[pinkpoodle]

"broccoli bangs" Bwahaha!!!

Oh god, I'm so glad that my teen years straddled the mid-90's. I had a holey green sweater, a NIN shirt, painter's paints, black Sears workboots, and maybe a baby-barrette to hold back my pink streak.

It was good to be a kid in the 80's, though, because it was the height of the Saturday morning cartoon era. It's never been the same since.

[wombat]

I always thought The Craft was supposed to be in the 80s, not the 90s. At least the "bad catholic school girl" look seems to be from then.

[curioushair]

This was the defacto "80's Look" (87-91) at my high school, which was catholic, therefore, not a lot of autonomy when it came to dressing. Purses and shoes were the only real status symbols:

Girl: Huge hair. Probably permed. Upswept bangs, broccoli bangs, something I called "the cobra head" (teased sides and bangs). If you were an art chick, some kind of asymmetrical bob. If you were a skater. shaved save for one stray lock.
White uniform blouse, untucked. (Folded under to look tucked in as to avoid a demerit)
Plaid skirt. Too short with gym shorts hanging out.
At least two pairs of white (or gray or burgandy, as the dress code allowed) socks layered over each other
Topsiders, smashed down at the back so the foot slid in as it would a slipper. Laces knotted at the sides, something I could never do. The same girls who were masters at knotting their laces at the sides were the same girls who made those paper fortune teller things.
Esprirt or Liz bag

Boy: Crew cut (jocks). Quasi-mullet if the "party in back" part was no longer than collar. Skater-punk shaved in back, long in front (which I guess is kind of a reverse mullet). "The wall" - skater punk with the long part sprayed and teased. Occasional mohawk, guaranteed suspension.
Dress shirt, usually some horrid pastel, maybe a vest.
Dress pants, tucked and rolled up at the ankles. Suspenders optional.
Again with the layered socks.
Topsiders (cool guys painted anarchy symbols on their topsiders).

[wombat]

Cheapo Jodphur pants:

Get knee-high boots, then get a big baggy old man's suit at the thrift store, and wear the pants, tucked into the boots, and with a belt.

If they are of a decent fabric, it's nice.

I am way too old to wear that now!! You need to have a bunch of other funky, punky details in your look to pass it off.

[chachaheels]

Ooooh! Let's hope they know the power of the symbol they're messin' with, those corporate joes.

I must say that we can't even talk about the 80's without the incredible popularity of jodhpur pants.
Everyone wanted to look like they were off to ride a horse.
Yes, even me.

And yes, they're making a comeback (though they will not reappear on me!). Just you wait.

[wombat]

Great. Not only that, but in Boston we have a giant CITGO sign comprised of an orange triangle on a white background, blinking on and off, and it looks exactly like the symbol that the Temperance angel in the Rider-Waite deck has around his neck!!

[chachaheels]

I think you're dead on about the Castaneda interpretation. I can't look at tarot and think "good" and "evil". I can't think of them reflecting a kind of moral structure based on that duality--to me they point out so clearly that those aspects, both good and evil, are part of the same whole. I think for that reason they've always been considered a little "dangerous" and subversive; I mean, after all, if you're a Pope or some guy who's out there trying to build empires...that whole "good and evil" bit comes in handy for keeping souls in line. I think about that every time I look at that hierophant card in the Waite deck--Papal Splendor, and handing out a blessing, with a clear shadow falling behind the shape of his hands (you know if you fall in that shadow, you're officially damned by the Pope).

I get a huge kick out of how similar the Temperance and Star cards are.

I'm going to look up Etteilla now. This is so off topic, I almost feel guilty. But not really.

[wombat]

Neat. The Etteilla is Grand Etteilla, like the Grand Oracle Des Dames with a great drawing of high priestess as a woman standing in a spiral in front of an apple tree -- cards for the seven days of creation, including fishes and birds -- fantastic.

How cool that you found the tarocco. I wonder about those old men playing Pinochle -- they combine a couple of standard decks in order to get enough cards. It seems like they're trying to go back to that.

I also like the Moon card in the Marseilles, although it's supposed to symbolize evil, to me it reminds me of the Carlos Castaneda thing. Dogs and lobsters in adobe huts in the mountains next to streams, looks cool to me. There is a whole lost language in these cards.

red-haired people are considered lucky to the mediterraneans. i love them, too!

[chachaheels]

Wombat, I have a Tarot deck made by the playing card manufacturers in Italy--it's called the Tarocco Piedmontese. It looks a bit like the Marseille deck, except the figures are laid out like the North American playing cards, where the court cards are concerned. Otherwise, they look like your standard Italian playing deck with a lot more cards thrown in.

