[auralpoison]

My father was an avid hunter & we ate everything he killed. He'd bag at least one deer a year (We had major overpopulation problems. I don't know if anybody here has seen what a solid ten point buck can do to a car & it's occupants.) & we'd have 3 varieties of sausage, burger, steak, roasts, etc. There was one yesr he really got into quail. They were ridiculous to eat, but we did because he killed them.

On a weird note, me Da has been dead for six years & there is still a deer head & a set of forelegs in our deep freeze. He scared the hell out of me with it one year when he was still alive. This past fall my mom found it & called me freaking out wondering where it came from. Um, dad killed it, we ate it, he saved it's head. I bet you a cherry Coke it's still there. Blech.

Maybe I didn't go back far enough, but what does everybody think of Ms. Coulter's new bullshit? Isaiah Washington just got VILIFIED in the press for using the word "faggot", but nobody seems to care about old right wing Barbie using it. Is she going to be sent to rehab? I know she tried to clean up by saying she wasn't trying to insult gays because "that's mean". Faggot is inappropriate on all levels.

[lilacwine13]

Freckle, there are programs in some states where hunters can donate unwanted meat to food banks and soup kitchens, which sounds like a win-win for both parties involved, since the hunters are encouraged to bag more game (deer over-population is a huge concern in some areas), and people get much-needed food that's good for them. I didn't come across any programs for donating the food overseas, though.


I have never been hunting, yet I grew up in an area where hunting season was practically an official holiday, have relatives who hunt, and have a lot of respect for people who do hunt and use what they get. Shooting animals in cages or just to brag about it is just cruel, and if you have to shoot a bear in a cage instead of going to, say, Alaska and actually hunting it, then I think that says more about how poor your hunting skills are than anything.

[girltrouble]

well, thanks a whole freaking lot misslady. now i've got tea spit all over my computer. lol.

"that says to me, mmmm! goood eatin'!"

that said i do agree with ginger's last post. caged animal hunting is bullshit as much as saying you need a auto to hunt. and i feel the same way about trophy hunters that don't eat their meat.


...and why does that sound sooooooooo dirty...?

and lady j, a sucking fart out of your ass would be e hasselback's only 20 IQ points.

[missladyj]

sometimes I'll be in my car driving past a forest preserve see a deer and think" Man that would taste so good right about now!"

I feel the same way about geese they are everywhere, why can't I kill one ( not that I have any clue how) and eat it?


Oh and Elizabeth Hasselback can suck a fart out of my ass. What a dumb fuck! Why I'll bet that sucking a fart out of my ass would increase her IQ by at least 20pts.

[ginger_kitty]

hoosierman, I don't think you had to apoligize, we all jump to the wrong conclusions sometimes. I seriously don't have a problem hunting for food. Christ I'm from the Midwest most of my family memebers are/were hunters. I have definately eaten my share of venison over the years. And I even like it, venison summer sausage....mmmmmm...

My only problem was the way whats his name, killed a confined animal. I can't see any sport or thrill in that. It's just cruel to me. My comment was based on the fact that, he went around boasting about killing a bear, blah, blah.....and I think well not really a challenge since it was caged, but I am sure he felt really big and manly about it. I know hunting an actual wild bear in it's own enivorment, would dangerous as hell and uber difficult. Trophy hunters and people that hunt for bragging rights just rub me the wrong way.


Hope that all makes sense.

[katiebelle2882]

back to what GG said, what is interesting about hasslebeck is that she grew up with very liberal parents. so weird how she turned to the dark side.

[girltrouble]

lol... freckle a lot of my friends are stunned to hear how i feel about guns, but my experience is different from theirs. i'm a city slicker now, but i wasn't always. my grandma lived on a farm that raised prize steer for some rich asshole family. part of my childhood was in the country. and i can ride horses with the best of 'em. so i've known a hunter or two, athough i've never hunted myself.

i think most of the people who hunt, dear, eat the deer (sorry could'nt resist the pun). that it's a trophy to boot is kinda like the pic of the huge fish they caught. just because it's head is hanging on a wall doesn't mean they threw the rest away.

