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alwaysonmymind
When I have a yeast infection I eat absolutely no sugar or carbs. It sucks but it helps while treating because yeast thrives on sugar.
midgemcgrath
ugh. me who finally had my yeast under control is now laying in bed unable to sleep, and feeling really itchy (not that i can't sleep because of it, two separate things!)...damn vinegar i've been eating so much off it. i totally fell of the wagon with my yeast-free diet. i've been slathering my food with ketchup, mustard, salad dressing, etc. and now i'm paying for it! arg!!!
kissmypineapple
I just got over a monster yeast infection, but my labia always take so long to heal! I have a vulvar pain issue already, so the infection was a major setback. I'm no longer itchy or burning, but my labia feel parched and kind of itchy, but not in a yeasty way...more of a dry way.

My doctor has put me on premarin (sort of discouraging to need estragen therapy at 22), just topically on the outside, b/c she's hoping that it will plump my labia and make them a little less sensitive, but does anyone have any ideas for how to accelerate or at least help my bodies natural healing process? My boyfriend and I are going on vacation in a week, and I don't want to have to avoid sex.

Chachaheels, you seem really knowledgeable about these things (did you say you are a naturapath, or homeopath before?)...do you have any suggestions?
hellotampon
I'm pretty sure I have thrush. I've been taking Candida Clear pills (they're herbal) and gargling with salt water and oil of oregano for days now and my tongue still looks white. This sucks.
chachaheels
Hellotampon, Oral thrush presents like many other oral ailments--it's always best to have this properly diagnosed. If you're not having a lot of success with oregano oil and you've been using it for a while now, then chances are good there's either a huge maintaining cause for the oral thrush, or what you think is oral thrush isn't oral thrush at all. Please have it checked out. There are alternative treatments for every kind of ailment, so if you see a dentist who gives you a prescription you aren't fully prepared to use, I can help point out some other options.

KMP, I agree that it really does suck to be on premarin or any kind of hormonal therapy at any time. The big trend right now is to seek out practitioners who are knowledgeable about "bioidentical" hormones--that is, hormones that aren't synthesized in a lab but actually come from animal gland sources and are as similar to human hormones (chemically) as possible. The concept's great in theory, and in comparison to using the fake hormones, but once again you're still putting far more of any particular type of hormone into the body than your own body would ever make...so the end result isn't much different from synthetic hormones. Either way, in my humble opinion, sucks. They can't help but devastate your own body's hormonal balance even if it is temporarily for some people. Anyway, I don't want to rant...so here's a few suggestions for what to do to just support your body's attempts to move back towards full health (which works much better if you can get off the premarin ASAP).

Eat a restorative diet which includes fresh, organic if you can get it, REAL food--food that you can prepare yourself or at least know is packed with nutrients. Try to keep it balanced, and give yourself time to prepare and eat your food so you're not just choosing foods "cause they're there, and you're hungry, and you've got no time". High quality meats and fish, real cheeses, real butter and good, pure, high quality expeller or cold pressed oils; eat whole grains instead of processed ones and limit your intake of processed foods all together. Most importantly, take advantage of all the fresh, leafy spring vegetables available right now--things like fresh asparagus, fresh dandelion greens, arugula, baby lettuces, broccoli rabe or rapini--any kind of dark, leafy green veggies. Many of these veggies help to support the liver's own detoxification process, and if you've been using the premarin your liver needs support because it has definitely been overworked. Eat lots of fresh greens, pulses, beans, nuts; and, in moderation, fresh fruit. Eggs are great food too, if you can and do eat them: find a real free range organic source if you like them. One egg contains every nutrient our bodies need (except vitamin C). They're a good source of protein, too.

Rest well--avoid stress-filled situations if you can, avoid people you know can be problematic for you while you are trying to get better; make sure you give yourself plenty of opportunity to sleep and indulge in your favourite recreational activities. If you don't think you're getting all the nutrients you need from your foods, choose a nutritional supplement from a high quality neutraceutical line (in Canada, look for Metagenics, Genestra, PHP, Kirkman, or Allergy Research Org, Biotics research to name a few--in the US, I like Douglas Labs and Biotics) and take your vitamins and minerals (make sure these formulations include trace minerals) every day.

