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girlygirlgag
post Sep 13 2006, 07:31 PM
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I don't know where I should put this, but I am watching this woman on TV. As a survivor, I really want to skewer this woman. I am outraged!!!!!!!!!! She is the victim?


She is killing survivors and the survivor movement.


" I went and picked him and his cousin . and they did what they wanted."


The main problem with that assertation:" She went and picked them up."


FUCK THIS MONSTER

They were 13, she was 24. This was not the first time.

And now they are blaming being Deborah being bi-polar.

Why is she not being treated like a man? Because she is hot.?.?


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yuefie
post Sep 18 2006, 11:35 AM
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Well, as someone who not only began having sex 16, but also got married at 17 I have to agree that no matter how mature you seem for your age, you ARE still a child. And no, I do not have children yet, so that is not the reason why I feel that way now.

What's scary to me is that I was seeminly mature enough to baffle them with my bullshit, making my way through premarital counseling and getting the blessing of of our parents. I put on such an adult act. I didn't feel like I was acting at the time, but hindsight is 20/20. Our motivation for wanting to be married was simply that we didn't want to "burn in hell" for screwing our brains out and felt our only alternative was to get married. We were not really dedicated to eachother, we were not ready to build a life together, we just wanted to be able to have sex without the burden of guilt. We were kids, through and through and you best believe that sham of a marriage didn't work out.

Teenagers are still children. It is still a parents responsibility to teach and protect them. You can't say because someone "seems mature" they are ready to handle all the shit that comes with being sexually active. So, because they "seem mature" means if they end up pregnant (cause let's face it, part of having sex is taking the risk of becoming pregnant. Nothing is 100%) and the father bolts, they are going to be able to handle it? I don't know grown women who can handle these types of situations without it taking a huge emotional toll on them, but they certainly can handle it better than they could have at 16.

I had a friend in school who seemed to have to wisdom and maturity of a grown woman, and was like the mother hen of us all. When she got pregnant by her 20 year old boyfriend at 15, her mature facade crumbled. They got married, suddenly she was thrown in to this life, making adult decisions. She used to call me crying, all she wanted was her mom. She's now a depressed alcoholic who hates her husband and her kids. She feels like she was robbed of her youth. Tell me she was mature enough to be making those decisions. Horseshit.