I have the Marseilles deck, and the Waite deck too--and that one is the one I most often return to. Something about them is so comforting and they let you interpret the symbols clearly. Here is la Donna di Bastoni in the Piedmontese deck:

http://www.rusjoker.ru/WWPCM/decks05/d02970/d02970cQ.jpg

Apparently, the further north she goes, the less redhaired she becomes. Clothes are pretty much the same though. But you can see how the tarot decks lead to the standard playing card (only a few vestiges are left in the playing cards North Americans use--the joker and the court cards, but the transition's really clear in the Italian decks).

[wombat]

That's quite unusual - a queen just standing there without any trimmin's.
Cool, though.

Nothing against catholic school, since my dad and some of our friends were catholic, and there was a cool neo-medievalist monastery near us (trappists) but, eek! I went to tough, demanding, competitive conform-o public schools in an affluent suburb. It was all abot SATs and college admissions and bringing your classmate's head home on a hockey stick. McYuckity.

I like the Marseilles deck a lot. It was the first one that was distributed among the masses rather than just the aristocracy. I always got a positive reading from it, but it started getting tattered to the point that I knew one card from another from the back. Not so good when you're trying to hear a message other than just what you already know, hope and fear.

The most lovely one I have is the Etteilla deck. But it's got a rather mean spirit. Almost every card is described with a negative meaning. Figures it was Jimmy Page's favorite deck.

Lately I've been using Rider-Waite with an interpretation book from Haindl. And sometimes Barbara Walker's or Rachel Pollock's.

/derail!!

sorry, 80s fiends.

I DID just sign all the classic "brat pack" 80s movies onto my Netflix queue! I was too old and too cool for them when they came out. I look forward to discussing them with y'all

That's quite unusual - a queen just standing there without any trimmin's.
Cool, though.

Nothing against catholic school, since my dad and some of our friends were catholic, and there was a cool neo-medievalist monastery near us (trappists) but, eek! I went to tough, demanding, competitive conform-o public schools in an affluent suburb. It was all abot SATs and college admissions and bringing your classmate's head home on a hockey stick. McYuckity.

I like the Marseilles deck a lot. It was the first one that was distributed among the masses rather than just the aristocracy. I always got a positive reading from it, but it started getting tattered to the point that I knew one card from another from the back. Not so good when you're trying to hear a message other than just what you already know, hope and fear.

The most lovely one I have is the Etteilla deck. But it's got a rather mean spirit. Almost every card is described with a negative meaning. Figures it was Jimmy Page's favorite deck.

Lately I've been using Rider-Waite with an interpretation book from Haindl. And sometimes Barbara Walker's or Rachel Pollock's.

/derail!!

sorry, 80s fiends.

I DID just sign all the classic "brat pack" 80s movies onto my Netflix queue! I was too old and too cool for them when they came out. I look forward to discussing them with y'all

That's quite unusual - a queen just standing there without any trimmin's.
Cool, though.

Nothing against catholic school, since my dad and some of our friends were catholic, and there was a cool neo-medievalist monastery near us (trappists) but, eek! I went to tough, demanding, competitive conform-o public schools in an affluent suburb. It was all abot SATs and college admissions and bringing your classmate's head home on a hockey stick. McYuckity.

I like the Marseilles deck a lot. It was the first one that was distributed among the masses rather than just the aristocracy. I always got a positive reading from it, but it started getting tattered to the point that I knew one card from another from the back. Not so good when you're trying to hear a message other than just what you already know, hope and fear.

The most lovely one I have is the Etteilla deck. But it's got a rather mean spirit. Almost every card is described with a negative meaning. Figures it was Jimmy Page's favorite deck.

Lately I've been using Rider-Waite with an interpretation book from Haindl. And sometimes Barbara Walker's or Rachel Pollock's.

/derail!!

sorry, 80s fiends.

I DID just sign all the classic "brat pack" 80s movies onto my Netflix queue! I was too old and too cool for them when they came out. I look forward to discussing them with y'all

[chachaheels]

That, my dear, is no page. That is a Donna. Specifically, La Donna di Bastone, or Mazze. The Lady of Clubs, from the Sicilian playing card deck. The suit is right--but a page is never the same as a Queen.

I have a similar last name, but my family background is not Sicilian; and though playing cards come from every region in Italy it's only this region's cards which feature a Donna who looks quite a lot like me. Hairstyle especially, but as my mother never fails to point out--the outfit looks a lot like what I would put on in the 80's.

Though I'd never wave a bat around, even after my mother's snark.

And yes, my catholic school blazer was exactly that colour. Once I got to the grade eleven, tuition paying stage: before that, it was plaid. With red lapels.

[wombat]

Most tours have more than one act, I've noticed.