Most importantly for restoring your own hormone balance, don't forget to supplement the diet with high quality fats--omega 3 fatty acids like flax seed oil if you're vegan or vegetarian; high quality, pure fish oils if you're not: omega 6 fatty acids like Oil of Evening Primrose (particularly for the dryness you're experiencing in the vagina, and also because it will help to regulate your whole reproductive cycle and maintain your sexual/emotional health). Another beneficial oil is cocoanut oil: it helps to keep the thyroid gland functioning properly (and that helps, of course, with overall health and hormone balance), and it is also anti-fungal. It tastes very good and it's stable at very high temperatures, which makes it a great cooking oil.

Of course, avoiding foods which create stress for the body should be done, too--refined, sugary foods, soy and corn and anything else you know to be genetically modified...you know the drill. The key is to eat simply, and eat whole, fresh foods which are restorative. You don't need to get drastic, but eating lighter meals, or even smaller meals eaten more often during the day, might help; don't worry about what you "can't" have. Nothing is really off limits except pure junk, like candy bars, fast food that's always overloaded with bad fats and excessively high-caloric dressings, plus "flavourings", and foods you know cause you distress. You can have special foods (like desserts) in moderation, too. Just remember not to overburden yourself food wise--this isn't about making drastic punitive changes to your diet...it's about trying to support your body's own efforts to get well. Too many heavy, rich foods eaten too often will just overburden your digestive organs...that's the opposite of your intentions.

Hope this helps, KMP.

humanist77
I know that acidophillus doesn't work for everyone, but I just have to come in here and rave about my own experience. I've been taking it for awhile now. It works wonders as a preventative measure-if I remember to take it everyday (2-4 pills daily), I do not get any yeast infections at all, month after month-even around my period, which is my most vulnerable time. I can also eat bread and sweets and drink beer freely.

Sometimes if I am lazy and forget for a few days, then I will get a little itchy-but I just have to take acidophillus (about 4-6 pills a day, for a few days straight) and the infection is completely gone. I just got a really bad infection last week because I was lazy and it is gone now, just using this method alone. I am continuously amazed with the results!

Again, I know this doesn't work for everyone, but I have to make a reminder that it takes several days of taking the pill, several times a day to work. Be patient-I know it's hard to do that when you have a yeast infection, but it's much safer, easier, and cheaper than using Monistat or other OTC chemicals. I use a brand called Natrol that I find at walgreens-the cap and label are purple-they usually have a 2 for 1 bottle deal. That is all : )
schoolnight
so i had sex with a girl and now i don't smell the same as i did before. i smell kinda fishy and it gets itchy a bit sometimes but nothing horrendous. just wondering if anyone knows if this means a yeast infection or something else?
ladylolita
Hi, I'm a new girl and have yeast infections every couple months. I'm interested in the tea tree oil/q tip method ... read several ladies loving it, but I can't find where the method was explained. Can someone enlighten me please?
mela
schoolnight. You might have bacterial vaginosis. You should go to the doctor and have them give you some flagyl to clear the infection. Yeast infections usually don't smell (just itch and burn).
tiny_t
I have suffered from thrush for 4 years now. I have spent untold money of products like three-lac,spliantes,creams,diffilun,acidillious ,you name it and still aint cleared it up.I have yet to try boric acid which im just after hearing off since i came to this site so hopefully it wil work.Im not positive that there is any cure for thrush now cause i have it so long.I am so depressed from al of this.Especially now im in a relationship for the last 8 mths,using comdoms of course but he wants me to go on the pill now and even thou i do too how the hell can i.i dont want him to find out or get thrush off me..What are we al gonna do eh!!!!!
tiny_t
can someone tell me where to get my hands on boric acid
catedud
hey all. my doctor suggested taking boric acid suppositories twice a week for two months to prevent getting yeast infections as often as i do but he didn't say anything about not having sex during this....do you think i can?? he told me it would not effect my birth control, so that means he is thinking i will have sex, right??
catedud
hey TINY T, i had boric acid perscribed to me but i am pretty sure you can get in at any health food store!!!
juland
Okay, I have a question similar to one that was already posted, but my situation is a bit different. I was prescribed boric acid (600mg nightly for two weeks) for a recurring yeast infection. Symptoms went away, everything was going great. But on day 5, I started to feel irritated and itchy again. It was occasional and mild, but enough to notice. Today is day 7 and the irritation is still there (and a little worst today to boot). So is this just a side effect of boric acid? Would it be wise to stop using the medicine? I did call my doctor, and a nurse said that the pH was changing, and that was why I felt irritated. Has this happened to anyone else? Did it eventually subside? Thanks in advance for any responses.
penelopiad
catedud: just to be clear (because I'm not sure what you mean by "taking") you don't ingest boric acid capsules orally, you place them high in the vagina (I find using one of those plastic suppository applicators helps, but a finger does too).