i can understand your aversion to hunting, but i grew up partly in a very poor rural part of colorado. my best friend's meat packing plant was his family's means of survival. if there was meat on his table it was from hunting, or in trade for slaughtering others' livestock raised for food. it's hard to down someone when it's litterally about family survival.

my best friend wasn't some meathead jock, quite the opposite. he was premature, never gained his proper weight no matter how old he was, and had a disease that would kill him before he reached 30. he was a sweet, sensitve soul, but the family business was meat packing, and everybody had to help, and the easiest thing for his anemic body was to be the slaugherer. to him it was normal. i saw him work because i am endlessly curious and i thought that i should know how meat gets to my plate. it wasn't pretty, but like hman said, you do gain a measure of respect for your food.

[freckleface2727]

you all have certainly made me think. most especially about my own predjudices about- hunting in general- and I admit that it had never occured to me that there may actually be people like you hoosierman (cool name!) out there at all.
and while I have always understood about the "humanity in relation to certain animal populations getting out of control" (i-e more humane to hunt deer than to let them starve etc), why can we not organize some sort of (this is going to sound Lame but I don't know other words off hand) Bag a Deer/Save a Life sort of thing, where during Season (or whatever it's called) hunters hunt and then the meat is processed and then freeze-dried or something and then shipped to say, Africa or some other 3rd world country or continent where starvation is such a prominant plight?
and the hunters would have to pay x_____ $ to enter it or some other thing to raise cash right along with it.
Imagine if we did this country-wide?

I don't know.. I'm talkin' out my ear here anway, but Thanks hoosierman and gt- I am suprised but o k, but my mind is open just a little bit more today than it had been.
I still don't support it (gunning for Bambi) but my perspective has been enlightened all the same.

[culturehandy]

No need to apologize at all. In fact, the statement I made was "hunting is vile". So I was the one who generalized! No worries.

[hoosierman78]

CH, I think I just took what you & GK said regarding hunting a little too personal, and I apollogize if that was the case. I've just had way too many noses turned up at me when people discover I hunt (usually, right before they chomp into a big cheeseburger or something), and wanted to state that there are those of us that prefer, actually, the meat of wild game vs. farm raised. I probably made a few assumptions I shouldn't have, and apollogize for that as well. There are just so many people whose only exposure to hunting are fuckwits like the guy talked about below, and don't realize that there are people that like wild game to eat. You are obviously (now anyway) not one of them, and I shouldn't have assumed as much.

[culturehandy]

I must expand my views on hunting. I find hunting for sport vile. I understand if you go out and kill morris the moose, then eat him, cool. By all means. I've had moose meat (and it is actually quite tasty). But if you go out and kill a bear, eagle, whatever just for trophy. Fuck off.

Hoosier, I know not all hunters and fucking wacko's! Just the ones similar to that fuckwit who was being discussed below!

[girltrouble]

feh. i'm a pretty radical lefty, but i have no problem with hunting or hunting guns, although i am not a member of the nra. perhaps it's growing up in colorado where my best friend's family business that was a slaughterhouse/meat packing plant. hunting is fine, but you don't need a semi-auto to do it. that's bullshit. and i wouldn't assume anyone is a meat eater either. but i don't think there is hypocracy in eating meat and being against hunting. as i said, hunting doesn't bother me, but if i did, my non-hypocritical reply against hunting would be this simple: it's just not necc'ry. the pain in a slaughter house is can be minimal (unless we are talking about kosher, and i can tell you what happens from start to finish, too. my best friend slaughered animals when i was hanging out with him). you can make the case for "naturalness" but we live in a modern age. if it were about natural, we wouldn't cook the food, either. just sayin'.

that said i disagree with those who are anti horror movie. *shrugs* i love horror movies. for me any movie is an intellectual exercise about societies ideas about the individual. it's something to be decoded, studdied. more so with horror movies. in particular, horror movies are a great means of judging how the larger society views feminism. add to that i have a rather black sense of humor, so more often than not i find them funny. but that's me. i understand why people don't like horror movies, but i find them way more interesting semioticly than most comedies.


i couldn't agree more ms hassleback is an idiot, and ggg- you are spot on about her and why she's on the view. but i find it ironic that she's the token republican.

