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culturehandy
post Sep 30 2009, 12:01 PM
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I pitched this in the Community Forum and it was well recieved.

This thread is all about the politics and cross cultural and societal views on gender.

I started thinking increasingly about gender when the media frenzy about Caster Semenya emerged. It is my opinion that the only reason people questioned Ms. Semenya's gender is because she appeared to be "masculine". That is, she looked masculine according to the ideas of society at large. Had she had softer, more "feminine" features, questions of her gender would not have come up.

So, what is gender? We know that there is sex, your biological sex, but gender is a social construct.


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jsmith
post Oct 6 2009, 02:57 PM
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Your post strikes a chord with me, koffeewitch. When I was a very little girl (like you, around 5), I was keenly aware of the things you mention, but what really got under my skin was when I would see TV ads for phone sex agencies, ads for pornographic magazines, movies that depicted women as sex objects, etc. These things baffled me. I would ask my parents over and over "Why are they making fun of women?" (yeah, I looked at these things as 'making fun' of women, I wasn't articulate enough to phrase it in a different way). I knew these things cheapened my sex, and it made me furious. I'd sit and try to read the bible when I got a little older, but never got past genesis because the obvious misogyny in it (I now reject Judeo-Christian theology. Well, actually, all theology) made my blood boil.
Eventually I took a closer look at the things you mentioned that angered you, and naturally, I got angry. To this day I'm angry. I can't watch movies where a woman is depicted as a sex object, I can't walk by a magazine stand with porno mags without having my blood pressure spike, I refuse to watch crime shows where they're discussing an instance of rape (I get so unbelievably angry), I bust a vessel when I see ads for GGW and the like, I will jump down someone's throat if they try to tell me a certain behavior is unladylike or they use a slang word for the female genitals as an insult to another person, I'll probably lynch a fundie if s/he tries to justify the oppression of women using the g*****n bible, etc. It's all very distracting.
I deemed myself a feminist as soon as I heard and understood the word, and I would always tell anybody who seemed to want to know, and would take great pride in it. It's funny... one time my mom and I were arguing about some little thing (this was when I was a pre-teen, I think), and I held to my (militantly feminist) stance on the issue, when my mom disgustedly declared "You're a feminist!" to which I replied "You bet your ass I am."