They won't affect your birth control, and you can have sex, but it can be kind of messy, honestly. You get quite a bit of discharge from doing this, but I wouldn't say the solution is quite as easy as having sex on a towel or in the shower. You want the boric acid to have time to do its job and having intercourse can change the pH of the vagina. Since you're only using them twice a week, I would maybe wait half a day to a day after each suppository before intercourse, but that is just me.
catedud
thanks penelopaid. i am inserting them in my vagina. i figured i shouldn't have sex the night I insert them or the day after because of the discharge. thanks for your help!
venusindisguise
Gah. I have the beginnings of a yeast infection. I've only had one other before and it was TERRIBLE (right when I was writing finals). I'm pretty sure this one has been brought on by the antibiotics I've been taking for my strep throat.
I'm off to buy some acidophollus pills. I hope that will help.
My question though...and this is super stupid, but I know that I will drink tonight. I usually drink beer, which i know is bad for my crotch right now. Is drinking vodka any better....what if I drink vodka w/ cranberry juice?
(reason for drinking: The Edmonton Oilers are playing tonight). Thanks.
debbie32404
Well, after a year of doctors visits, Diflucan out the wazoo, Monistat, 1,3,5 and 7, Boric Acid, Lotrisone, Diprolene, and a biopsy, all to no avail, only to be told there was nothing left for them to do for me, I got po'd and changed gynos...This one took one long look, did some cultures, and wrote a script for Gynazole. Wonder of wonders, I have been itch and burn free for 3 whole days. I am almost afraid to get excited but the past three days have been awesome. I had never heard of this drug before but it works as far as I can tell. It is a broad spectrum anti fungal. Has anyone else used this and had success of any kind with it? She also said I had Vulvar Vestibulitis and gave me some ideas on how to cope with that.
Anyway, just thought I would pass the word about Gynazole.
cinamun
I have been using boric acid suppositories for candida infection for about 2 months (on and off). Two weeks ago, after using the suppositories for 3 to 4 days, I experienced irregular light bleeding (did not have to use a pantyliner) for a week. I have secondary amennorhea (missed periods), so it could not have been my period. I stopped for about a week and a half. Three days ago, I started using the boric acid again. I just started lightly bleeding again today. Could this be a side effect of using boric acid? Why is it making me bleed? Has anyone experienced the same thing?
juland
cinamun -
That is such a coincidence, because I have been taking boric acid for about two weeks, and have experienced bleeding as well. Mine comes after intercourse usually. The doctor said I have a friable cervix, maybe due to having a chronic yeast infection. I wonder if the boric acid is irritating to some people, causing the cervix to become irritated and to begin bleeding? I'm not totally sure.
cinamun
juland-
I have heard that boric acid may be irritating to some, but when I had a severe yeast infection it was irritating around the opening of my vagina and not so much of the inside. The brand I used was Yeast Arrest. It was very sandy/grainy-like texture, so I think that was the reason it irritated me a bit. I wonder if that could be the reason I am bleeding-maybe there is some sort of friction going on when I use those pills and causing the cervix to bleed??? I've also experienced some slight lower back pain and cramping when I'm on it-during the bleeding. I am going to stop using the boric acid because I am afraid it may lead to something worse or it's causing cuts inside and I wouldn't want it to seep into my bloodstream, after all, it is toxic...
billygoat
Ladies,

I posted this on the BV thread, but I thought I'd share here too. I struggled with Yeasties and BV for YEARS! Miserable woman I was. But I've been about 4 months without one and I'm happily back on track in the bedroom with hubby.

