[roseviolet]

Looks like the old version of this thread was accidentally deleted, so it was suggested that it be revived. Well, here it is!

[auralpoison]

*A long slow clap for Mouse*

I have a lot of regard for science, I do. I lean more towards evidence than religion. I'd rather have concrete proof than not, but religion/the supernatural is something totally different, outside of LOGIC. It's it's own creature, largely of man's own ignorant, delusional history making. BUT. There's no *absolute* on it *not* existing. It makes some people feel better, even if there are those elements that don't address us unless it is a time of extraordinary means. And things crop up over & over again all of the world amongst different belief systems that oddly unify us as an occult species over all.

Even as an atheist, I still have a pseudo XFiles mind in that "I'd like to believe." But I don't. I suppose I'm really an agnostic. Per example, when my gran died over the summer, I hoped she was with *her* Jesus. I couldn't do for her what her faith could, but she went at peace in *her* Jesus' hands. I don't believe in God as so much as I believe that there's something more out there that I can't quantify with my regular senses. And that works for some people.

Yeah, by & large I think that most ancient sacred texts are a lot of really poorly written, poetically interpreted allegory, symbolism, & mythology written by a bunch of misogynists that were two thousand years old when we were even more profoundly ignorant than we are; I cannot deny that many of the same ideals cropped up over the world within thousands years of each other. A few thousand years in the grand scheme of things is a drop in the bucket.

But a lot of it had to do with ignorance of human sexuality. What is the slur, "Don't trust anything that bleeds for five days without dying."

Completely OT, I just wonder. Communism, Marxism, Socialism, etc. all seem to go *against* the nature of man (*Please*, we don't feel equality amongst the peoples.), not the nature of religion. Religion has it's place. But the all mighty dollar prevails. Man is greedy & out for himself. Period. We're animals no matter how much we try to subvert it. We have lizard brains. It's not a fault, it's evolution. The Utopian ideal proffered by those philosophies just seem to be proven again & again as a grand failure in the idea that we all are unified. We're largely not unified even if we think we are.

I've been to Cuba. Those people THRIVE on the blackmarket. That's how they feed themselves. It's all black market. They'd be fucked if they followed Castro's ideals.

While I like the ideals, I am still independently wealthy. I don't be owing anybody anything,

But, I've been drinking, so whatever.