Sep 30 2009, 12:01 PM
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I pitched this in the Community Forum and it was well recieved.
This thread is all about the politics and cross cultural and societal views on gender. I started thinking increasingly about gender when the media frenzy about Caster Semenya emerged. It is my opinion that the only reason people questioned Ms. Semenya's gender is because she appeared to be "masculine". That is, she looked masculine according to the ideas of society at large. Had she had softer, more "feminine" features, questions of her gender would not have come up. So, what is gender? We know that there is sex, your biological sex, but gender is a social construct. -------------------- Hatred does not cease in this world by hating, but by not hating; this is an eternal truth. --- Buddah, The Dhammapada
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Oct 7 2009, 11:38 AM
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the one that i mentioned that comes across as everyone's favorite crazy aunt, i think is actually very sweet, and not very hateful. but no, in the same way that burlesque can be used to comment on feminine/gender rolls, so can drag, and one doesn't need to be an anti to do it. after all one can be attractive and smart, they aren't mutually exclusive. that said, there is a huge emphasis on beauty/sexuality for transwomen. quite honestly i have a ambiguous feeling towards the constant sexualization of t-girls. i know a lot of t-girls hate it, the jerry springer wave years back. my feeling is that is how these things start. this is my theory of the cultural assimilation of a minority other. it is what happens with all minorities. first the repellant alien stage, then it progresses to curiosity, then fetish/sex object, then, when that other becomes visible enough, the other is villified, and cast as villians, tricksters, then neutral, then friends, then as people. the first part of it is never really desirable, but in order for society at large, they need to go thru those steps to feel comfortable with someone that is "different." so while it might not be all that enjoyable to see nothing but sexualized images, if we take a broad view, visibility is raised, and the journey to being viewed by society slowly moves forward. but that is my theory. some people hate it, and i understand why. but my point isn't to say it's good. it's just that those are the steps as i see them. feel free to pick the theory apart. all theories should be tested to see if they hold water.
-------------------- "what a swell farewell party! we said goodbye to everything, including the lining in my stomach." - garvey, from the film, born bad "That's one career all females have in common, whether we like it or not: being a woman. Sooner or later, we've got to work at it, no matter how many other careers we've had or wanted." --margo channing, all about eve |
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culturehandy A Gender Agenda Sep 30 2009, 12:01 PM
koffeewitch I (and I assume many feminists) would agree with y... Sep 30 2009, 12:32 PM
deschatsrouge In our culture I think we associate Gender and bio... Sep 30 2009, 01:43 PM
sybarite I am really pleased this thread has been started; ... Oct 1 2009, 05:21 AM
koffeewitch I am really pleased this thread has been started; ... Oct 1 2009, 06:48 AM
culturehandy How much gender is a social contrsuct is something... Oct 1 2009, 07:00 AM
bob4both Very interesting thread! I'm mulling all t... Oct 1 2009, 12:23 PM
koffeewitch Very interesting thread! I'm mulling all t... Oct 1 2009, 01:06 PM
jsmith I don't think it comes down to nature v. nurtu... Oct 1 2009, 07:56 PM
mumblestutter nice thread! this may or may not be totally co... Oct 1 2009, 09:09 PM
koffeewitch I love this thread! I've been thinking ab... Oct 2 2009, 06:29 AM
culturehandy I thought about the masculine vs feminine, especia... Oct 2 2009, 07:51 AM
justF Interesting topic, so even though its my first pos... Oct 2 2009, 07:37 PM
stargazer Good thread, CH! :)
I'm working with a pr... Oct 4 2009, 12:07 PM
jsmith jsmith, you mentioned a continuum of gender. have ... Oct 4 2009, 01:24 PM
angie_21 In my anthropology classes, I was taught to use th... Oct 4 2009, 04:14 PM
culturehandy angie, that's exactly what I'm thinking of... Oct 4 2009, 04:23 PM
stargazer If something is biologically not real, but believe... Oct 4 2009, 05:54 PM
jsmith
from a theoretical perspective, raising a child ... Oct 4 2009, 07:46 PM
angie_21 I think my parents had a good idea, which instead ... Oct 4 2009, 08:16 PM
girltrouble . Oct 4 2009, 09:26 PM
koffeewitch Reading through all the new posts, it still seems ... Oct 5 2009, 08:58 AM
culturehandy GT, I read your previous post, and it does make se... Oct 5 2009, 09:27 AM
jsmith
For example, when a person meets a man who is an... Oct 5 2009, 10:45 AM
angie_21 CH, I'm also pretty interested in that, not ju... Oct 5 2009, 05:22 PM
stargazer GT, why did you remove your post?? You made some ... Oct 5 2009, 07:04 PM
ketto Well, going along your previous post. I've of... Oct 6 2009, 08:26 AM
hcbeck Marilyn Frye:
"...when queers go forth in dr... Oct 6 2009, 10:01 AM
girltrouble i deleted it, because, well, i've been enjoyin... Oct 5 2009, 07:50 PM
candycane_girl Okay, this is off topic but GT, whenever I see a p... Oct 5 2009, 09:37 PM
koffeewitch An observation about gender by Phil Donahue: (I... Oct 6 2009, 06:51 AM
girltrouble that's an interesting point koffee(so glad eve... Oct 6 2009, 07:03 AM
culturehandy GT, that post is magnificent!!
I was goin... Oct 6 2009, 07:05 AM
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jsmith Your post strikes a chord with me, koffeewitch. Wh... Oct 6 2009, 02:57 PM
angie_21 GT, thanks for laying out those ideas and definiti... Oct 6 2009, 05:49 PM
stargazer That's a great quote, ketto. :)
koffeewitch,... Oct 6 2009, 06:52 PM
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stargazer Kim France's article about drag and feminism. ... Oct 6 2009, 08:19 PM
culturehandy I have never felt bound by being a woman, or when ... Oct 7 2009, 07:40 AM
koffeewitch I have never felt bound by being a woman, or when ... Oct 7 2009, 08:29 AM
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culturehandy Being Canadian and all, I didn't see the found... Oct 7 2009, 08:37 AM
ketto Being Canadian and all, I didn't see the found... Oct 7 2009, 09:37 AM
girltrouble ketto, i love that quote! thank you!
beck... Oct 7 2009, 08:52 AM
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culturehandy I found that our teachers engaged all sutdents.
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