I was diagnosed as having some pretty bad food allergies. Things I'm allergic to: gluten (a protein in wheat, barley, rye); dairy; sulphites. This has been a drastic change in my diet. No wheat, barley, or rye bread, pastas, cakes, cookies, etc. I only eat carbs made of rice flour now. (I shop a LOT at Whole Foods!) No dairy, which includes milk, butter, creamer, cheese, etc. I use lots of olive oil on breads now. No sulphites, which includes most packaged foods and wine. Out of all of this, I think I miss my red wine the most. So now I drink Amaretto and pretty expensive potato vodka.

I realize some of you may not want to make such a drastic change in your diet. But then again, some of you may be at your wit's end like I was. All I can say is that I tried an elimination diet and I've been Yeastie-free for months now. It may be worth the shot to see how you feel after a month or so. I eat tons of lean meat, fresh and steamed veggies, artisan rice breads, and rice flour desserts (try Pamela's products!). There are alternatives out there to make yourself healthier.

Just remember - you are what you eat! ;-)

B
humanist77
Thanks Billygoat!

Someone posted a great recipe for a douche awhile back, it had tea tree oil, acidophilus, and aloe in it. I wrote it down and lost the paper-does anyone know what the measurements were, or have one similar to it? Thanks for any information!
chachaheels
I apologize in advance for what happens to be a really really long post on Boric Acid and exactly what boric acid does in the body:

Historically: Boric acid has been largely used as an anti-septic dressing for wounds, as a lotion for the eyes and for whitlow (an inflammation around the toe or finger, usually deeply inflamed and supporative). It is much less irritating than carbolic acid, but it also has produced skin eruptions.

Edema (swelling) is an effect of boric acid.

In homeopathic provings (this is the empirical and clinical data collected by homeopaths about the medicine, which gives you an idea about what homeopaths might treat with boric acid, if the remedy fits the patient properly), boric acid has an effect on the skin which causes exfoliative dermatitis (so it might be used to treat poison ivy, eczema, skin symptoms involving sensitivity and peeling). Pain in region of ureters, with a frequent urging to urinate (it might be a good remedy for someone's bladder infection or cystitis), and as an anti-septic disinfectant (so it could be used to help heal wounds, say, from trauma or post surgery).

It stops fermentation and putrefaction on contact (which is why, naturopathically, it is so often used to treat yeasty discharges and the itching, burning symptoms people experience with them).

Homeopathically it could be used to treat fermentation and putrefaction anywhere that it occurs in the body. It isn't one of the most often employed remedies for "yeasty" discharges--there are many others more suitable and more effective than potentized boric acid; but you can't prescribe homeopathically for any chronic conditions without getting a lot more information than what's presented here. You can, however, use it naturopathically for a lot of yeast cases because prescribing that way is a lot less demanding--you can give medicine A for disease A, in most cases, and get predictable if limited results. It will relieve your local symptoms, and it may actually help your body to overcome the disease systemically, but it isn't likely to completely cure your yeast infection on its own. It is, however, a superior approach to using the prescription and over the counter anti-biotic drugs currently prescribed conventionally.

Homeopathic provings also include (if the medical documents were available at the time) "poisoning" reports--records kept by hospitals of what would happen to people who were somehow exposed to too much of any given substance. Here are some poisoning reports for Boric Acid:

Poisonings and provings with Boric Acid have caused: headache; vertigo; noises in the ears; prostration; cold saliva; vomiting of tough, greenish "stuff"; uncontrollable vomiting; hiccough; pasty stool; pain in the region of ureters or increased urine and increased call to urinate; albuminuria, erythematous eruption on face, body, and thighs followed by "pearly" vesicles on face and neck.

Three cases of poisoning have been reported from packing the vagina with the dry acid, kept in by tampons until liquefaction took place. Symptoms were:

Formication of hands and feet, later of face. Sad spirits, great nervous depression. Burning skin, it became swollen and charred and all motions were painful. One case went into collapse, temperature subnormmal, sighing and weeping by turns. The patients were cold, vagina felt "cold as if packed with ice". Coldness is a prominent feature, as cold saliva.

SO: if you've experienced any of these above symptoms while using the boric acid, then you can safely make the cause and effect connection there. Stop using the boric acid as you are, as we say, "proving" it.