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culturehandy   A Gender Agenda   Sep 30 2009, 12:01 PM
koffeewitch   I (and I assume many feminists) would agree with y...   Sep 30 2009, 12:32 PM
deschatsrouge   In our culture I think we associate Gender and bio...   Sep 30 2009, 01:43 PM
sybarite   I am really pleased this thread has been started; ...   Oct 1 2009, 05:21 AM
koffeewitch   I am really pleased this thread has been started; ...   Oct 1 2009, 06:48 AM
culturehandy   How much gender is a social contrsuct is something...   Oct 1 2009, 07:00 AM
bob4both   Very interesting thread! I'm mulling all t...   Oct 1 2009, 12:23 PM
koffeewitch   Very interesting thread! I'm mulling all t...   Oct 1 2009, 01:06 PM
jsmith   I don't think it comes down to nature v. nurtu...   Oct 1 2009, 07:56 PM
mumblestutter   nice thread! this may or may not be totally co...   Oct 1 2009, 09:09 PM
koffeewitch   I love this thread! I've been thinking ab...   Oct 2 2009, 06:29 AM
culturehandy   I thought about the masculine vs feminine, especia...   Oct 2 2009, 07:51 AM
justF   Interesting topic, so even though its my first pos...   Oct 2 2009, 07:37 PM
stargazer   Good thread, CH! :) I'm working with a pr...   Oct 4 2009, 12:07 PM
jsmith   jsmith, you mentioned a continuum of gender. have ...   Oct 4 2009, 01:24 PM
angie_21   In my anthropology classes, I was taught to use th...   Oct 4 2009, 04:14 PM
culturehandy   angie, that's exactly what I'm thinking of...   Oct 4 2009, 04:23 PM
stargazer   If something is biologically not real, but believe...   Oct 4 2009, 05:54 PM
jsmith   from a theoretical perspective, raising a child ...   Oct 4 2009, 07:46 PM
angie_21   I think my parents had a good idea, which instead ...   Oct 4 2009, 08:16 PM
girltrouble   .   Oct 4 2009, 09:26 PM
koffeewitch   Reading through all the new posts, it still seems ...   Oct 5 2009, 08:58 AM
culturehandy   GT, I read your previous post, and it does make se...   Oct 5 2009, 09:27 AM
jsmith   For example, when a person meets a man who is an...   Oct 5 2009, 10:45 AM
angie_21   CH, I'm also pretty interested in that, not ju...   Oct 5 2009, 05:22 PM
stargazer   GT, why did you remove your post?? You made some ...   Oct 5 2009, 07:04 PM
ketto   Well, going along your previous post. I've of...   Oct 6 2009, 08:26 AM
hcbeck   Marilyn Frye: "...when queers go forth in dr...   Oct 6 2009, 10:01 AM
girltrouble   i deleted it, because, well, i've been enjoyin...   Oct 5 2009, 07:50 PM
candycane_girl   Okay, this is off topic but GT, whenever I see a p...   Oct 5 2009, 09:37 PM
koffeewitch   An observation about gender by Phil Donahue: (I...   Oct 6 2009, 06:51 AM
girltrouble   that's an interesting point koffee(so glad eve...   Oct 6 2009, 07:03 AM
culturehandy   GT, that post is magnificent!! I was goin...   Oct 6 2009, 07:05 AM
koffeewitch   I'd like to ask you all a personal question(s)...   Oct 6 2009, 10:33 AM
angie_21   GT, thanks for laying out those ideas and definiti...   Oct 6 2009, 05:49 PM
stargazer   That's a great quote, ketto. :) koffeewitch,...   Oct 6 2009, 06:52 PM
jsmith   I think some people react to femininsm so strongly...   Oct 6 2009, 07:06 PM
stargazer   Kim France's article about drag and feminism. ...   Oct 6 2009, 08:19 PM
culturehandy   I have never felt bound by being a woman, or when ...   Oct 7 2009, 07:40 AM
koffeewitch   I have never felt bound by being a woman, or when ...   Oct 7 2009, 08:29 AM
koffeewitch   Wow! Thanks to all you who responded to my qu...   Oct 7 2009, 08:14 AM
culturehandy   Being Canadian and all, I didn't see the found...   Oct 7 2009, 08:37 AM
ketto   Being Canadian and all, I didn't see the found...   Oct 7 2009, 09:37 AM
girltrouble   ketto, i love that quote! thank you! beck...   Oct 7 2009, 08:52 AM
koffeewitch   the two basic groups are those that are "pro...   Oct 7 2009, 11:20 AM
koffeewitch   Ahhh, yes. Canada (longing sigh). There are SO MA...   Oct 7 2009, 09:00 AM
culturehandy   Koffee, with something like this, that goes to sho...   Oct 7 2009, 09:25 AM
culturehandy   I found that our teachers engaged all sutdents. ...   Oct 7 2009, 10:00 AM
jsmith   Now what bums me, is I refused to learn so many of...   Oct 7 2009, 10:16 AM
girltrouble   the one that i mentioned that comes across as ever...   Oct 7 2009, 11:38 AM
koffeewitch   GT- That's really intriguing; I like the idea ...   Oct 7 2009, 01:10 PM
angie_21   wow, I can't keep up with everything here...   Oct 8 2009, 09:42 PM
koffeewitch   angie21 - AH, as I've said I think Canada is a...   Oct 16 2009, 10:18 AM
angie_21   angie21 - AH, as I've said I think Canada is a...   Oct 17 2009, 01:19 PM
auralpoison   Injustice at Every Turn is a new report on the dis...   Feb 7 2011, 11:25 PM
anarch   Thanks for linking that, aural. Good to have that ...   Feb 9 2011, 01:40 AM


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