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girlygirlgag   Debra Lafave.   Sep 13 2006, 07:31 PM
wombat   I watched that show, too, and she was scary, she w...   Sep 14 2006, 11:47 AM
anna k   I hate these women. They are sick predators but do...   Sep 14 2006, 12:05 PM
katiebelle2882   the difference btw these women and men are HUGE. t...   Sep 14 2006, 12:46 PM
pepper   yup, my ex was essentially molested at a pretty yo...   Sep 14 2006, 01:06 PM
butterfly   "not scarred by things like this, if anything...   Sep 14 2006, 01:10 PM
katiebelle2882   sexual assault and agreeing to be involved in a se...   Sep 14 2006, 01:29 PM
pollystyrene   I had heard about the story, and just watched a co...   Sep 14 2006, 01:44 PM
katiebelle2882   yeah it probably is taken too lightly bc men arent...   Sep 14 2006, 01:53 PM
bunnyb   I don't think male sexual assault or rape is t...   Sep 14 2006, 02:05 PM
katiebelle2882   well thats the point bunnyb. its only sexual haras...   Sep 14 2006, 02:10 PM
butterfly   Sorry, Katie, I didn't mean to piss you off. ...   Sep 14 2006, 02:11 PM
bunnyb   oh, I obviously missed the dictionary definition.   Sep 14 2006, 02:13 PM
wombat   Yeah, I'm thinking boys (and girls) want sex, ...   Sep 14 2006, 02:18 PM
bunnyb   word wombat. I was foolish, if not precocious, bu...   Sep 14 2006, 02:24 PM
katiebelle2882   i overreacted butterfly. i am sorry. i do not thin...   Sep 14 2006, 02:28 PM
wombat   ((bunnyb)) of course you weren't at fault. He...   Sep 14 2006, 02:33 PM
katiebelle2882   i agree bunnyb with the even if its partly your fa...   Sep 14 2006, 02:35 PM
butterfly   Thanks Katie, I could feel that kind of panic like...   Sep 14 2006, 02:45 PM
bunnyb   I'm not sure how the receiver felt, I imagine ...   Sep 14 2006, 02:46 PM
girlygirlgag   An adult having sex with a child is an ASSAULT. P ...   Sep 14 2006, 02:59 PM
katiebelle2882   so what if its a 20 year old and a 15 year old? wh...   Sep 14 2006, 03:10 PM
pollystyrene   I'm not sure whose opinion this falls in line ...   Sep 14 2006, 03:38 PM
bunnyb   I get your meaning polly; I think C is the gray ar...   Sep 14 2006, 03:45 PM
katiebelle2882   yeah thats my take on it. i think its all grey. ev...   Sep 14 2006, 03:45 PM
pepper   "one of the effects is that I became sexualiz...   Sep 14 2006, 04:08 PM
katiebelle2882   i began actually having intercourse 8 days after i...   Sep 14 2006, 04:26 PM
pepper   i still think that a fifteen year old able to make...   Sep 14 2006, 04:30 PM
sybarite   I recognise that 14 year olds (for example) may ha...   Sep 14 2006, 04:32 PM
bunnyb   oh glad you've read Oleanna too, syb! The...   Sep 14 2006, 04:40 PM
girlygirlgag   I think it is very inappropriate for a 20 year old...   Sep 14 2006, 05:20 PM
bunnyb   I'm not too informed about the Debra Lafave ca...   Sep 14 2006, 05:25 PM
pepper   i read somewhere years ago that the incidence of c...   Sep 14 2006, 05:27 PM
msp   At the end of the day, how a 14-year-old feels abo...   Sep 15 2006, 08:38 AM
maddy29   i have to say- 100%- no teacher should EVER have a...   Sep 15 2006, 11:33 AM
vesicapisces   i don't like the double standard here. 14 y....   Sep 15 2006, 01:21 PM
mr_falljackets   I'm just going to ask this and ask it sincerel...   Sep 15 2006, 01:39 PM
butterfly   Maddy,Vesica, I agree. I guess I didn't expr...   Sep 15 2006, 01:41 PM
maddy29   mr fj-i think the answer is in vesica's post- ...   Sep 15 2006, 01:54 PM
mr_falljackets   By "nature conspired" I simply mean all ...   Sep 15 2006, 02:01 PM
butterfly   mr fj, I think it's the 'genuinely' bi...   Sep 15 2006, 02:01 PM
vesicapisces   it sure would've been easier if, at the age o...   Sep 15 2006, 02:15 PM
mr_falljackets   Thank you Butterfly. Should I tell FJ or should...   Sep 15 2006, 02:03 PM
maddy29   tee hee-i'm telling fj!!!!...   Sep 15 2006, 02:09 PM
butterfly   How do ya'll think/type so quickly? Yeah, I d...   Sep 15 2006, 02:13 PM
butterfly   Thank you Vesica.   Sep 15 2006, 02:18 PM
maddy29   "so you try to legislate to protect the vulne...   Sep 15 2006, 02:22 PM
butterfly   Thanks Maddy! *spreads the love around!*   Sep 15 2006, 02:33 PM
sybarite   'Society' dictates a lot of things I don...   Sep 15 2006, 02:33 PM
maddy29   ok, so clearly there is confusion around age, but ...   Sep 15 2006, 02:36 PM