My source for this information is clinical data gathered over a hundred years ago , when medicines were used in massive doses (much like the way the three "poisoning" cases using boric acid in the vagina, described above, indicate). In modern conventional medicine, things have calmed down somewhat (so the amounts and doses of something like boric acid would be much, much less than was used in the records above). Still, these bits of information are really useful to us because we can see exactly how the substance effects the body on every level, particularly from too much exposure to the substance. What's "too much?" Well, the "poisonings" reflect what individuals experienced from exposure--what is a lot to some is very little to others, it's very subjective. The point is, the substance has these specific effects on the human body--perhaps not everyone gets all the effects, but these effects can and do occur in the body as a result of the substance.

Naturopathically, Boric acid suppositories should be used on a short term basis only, and the amount used should be precisely measured (specific dose suppositories used for a limited amount of time, usually about 2 weeks). If they have a curative effect, great--you won't need to use them again. If they don't, they shouldn't be used again either. There is no point in using a substance that is having no effect--it's never wise to just continue or increase the use of the suppositories hoping they'll "kick in" soon. Even if the suppositories do relieve the symptoms in the vagina, yeast has to be treated systemically and holistically in order to be cured--all the boric acid stuff does is get you out of discomfort from some of the yeast symptoms.

That being said, when I look at the above proving and clinical information about boric acid, bleeding isn't listed among the symptoms associated with "too much boric acid". I think there are a few reported cases where the medical books I'm using as a source here refer to its use in "menopausal flushings"...extremely thick mucus (this is unfortunately not specified in my books, the term is an historical one and I'm basing my understanding of it on what is considered "typical" phenomena that might become symptomatology during menopause). But bleeding doesn't appear to be one of the symptoms this substance causes.

So...in these cases where people are experiencing bleeding, it's very possible that what appears to be a yeast infection is not just yeast (that's why a physical exam to rule out other ailments is very necessary before starting any treatment). It's also very possible that the presenting symptoms will not respond to the current treatment and that whatever is going on involves the symptoms of bleeding as well (it could be weakened tissues, it could be cervical bleeding, it could be that the yeast infection goes beyond typical symptoms and is actually causing tissue damage, which it does do for some people). The bleeding could also, in some cases, turn out to be a sign that the body is actually moving toward the direction of cure--and that would depend on your past health history and other symptoms you've had before. There is no way to tell on your own and without working with a health care practitioner, and if you're using more than one drug (for anything...not just yeast) along with the boric acid, there's no way for you to tell what's affecting what. The best thing to do is to stop using ALL treatments for yeast and make renewed efforts to see what actually takes place as a result--so that symptoms can present clearly. You really need to keep track of what happens and you should talk to a doctor/naturopath/homeopath/herbalist/whoever you are working with to treat your conditions about what you're experiencing as well.


koala
Has anyone used AZO to prevent or treat the beasties?
littleidiot
Yes, I use Azo Yeast. I have had less problems with recurring infections since I started taking one a day (I also take acidophilus daily) and if I get an infection, I take 3 a day (although I don't know that they really do much good for getting rid of an infection once you have one).

I have a question too... I just finished treated a beasty with a Monistat 3-day deal... how long should I wait to have sex? I used the last suppository on Thursday night. Is a couple days enough? Or should I wait like a week?
bella_coola
Hey all, I'm new to Bust. But I am not new to yi's.. has anyone in here heard of a condition called 'Candidiasis'? It's an overgrowth of Candida Albicans, which are the micro-organisms that cause yeast infections. Modern medicine is fairly adament that it only occurs in people with compromised immune systems, but the realm of holistic medicine begs to differ. All I know is that when I started following the eating plan and taking the supplements that my naturopath gave me, I saw a whole world of difference in the way I feel - far beyond ridding myself of the ugly yeast monster that dwells in the nether-regions. There's loads of books and other resources out there, with solutions quite similar to chachaheels' post from April 29th. Eating lots of garlic definetly, definetly helps - kills off the candida albicans but leaves the beneficial bacteria (such as acidophilus) alone. Anyway - not sure if the thread goes further back than I can see, hope I'm not giving you a bunch of 'same old' information. Best of luck to y'all!
midgemcgrath
just when i thought i had the yeast under control, it has been so hot and humid and sweaty, that even changing my undies 3 times a day, it is just too moist down there, and the yeast is having a party! and yes, they're cotton undies, but at this point, it's not making any difference! arg.
sukouyant
I've found Black Walnut extract, a few (like, 10-15) drops in water, keeps the yeasties under manners. Whenever I feel the hint of a tingle I have some of that, and I start eating some garlic. The tingle reminds me that my insides need cleaning- which is what the Black Walnut is good for. It's a very effective antifungal and antibacterial extract. It also creates an acidic environment in the body.
chachaheels
Black Walnut is also used as a vermifuge--it's an anti-parasitic herbal (and candida is definitely a parasite). It works best if used sparingly.

