil problem.

[stargazer]

chris was my fav character too. but, maybe i just thought he was cute. i guess tony learned nothing from his dream when he was in a coma, huh. oh, and at the end of the episode....did tony yell, "i did it!" or "i get it!" my family and i couldn't figure it out.

AJ seems as conflicted about the mob and violence as his father did or has....so, i think he is just following in his father's footsteps...

Paulie is so competitive! He even made coming to his mother's wake a competition!

[nickclick]

oh no, christuhfuh! that was one of the worst death scenes i can remember on the show. many more have been grosser, but that was just upsetting. maybe cuz i love chrissy.

okay so AJ doesn't seem to have the heart or stomach for senseless violence. good for him. but he only seems to get his father's approval when he acts like those other buffoons. wonder if tony will see that's what made him into the person he is?

[nickclick]

i know, did you see his face when he was driving to his house? i hope paulie lives, just for the comic relief.

yeah, AJ seemed to like the power his name gave him. and i agree, he's only going to foul up sometime soon. and tony's definitely gonna push him in the direction since his usual surrogate son christopher seems to be getting soft (despite shooting his friend in the face).

[mermaidgirl13]

I enjoyed this episode. We all knew AJ was going to get involved somehow and now we know how. I feel bad for that kid. I wondered if Tony's comment to Melfi that "you'd do anything to take their place, suffer in their place" was foreshadowing that AJ is going to get into big trouble but Tony will step in and take the blame for it.

There has been a lot of tension surrounding Paulie. First I was so sure Tony was going to kill him in the episode where they drove to Florida and now this episode it seemed like Chris was going to shoot him in front of everyone at the club.

Paulie driving around on Chris's lawn was priceless.

[nickclick]

yay jersey!

i guess it was to show how stupid tony felt about acting like such a baby about the money with hesh. maybe next episode he will be more careful with money?