[hoosierman78]

I understand the reasoning behind it (jealousy, rage, etc), but I can't for the life of me find where in the human mind this type of reasoning could come from. Of course, my father taught me to treat women with respect - both in words and by example, so I suppose that has a lot to do with it.

Just as a side note, I was reading the comments below in regards to hunting. I understand that I am not a regular poster here, nor am I a woman, so I will refrain from completely derailing this thread. I am simply posting this as a defense to the majority of hunters - at least the ones I know and read of. The vast majority of us do not, under any circumstances, advocate the type of killing that the member of Montgomery Gentry did, and find his slap on the wrist pretty pathetic.

Now, my next statement I'm going to preface with this: if you are wholly against the eating of meat, in any way, shape, or form, then what I'm about to say does not apply to you, and I'll just agree to disagree. Ok. Hunting isn't a 'me man, hear me roar' type of activity - not to all of us anyway (and especially not my sisters, since they are not men to begin with). It's more about, even if just for a few days a year, getting back to a time when life didn't move so fast, and everything was much simpler. Hunting is a time to truly get an appreciation for where your food comes from. At one point in time, those chicken fingers, or big mac were living, breathing animals. Hunting your own game brings that fact home very quickly. I rarely think twice when I eat something purchased at a store, but anytime I eat something I have been involved with during the entire process, I can tell you pretty much exactly what happened from start to finish.

I understand that those opposed to hunting have their opinions and reasons for them, and that's fine, I'm not trying to make any converts. I would just like you to think about what I've said, and possibly put a little insight into why the majority of hunters enjoy it so much rather than the jackasses that make the news giving us all a bad name. The life that the deer I hunt lead are much more natural than any beef or chicken you might buy. I especially would like you to think about that if you are a meat eater yourself. Think down deep, and try to see the slight hypocricy for railing against someone that participates in entire process of eating meat, vs. simply picking up those boneless, skinless chicken breasts in the supermarket.

[girlygirlgag]

Husbands kill wives out of jealousy, rage, "Nobody can have you" passion, that only an abuser can muster.

I think E Hassleback is an idiot. I am no Rosie fan, but she shuts E down with a word. EH is a sheltered, priviledged woman, who thinks the entire world should share her values.

Seriously, you got the gig because you are cute and were on Survivor. That is it.

[ginger_kitty]

This kind of crime never makes sense to me. I don't understand why they kill, if you aren't happy why not just leave?

http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/su...S00010000000001

[freckleface2727]

I haven't watched the clip, but I tend to agree w/ you ginger.. she can be annoying, the little I've seen of the show, but rosie is just a downright bitch more times than not.
for the love of Mercy shut that pie-hole/gaping mauw already! flies are getting in!

[ginger_kitty]

I don't watch the view, but on the rare occassion that have caught a clip, I found I strongly disliked Hasselback. So this makes me happy, though I don't really care about the show, I just felt she was a blithering idiot and didn't deserve to be on TV.

http://www.tmz.com/2007/03/02/did-ro-s-ran...beth-over-edge/

[nohope]

Investigative Reporter Seymour Hersh: US Indirectly Funding Al-Qaeda Linked Sunni Groups in Move to Counter Iran

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/28/150251

[culturehandy]

I remember the globe and mail writing an article about the six women for whom Pickton is accused of murdering, and they went into detail about how one father stopped the interview as he didn't like how his daughter was being referred to. The journalist went into the same details, these are women too, then what happens in the nest article discussing it? the first line was about the drug addicted prostitues.

The media needs something to sell, I suppose. Who will read a newspaper if there wasn't something being sensationalized?

[ginger_kitty]

That really irritates me...he got such a tiny slap on the wrist for a fairly savage crime. I just don't see the sport in killing a captive animal. Wow, that really makes him a man......grrrrr......

erinjane, what a great website! That's a really moving and interesting way to bring attention to missing women.

I hear what your saying, culture I hate it women the media strips away all the defining characteristics of a woman and portray them only in a negative way. I have noticed the same thing oftens happens to former criminals if they should happen to get murdered, etc......the head line will read 'ex-felon shot to death' what if that felony was 30 years ago and the person has completey turned thier life around and become a productive member of society? Why undermine there death by pointing out a past mistake?