Other beneficial over the counter treatments:

1. Shave/wax/whatever you have to do all the hair off the pubic area--especially if you're in hot, humid places where the weather and your body heat will conspire to aggravate your condition.

2. Everyone talks about applying tea tree oil topically to control the fungal overgrowth--but the truth is you can use other essential oils to treat the skin around the vagina more gently (and still address the fungal overgrowth). Lavender essential oil is very pleasant to use (never stings or burns the skin as tea tree oil can) and yet it has very effective active ingredients which can help keep things in check. It's especially soothing used in a bath with sea salt, too.

3. Oregano oil, taken internally, is a good anti-fungal treatment too. Don't apply it topically, as it really does irritate the skin. Two or three drops, under the tongue, daily, will help you eliminate the yeast overgrowth from the inside out.

Carvacrol's the active ingredient in the oregano oil, but the fact is other essential oils have just as much of this active ingredient but don't present the same irritation (thyme oil, for example).
midgemcgrath
...um, candida is a fungus though, not a parasite...

i'll have to look into all these oils and whatnot, but there's no way any shaving/waxing is going on. just not my style, and not into the itchiness...it's not usually a hot and humid place where i live, we're just having some record breaking weather!
tatina
Hope I am not repeating myself, didn't check the entire thread. What has cured yeast infections my entire life is:
a) a raw piece of garlic in the vagina over night (make sure that you peel carefully and do not cut into the garlic - this would be too much for your pussy). Repeat this for three nights. Garlic is an excellent disinfectant and it will not irritate your vagina.
b) organic yoghurt or acidopholus pills in the vagina to support a healthy environment.
c) emotionally most yeast infections are connected with sex that did not feel 100% good - your body is basically fighting against sperm - avoid any careless or unemotional sex!
Do not use teatree oil for yeast infections - it's way too heavy and can kill off "good" bacterias you will need!
If you don't have a yeast infection but trichos, you can still heal this condition with alot of patience and Chinese herbs without going on heavy pharmaceuticals. It will take more time and patience. But the treatment is an entirely different one - make sure that you don't mix the conditions up, LOVE, Tatina
tatina
PS: With heavy pharmaceuticals I mean Flagyl, which can cause heavy side effects and is still prescribed by some doctors without informing you about the dangers. Most vaginal infections, including Trichomoniasis can be cured with herbal remedies. Educate yourself, do not accept any prescription without checking what you are taking. Most of all, listen to your body. Often the right mantra for all kinds of vaginal infections is: "Not tonight, Darling. And not tomorrow." I feel that many women are so eager to get back into sex without really listening to what their pussy needs - which is most of the time a break and rest. Any vaginal infection is a message...
humanist77
Thanks everyone for the tips!

Has anyone ever tried Firefly? From the makers of Nude lube-it's expensive, but worth it if I can avoid getting an infection everytime. Not to mention that it doesn't need reapplication every 5 minutes. Although it is oil based so of course it's not to be used with condoms. I'm ordering some!
humanist77
oh wait-it is latex compatible~
chachaheels
Well, actually midgemcgrath, not all fungi act as parasites. Candida albicans, howevever, (the fungus you talk about when you talk about yeast infections), actually does act as a parasite in the body.

Hence the effectiveness, in advanced cases of candida albicans, of medications that eliminate parasites, such as the black walnut.

Shaving the hair off simply eliminates the creation and maintenance of optimum conditions for candida overgrowth. If you remove the hair that actually insulates the vagina, the area is much more apt to stay cool and dry--which means candida is far less likely to thrive. And you're less likely to itch uncomfortably from its overgrowth as a result.