Since you're "forced" to ask:
Someone who looks like me.

Certainly not a catholic school blazer.

Holly -- from odd and quite charming dream about living in museum and holly being protective. I use imagery from my dreams often.

And is that you, the page of wands? What do you intend to indicate with that particular avatar?

[chachaheels]

Yes, but there were many clues and signs that Lukas was the one--if not him, then at least a male lead.
TLee actually did declare that in an article in GQ back at the beginning of the summer, and let's face it, hard rock "tours" don't make as much money as they once did, and it is a masculine (with, yes, a lot of play on gender) aesthetic. I think they were trying to cut the risk of not making money with this venture. After all, their "tour" is in mostly small venues, they don't really have a viable CD yet, and they've had to resort to adding acts onto their tour in order to attract buyers. Even if it does sell out, that's an awful lot more people to pay out from the proceeds than it would have been if only 4 performers and their entourage were to be involved.

These guys said from the start that they were out to do a "rock tour", and it was so clear they wouldn't be able to wrap their minds around the idea of being profitable with a woman leading them (remember the lyric content of their very crappy "originals", specifically the really oinky one Dilana was made to sing? Humiliating!)

Dilana's well out of that ugly situation, that's for sure. She's not my favourite by a long shot, but I think she's far more talented than a room full of strippers dressed like the "babes" from a KISS album cover circa 1975 would warrant.

This "contest" was very problematic, in that you wished that the most capable artists would not win, cause the actual band he'd get stuck with doesn't sound promising.

Oh, yeah, wonder what they'll call themselves now that they've been forced to stop using the name "Supernova". See? Another unforeseen expense that's going to cost $$$ to fix.

And now, I'm forced to ask: is that an actual photo of you, Wombat, wearing what looks like a blazer from a catholic school uniform behind that holly?

[wombat]

Yesss! Chacha! This was going to be the first place I WENT here today. But I got distracted. As usual.

I CANNOT BELIEVE they took Lukas! That dumpy, ugly little runt that *vomits* out songs!

They just want someone stupid and goofy and malleable, like Weiland. Ack!!

I can tell that Newsted was shaking his head violently and Tommy Lee looked really freaking smug - whereas Navarro and Gilby had the *taste* to know that Dilana would have been much better. Gilby -- who seems like kind of a sweetie -- looked stunned and really bummed out.

I hope they do actually do an album with her -- that would rule.

Lukas... ugh.

[chachaheels]

The Jam! I recently saw Paul Weller perform during some televised british awards ceremony, he's greying now and a little more fleshed out than he was in the past, but still handsome and still full of energy.

On another, more frivolous note: Lukas Rossi won and no one is surprised; and everyone's playing on everyone else's record. Now please make the hysteria over this show go away. Please.

[mouni4]

Music in the 80's - mmhhh
One of my first albums was Adam and the Ants (Kings of the wild frontier). That was fun, though nearly no one else listened to it.
Who else was around then and on my record player?
Madness, the Jam, Talking Heads - one of the coolest music-movies I saw on big screen is "Stop making sense"

And Linton Kwesi Jonson: Does somebody know the poems ( for example on his double-live album, the ones only read, without music - great stuff!!)

And let me not forget great african musicians like Fela Kuti - awesome!!!

[chachaheels]

Mme. Butterfly was definitely on Fans. That was a great tune, wasn't it? Made everyone blubber.

And, oh wow, the Communards. LOVED them.

[thepointybird]

BowWowWow...I wonder what happened to that lead singer--she was very, very hyped. Probably the first hypersexualized underaged popstarlet, ever.

She'd be, um, my age now.

Which brought to mind Malcolm McLaren. Does anyone remember his album "Fans"? Where he covered opera arias and added rap to the music, then released them with videos that visually alluded to famous old films?

ChaCha, I remember that Mme Butterfly song he did - was it from that album? It was soooo good!

My fave 80s tunes have to be West End Girls, Small Town Boy by the Communards and of course, the amazing, the awesome.... Total Eclipse of the Heart. Sigh!

[Kalevra]

Linton Kwesi Johnson - Forces of Victory

Sheeesh, I thought I was the only person left alive who digs that still. I have the Reggae Greats one, kinda like an independent greatest hits thing, got a lot of the best tracks
Sonny's Lettah
Street 66
Making History...

GOOD.DUB!

[chachaheels]

BowWowWow...I wonder what happened to that lead singer--she was very, very hyped. Probably the first hypersexualized underaged popstarlet, ever.

She'd be, um, my age now.

Which brought to mind Malcolm McLaren. Does anyone remember his album "Fans"? Where he covered opera arias and added rap to the music, then released them with videos that visually alluded to famous old films?