mr_falljackets   No. I don't think it's intellectually h...   Sep 15 2006, 02:47 PM
msp   But nonetheless it would horrify me to learn that...   Sep 15 2006, 03:00 PM
butterfly   Yeah, I'm not trying to tell anyone else when ...   Sep 15 2006, 03:00 PM
mr_falljackets   My dispassionate logic here notwithstanding I wo...   Sep 15 2006, 03:06 PM
butterfly   My dispassionate logic here notwithstanding I wou...   Sep 15 2006, 03:09 PM
mr_falljackets   I am nothing if not inconsistent.   Sep 15 2006, 03:13 PM
butterfly   I am nothing if not inconsistent. .....and than...   Sep 15 2006, 03:19 PM
msp   Ah. Well, I guess I'm doing the best I can wit...   Sep 15 2006, 03:38 PM
falljackets   I wasn't trying to say my logic was right or w...   Sep 15 2006, 04:33 PM
maddy29   i gotta say ew to that. actually EWW. if he like...   Sep 15 2006, 08:14 PM
mr_falljackets   No, Maddy, I didn't say that. I was pointin...   Sep 15 2006, 09:17 PM
katiebelle2882   personally, i am finding the older busties insista...   Sep 17 2006, 06:53 PM
vesicapisces   i would like to know however, what about the fact...   Sep 18 2006, 07:34 AM
msp   I think you're making a lot of assumptions abo...   Sep 18 2006, 07:37 AM
katiebelle2882   I would hope that, even as a mother, i could be ob...   Sep 18 2006, 07:40 AM
msp   You really don't believe that with each passin...   Sep 18 2006, 07:42 AM
roseviolet   Well, as another person who lost her virginity at ...   Sep 18 2006, 08:12 AM
mornington   ok, I've been lurking and... I'd say that...   Sep 18 2006, 08:19 AM
katiebelle2882   i wasnt much different btw 16, 17 and 18. now, bet...   Sep 18 2006, 08:44 AM
girlygirlgag   I really don't care if I sound condescending. ...   Sep 18 2006, 08:50 AM
katiebelle2882   well the point is is not everyone is the same.   Sep 18 2006, 09:12 AM
girlygirlgag   well the point is is not everyone is the same. ...   Sep 18 2006, 10:48 AM
sybarite   No, everyone is not the same, but that's preci...   Sep 18 2006, 09:52 AM
pepper   "I would hope that, even as a mother, i could...   Sep 18 2006, 10:27 AM
katiebelle2882   there are people who are 30 who cant handle having...   Sep 18 2006, 10:39 AM
sybarite   There is a difference between supporting and educa...   Sep 18 2006, 10:54 AM
mornington   exactly, syb. I think a lot of kids have sex befor...   Sep 18 2006, 11:33 AM
free_spirit   I don't know grown women who can handle thes...   Sep 18 2006, 09:58 PM
katiebelle2882   thats why abortion is legal. and i would have gott...   Sep 18 2006, 12:25 PM
yuefie   Oh, I see. Abortion is the [i]answer. Go ahead and...   Sep 18 2006, 12:55 PM
greenbean   I just wanna say that I think there is a big diffe...   Sep 18 2006, 01:15 PM
amilita   Also, I want to point out that teenagers' brai...   Sep 18 2006, 01:16 PM
yuefie   Indeed, word to whomever pointed out that teens ha...   Sep 18 2006, 01:23 PM
roseviolet   Katie, it seems clear that you do not believe that...   Sep 18 2006, 03:15 PM
katiebelle2882   thats the thing, i think there should be, bc the m...   Sep 18 2006, 04:00 PM
pepper   abortion ~ "i would have gotten one had i got...   Sep 18 2006, 08:36 PM
katiebelle2882   i got one when i was 19 . dont be so quick to judg...   Sep 18 2006, 08:50 PM
pepper   i do regret it. i can't help that, i have a ch...   Sep 18 2006, 09:45 PM
katiebelle2882   see, exactly, different strokes for different folk...   Sep 19 2006, 07:29 AM
maddy29   Wow, I missed so many interesting posts! Mr...   Sep 19 2006, 10:31 AM
katiebelle2882   well, a few people did say that at 15 no matter wh...   Sep 19 2006, 03:41 PM
sidecar   Abortion isn't nearly as readily available to ...   Sep 19 2006, 03:56 PM
katiebelle2882   oh i know it isnt readily available, but its somet...   Sep 19 2006, 04:03 PM
mornington   the way I understand it, in the uk, although the a...   Sep 19 2006, 04:08 PM
pepper   mmm, didja see the teeny whale tale on House tonig...   Sep 19 2006, 09:44 PM
maddy29   katie-yeah, i don't think you having sex with ...   Sep 20 2006, 08:54 AM
katiebelle2882   the 20 year old ended up being my boyfriend for a ...   Sep 20 2006, 04:00 PM
girlygirlgag   Katie, I think you are taking everything as a pers...   Sep 21 2006, 08:24 AM
maddy29   thanks katie-i hear what you're saying. that...   Sep 21 2006, 12:42 PM
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