The emotional reasons for susceptibility to candida are legion. Lots of people have sex with no strings attached and never suffer from candida--if this is exactly what they want. However, if they feel they are "used" in a relationship, or that they can't trust their partner, or that there is some unaddressed unfairness or sense that they are never fulfilled by a partner who seems uninterested in their needs...for example...they could become susceptible. These are just a few examples of emotional issues that create susceptibility to illness--they are by no means a full illustration.
neverending
Has any of you tried Caprylic Acid?
chachaheels
It's usually part of a protocol known as "Yeast Busters". You do a daily routine of psyllium, bentonite clay, and caprylic acid doses for a series of months while altering your diet drastically.

It's pricey and (from what I've seen) rarely effective, simply because compliance is very hard to maintain for most people. Years ago I went on this regime for about 6 months (that was as much as I could stand) and saw no results, even though I really did stick to the protocol.

Lately, I've seen caprylic acid added to capsules used to kill off fungus, taken internally (usually mixed with other anti-fungals, such as Pao D'Arco, grapefruit seed extract, chlorella, what have you). I suspect many will respond to it, but it must be accompanied with dietary restriction and daily dosing schedules. If it gets very complicated and it takes a long time to see results, people simply stop following the treatment protocol and it fails to work.
midgemcgrath
Tatina--maybe this is what you meant, but Flagyl is not prescribed for yeast infections, as it is an antibiotic, not an antifungal medication. Flagyl can be prescribed for trichomoniasis and BV, but wouldn't do anything for yeast, except probably kill off the good bacteria and make a yeast infection worse!

And I just feel like I should clear this up for others who might be taking Chachaheels' opinions as fact:

Candida albicans, ie. yeast infections, although they may behave "parasitically" (ie. in the sense of the verb, exploiting resources in your body), are not in fact parasites (as in the noun--true parasites are small, non-fungal organisms). Candida is a fungus, and is therefore treated as such, with antifungal medications such as Diflucan (really strong...and toxic...unfortunately I took some before I knew better!)

And if you don't trust my word, be assured I double checked this info with my mother (who worked in public health and as a lactation consultant), and my father (a microbiology professor), so I've got my info straight!

If you have serious self control, the best remedy for yeast infections (vaginal and systemic) that won't go away is actually to stop introducing yeast into your system. A lot of people can have good results just cutting off the yeast's food supply (ie. sugars), but when that is not enough, you can instead cut out all yeast and fermented foods from your diet (including alcohol, vinegar, soya sauce, coffee, etc.), and actually keep eating sugar and carbs, and have very effective results! But you have to be REALLY strict, or else all your hard work will be in vain! I had constant yeast infections for years until I cut yeast out of my diet, and now unless I cheat and eat vinegar, etc. I am basically yeast free, and I can totally feel it come back with just a bit of cheating on the diet, so I know it's actually what is working.

Ok, that's it for now!
chachaheels
Well, Midge, as I said before, candida albicans can become parasitic. ALL funghi have a quality of interdependency with a "host" that can be seen as parasitic (particularly by scientists who focus all their attention on mycorrhizal funghi); candida is no exception. That host/funghi relationship is usually commensal, but if, as often happens with yeast, the fungus really overgrows, it's actually detrimental to the host because and it becomes downright parasitical. To top things off, the increasing, debilitating presence of candida can make the host susceptible to the existence of other parasites in the body, particularly if the overgrowth has been long-standing, and widespread. Remember, yeast can act exactly like mycorrhizal funghi--it thrives off nutrients like sugar, taken directly from the host's own system...and then it becomes opportunistic, overpopulating the microflora in the body until more and more yeast organisms draw nutrients from the host's body. The host then is forced to supply more nutriets, which are again directed to the overgrowing funghi, which creates even greater demand for nutrients that ought to be used by the host (but cannot be used by the host).

That sounds quite parasitical to me.

Again, there ARE many, many formulations used by qualified nutritionists, homeopaths, naturopaths, and medical doctors who have trained themselves in integrative medical care to cure candida overgrowths (particularly when they have become systemic), and all of these contain anti-parastic ingredients which cause die-off of candida and other (if they are present) parasites. Such as Black Walnut--a traditionally used anti-parasitical.

I have a few minutes' worth of conventional and alternative medical training, a coupla seconds' worth of teaching experience, and an occasional afternoon's worth of private practice experience as well. There are also a number of fleeting moments I spend working with and consulting with MDs too.

