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culturehandy
post Sep 30 2009, 12:01 PM
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I pitched this in the Community Forum and it was well recieved.

This thread is all about the politics and cross cultural and societal views on gender.

I started thinking increasingly about gender when the media frenzy about Caster Semenya emerged. It is my opinion that the only reason people questioned Ms. Semenya's gender is because she appeared to be "masculine". That is, she looked masculine according to the ideas of society at large. Had she had softer, more "feminine" features, questions of her gender would not have come up.

So, what is gender? We know that there is sex, your biological sex, but gender is a social construct.


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jsmith
post Oct 1 2009, 07:56 PM
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I don't think it comes down to nature v. nurture. I don't think anything comes down to that. It's always a combination of the two, not one or the other. I think some behaviors/attributes that are allegedly peculiar to one gender or the other are biologically based. SOME. But I think that most attributes that our society deems "masculine" or "feminine" are simply social constructs with no good basis in reason.
I agree with the poster who suggested we all fit on a continuum ranging from black to white, with gray in between. I know that I've thought about my own attributes, to which gender they allegedly belong, and why I choose to embrace or obliterate these attributes. There are things about me which are distinctly "feminine", and things which are distinctly "masculine" (as defined by society). I don't behave in a certain way simply because society says it's what is appropriate for a woman, or actively try to go against social mores. I do what I'm comfortable with, and to hell with everything else.
If I ever have kids, I'll make sure to raise them without impressing gender stereotypes on them. I think parents who do this are doing the future a great favor.


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culturehandy   A Gender Agenda   Sep 30 2009, 12:01 PM
koffeewitch   I (and I assume many feminists) would agree with y...   Sep 30 2009, 12:32 PM
deschatsrouge   In our culture I think we associate Gender and bio...   Sep 30 2009, 01:43 PM
sybarite   I am really pleased this thread has been started; ...   Oct 1 2009, 05:21 AM
koffeewitch   I am really pleased this thread has been started; ...   Oct 1 2009, 06:48 AM
culturehandy   How much gender is a social contrsuct is something...   Oct 1 2009, 07:00 AM
bob4both   Very interesting thread! I'm mulling all t...   Oct 1 2009, 12:23 PM
koffeewitch   Very interesting thread! I'm mulling all t...   Oct 1 2009, 01:06 PM
mumblestutter   nice thread! this may or may not be totally co...   Oct 1 2009, 09:09 PM
koffeewitch   I love this thread! I've been thinking ab...   Oct 2 2009, 06:29 AM
culturehandy   I thought about the masculine vs feminine, especia...   Oct 2 2009, 07:51 AM
justF   Interesting topic, so even though its my first pos...   Oct 2 2009, 07:37 PM
stargazer   Good thread, CH! :) I'm working with a pr...   Oct 4 2009, 12:07 PM
jsmith   jsmith, you mentioned a continuum of gender. have ...   Oct 4 2009, 01:24 PM
angie_21   In my anthropology classes, I was taught to use th...   Oct 4 2009, 04:14 PM
culturehandy   angie, that's exactly what I'm thinking of...   Oct 4 2009, 04:23 PM
stargazer   If something is biologically not real, but believe...   Oct 4 2009, 05:54 PM
jsmith   from a theoretical perspective, raising a child ...   Oct 4 2009, 07:46 PM
angie_21   I think my parents had a good idea, which instead ...   Oct 4 2009, 08:16 PM
girltrouble   .   Oct 4 2009, 09:26 PM
koffeewitch   Reading through all the new posts, it still seems ...   Oct 5 2009, 08:58 AM
culturehandy   GT, I read your previous post, and it does make se...   Oct 5 2009, 09:27 AM
jsmith   For example, when a person meets a man who is an...   Oct 5 2009, 10:45 AM
angie_21   CH, I'm also pretty interested in that, not ju...   Oct 5 2009, 05:22 PM
stargazer   GT, why did you remove your post?? You made some ...   Oct 5 2009, 07:04 PM
ketto   Well, going along your previous post. I've of...   Oct 6 2009, 08:26 AM
hcbeck   Marilyn Frye: "...when queers go forth in dr...   Oct 6 2009, 10:01 AM
girltrouble   i deleted it, because, well, i've been enjoyin...   Oct 5 2009, 07:50 PM
candycane_girl   Okay, this is off topic but GT, whenever I see a p...   Oct 5 2009, 09:37 PM
koffeewitch   An observation about gender by Phil Donahue: (I...   Oct 6 2009, 06:51 AM
girltrouble   that's an interesting point koffee(so glad eve...   Oct 6 2009, 07:03 AM
culturehandy   GT, that post is magnificent!! I was goin...   Oct 6 2009, 07:05 AM
koffeewitch   I'd like to ask you all a personal question(s)...   Oct 6 2009, 10:33 AM
jsmith   Your post strikes a chord with me, koffeewitch. Wh...   Oct 6 2009, 02:57 PM
angie_21   GT, thanks for laying out those ideas and definiti...   Oct 6 2009, 05:49 PM
stargazer   That's a great quote, ketto. :) koffeewitch,...   Oct 6 2009, 06:52 PM
jsmith   I think some people react to femininsm so strongly...   Oct 6 2009, 07:06 PM
stargazer   Kim France's article about drag and feminism. ...   Oct 6 2009, 08:19 PM
culturehandy   I have never felt bound by being a woman, or when ...   Oct 7 2009, 07:40 AM
koffeewitch   I have never felt bound by being a woman, or when ...   Oct 7 2009, 08:29 AM
koffeewitch   Wow! Thanks to all you who responded to my qu...   Oct 7 2009, 08:14 AM
culturehandy   Being Canadian and all, I didn't see the found...   Oct 7 2009, 08:37 AM
ketto   Being Canadian and all, I didn't see the found...   Oct 7 2009, 09:37 AM
girltrouble   ketto, i love that quote! thank you! beck...   Oct 7 2009, 08:52 AM
koffeewitch   the two basic groups are those that are "pro...   Oct 7 2009, 11:20 AM
koffeewitch   Ahhh, yes. Canada (longing sigh). There are SO MA...   Oct 7 2009, 09:00 AM
culturehandy   Koffee, with something like this, that goes to sho...   Oct 7 2009, 09:25 AM
culturehandy   I found that our teachers engaged all sutdents. ...   Oct 7 2009, 10:00 AM
jsmith   Now what bums me, is I refused to learn so many of...   Oct 7 2009, 10:16 AM
girltrouble   the one that i mentioned that comes across as ever...   Oct 7 2009, 11:38 AM
koffeewitch   GT- That's really intriguing; I like the idea ...   Oct 7 2009, 01:10 PM
angie_21   wow, I can't keep up with everything here...   Oct 8 2009, 09:42 PM
koffeewitch   angie21 - AH, as I've said I think Canada is a...   Oct 16 2009, 10:18 AM
angie_21   angie21 - AH, as I've said I think Canada is a...   Oct 17 2009, 01:19 PM
auralpoison   Injustice at Every Turn is a new report on the dis...   Feb 7 2011, 11:25 PM
anarch   Thanks for linking that, aural. Good to have that ...   Feb 9 2011, 01:40 AM


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