I might be offering up a little more than just "opinion". Make use of it if you like...add it to your own research, if it opens up possibilities you are not quite ready to explore just yet. Maybe it might help someone who's been suffering a long time...that would be nice, wouldn't it?
midgemcgrath
I don't think you really understand the differentiation I'm trying to point out though...

Candida might be an opportunistic fungus, and behave "parasitically", but it is not an actual "parasite". Parasites are little tiny orgnisms with little digestive and cirulatory systems. Fungi on the other hand, (like yeast) are networks of cells, lacking any organs.

That's not to say that the treatments you're suggesting might not be effective, just biologically speaking, what you were saying wasn't totally accurate.

Just because you don't agree with this information doesn't make it wrong, and please try and remember, you are not the only one here who is trying to provide helpful information to the other busties.
chachaheels
Okay, then, midge, if you don't think I "understand the differentiation..."

Bottom line: don't rule out the traditional anti-parasite herbs and vermifuges. They can and do work wonders to eliminate candida albicans, as sukoyant has experienced.

humanist77
Since I can't seem to find specific posts from searching for this in the search feature, I have to ask, even though I know it's been discussed~my doctor prescribed Diflucan to me, and I'm curious how it has affected people who have used it. I have not filled the prescription because I don't know if I want to spend the money yet to find out that it doesn't do shit. Any information would be much appreciated. Thanks!
midgemcgrath
I took Diflucan MANY times back in the bad old days...It is definately nasty stuff, it always made me feel really ill for about 4-5 days. And without fail, the yeast would return within a few months, with a vengeance. You have to be careful with that stuff, it is really hard on your liver, of course nobody told me this when I was taking it. Eventually, it was a nice woman pharmacist who enlightened me that I might not be taking the right approach, and boy was she right! After much more battling the yeast, and eventually seeing an allergist who instructed me to go on a yeast free diet (ie. no yeast or other fermented foods like vinegar and alcohol), I finally kicked the yeast problem after years of suffering with it. Of course, I have to stay on this diet, cause I cheat and if I eat too much vinegar, I can literally feel it come back within a day...but if you have a lot of self-control and don't mind switching to naturally leavened bread and lemon juice instead of vinegar, I would definately recommend these kinds of dietary changes instead of the nasty Diflucan. On the other hand, if you need a quick fix and don't mind feeling shitty for a couple days, the Diflucan will kill the yeast off...but since you're not actually changing anything in your body, you can bet it will come back sooner than later!

Hope that helps!
humanist77
That certainly does help, midge-I'm very hesitant to take these drugs without knowing the side effects. I'm beginning to think that it might be a good idea for me to go on a yeast free diet. But I LOVE vinegar and enjoy my pear cidar beer too much..this sucks. The idea of being infection free though is definitely worth it. Thanks for the info!
humanist77
Bacterial warfare going on inside me tonight-I mixed up about 2 Tbsp of aloe, 2 Tbsp of plain yogurt, several drops of tea tree oil and lavender, some garlic juice and the powder of one acidophilus pill, injected it all up there and smeared the rest externally. I used a panty liner to collect any runoff, and then let it all sit for a half hour or so, then gave it all a good rinse in the shower, and dried myself with a blow dryer on cool. So far so good. It seems like a lot to do, but if you have all the ingredients and something to inject the stuff with, I think it's a good remedy. Basically it's almost every yeast-fighting ingredient I could get my hand on, all mixed together.
midgemcgrath
incase this makes it any easier, once you get the initial overgrowth taken care of, you can cheat on the diet...each person is different and can handle different amounts. i can have a bit of ketchup or vinegary salad dressing every few days without upsetting the balance. it is pretty easy to tell when it's too much. if you could make it through about 4-6 weeks to clear things out, then you might feel a lot better, and still be able to treat yourself to some of your vices!

whatever you decide, good luck! (and if you decide to do the diet and need any ideas for food substitutions, just say the word...)
chachaheels
How did it go, humanist? Did it help?
humanist77
It did for a couple days. I haven't been able to do it again because I haven't been home since that night, and I think it might take more than one treatment-but I will definitely try it again. As midge said, I might need to take care of the 'initial overgrowth'.
chachaheels
I'm sorry if you've already posted this before and I've missed it, but do you have any idea when the current yeast infection started...or what might have brought it on? It always helps to know "when it all started" and consider what could have started it when you want to find the best treatment.
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